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There's a draft of this article

There is a less complete draft of this article in draftspace at Draft:Nintendo Switch 2. If someone could merge any non-overlapping content into this article and BLAR that'd be awesome. Toadspike 14:28, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Should this article even exist right now?

I think we might need a more formal discussion on this, but I think this article makes more sense as a draft for now than a fullblown article. TotallynotWario (talk) 14:55, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

It's far too soon given the lack of technical details. Even what's being reported in the press now reads as highly speculative and guessing at things. It should stay a redirect until April 2 or if Nintendo releases more concrete details on the unit before then Masem (t) 14:59, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

In the most technical sense, I believe its probably WP:TOOSOON, but I also believe its going to be next to impossible to enforce or get a consensus on that now that its officially announced, so I'm working on maintaining it rather than eliminating it. Sergecross73 msg me 15:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Although there is virtually no official information available yet, I don't see it as a major problem either when we already have a main article. All the background information, rumors, and reactions, even if some of them may not be worth mentioning, make the content long enough to kinda justify an own article. Maxeto0910 (talk) 16:07, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

For now I guess it would make sense to have an article just for the Switch 2, but it shouldn't have a bunch of speculation and rumours. Maybe the article could mention everything in the trailer and everything officially stated by Nintendo so far? After the Nintendo Direct on April 2nd we could add more details. It just doesn't make sense to have an article this big so early. Connor7184 (talk) 19:08, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

In a general sense, rumors and speculation are acceptable to have in there, if they're verified by a reliable sources and shown with proper context (ie making it clear they're a rumor.) That said, the article does need clean up and reworking, its just a bit hard at the moment because there are so many people making so many edits. It'll be easier down the line when things calm down and stabilize more. Sergecross73 msg me 19:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Denouncing obviously false rumors

I think this article needs to make early rumors, like the dual screen rumor, that are mentioned, obviously debunked. The final Switch 2 has a single screen like the original. Maddox121 ForgotHisPassword (talk) 15:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

It never states them as fact, it only mentions them as rumors to begin with. Though yes, some of this sort of junk can just be trimmed out altogether. Sergecross73 msg me 15:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Adding an Announcement/Reveal Section

Add a announcement section within or standalone; similar to the spanish version of this article (and others), I think it's not amazing that the reveal trailer itself is not given a distinction in the history section and is not even in the hardware section, furthermore it would separate leaks from the official announcements cleanly.

as its a big change i'd thought i'd ask here first Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 16:23, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

WP tries to avoid significant coverage of announcements themselves, even usually downplaying the date. Once all is said and done the announcement aspects are typically of trivial importance. — Masem (t) 16:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

It was more as a way to differentiate between rumours and official news, but I'll wait until there is more to seperate Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 16:36, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Future cleanup thoughts

It'll likely be impossible to do much in these first days, with the insane traffic and passerby edits happening, but eventually, we'll need to overhaul the article. There's a lot of overlap between sections and even repeated points in the same sections at time. Sergecross73 msg me 17:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Once the hardware specs are out, that whole section will need to be flushed and rewritten.
There are some points in the history section that can be cleaned up and less proseliney — Masem (t) 18:06, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Agreed. I've tried some, but I can't spend much more than 20-30 seconds on an edit or a get bombarded with edit conflicts, so I figured I'd just start an area to discuss future plans when things settle down a bit. Sergecross73 msg me 18:30, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

not worth going through getting semi-extended i take it? Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 19:35, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

No, not yet. There's a lot of edits, and some are misguided...but they seem to largely be in good-faith. There's hasn't been much in the way of vandalism that I've noticed. Sergecross73 msg me 20:14, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

I was originally hoping we could keep this as a draft, but I doubt that will happen at this point, but we can work on improving it between now and the direct. TotallynotWario (talk) 04:53, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

"An update from Nintendo" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect An update from Nintendo has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 16 § An update from Nintendo until a consensus is reached. Rusalkii (talk) 19:27, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Game console generations

Nintendo Switch 2, like PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S, is a ninth-generation gaming console! --Peter20040319 (talk) 11:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

What source do you have that lists the Switch 2 as a ninth generation console? Masem (t) 12:26, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Wii U was a failed product, so Nintendo Switch is an eighth-generation game console like PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. --Peter20040319 (talk) 12:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

That's not a source. Sergecross73 msg me 12:45, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Why is the Switch 8th generation and not 9th? Nintendo’s timing for console releases is now out of sync with the other guys. QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Because we have reliable sources that placed it in the 8th, not the 9th. Masem (t) 15:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

The way I recall it, you initially had no sources and only reached the decision you did via consensus, which was then referred to by external media, which you then recursively used as your sources to retroactively back up that consensus. Let's not jump the gun this time. I'd personally posit Switch 2 as the first Gen10 console (similar to Switch being the first Gen9, which later bore true as the majority of its lifespan has now been spent competing against PS5/X|S rather than PS4/Xbone), but I'll at least agree to not declare a generation at all for the time being, rather than end up forming original research out of a vote again.VinLAURiA (talk) 07:46, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

That linked discussion only happened after about a year and enough sources to be able to say that many sources placed the Switch in the 8th generation. So no, that was not original research in that consensus discussion. Masem (t) 14:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Per WP:V, we need a reliable sources that directly calls Switch 2 9th gen. Without that, it can't even be considered for the article. Sergecross73 msg me 12:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I hope the Nintendo Switch 2 is placed in the 10th generation. Idrawrobots (talk) 07:31, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Please don't compare power as if that determines a generation. Criseid (talk) 17:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Nintendo’s game consoles focus on gaming fun rather than performance. The performance of Nintendo Switch 2 is similar to that of PlayStation 4 Pro, and should not be as good as PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X/S! --Peter20040319 (talk) 13:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

We're not asking for your explanation, we're asking for sources that directly verify 9th gen. Like we need something like an IGN source that very literally says "Switch 2 is 9th generation." Sergecross73 msg me 13:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I hope the administrators of Misplaced Pages are not people with high-functioning autism or Asperger's syndrome who maliciously block other people's well-intentioned edits... --Peter20040319 (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I would suggest that you stop your personal attacks as you did here, here, here, and above. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

No, the admin are people who are explaining the very basics of the website's policy to you. What you're describing is original research, and not allowed. You need to be writing according to what sources say, not your own personal analysis. Sergecross73 msg me 13:54, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with both User:Masem & User:Sergecross73 that there is no clear source to suggest that NS2 is 9th gen (or any other gen for that matter). Having said that, I think the way things are going the console generations are no longer relevant to begin with. I rarely ever see generations mentioned anymore in the gaming and tech press. Not many sources today speak of the PS5 and XSXS as being a "9th generation" system, and ever since the release of Switch the boundaries have been blurred. I predict that when the PS6 comes out we won't even hear of any "xth generation" stuff in the press, and that would also mean that Misplaced Pages will have to change in this context. --Sceeegt (talk) 18:02, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree, Nintendo's invitation to companies like steam and Lenovo to create handheld PC's that may or may not be consoles also blurs this line to the point of irrelevance within the press.

That being said generations are still important historically, so a solution should be found eventually, but that's a larger discussion not limited to just this page Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 07:34, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Draft Switch 2 game list

I've started a draft at Draft:List of Nintendo Switch 2 games, for anyone who wishes to contribute.

As I mention on it's talk page:

1. It will almost certainly be WP:TOOSOON to publish this draft until the April 2, 2025 Nintendo Direct. Please don't attempt to, as it'll almost certainly be deleted or sent back to draft space if done too early.
2. The "rumored" section is not ever intended to ever be published as is, its just for helping building and prepare the list for when it is ready to be published in April. We can prep entries, and simply "move them over" as they're confirmed. But again, only when its a draft.

Input is welcome, its very much so a work in progress. Sergecross73 msg me 16:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Image of Switch 2 from trailer

Should we add a screenshot or image of the Switch 2 from the trailer to this article? I don't know where in the article would be best fit for including an image of the Switch 2, but I just feel it should be included in here somewhere. Connor7184 (talk) 19:04, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Given it will be out within the year, no, since there is a reasonable likelihood a free image of the unit will be had in a relatively short time, and thus a non-free image from the trailer would fail WP:NFCC#1 Masem (t) 20:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok. Just wasn't sure. Connor7184 (talk) 21:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Will Mii Maker return to Switch 2?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Question to ask is how will Miis return to Switch 2? Like will they did the same thing like hiding the mii maker like the original switch? And will some Nintendo Switch 2 games (Hoping for a new Mario Kart game on Switch 2) be Mii playable? Rod14 (talk) 19:44, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Article talk pages are only for discussing about improving the article, not for the article's subject. See Misplaced Pages:NOTFORUM. ScienceGuy722 00:03, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

"Backward compatibility" parameter in infobox

We should probably write "Most Nintendo Switch games" and add an explanatory note clarifying that some Switch games may not be compatible or fully supported according to Nintendo. Once more info is available, we can expand the note to include concrete reasons. Maxeto0910 (talk) 19:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary at the moment. Not every Game Boy (Color) game works on the GBA but we don't clarify that in the Game Boy Advance article. I think we should wait until further clarification from Nintendo. JOEBRO 19:58, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Seconded. Infobox is just broad strokes, and the body covers this detail. Sergecross73 msg me 20:01, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Of course, the infobox should be as concise as possible and avoid unnecessary details. However, the trimming should stop where oversimplification begins. I really don't think the parameter gets too bloated by simply adding the words "Most" and "games". Maxeto0910 (talk) 20:32, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

"Most" isn't the wording they're using though. And I know how this'll go, it'll only lead to endless attempts by passerby editors, who will add their WP:OR tweaking to the wording in efforts to try to quantify something we don't really know yet.

The official word is that it's BC with some exceptions. Maybe a footnote that mentions there will be exceptions instead? Sergecross73 msg me 20:54, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I think its going to depend on how long that exemption list is. If its like 5 games (at most), that's easily a footnote on this page and the List of Switch games. Anything more, and likely will need to to mark up the Switch games list with a new flag to indicate this. It also depends if they tell us why the games aren't support (like the educated guess that Labo won't be supported due to the physical size). But definitely a wait-and-see matter, nothing we should push for now. Masem (t) 21:03, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Sure, I'm fine with a brief explanatory note. Maxeto0910 (talk) 21:04, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

1) This is the first time I've heard the info that the GBA is not compatible with some GB and GBC games. In the "Games" section of the GBA article, it specifically states that the GBA is compatible with "all earlier Game Boy titles", so either the article or your comparison is wrong. And talking about taking another article for reference: The PlayStation 5 article has my suggestion for this article implemented, stating that "Almost all PlayStation 4 games and PlayStation VR games" are backward compatible. The featured Wii article does similar with its GameCube backward compatibility by having an explanatory note in the infobox.

2) We already have the information that some Switch games may not be compatible or fully supported confirmed by Nintendo. I can see no good reason for being silent about this fact. I think there's no need to "wait until further clarification from Nintendo". Simply writing "Nintendo Switch" in the backward compatibility parameter is an oversimplification and misleading. Maxeto0910 (talk) 20:08, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

Dubious codename

I mean, Ounce has only been seen twice, so I thought it would have been best if we just marked it as dubious, cause we don't have any concrete evidence to back up the theory. FavoriteOne (talk) 23:00, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to removal. True or not, it's not very widely known or used. Sergecross73 msg me 23:22, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

WP:CRYSTAL

Skyshifter and Masem I don't see why these edits 1 and 2 were reverted. Upon inspection this whole section appears to clearly violate WP:CRYSTAL. Pretty much the only official hardware information we have is that it is backwards compataible. The rest is rumour and specualtion and in clear vilaton of Misplaced Pages guidelines. Helper201 (talk) 20:43, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Presenting the specs in a table without the aid of prose to say that they are rumored specs it look like the specs are official, which we want to avoid. — Masem (t) 21:08, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

If they hadn't removed it, I probably would have. I don't think it makes sense to host the entirety of leaked, unofficial specs like that. It's WP:UNDUE to focus so much on a single leak in so much detail. Sergecross73 msg me 21:18, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

i would add that other "hardware" information we have include The LCD screen and the second usb port; not to mention the other physical properties we can see in the trailer. the table is too far but i would not say the only official hardware info we have is backwards compatibility, we know enough to have a section and the rampant rumors deserve mention, perhaps it can be reworded to emphasize the "unofficial" nature of these leaks; I personally don't find that necessary, but removing the whole hardware section is unnecessary Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 21:22, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Masem I think you misunderstood my point. I'm not disagreeing with the removal of the table. I'm saying the whole hardware section should be removed like this person tried to do, as the whole section is in violation of WP:CRYSTAL, not just that table. I agree with the table’s removal, it’s just the rest of the section should also have been left removed and not reverted.

As for Welp22, again, the sources are speculation. The video from Nintendo didn't "say" anything (besides backwards compatibility as I already mentioned), it was just an unworded video. We need sources explicitly state information, per WP:SYNTH, and and not rumours or speculation. Helper201 (talk) 21:35, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I think you're missing an important aspect of CRYSTAL - Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included, though editors should be aware of creating undue bias to any specific point of view.

It would be a CRYSTAL violation if we put down "The Switch 2 will come in an emerald green model source - Serge". But it's acceptable it's acceptable if it's coming from a reliable source, and correctly written in the proper context that it's not official. Sergecross73 msg me 21:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Okay, but it's a bit different when a whole speculation is pretty much entirely made up of speculation. We aren't talking about one or two sentences here but a whole seven paragraph section of the Misplaced Pages page. That is definetly counter to what the crystal guideline puts across. Helper201 (talk) 21:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

sorry when i gave the example of the LCD it was specifically because it is not speculation, I understand the sentiment but there is enough here to justify a hardware section, removing it makes this not only a worse article, but also just causes hassle for later on when the console is out. Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 21:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

The source says it’s for an "unnamed game console", while its highly likely to be the Switch 2, that's speculation nonetheless. The speculation and thus most of this section will be redundant when the official hardware is revealed, so much of it can be removed then, so I don't see the problem with doing so now. Helper201 (talk) 21:51, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I suppose this goes back to "should have kept it as a draft" Daniel (strangestuff) (talk) 07:45, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Indeed, it could use some trimming. Sergecross73 msg me 21:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

100% agree here. Too much speculation in the article which is not right given that not much of it is official. Sceeegt (talk) 18:44, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Failed verification

A new editor keeps adding this edit. It's a verification failure. The article was published a year ago and doesn't even mention Switch 2. It appears to be ripped straight from the original Switch article. There, it's properly used. But it doesn't verify anything for this article. Sergecross73 msg me 13:56, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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