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Very funny

) Tendancer 18:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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Today...

...started with the usual contention with Tecmobowl, and accelerated into his being blocked for 1 week, after some 3RR violations and uncivil behavior (to say the least) after they came up with solid evidence that proved the strong suspicion of sockpuppet behavior. I want to apologize to you for being cross with you. You have no idea what I and others have had to put up with from that character. I had hoped he would see reason without taking him behind the administrative woodshed, but some folks are just too egoistic to see the bigger picture. Hopefully, I myself am not that far gone yet. Be good. :) Baseball Bugs 22:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

No hard feelings here, sir. None at all. I'm just trying to be a calm voice in the storm. On first impression, people tend to either hate me or love me. For some reason there aren't many in between. Although those that don't like me, but take the time to get to know me, generally come around to liking me. The point I was trying to make, is that you can accomplish every bit of what happened, without being overtly nasty. Trust me, I'm all too familiar with pov-pushing Spa's. They'll generally shoot themselves in the foot, without any help from us, if we give them enough rope. (ok, I'm mixing metaphores). Peace.Lsi john 23:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

"Give a man enough rope, and he'll shoot himself in the foot." I like it. :) It sounds like something out of the Dilbert newsletter. I don't know if I said this before, but my one real beef with Tecmo was that he refused to answer fair questions I posed to him. That was it, the whole thing that started it. I don't mind arguments and passionate discussions. Where there's communication, there's hope. When he cut me off like I was some insect, I was enfuriated. Although that sounds like ego-at-work, it turns out he treats everyone that way. And upon being blocked today, he said "I'll be back in a week and unless a good discussion has taken place, my behavior will remain the same." So there ya are. If anyone ever begged for a permanent block, he's the one. Baseball Bugs 00:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Yep. And, 'tween you and me (and all of wikipedia), in fighting with him, you became him (at least in your conversations with me). Just something to think about. For me, I see myself doing that too. Perhaps we all do. But it certainly bears watching, at least for me it does. I don't particularly like it when I 'become' like those with whom I'm in conflict. oh, and I still like the website as an EL :P ;) Peace.Lsi john 00:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

It's called lowering oneself to someone else's level. I think this problem is inherent to this site, as a function of its policy that I like to paraphrase "the encyclopedia any moron can edit". That's not to call him a moron. He's not a moron, just a disruptive user. Most of the morons are IP addresses and red-links. But this popular-committee approach has inherent flaws. I sometimes think that its real purpose is an elaborate social experiment Mr. Wales is conducting, in pursuit of his doctoral degree or something. :) Baseball Bugs 00:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Wi-Fi

I cordially invite you to help improve Wi-Fi. Jehochman 15:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow. um ok. thanks. As a network admin and software engineer, I'm a wi-fi user, without much knowledge of the specific details (frequencies and such), but I'll have a look. Peace.Lsi john 15:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The Enforcer

John, if you're still interested, take a look at the Wikibreak Enforcer script that the nice lady posted a link to on my page in response to your request for an enforced wikibreak. Not sure it's what you're looking for or that you're indeed still looking. My feeling, last time I looked into the issue, was that the self-block scripts were too easily overridden. But perhaps this is an improved version. Anyway, it's for you, so you might want to check it out and send her a thank-you note. Bishonen | talk 09:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC).

Thanks! Snagged a copy. Peace.Lsi john 16:45, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Arbitration

If you look at the comment by the first arbitrator, you can see where this is going. We are at arbitration to settle the questions he poses. I do not think this is going to lead to sanctions against any editor. Rather, it will clarify what is sockpuppetry and what isn't and serve as a precedent. Jehochman 15:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Peace.Lsi john 16:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Tecmobowl

Are you beginning to see precisely what my issue is with him? Baseball Bugs 01:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I really prefer to keep conversations together....

I'm saying that I sympathize. By the time I got involved nobody was talking to anyone, and that is frustrating. I'd prefer to remain unspecific, as then I'd feel obliged to be equally specific elsewhere. (hint hint) Peace.Lsi john 01:24, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your kind thoughts. :) Baseball Bugs 01:28, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

There is still one thing that's slightly irksome about this character. In addition to generally twisting the facts, and continually lying about his sockpuppetry, he makes it look like everything was peachy until June when everyone started ganging up on him. Take a look at this entry from last fall, long before I ever heard of him, and when he was already doing this same "my way or the highway" stuff and was being told by admins to stop it. And there is this other cautionary note from the day before he said "la dee da" to me: Tecmobowl has been a contentious user from the get-go. It just happened to reach a critical mass in June, when enough editors were ready to stand up to him. Baseball Bugs 14:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry to appear to be "poking" him, but I will not stand idly by and watch him lie about stuff. And if I get suspended for it, so be it. Baseball Bugs 21:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Truthfully, why does it matter what he says about what happened? You ALL behaved very poorly at one time or another. The only 'really' important thing, is what he does going forward. You continue to poke him, and make sure your view of the record is 'accurately reflected'. Bottom line.. who gives a flying shit? It all happened, he's blocked. Bugs, your continued badgering does not reflect well on you. You guided the ship to a successful block. Let fate take over now. Peace.Lsi john 21:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Watch your language, Mr. Christian. I felt the need to let him know specifically why he drew my attention, and to remind him that he was doing this long before any of us ever heard of him. Get this: He does not care what any of us thinks... not you, not me, not the admins, not anyone. So what I say or don't say to him is unlikely to have any negative impact on what he decides to do. But if he actually reflects on it, there is the meager possibility of having a positive effect. Baseball Bugs 21:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Haha.. I'm unaware of any but a specific few proscriptions on language with regards to Christianity. I'm trying to offer you some of the same sage advice that you're offering him. And you're accepting it in similar fashion. You might reflect on that. :) Anyway, I said my peace. You're intent on keeping him blocked and I have no desire to make it my 'battle'. I think he deserves a chance to come back. I think you should avoid him. I think he should avoid you. And I already said on his page that I'm unlikely to reply further about the issue. Lets stay 'friendly' cuz I certainly liked it better, kk? :) (I'd prefer to end this discussion too). Peace.Lsi john 21:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The Christians I know don't lower themselves to vulgarity. Be that as it may, what I'm offering you is that I will stop watching his page. In short, I'm taking your advice. I would actually like to see him change his ways and come back and be a constructive editor. It's not totally hopeless; there's always a chance. Baseball Bugs 21:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The matter of User:Nleobold

Thanks for the tip on procedure. I have entered the completed details upon the template that you sent me the lead for. His modus operandi has been to do 3 Reverts before, on 28 June 2007. Thanks again for your help. Dogru144 19:43, 2 July 2007 (UTC)