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• Battle of Normandy, June of '44, quite possibly my favorite pic on Wiki.
• Animated naval gun turret, this pic has to be my favorite animated illustration on wiki.
• Pangea breaking up into the continents we know today. Amazing.

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Tang map

Hi Eric, good to receive your email. Back when I was at uni, I'd considered making a Tang dynasty map. I think I even started on one, but later I found out that I didn't know enough about the period to make something along the lines of what I did for the Han dynasty. Especially problematic was the Tang's positions in present day Xinjiang, as these tended to shift constantly. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do the research and make another map nowadays, because of the constraints imposed by my work. Although I still dream of a set of standardised maps spanning the entire length of Chinese history on Misplaced Pages, I don't think I'll be the one to fulfill it. Sorry, mate. Yeu Ninje 10:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a shame. Oh well, I'll try and find someone else who can make a map for it.--Pericles of Athens 20:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Massaging articles for FA

I'll finish reading 2nd half of Augustus and the other hopefully later today when I haev a bit of time. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey I just got this

This really belongs to you!

On 23 August, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Yingzao Fashi, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Peta 23:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I am reading up on China and Chinese architecture! Lots of the books you reference, I can't find however. Regards, --Mattisse 23:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't nominate it. Someone else just picked up on it. When I was doing a lot of India articles I got several of those because the India editors keep their eyes open for possiblilities. Someone must be doing that for China. Do you need any copy editing on Augustus? Regards, Mattisse 00:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

JSTOR, yes, but I haven't used it. Do you get a lot from there? Mattisse 00:43, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

If you have adequate copy editors I'll skip it — only if you should need help! Regards, --Mattisse 17:35, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Good luck

Good luck with your senior year; Misplaced Pages will keep. I've asked a couple of good editors to have a look. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Congradulations on the FAC!

I guess it is routine for you! (Today I have two DYK's! There is someone nominating Chinese articles I think.) --Mattisse 21:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Question

I wrote a little article called Dougong in which I give the word in Chinese characters. Now I have been asked the following question (to which I do not know the answer):

Why is it sometimes spelled 斗栱 and sometimes 斗拱? Is either considered more correct?

Do you know the answer? Regards, --Mattisse 18:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! This one I did nominate for DKY and was unexpectedly asked that question. --Mattisse 20:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Cuju

I noticed that you edited the Cuju page. Do you know of any books that give more detailed descriptions of the game, particularly during the Song Dynasty? The article is undersourced and tends to be a little confusing in certain places.

The kicking techniques of Cuju were supposedly adapted and incorporated into the Chuo Jiao boxing style. Practitioners of Chuo Jiao consider Zhou Tong and Yue Fei to be some of the first masters in their martial lineage. Of course, this is only a legend because historical works don't mention Yue learning anything other than archery. --Ghostexorcist 00:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Shen Kuo, slight copy editing question

Wow, you write some really great articles! As I was reading your Shen Kuo article, I happened to notice a small nit. You wrote: "Shen Kuo's children were often upset over this, and prostrated to Lady Zhang to quit this behavior." Did you mean "and prostrated themselves to Lady Zhang, asking her to quit this behavior" or "and protested to Lady Zhang, asking her to quit this behavior"?

Glad to support such a fine article -- PatriciaJH 21:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations once again!

Studying for finals and a FA! How can it be? Are you Superman? --Mattisse 23:58, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Revolving repositories

Supposedly there is a working revolving repository at Bao'en Temple. I think that is the same thing as your description in Technology of the Song Dynasty. I was perusing your gallery thinking you might have a picture of it. --Mattisse 01:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

More Shen Kuo copy edits

I made a few more copy edits to the Shen Kuo article, and also to your article quoting his work. Some are fixes to typos or other minor errors, others are sentences I reworked after I had had to stop, back up, and reparse. I made changes as minimal as possible, trying to respect your style and cadence; I think I left your meaning intact but you should check my edits to be sure. And let me know if you dislike any of my changes, please! Hope this is helpful -- no one should have to do their own final copy editing, it's virtually impossible to find all of one's own errors. I figure since I spot errors as I read anyway, I can pay my Misplaced Pages rent by fixing odds and ends as I go.

It's great to find so much solid information about Chinese math and science history -- much (Western) writing that I read says something along the lines of "Oh, and so & so in China discovered this a few centuries prior, but they don't count because they're Chinese. In Europe...." Then I try to track down information on so & so, and often find very little.

-- PatriciaJH 01:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

2D images and copyright

Hello,

I noticed that one of your iamges, on Dougong is licenced under the GFDL. Your source states it as "Your book", do you mean a book for which you are the author, or a book that you own. If you are the author, skip to the end of my comment, otherwise doesn't this constitute an image of a 2D work, which i believe in most countries is subject to copyright. However the image in question is *very* old, and as such probably not copyright-able by anyone, which means that you can't GFDL it because you don't own it. Perhaps PL is better? Thanks, A somewhat confused (Not A Copyright Lawyer in whatever country you are in) User A1 15:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Pop! I have replied on my talk page, cheers User A1 23:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

This is the flip side of DYK. --Mattisse 00:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Again I have replied on my talk. Thanks User A1 01:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats and well done

I have to admit, having watchlisted Augustus only a few days before you started bringing it up to scratch, I was a little stressed to have been beaten to it, but I can't say that if I had got there earlier it would have been any better. You will have picked up I'm sure that I have strong views on the politicial settlements of Augustus, but nothing I would have done would have been as comprehensive as your impressive and sterling work. Congratulations. --FactotEm 15:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

re: Bao'en Temple

No reason for the images - just the best I could do. I was really doing the article for myself and could not find any images (and I look and looked) that applied. I was hoping maybe you would! --Mattisse 21:11, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

That's what I figured. Too bad. It is wonderful that you have traveled in China! --Mattisse 21:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Youguo Temple

Do you see any obvious faux pas in Youguo Temple. I did the article because it was a red link in your Song Dynasty architecture article. Regards, --Mattisse 19:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Joinery

This book says that in Chinese architecture, joinery is defined as "non-structural carpentry" and refers to Yingzao Fashi. Is this right? I haven't found anything else that says that. --Mattisse 21:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Maybe you could look at this and see if anything strikes you as wrong: Zaojing. --Mattisse 21:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about shipbuilding. For structures, traditional Chinese architecture is as you say, without nails, I firmly believe, from the sources I've read. --Mattisse 21:48, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

question

I want to make a category for the history of Chinese architecture. Do you think it should be called Category:Chinese architectural history or Category:History of Chinese architecture? --Mattisse 19:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Wording choice

The only reason I didn't go with History of Chinese Architecture is that it would be stuck with all the History of ... articles. However, I can always change it. --Mattisse 00:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Do you know if this is correct: zaojing (的博客)? --Mattisse 00:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought you knew everything! (I'm disillusioned now!) --Mattisse 00:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture of word

There is a picture of the Chinese word on this web page: (It is a glossary). But I do not know how to find the figures. I have the characters in by book also. --Mattisse 00:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Self-portrait

Maybe you have some input, I'm working on the article Self-portrait and I'd like a section on Asian self-portraiture. I haven't found anything on Misplaced Pages or commons. If my memory serves weren't some zen painters from the 12th to 17th centuries also doing self portrayals as characters? Thanks - Modernist 15:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

We are ok, found a few, thanks for your note. Modernist 11:00, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Novel

Have you ever read the 1930 novel "Gladiator" by Philip Wylie? The main character, Hugo Danner, is believed to be a partial inspiration for Superman. I just recently finished reading the book and expanded the Hugo Danner article. I added a section about his powers and a picture and will add a section about the similarities between superman and Hugo later. If you haven't read it, I believe the novel's main article has a free online version of the book. I bought a 1951 edition of the book on amazon for $7. Check it out. --Ghostexorcist 10:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:Songyue Pagoda.jpg

Hi, a user raised a good question while this image was shown on the main page: The stamp was taken in 1958 and copyright law in China states that copyrights expire 50 years after the author's death. Do you recall why this image is PD? -- lucasbfr 09:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

List of Song Emperors

Hello Pericles. How is everything? I wonder which names of the emperors you are referring to? Please be specific. Ktsquare (talk) 03:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Reading the appendices of Chinese sources and dictionaries shall be a start. Ktsquare (talk) 13:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Help with a page

Hi! I know that you have contributed enormously to articles concerning history of China, and your grammatical and editing skills are quite good as well. I stumble across the Xi'an article and noticed in the past few days, a user have added an extensive (actually humongous) amount of new informations and pictures to the article. Most of the newly added informations are very poorly written (as if wrote by someone with little English skill), and placed poorly. Basically, the grammatical aspect of the article is sort of "ruined" and it needs extensive "copy editing" and "clean-up". I've fixed some basic elements already but I was wonder if you could look over it and see what you can fix with it?--Balthazarduju 17:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Fishing in a mountain stream, by Xu Daoning

Hello, PericlesofAthens. Long-time no-see!  :-) I came across Image:Fishing in a mountain stream.jpg earlier, and was dismayed to see that it is a poor-quality image. I know that you have experience in Chinese-related articles and images. Do you know of any higher-resolution images, preferrably of the entire silk? I would like to examine such an image, but I assume it would be in the public domain due to Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. Your experience would be very appreciated.  :-) Thanks in advance, Iamunknown 06:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Question

I would like to ask your advice about something. Not too long ago I wrote an article called zaojing that was going to be part of a series on ancient traditional Chinese architectural terms, much like I did for Indian architectural terms.

A week or so ago I discovered that zaojing had turned into a #REDIRECT and the contents had been emptied into Caisson (Asian architecture). (The editor also took the Dougong article and put the contents into the Caisson (Asian architecture) article, but no redirect, thank goodness.) I complained on ANI that this had happened without warning, no MERGE or anything so for now it is reversed. The editor was told that he needs to place {{mergeto}} and {{mergefrom}} tags in these articles and engage in a discussion.

My question to you is, should I just let the merge go ahead when this request comes up? It seems he and I are the only ones interested. The other editor is continuing to explore ways to get around the MERGE.

My reason for the zaojing name is from my ancient Chinese architecture books, that the word was specifically Chinese. Plus, I am in general against merging everything into everything, so that if a person wants to find out what zaojing means, that person has to read a whole article, Caisson (Asian architecture), that focuses mostly on the Forbidden City.

But I want your honest opinion. What do you think? --Mattisse 00:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Err.... not trying to extend the argument... honestly

Hey Pericles, I was meaning to ask for your opinion on the above issue ^ although it seems that Mattisse got here first. I, too, would like your opinion on the matter, but instead I'll just point out a couple of things:

• Caisson (Asian architecture) doesn't "focus on the Forbidden City". In its version before Mattisse went about implementing his view, it only mentions the Forbidden City at one place.
• I don't get why Mattisse thinks I "copied" dougong into this article, since I wrote the material on dougong in this article months before he created the article dougong.
• Base on what I have read, "Caisson" is just the English translation of the Chinese word "zaojing" in the architectural context. I'm not sure whether Matisse is disagreeing with this view, or whether he just likes using the word "zaojing" better than "Caisson".
• Caisson (Asian architecture) is the earlier article.

Anyway, I didn't mean to come here to argue, and I know you're knowledgeable and intelligent enough to come to an opinion yourself. If I could trouble you to do so, could you have a read of both articles, especially this version of Caisson (Asian architecture) (I am asking you read an old version because Mattisse has made significant changes and the current version, I feel, is substandard), and perhaps take a look at the talk page as well? Thanks PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 06:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

PS just in case my user name looks unfamiliar, I think the last time I spoke to you I was on my old account. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 07:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

• Just to be correct this is his version before he took the information from zaojing and added it to Caisson (Asian architecture). But, of course, you are entitled to your opinion. I think I'm giving up on my project of Chinese terminology anyway. It seems that the mindset is not the same as that of people who write articles for India. Thanks. --Mattisse 19:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Hope that you do not think I am a pill, but I removed the reference from my Chinese architecture book from the Caisson article as it was used in a way that misrepresents the content. The primary references for the Caisson article are and the OED. He can have it his way but I will remove the incorrect material that he added from zaojing. --Mattisse 19:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your considered opinion Pericles. I will try to hammer out a consensus with Mattisse because I just don't have the time to run a full merger debate. However, if all else fails, I guess we would have to resort to that. Cheers, PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 00:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

PS, with regard to Mattisse's comments above: he is still talking about "his" sources and materials. I just don't get it. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 00:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)