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:::While I prefer to use the follow regions: ], ] and the '''North American region''', but many wont be agree with me; some will like to use the subregions of: ] and ], but many (including myself) wont be agree. The use of ''Northern America'' instead the ''North American region'' follows the UN geoscheme and wont cause any conflict, but the use of ''Middle America'' will do. While Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean are included in MA, it could includes parts of South America too. ] 08:20, 11 January 2008 (PST) :::While I prefer to use the follow regions: ], ] and the '''North American region''', but many wont be agree with me; some will like to use the subregions of: ] and ], but many (including myself) wont be agree. The use of ''Northern America'' instead the ''North American region'' follows the UN geoscheme and wont cause any conflict, but the use of ''Middle America'' will do. While Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean are included in MA, it could includes parts of South America too. ] 08:20, 11 January 2008 (PST)
::::Middle America ''rarely'' includes Colombia and Venezuela, which wash upon the Caribbean Sea. Just as North America may occasionally mean something different than the continent, Middle America, Central America, Latin America, and the Caribbean do as well in English. All of this is already incorporated into the article (e.g., 'Usage' section and elsewhere), so why does this persistently pop up? discard your fixation with this and get over it. I opt to keep the subregions in the introductory table as is, or to remove them completely from the introductory table, since no other CONTINENT article does so to cater to whomever. That's all. ] (]) 16:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC) ::::Middle America ''rarely'' includes Colombia and Venezuela, which wash upon the Caribbean Sea. Just as North America may occasionally mean something different than the continent, Middle America, Central America, Latin America, and the Caribbean do as well in English. All of this is already incorporated into the article (e.g., 'Usage' section and elsewhere), so why does this persistently pop up? discard your fixation with this and get over it. I opt to keep the subregions in the introductory table as is, or to remove them completely from the introductory table, since no other CONTINENT article does so to cater to whomever. That's all. ] (]) 16:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

That's not all, I want to reach the point of North American ambiguous term, since North America is not always classified as including North America, you are the one who would need to get over it. I simply do not like the fact of smaller largest cities being overshadowed, I just suggested to include a link to a full link which will not diminish the importance of North America. In reality, Central America currently has more influence and popularity than North America, and I won't let the cities of my subregion be overshadowed.

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North America and article ownership

Whenever someone attempts to clarify the "Usage" section, WilyD and others violate WP:OWN. It's unfortunate that this section cannot be improved because of their behavior. 68.89.149.2 (talk) 19:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to add anything that complies with WP:RS and WP:NOR, and keep in mind WP:NOT#SOAP and it'll remain. Cheers, WilyD 22:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
It's well explained far above that "North America" is used outside of North America to mean the U.S. and Canada, but that this usage is practically unknown in American English. You're one of the fools who keeps fighting to keep the facts out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.91.220.20 (talk) 22:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Try to find such sources. Given the prevalence of that usage among speakers of American and Canadian English, you might have your work cut out for you. WilyD 02:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

About the largest cities

I was thinking that since this article is about the whole continent and obviously Central American cities are being overshadowed by the north American ones, and some users seem to want to add the largest cities in Central America, I proposed (as someone did before) for simply add "Central America" below the 5 largest cities, so they can show up as well, like this: Supaman89 (talk) 15:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Mexico City
New York
Los Angeles
etc.
Central America
Guatemala City
Tegucigalpa
etc.

I would like, but people still change everything, they do not understand that Central America must be included, though not sure, I think they simply don't want to highlight Hispanophone countries. 190.140.233.179 (talk) 19:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

You cannot make a little country hold a larger population than Northern American ones, which are bigger, you must include the Central American population cause at least one of the Central Americans is among the largest.

JUST INCLUDE A CENTRAL AMERICAN CITY. Cocoliras (talk) 18:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Re the edit , the list being used, which is the second one in , is for urban agglomerations in 2003, not cities in 2005. It's better to use the newer, 2005, data found in . Also, the edit does not match the source. According to the source, the largest urban agglomerations in the North American continent below Boston are Houston, Washington D.C., and Atlanta, rather than Monterrey, Guadalajara, and Houston. Spacepotato (talk) 22:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, ok. Tell me if I'm bad, but isn't most infobox to list the cities instead of the metro areas, that overshadows completely countries with smaller sizes. It would be something very sad to see that. I may stay calm currently them. But South America and Central America do have it that way.

As you can see as well, you at least should include something like "in North America" or "if North America includes Central America" cause Central America's classification is ambiguous. Both a continent or a part of one.

Cocoliras (talk) 23:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

  1. It's better to use metro areas instead of cities proper because, even if the population within city boundaries is small, a city may serve as the center of a larger urbanized area. For example, Boston has a 2006 population of under 600,000 but is the center of a larger urbanized area (population >4 million), and so is effectively a much larger city than the 600,000 figure would suggest. I would suggest using metro areas for South America and Central America as well. In any case, using cities proper would not place a Central American city in the top ten.
  2. The ambiguity of North America is regrettable, but we show the extent of the continent in the infobox map, and describe it in the second sentence of the article.
Spacepotato (talk) 23:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree, S. Quizimodo (talk) 04:58, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you, but we at least should place a link to the largest Caribbean and Central American metro areas, since we should give aparted room to them as they are the largest in their own North American region.

I think this dispute is done.

Cocoliras (talk) 16:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm including a link to the rest of the largest cities in central america. it is ok.

Cocoliras (talk) 00:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't see the justification for that, as the article is about the continent as a whole, not about subregions. I'd like to instead suggest placing a list of subregions (Caribbean, Central America, Middle America, and Northern America) of the continent to the infobox. Then, a reader who wished to see the largest cities in Central America could simply click on the link. Spacepotato (talk) 00:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
While I prefer to use the follow regions: Central America, Caribbean and the North American region, but many wont be agree with me; some will like to use the subregions of: Northern America and Middle America, but many (including myself) wont be agree. The use of Northern America instead the North American region follows the UN geoscheme and wont cause any conflict, but the use of Middle America will do. While Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean are included in MA, it could includes parts of South America too. JC 08:20, 11 January 2008 (PST)
Middle America rarely includes Colombia and Venezuela, which wash upon the Caribbean Sea. Just as North America may occasionally mean something different than the continent, Middle America, Central America, Latin America, and the Caribbean do as well in English. All of this is already incorporated into the article (e.g., 'Usage' section and elsewhere), so why does this persistently pop up? discard your fixation with this and get over it. I opt to keep the subregions in the introductory table as is, or to remove them completely from the introductory table, since no other CONTINENT article does so to cater to whomever. That's all. Corticopia (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

That's not all, I want to reach the point of North American ambiguous term, since North America is not always classified as including North America, you are the one who would need to get over it. I simply do not like the fact of smaller largest cities being overshadowed, I just suggested to include a link to a full link which will not diminish the importance of North America. In reality, Central America currently has more influence and popularity than North America, and I won't let the cities of my subregion be overshadowed.

Cocoliras (talk) 19:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

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