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Just about anyone can make the list of administrators who would be watching every word written by Giano, ready to whack him with a block, whether deserved or not. One snippy comment in a FAR. One snotty response on his talk page. Another Eurocentric allusion that goes over the average American's head. "Obscene trolling: knows German" may well be the standard. Heck, there are several statements in his ] - a poignant and humorous final gift to our community - that would incite some admins to block him. And no AN or ANI discussion, just another report to ] that nobody questions or reads. And if someone does question the block, then we're back to the drama that nobody needs - not the community, not Arbcom, and not Giano either. From that perspective, with such a huge "kick me" sign pinned to his back, who can blame Giano for walking away? Hundreds of others already have. ] (]) 14:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC) Just about anyone can make the list of administrators who would be watching every word written by Giano, ready to whack him with a block, whether deserved or not. One snippy comment in a FAR. One snotty response on his talk page. Another Eurocentric allusion that goes over the average American's head. "Obscene trolling: knows German" may well be the standard. Heck, there are several statements in his ] - a poignant and humorous final gift to our community - that would incite some admins to block him. And no AN or ANI discussion, just another report to ] that nobody questions or reads. And if someone does question the block, then we're back to the drama that nobody needs - not the community, not Arbcom, and not Giano either. From that perspective, with such a huge "kick me" sign pinned to his back, who can blame Giano for walking away? Hundreds of others already have. ] (]) 14:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
:The choice was his to engage in highly provocative behavior that is well outside of policy and in my opinion has impeded the Community from writing a reasonable IRC guideline. Misplaced Pages is based on the idea that decisions will be made through calm collaborative discussion. It is impossible for that to happen when several editors raise the level of discourse to the point that most thoughtful people give up and walk away. Giano has a history of doing this. My goal is to re-focus his enthusiasm toward supporting our dispute resolution processes to achieve his goals. I opposed remedies that would stop his participation in Misplaced Pages policy making as I do value his opinion. As a high profile editor he needs to lead by example. Please encourage Giano to return as I feel that Misplaced Pages will be a better place with him here. Thanks for your thoughts. ]] 14:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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I see there looks to be some certainty of this resolution passing . Designed no doubt to prevent their errors and stupidity being publicly pointed out in future. No doubt the little, non-writing, Admins on IRC will have some kind of competition to see who can be the first to achieve fame by blocking me. Let's face it, fame won't come to them any other way. Sadly, for them, they will never have the opportunity. The Arbs were very ill-advised ever accepting this case. They now seem to want to risk even more mass disruption rather than accept they made a very silly mistake. However, when an entire case has been based on pure spite and revenge, I suppose one cannot really be surprised at the outcome. The Arbcom are well aware that I won't be ruled, or intimidated, by a chatroom which is exactly what such a resolution means. Neither will I hang about to play silly buggers with a chatroom. The page on which I "edit warred" is now gone, it seems it never was a Misplaced Pages page - so it has not been all a waste.

Another good thing to emerge from this is Jimbo's ruling that the chatroom is now under the Arbcom's jurisdiction , something they had always denied before I raised this matter. Had I not raised these issues so forcefully, they would never have been addressed. None of you must ever, ever let them forget what Jimbo has decreed. Giano (talk) 17:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

award

To Giano, for having gone through a bout of Wiki-gehenna/hades/hell/nifleim/Dante-eque Inferno. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:00, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Au contraire - this is the much more light-hearted original cirteria, as Billy Joel is a much better judge of core articles than Misplaced Pages:Vital articles....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

What? As in we didn't start the fire? lol - really? Heavens! --Joopercoopers (talk) 10:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/IRC

This arbitration case has closed and the final decision may be found at the link above. Giano is placed on civility restriction for one year. Should Giano make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, Giano may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling. All parties in this case are strongly cautioned to pursue disputes in a civil manner designed to contribute to resolution and to cause minimal disruption. All the involved editors, both the supporters and detractors of IRC, are asked to avoid edit warring on project space pages even if their status is unclear, and are instructed to use civil discussion to resolve all issues with respect to the "admin" IRC channel. For the Arbitration committee, Thatcher 04:06, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Flo, I've left this message on your talk page, but perhaps it is best to put a copy of my thoughts here as well.

I too wish that Giano would stay and continue to participate in Misplaced Pages. From the perspective of the encyclopedia, he is an incredibly valuable contributor; from the personal perspective, I have learned a great deal about editing and greatly value the encouragement he has given me. Giano's mainspace edits are legendary, and his contributions on the meta side have significantly improved content and behaviour with respect to "The Troubles," addressing paedophilia-related activity on this site, abusive blocking and transparency here on Misplaced Pages. His meta positions have been supported by the wide community despite his sometimes excessive zeal; many who "opposed" Giano's election to Arbcom commented that he had the right ideas but his approach wasn't suited to being an Arbcom member. It is difficult to know whether the changes in Misplaced Pages culture could have been made without Giano's rhetoric and focus on issues. Let's compare the defense of !! and the granting of rollback to non-administrators: Both involved walking very fine lines and pushed the community hard into a new direction, with high-flying rhetoric and violation of WP conventions. Giano got warned for being rude and violating unwritten rules (which remain unwritten, as the community cannot come to a consensus on what those rules are); Ryan Postlethwaite was invited to join a special Arbcom subcommittee.

Just about anyone can make the list of administrators who would be watching every word written by Giano, ready to whack him with a block, whether deserved or not. One snippy comment in a FAR. One snotty response on his talk page. Another Eurocentric allusion that goes over the average American's head. "Obscene trolling: knows German" may well be the standard. Heck, there are several statements in his essay - a poignant and humorous final gift to our community - that would incite some admins to block him. And no AN or ANI discussion, just another report to WP:AE that nobody questions or reads. And if someone does question the block, then we're back to the drama that nobody needs - not the community, not Arbcom, and not Giano either. From that perspective, with such a huge "kick me" sign pinned to his back, who can blame Giano for walking away? Hundreds of others already have. Risker (talk) 14:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The choice was his to engage in highly provocative behavior that is well outside of policy and in my opinion has impeded the Community from writing a reasonable IRC guideline. Misplaced Pages is based on the idea that decisions will be made through calm collaborative discussion. It is impossible for that to happen when several editors raise the level of discourse to the point that most thoughtful people give up and walk away. Giano has a history of doing this. My goal is to re-focus his enthusiasm toward supporting our dispute resolution processes to achieve his goals. I opposed remedies that would stop his participation in Misplaced Pages policy making as I do value his opinion. As a high profile editor he needs to lead by example. Please encourage Giano to return as I feel that Misplaced Pages will be a better place with him here. Thanks for your thoughts. FloNight♥♥♥ 14:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
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