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User:Cult_free_world/Proposed_Sahaj_Marg_India

This page is a 5th attempt to post a duplication of pages on the topics of Sahaj Marg/Shri Ram Chandra Mission. Here are the original sets of articles, which all were deleted due to lack of secondary sources and notability:

• Time 1:
• Then, these articles, which were variations of the original articles above, were deleted due to lack of secondary sources and notability as well, , .

Here are two recent attempts to re-post the exact same articles again, one on a regular page, one on a talk page, , . Now, the exact same article has been posted on user space here. There are repeated assertions that "new" third-party secondary sources have appeared, but despite repeated requests for them, none have been forthcoming, , which leads one to conclude that it's because there are none. Finally, the group/practice is just not notable. This and this are what comes up when one runs a Google News search on the topics of Sahaj Marg/Shri Ram Chandra Mission (i.e., nothing). Please note that when the strategy of posting in main space without new sources failed, the user tried to post in talk space, which failed as well. Now he has posted in user space (the exact same article), to circumvent the deletion review process. Please consider salting the topics given this persistent attempt to circumvent the deletion review process. Renee (talk) 00:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Per nomination. Also, please also speedy delete this, which was made in my name without my knowledge or permission. Renee (talk) 00:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom flaminglawyer 01:04, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Salt all appropriate mainspace titles. This user has tried to monkey around with WP:RS, WP:N, WP:SOAP, with three different usernames. I could care less what he does on his userpage, minus the WP:NPA ].Sethie (talk) 01:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• I agree. Regurgitation should only happen in cows. A pig with lipstick is still a pig. This is a pretty blatant attempt at getting round wiki rules with the exact same material that couldn't pass muster in the past. If[REDACTED] were medieval Rome, User:Cult Free World would have been excommunicated for crimes against other users intelligence. Marathi_Mulgaa (talk) 02:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Okay, that surely wins my support for best !vote of the day. Joe 07:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. This is clearly a yet another attempted blight at Misplaced Pages. A new user trying to post the same information when it has been deleted 4 times before on solid grounds. It is disruptive and negatively affects the trust that WP is trying to build. Duty2love (talk) 03:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Per comments above. How many times do we need to go over the same material. I wish[REDACTED] users use discretion in their edits so that this forum is not reduced to the "lowest common denominator".--Innerself (talk) 06:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. I believe that this constitutes a reasonable use of WP:USER space, provided the editor continues to improve the article with a view to eventually moving it into article space. Needless to say, at present it is nowhere near being ready for such a move. Sheffield Steel_stalk 14:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment. "...this space is not intended to indefinitely archive your preferred version of disputed or previously deleted content..."Renee (talk) 15:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep At present, it seems to be working, not archiving. There is an active discussion in user space about the way of revising it to create a suitable article. That they have previously tried and failed does not prove that it is impossible for them to succeed. Whatever may have been the case in the past, the present effort impresses me as being in good faith. I am unwilling to assume bad faith, just inadequate preparation of an article. Personally, though I doubt that they will succeed in producing anything acceptable, they should be permitted to try. Given that there is active collaboration in the process at present, the [REDACTED] user space seems an appropriate place to work on it. DGG (talk) 15:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment. Unfortunately, there has not been active collaboration. To the counter, three other editors have tried to work on the article and he continuously reverts them (e.g., see this). He just ignores our comments on the talk page (i.e., see ten requests for secondary sources by a variety of editors above, as well as discussions on references). He edits to promote a POV in line with his user name (e.g., see this). He knowingly mis-labels court cases (i.e., he labeled a court case "sexual abuse" when it was a libel case that the court found prima facie libelous and defamatory). This pattern is identical to the pattern in the previous articles; the active editors on these articles just don't want to repeat a frustrating history. We just need some sort of mechanism to prevent the abuse (i.e., reverting edits, refusing to collaborate, mis-labeling or mis-representing sources, etc.) and it seems like salting of the topics would work, because then a proper deletion review can take place where the new evidence can be evaluated on its merits without all of the violations of Wiki policy. (It's just as easy for him to work on his version on Word, since he won't allow anyone else to work on it anyway.) The real issue here is abuse of the system, which I hope Wiki policies can prevent. Renee (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Delete. Non-notable, no adequate sources. Agree with Renee's comments that this is an abuse of the system. Mayawi (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

• Why delete? Attempt to delete this temp page, is an deliberate attempt by the group itself from preventing an article from getting published, as i have noted before also,, I seriously doubt that Renee is also a paid member of the group as user:jossi is of prem rawat , Jossi and User:Reneeholle are in close connection with each other, this is evident here , where User:Reneeholle approaches here[REDACTED] friend, to delete an article, why no AfD tag on the page ? and then again immediately after filing a WP:IU report against me , User:Reneeholle approaches user:jossi for help in getting me blocked from wikipedia, only to prevent this particular article from getting published, this was in addition to various notices and useless warnings after warnings to me, , her problem with this article being getting published is evident here , where her first edit to the temp page, was the removal of all links of court dockets related to the cult. There is no statement made, in the temp page about dockets, simply a link to the available court docket is presented, and the page is exact translation from wikipedia's french twin about the same subject . My attempt is to translate the same page from french to english, add all the sources for each and every statement in the page, get many eye's on the page, to confirm neutrality, RS and NOR, and then finally publish the page. What is the concern when there an article in private user space, copied as it is from[REDACTED] only, and is there for translation, adding references and then publishing it. --talk-to-me! (talk) 17:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)