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== Where's the REAL meat of the article? ==

What I can't understand is how an article purporting to cover GTA 4 can not include the fact that Rick Astley is never gunna give you up, he's never gunna let you down, never gunna run around and desert you.

How can you even discuss GTA 4 without pointing out that Astley would never make you cry, or say good bye, or tell a lie to hurt you?

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PC release

I was looking in the article for PC release information, but didn't find any. Further, I didn't find an explicit exclusion of PC release either. I don't know one way or the other, but if it is going to be released on the PC, it should be detailed; and if not, it should also be detailed (especially if there's any sourced information as to why). — pd_THOR | 17:48, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

There has been no announcement about a PC version and as far as I know, no statements as to why there is not. xenocidic (talk) 17:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Would it not be unusual for an article to say what a game is not coming out on? John.n-irl (talk) 18:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I was going to mention that peculiarity. Perhaps it might simply be worthwhile to make a statement such as "While no PC version has been announced at this time, sixth-generation Grand Theft Auto titles were released for Microsoft Windows within a year of their console launch." xenocidic (talk) 18:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Would that not be straying towards Misplaced Pages:Crystal Ball? John.n-irl (talk) 11:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
"Straying", but not outright crystalline - it's just a statement of fact about previous versions. xenocidic (talk) 12:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe we should but PC release date TBA Q4 2008/Q1 2009 (we all know why this announcement is delayed)? Kaurikk (talk) 12:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
*that* would be crystal balling. xenocidic (talk) 12:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
There are lots of people (including me), who have sent e-mail to Rockstar about this question. And they never say no (because they don't want to lie, because PC version is coming) and they can't say yes because then they break the deal they have made with Microsoft and Sony. But let it be then. Kaurikk (talk) 12:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
it is really only "ASSUMED" that GTA4 will eventually be released. I dont know if that means we should include it in the article or not though —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogma5 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

(unindent)Upon further thought, I don't think it would be encyclopedic to talk about the PC version. As John mentioned above, Misplaced Pages is about what is, not what is not. xenocidic (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

so put in what IS-- that there has been no official statement about bringing GTA IV to the PC. It's very relevant information about this game. The PC market is huge and every previous GTA game has entered that market. Jhhays (talk) 13:39, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I dont think there should be any mention of a PC release, be it referring to past or future. A quick search shows no citable source to put with it and it would be nothing more than Wiki editors expressing a desire to see it happen, in my opinion anyway. John.n-irl (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Emil Kastberg (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the article should acknowledge, at the very least, that there have been no statements about a PC version. I don't think it would be out of line to point out the release trends of the previous games in the series, but I can see how people could object to that. But the lack of official details about a PC version IS noteworthy. I came to this article specifically to look for that information. The GTA series have been some of the best selling PC games in history. Jhhays (talk) 13:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree on that. As said before, it would be just pointing out that it's not like it was with previous games not saying there will be one or none. --SoWhy 18:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


The chances are that GTA 4 will be released in a year or two on PC. DRD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.250.41 (talk) 11:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Guys GTA IV for PC is out on October 2008 as you can see here: Well i'm not pretty sure about that but it's something. 16:25 8 April 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daron19 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I doubt you could use that as a source, its too far from official for something like that. John.n-irl (talk) 15:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
“ There has been no official statement regarding a Microsoft Windows version. ”
I honestly dont believe that should even be in there, it makes it sound like a for-gone conclusion and the page is just awaiting confirmation, which it is anything but. John.n-irl (talk) 16:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it is a foregone conclusion. There will be a PC version. It hasn't been announced since Microsoft and Sony have secured limited run exclusivity. If a PC version doesn't materialize, I'll eat my hat. But if consensus deems the sentence is inappropriate, by all means, remove it. xenocidic (talk) 16:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment: the article should be about what the game IS, not what the game is NOT. There's been no announcement as to whether it'll be released on the Atari 2600 either -- should we include that? -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 17:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Straw man argument. xenocidic (talk) 17:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Large IGN interview, lots of stuff we can cite now

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/863/863028p1.html

They discuss Niko, people, the city and some of the work that went into creating the city

DS release?

I know GTA IV is coming to Xbox 360 and PS3, but some french game release website says that GTA IV is coming to DS. French don't make mistakes however, so what is you're take on this?

Err...yeah... Ha. John.n-irl (talk) 22:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm yes but it might be a few years until that actually happens DRD —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.250.41 (talk) 11:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

GTA4 "social website" revealed

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51957 - website that allows all online enabled players to track their stats, with rewards for things like furthest distance walked and a "key to the city" for the first 10 people to 100% the game. 203.129.62.180 (talk) 06:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Added to the article 3 days ago. - X201 (talk) 09:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
how did i miss that... 203.129.46.183 (talk) 10:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Local Multiplayer?

Media:Example.oggI know there has been a lot of talk about the multiplayer modes but has there been any news on possible local multiplayer? (i.e. split screen play? like split screen online ) Halo 3 seems to be the only recent game to do this and theres a troubling trend where gamkes will only allow one player on and offline, people who play videogames have real life friends you know! Cpd4224 (talk) 02:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Rumourmill is saying the 360 does not have local splitscreen play, citing resource issues. It's also rumoured the 360 version has less populated enviroments, and some graphical\framerate issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.171.21 (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Might as well cut the "rumourmill" BS and admit that you took it from cgreviews.com, who admitted to being a troll, writing bogus reviews. --nlitement 19:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The game engine

GTA IV WILL be using the Euphoria engine. Yesterday I had edited this in, as the article was displaying old information announced last year (about using the RAGE engine). However someone must've re-edited the article.

I cannot stress how much the RAGE Game engine will NOT be used for GTA IV. It has been talked about countless/millions of times over the internet and GTA IV FAQ's. Gatar99 (talk) 13:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes it will use Euphoria, but it will primarily be created in RAGE. RAGE is the main game engine handling everything except for the physics and character animation which is handled by the Euphoria middleware. I removed your edit yesterday because it made the article look like the game was written wholly using Euphoria. The Euphoria physics are mentioned further down the article. Yes they could do with a bigger mention, but they are mentioned. - X201 (talk) 13:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Euphoria is middleware, which the RAGE engine uses for physics and animation. Its like Valve's source engine using Havok for physics or SpeedTree in Gamebyro. But Euphoria should be mentioned Skeith (talk) 21:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree Euphoria should be mentioned, but it does not belong in the "Engine" line of the infobox. As stated above, it's middleware. xenocidic (talk) 15:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Australian version

http://blogs.smh.com.au/screenplay/archives/017808.html - Seems the Australian version will be censored (as with previous GTA titles). Should this be added to the Controversy section? Frvernchanezzz (talk) 07:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Seems a shame, because of time zones Australia will be one of the first countries that GTA 4 will be released in, a good half day ahead of the American release. It probably should be added to the article, the censored bit I mean, as it is all over a lot of reputable gaming sites. Also of note is that a month ago Rockstar said Australia WONT get a censored version of GTA 4, so it looks like Rockstar lied or was forced to censor their work by the Australia classification board. JayKeaton (talk) 12:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Update: This is confirmed from Gameplanet Store here in New Zealand. It does now appear that New Zealand WILL be getting the same edited version as Australia, even though we have R18. DaMo (talk) 03:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

just a thought worth mentioning, arnt ps3 games region free? if so, shouldnt it be in the article that private importation will be a issue for retailers? - AFL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.234.22 (talk) 12:13, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Niko's Voice Actor

Um, I looked on IMDB and it said Niko's voice actor was Bruce Kronenberg. Shouldn't we add this?--69.124.57.51 (talk) 20:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

What's their source? I think we should wait for official confirmation. Dbam /Contributions 20:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think IMDB is that reliable for unreleased stuff because people can submit anything. I remember once that some people on a forum submitted their screen names for an upcoming movie and it was put online. Bill 20:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Achievements

I think the achievements should added. The list actually gives some more details on what's in the game. There is the achievements list here:GTA IV Achievement List Jaymaster007 (talk) 22:23, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Achievements come under Unsuitable content in the video game guidelines. They're more of a thing for Strategy Wiki or GTA Wiki Bill 22:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Not to mention they aren't confirmed 100% so are still effectively a rumor.JimmyTV (talk) 02:01, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Broken link #4: “GRAND THEFT AUTO IV Game (Multi Platform)”

The question mark is missing in reference # 4 “GRAND THEFT AUTO IV Game (Multi Platform) (2007-12-13). Retrieved on 2007-12-13”. People with privileged access, please add “?” between “html” and “n=46” — that should work. 217.172.21.161 (talk) 14:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Done Bill 14:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Grand_Theft_Auto_IV&action=edit Editing Talk:Grand Theft Auto IV - Misplaced Pages, the 💕

a lot of people are saying this game gives you points for killing maybe it should be noted that no GTA game of the GTA 3 era has gave you points for killing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.220.1.137 (talk) 00:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Location and Setting

Paragraph two of "Location and Setting". Can you say "Redundancy"?

"Setting" can encompass time and place with other smaller elements. It's not really redundant. ♣ Klptyzm ♣ 03:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
But since Setting pretty much covers the location, I'd say that isn't necessary to be mentioned in the heading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emil Kastberg (talk • contribs) 16:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I would agree with Emil. John Hayes 22:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Good, it's done now, then. Emil Kastberg (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

does anyone know what happens when u get wasted

anyone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The real rj (talk • contribs) 02:10, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd imagine that info would be either extremely old and already released or not released at all. I'm not too sure; I haven't been monitoring GTA info closely in the past few months. ♣ Klptyzm ♣ 02:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I believe it's in the article already. Is this what you were after?: "When Niko goes to the hospital, he has to pay $100 and he will keep his weapons. When Niko gets arrested, he has to pay more than $100 and he will lose his weapons." - from the "Environment" section. ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 09:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

ok thanks sorry i didnt sign on the first one--The real rj (talk) 01:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

New section: "Community and online features"??

Does anyone else think it would be worth adding a new section named something like "Community and online features"? It seems like the 'Multiplayer' and 'Social Club' bits would fit better in a section like that instead of under "Differences from previous Grand Theft Auto games" which is a bit vague and seems to be getting a bit unwieldy!

The new section would also be a good place to add some information about plans to offer music downloads via Amazion.com (see http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/grand-theft-auto-iv/gta-iv-unveils-new-music-download-model/1199430 )

Opinions please?

ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 09:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

As no one seems to have any objections, I have gone ahead and made this change. The community and online aspect is something I'm sure is going to grow after the game's release. Please feel free to make any alterations you think are necessary. ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 08:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Multiplayer modes

This article describes all the different multiplayer modes in the game. JACOPLANE • 2008-04-9 11:11

Misplaced Pages is not a game guide. John Hayes 13:14, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Right, but that article is not actually a game guide at all. It merely describes what kind of multiplayer modes will be found in the game, much like can be seen in featured article Halo 2#Multiplayer. JACOPLANE • 2008-04-10 15:14
What he is saying is not that the article you refer to is a guide, put that such information in a[REDACTED] article could/would be considered material more suited to a game guide. And the Halo article makes few references to the game types, but more to the way in which the online network is structured.John.n-irl (talk) 15:43, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Apologies, maybe I should have explained myself better. I assumed you meant from your comment that we should list all the multiplayer modes in the article. This would be against Misplaced Pages policies, and is better suited to something like GTA Wiki. John Hayes 15:47, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

GTA4 possibly delayed

http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment/Grand-Theft-Auto-delays.3961927.jp 218.186.8.12 (talk) 12:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, that has no relevance to the article. Emil Kastberg (talk) 12:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
true 218.186.8.12 (talk) 12:39, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Why not, I would say it is very relavent, if it can be supported by more sources. John Hayes 13:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
All seems quite speculative to me:

The worldwide release of Grand Theft Auto IV could be delayed ... now there are suggestions that if EA succeeds in its planned £1 billion takeover, it will push back the release date even further.

ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 14:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
...And it hasn't been reported very much. I think I saw it on one other site yesterday. ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 14:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that was what I meant. It's nothing but speculation. Not even what could only hypothetically cause the delay is confirmed. Emil Kastberg (talk) 16:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

This is where the rumour started. - X201 (talk) 14:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

GTA IV wont be delayed rockstar wouldnt delay it this close till its released. Plus rockstar needs to get that paper! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.109.178 (talk) 01:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems that we'll find out at this weeks Take 2 shareholders meeting (which is being streamed online too) on whether the takeover will be successful. Also, Jack Thompson (and I hope everyone knows who he is) wants to address the other shareholders at the meeting as a fellow shareholder himself. I think he may hammer the nail into the coffin to be honest. DaMo (talk) 08:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture format

In the infobox, it is stated that the picture formates is 720p (native) and 1080p (upscaled).

Isn't it that only Ps3 has 1080p, and 360 only makes 1080i?

And that Ps3 can have 1080p native?

So it should be Picture format = 720p (native) (Ps3 & Xbox 360), 1080p (Ps3 only)(Native)... 83.108.215.104 (talk) 13:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

No. The PS3 can support native 1080p games (as seen with GT5) but the games have to be developed to run at 1080p and most aren't. As far as I know, GTA IV isn't developed for native 1080p but can be upscaled by the PS3. I don't know about the upscaling abilities of the 360 though.ChimpanzeeUK (talk) 14:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
The 360 can upscale to many resolutions, including 1080. But anyway, the answer is: GTA IV is 720p, as if it was not obvious enough already from the screenshots. --nlitement 14:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but can 360 upscale to 1080p, or just 1080i..? 83.108.215.104 (talk) 15:08, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think upscaled resolution has any place in the infobox (regardless of console). xenocidic (talk) 15:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree, it should just say 720p. If not, it should say: 720p (Native Xbox 360 & Ps3), 1080i & 1080p (Upscaled, 1080p Ps3 only). 83.108.215.104 (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

What is currently on the page is correct by the cited source. Any change you wish to make(concerning different reolutions on the different consoles) must be referencing a reliable source, otherwise no change can be made. John.n-irl (talk) 15:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe Xenocidic is right here. Upscaling is not the basic resolution. 83.108.215.104 (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Then you will need to edit many, many pages on wikipedia. The vast majority of games on current gen consoles are upscaled. John.n-irl (talk) 15:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. xenocidic (talk) 16:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Im aware of that, Im mearly pointing out the precedent. I believe the upscaled figure should be in the article, it is a resolution available to used for the game. Its not like upscaling has no effect on the image quality. John.n-irl (talk) 16:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I disagree, upscaling isn't the game it is the console. For arguments sake the PS4 might run the game and upscale to 1640p. John Hayes 16:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Im not saying that it is the game, mearly that it is capable of being played at the higher resolution. And it is partly the game, the game makes it possble for the console to upscale the texture resolutions etc. Not all games can be upscaled to 1080p, or even 1080i, it is very much part of the games development process/final product and as such should be in the info box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John.n-irl (talk • contribs) 16:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll admit I'm no expert on upscaling, so perhaps this issue might be best taken up at the WPVG so we can get more opinions. xenocidic (talk) 16:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Created discussion here. John.n-irl (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I initially added both, but you guys are right. Upscaling is a function of the system itself, the native resolution is the only one that matters. Rockstar made no mention of resolution differences between systems Skeith (talk) 18:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
If the consensus is to only have 720p, i would request that the "native resolution" line be kept to clarify for readers who may try to change it in the future. John.n-irl (talk) 19:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
I see no problem with that. xenocidic (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

There's an error in the article

In GTA IV: SPECIAL EDITION, the date is MAY 2007. I think that the guy who wrote it wanted to write MAY 2008.161.148.48.218 (talk) 18:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It was anounced in 2007. John.n-IRL 19:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

GTA4 - RROD podcast

Podcast with more GTA4 info JAF1970 (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

PC version?

The other versions have all had PC versions. Is this not coming to PC at all or not with the original release? gren グレン 08:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

See #PC release - kollision (talk) 10:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems like the PC releases of the other recent GTA games have been something of an afterthought, so it's possible that we may see a PD port next year... 71.56.193.217 (talk) 02:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

New information

Well, if you haven't been visiting the GTA IV website, there is some new information available. New radio station names, and new information and tasks on Multiplayer. Apparently, there may be a Co-op mode. http://rockstargames.com/IV/#?page=multiplayer Blackmanor1000 (talk) 15:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

there's a review out from OXB UK

They gave it a 10 out of 10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.126.6 (talk) 18:48 14 April 2008 (UTC)

It was released in the UK first? If so, why isn't it mentioned in the intro and in the infobox? ♣ Klptyzm ♣ 20:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
They reviewed a pre-release copy. TRS-80 (talk) 21:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok. If it hasn't been done, then it needs to be sourced and added. ♣ Klptyzm ♣ 22:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Where's the REAL meat of the article?

What I can't understand is how an article purporting to cover GTA 4 can not include the fact that Rick Astley is never gunna give you up, he's never gunna let you down, never gunna run around and desert you.

How can you even discuss GTA 4 without pointing out that Astley would never make you cry, or say good bye, or tell a lie to hurt you?

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