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This is the result of a challenged prod. Malia Obama is the 9-year-old daughter of U.S. presidential candidate ] and as such has been mentioned trivially in reliable sources and the mentions have always been made in connection with her very notable father. Since mentions of her in these reliable sources has been trivial ]'s ] for notability and the primary argument seems to be that ] and that she is notable because ]. Neither of which, of course, are valid reasons to use to keep or delete an article. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC) This is the result of a challenged prod. Malia Obama is the 9-year-old daughter of U.S. presidential candidate ] and as such has been mentioned trivially in reliable sources and the mentions have always been made in connection with her very notable father. Since mentions of her in these reliable sources has been trivial ]'s ] for notability and the primary argument seems to be that ] and that she is notable because ]. Neither of which, of course, are valid reasons to use to keep or delete an article. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:I am adding ], as it was created as a content fork to avoid deletion of the content in the original article. ''']]''' 23:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC) :I am adding ], as it was created as a content fork to avoid deletion of the content in the original article. ''']]''' 23:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
::Also adding children of candidates and a grandson. Cate Edwards, Wade Edwards, David Eisenhower, Vanessa Kerry. Michelle Obama added but may be re-created after she becomes First Lady. ] (]) 23:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


*'''Speedy Delete''' - non-notable, for sure. ''']]''' 20:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC) *'''Speedy Delete''' - non-notable, for sure. ''']]''' 20:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

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Malia Obama

Malia Obama (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
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This is the result of a challenged prod. Malia Obama is the 9-year-old daughter of U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama and as such has been mentioned trivially in reliable sources and the mentions have always been made in connection with her very notable father. Since mentions of her in these reliable sources has been trivial WP:BIO's basic criteria for notability and the primary argument seems to be that WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS and that she is notable because her father is notable. Neither of which, of course, are valid reasons to use to keep or delete an article. Bobblehead 20:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I am adding Children of American Politicians, as it was created as a content fork to avoid deletion of the content in the original article. Grsz 23:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Also adding children of candidates and a grandson. Cate Edwards, Wade Edwards, David Eisenhower, Vanessa Kerry. Michelle Obama added but may be re-created after she becomes First Lady. Watchingobama (talk) 23:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete - non-notable, for sure. Grsz 20:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete I'd support a redirect to her father's article as well though. Just being the daughter of a notable person doesn't necessarily make you notable yourself. Also this article is so full of fluff (she Likes Hannah Montana and Beyonce, and won't stay at a Hilton to protest Paris Hilton?) I could stuff a pillow with it. Wildthing61476 (talk) 20:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I can fix that Watchingobama (talk) 20:40, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Presidential relatives are the exception. See many previous discussions. Watchingobama (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Where? Tnxman307 (talk) 20:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment What current or former President is she related to? Even if she was, you'd have to point out those previous discussions, since I can find no policy or guideline that states this. — Gwalla | Talk 22:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete or Redirect to Barack Obama. If Malia's father becomes President, there will probably be enough fluff pieces focusing specifically on her in reliable sources to justify an article, but right now she's just a 9-year-old girl. Give her a few more months of privacy at least, per WP:BASICHUMANDECENCY. Oh, sorry — that guideline doesn't exist. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
There is no minimum age to have a Misplaced Pages article written about you. Watchingobama (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Strong keep -

1. notable very, very close relative of one of the most written about politicians in the U.S. today.
2. Many, many other articles of presidential candidates' kids like Wade Edwards, Cate Edwards, Barbara Bush (daughter).
3. Several sources/article about the kid, not the father. These appeared in USA Today, People, New York Daily News, etc.
4. Notable information such as opposition to Hilton Corp. This is not just a stub saying "Malia is daughter of Barack, end of stub"
5. Bobblehead, Tvoz, and Scjessey have been blanking out so they should be counted as one vote.
6. Cate Edwards is not Crap so WP:othercrapexist does not apply.
7. Article hasn't been given a chance to be expanded.
8. Others have added information, templates, infoboxes, references, not just me. Malia is not an obscure school or rock band, she is one of the few senator's daughters that is featured in the news.
9. Also note that there is no minimum age that people must be for them to be included in Misplaced Pages. You don't have to be an adult to have a Misplaced Pages article. We are not showing a naked Malia or revealing her social security number. Watchingobama (talk) 20:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment. 1. No she's not, 2. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, 3. Trivial coverage only, 4. see #1, 5. WP:AGF, 6. see #2, 7. Doesn't need it...it won't, 8. No they haven't, yes she is. 9. Has nothing to do with anything. Grsz 20:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment Sweet mother of pearl, man.. I have not blanked anything. I've made three edits on the article. The first to {{prod}} it, the second to remove two references for an unbelievably trivial comment Barack made about his daughter not wanting to patronize Hilton hotels because of Paris Hilton, and the third edit to tag this article for AFD. As for the rest, see Grsz11's response. --Bobblehead 20:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
People magazine is not trivial, unlike the National Enquirer. Also featured in major newspapers and national newspapers, like USA Today and the New York Times. Why not help write it, not criticize it? Watchingobama (talk) 20:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Becuase all that is being report is that she likes Beyonce and doesn't like Paris Hilton. There's no other notability there, all the articles written supposedly about her are just fluff pieces about the campaign. Where does she have any other notability other than the fact her dad may be the Democratic nominee for president? Wildthing61476 (talk) 20:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
(E/C) I think you misunderstand my meaning. I'm not arguing that the Enquirer is trivial. Rather, I'm saying the coverage was trivial. I.e., it was not an in-depth article about her. It seems like each article has a few lines about her, which is the definition of trivial coverage. Best, --Bfigura 20:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not only lack of notability, but also I think it's not really appropriate to target a 9-year-old child with an article. Maybe an article if she becomes a White House resident (Amy Carter and Chelsea Clinton probably would have gotten articles at the time if WP had existed in 1977 and 1993) but not until then. Wasted Time R (talk) 20:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Per Josiah Rowe; privacy for nine year old child and WP:BASICHUMANDECENCY. (Why is there no essay on that...?)-PetraSchelm (talk) 20:54, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Not applicable. Mother gave interview and revealed info. So no privacy concerns exists. Watchingobama (talk) 21:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Will try, but guaranteed it will be deleted. Article is too long (Mr. Obama) so Malia stuff is guaranteed to be removed. I'll quote you.Watchingobama (talk) 21:01, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete This child is not notable in her own right. The sources are all, essentially, trivial mentions of her - they're really talking about her Dad. After deletion, a redirect is fine. ETA: and it's a coatrack - check the state of the article after this diff - that's after the author and before anyone else edited. SHEFFIELDSTEEL 21:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete. Not notable in own right. The article is simply minor trivia. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Breaking news - The end result of merge/redirect will be information will be lost and deleted. Proof, I added parts (not the whole article) into Barack Obama and it was removed in seconds. Therefore, we MUST keep Malia Obama or some information will be lost. For those who like censorship, merge/redirect can be a ploy to get rid of information they don't like. That's not accusing all merge/redirect supporters of censorship, just that this is the end result. So KEEP and improve. Watchingobama (talk) 21:18, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment You guessed it: Misplaced Pages infact, is a vast right-wing conspiracy. Grsz 21:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment That's sarcasm, right?  Frank  |  talk  21:21, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment What information, the fact she likes Hannah Montana? Again everything in this article is trivial and can be mentioned in the article about her father. Wildthing61476 (talk) 21:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment Why would her being a fan of Hannah Montana be mentioned in her father's article? Even if there were enough non-trivial coverage about Malia to create an article about her, I doubt her liking Hannah Montana would be included. --Bobblehead 21:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment That's my point actually, there's nothing here for an article, and yeah I know that HM stuff wouldn't go into her dad's article. Wildthing61476 (talk) 21:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment Why would it go in any article? It's important to no one besides Miss Obama herself (and Miley Cyrus's accountant, to a small extent). — Gwalla | Talk 22:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Try putting any of Malia's info in the Barack article and it will be deleted pronto. Malia is a kid, I know. Abuse her and attack her in an article, no. But famous children do have articles. Think it's trivial, improve it. There are so many google references, some with good information. Watchingobama (talk) 21:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete: For the purposes of wikipedia, she is no more notable than Barack Obama's coffee mug which is also frequently mentioned by reliable sources. She is a biographical detail in his life, not a notable figure on her own. I would also support the redirect option. --Loonymonkey (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

NEW INFORMATION
See Cate Edwards AFD. Same facts. Some claim she is not notable and wanted the article deleted. It stayed. Fight race discrimination. If you keep Cate Edwards, you must keep Malia Obama. Watchingobama (talk) 21:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Comment - this nonsense has already been covered by linking to Misplaced Pages:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Note: I am not making a comment on the suitability of the other article, just pointing out that it has nothing to do with this AfD.  Frank  |  talk  21:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment Nonsense indeed. There's a significant difference between a 26-year-old woman who has actively campaigned for her father and a 9-year-old girl who is presumably focused on spelling tests. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:50, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Merely being the daughter of a famous politician does not give one sufficient notability. --ElKevbo (talk) 21:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Completely and utterly devoid of any notability, save for being the daughter of a presidential candidate. Since notability is not contagious, I've half a mind to just speedy this as CSD A7 (non-notable biography), but maybe it's worth letting this farce play out. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 21:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete the only thing notable is her father. She can be covered on his page. Redirect Gtstricky 22:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Unless this particular 9 year old girl does something outrageous/outstanding/outspoken to warrant her own article. No evidence of this happening. Delete. As far as "search terms" go, I would be against a redirect also, as it is highly unlikely that some reader, looking for info on Barack, actually types the name of a 9 year old girl instead. Delete, no redirect. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete and redirect to Barack Obama. Could become notable in future as a first daughter. --Dhartung | Talk 22:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep quite sufficient notability already. DGG (talk) 22:20, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Just being related to somebody famous, no matter how closely, does not make one notable. Unless and until she does something important on her own other than include half of a Presidential candidate's DNA, she doesn't get an article. — Gwalla | Talk 22:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete for now. If her dad becomes president, then she may well become more notable, but for now, notability is not inherited. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete and redirect; if someone is looking for an article on this, it's important to have the redirect, which points them to all the information we have on the subject which would be in her father's article. Otherwise, she's just not notable in and of herself. Perhaps if Obama becomes president, she'll have enough notability, but today it's just tabloid news.--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to the article on her father. He's of course plenty notable. There's not that much to be said about her at this point though, and what there is is directly related to their relationship. Aleta 23:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Redirect, without merging, to Barack Obama. Somebody apparently noticed there was no page on young Miss Obama and decided to inflate the "Articles I Have Created" portion of their user page. Pop Secret (talk) 23:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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