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Protection policy

Just leaving a note to remind you about the discussion taking place on Wikipedia_talk:Protection_policy. We'd be happy to have your further input. Cheers, --Ryan Delaney 23:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

We've almost got this wrapped up! Please take a look at Wikipedia_talk:Protection_policy#Content_disputes when you get a chance. Thanks, --Ryan Delaney 20:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

wikiprojects.xml

Did you see the wikiprojects.xml document I posted? – ClockworkSoul 13:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I did, and I'm very impressed. I was going to hold off bowing down in worship until you added the data from CAT:WPB, thereby adding the banners used by each project. Even now though, it's very impressive. Happy‑melon 12:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you notice, though, that it does include banner info? While it doesn't yet directly parse CAT:WPB, it does try to guess the banners by using Special:WhatLinksHere on the project page and pulling out all non-redirect templates that contain the text "Category:WikiProject banners", and then finding the redirects to those templates. This weekend I'll be adding a scan of CAT:WPB just to be sure that the bot isn't missing anything, but it's really just a scan of the same information from the opposite direction. – ClockworkSoul 00:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Opera Project request

Hi. Just wondering whether you can give an estimate of when you might be able to get round to this. Alternatively, can you suggest another bot-owner who could be approached? What with the request having been archived and User:SatyrTN's housebuilding, we seem to have reached an impasse - and what is a WikiProject without an assessment process? (No need to answer that.) Best --GuillaumeTell 17:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Er... it's actually getting there! Depending on how this weekend goes, I might be able to finish it then. I'm afraid SatyrTN has pretty much cornered the market in terms of banner tagging - Betacommand does really massive runs from categories and their subcats, but not (AFAIK) autoassessment. Happy‑melon 20:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the update and nice to know that we toilers in an obscure vineyard haven't been forgotten. --GuillaumeTell 21:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, which I couldn't reply to earlier as I've been away (at the opera, where else?). No problem about using {{WikiProject Opera}}. However, please could you give our articles "class=Start", not "class=B"! And could you ignore

• those already tagged FA, GA or FL
• those tagged "class=Stub" if and only if the article contains {{opera-stub}}. If "class=Stub" is there but there's no opera-stub tag in the article, then we'd like "class=Stub" to be replaced by "class=Start".

Hope that's clear. Do you want to do a short test run for me to have a look at? --GuillaumeTell 21:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, which I also couldn't reply to earlier as I've been away watching bears up in the mountains. Anyway as GT has said {{WikiProject Opera}} is fine. --Kleinzach (talk) 05:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Famous people Saranda

"Famous people" section in Saranda has been reverted. I have added references about them, so I request the rewriting of this section. balkanian (talk) 19:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Backlog at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user

There is currently a backlog of 56 users at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user. Please consider offering adoption to one or more of these users. Don't forget to change their {{adoptme}} template to {{adoptoffer|Happy-melon}}. Thank you for your continued participating in Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-User. xenocidic (talk) 19:43, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Bot operators

Was there an answer to this? Carcharoth (talk) 07:43, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I was looking for an answer, not offering one :D! I wanted to know approximately what percentage of the bot-operating community were BAG members, and I expected that someone there would know the answer more accurately than me. I'd be fascinated to get an exact figure. Happy‑melon 10:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

cite journal template

Thanks for the fix, but the suggested change apparently wasn't correct. Please see Template_talk:cite journal. ASHill (talk | contribs) 19:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The Pristina/Prishtina/Priština RfC and your page move away from Priština to Pristina

I was unable to comment in time (prior to your "Conclusion" and article move) due to circumstances beyond my control. Suffice to say, shortly before the move took place, it was suggested by an involved editor employing questionable evidence. Taken together with the immediacy of the move that followed, the process looks biased and unnecessarily hurried.

I am also bothered by the characterization of consensus as having taken place among "nonpartisan editors". I wonder what that phrase really means, and who is included as nonpartisan. I would like to think that I qualify. This characterization serves no purpose, apart from undermining the impartiality of its author, a party to the editing of Kosovo and its various transformations, forks, and re-unifications, hardly a "nonpartisan editor" himself, if we are tto applyi this rubric at face value. An administrator, he actively advocated a side in this dispute and enforced it on Kosovo all the while calling it a locally arrived at consensus, while Misplaced Pages reality across many articles shows none such.

In any case, I wrote on the RfC page, below the questionable comment, just now. I would like you to re-consider in light of my say the claim of consensus, albeit I made my comment belatedly. I think the evidence I gave has been overlooked, and would like your opinion on that matter. If I may add, one other editor posted a new section after your move producing more evidence that "Pristina" is not a strictly correct English name, only a popularly used one.

As we are fond of saying around here, there is no deadline, and Misplaced Pages is always open to correcting itself. Best wishes. Respectfully, --Mareklug 08:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, and thanks for your contributions to that RfC discussion, both now and when it was in full swing. I'd like to make it clear that my conclusion was in no way affected by Dab's comments or admin status: the timing of the move was entirely coincidental. In particular, his comment vis "non-partisan" editors does indeed appear misplaced. However, in his capacity as an editor he presented a reasoned opinion, which should be given as much weight as that of the other 'involved parties' to the underlying dispute.

It is not my place as an admin to evaluate or judge the evidence presented - that is for the involved parties and contributors to the RfC to do. My job is to evaluate the consensus established by those editors. Even completely disregarding Dab's comments, there is a clear body of support on the RfC, from both involved and uninvolved parties, for the use of "Pristina". If you genuinely feel that the consensus reached in the RfC was wrong, then you could perhaps open a new RfC between "Pristina" and "Priština", but I think that that would probably be considered disruptive. Remember, you're not trying to persuade me that your preference is correct; you are trying to persuade the other parties to that RfC that they should shift their consensus to your version. Happy‑melon 09:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

What pains me the most about this issue is that we are counting heads, and even doing so when presenting evidence -- how many hits on Google News, Google proper, etcetera. Yet Misplaced Pages is not a democracy. I wish complex issues were dealt with admitting complex outcomes, and frankly, where the article is parked is all things considered rather arbitrary and least important. How the name is used in context matters, because it is contextually driven, be it historical Serbian, or contemporary political Kosovan. We have not considered the quality of reasoning, or the distribution of sources (for example, how NGOs and international organizations refer to the city should take precedense over BBC's manual of style, no? Or the agenda of hte United States of America government). We are dealing here with one name, one pronounciation, and three lexical strings representing this one name. Counting heads in some sort of poll is really an inferior means of arriving at encyclopedic usage here. --Mareklug 09:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

An RfC is most definitely not a straight vote - witness the reams of discussion on that page. Consensus is not a simple head count, but must take into account the quality of the arguments presented by each contributor. Pure votes in any direction are simply ignored when evaluating consensus. Misplaced Pages is indeed not a democracy: we are a flexible body of editors who can (hopefully) discuss our way to a compromise on just about anything. Discussion has occured, and the outcome is quite clearly in favour of "Pristina". If you genuinely believe that the many editors who spoke in favour of "Pristina" are wrong, you should open another RfC; but you will be accused of disrupting Misplaced Pages to make a point, because to the majority of Misplaced Pages users, the outcome of that RfC is quite clear. Happy‑melon 10:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Batty

Would you be so kind as to review my Misplaced Pages:Village pump technical question just posted. I'm going batty trying to find the answer. Thanks! GregManninLB (talk) 16:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:WPBannerMeta is a great idea. I've been working to learn WikiProject banner coding so that I could do that very thing (create something akin to Template:WPBannerMeta). I've been using Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Guide/Technical notes as a guide and pestering others with my coding questions, and that got me as far as what you say in Template:Fishproject. I was excited to learn of Template:WPBannerMeta's existence today. To help others, perhaps consider updating Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Guide/Technical notes with your ideas. Best. GregManninLB (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad you like it! I've been meaning to update the Council documentation for a while now: I got around to doing Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Council/Guide/WikiProject a few days ago, but I haven't done all the WikiProject guide stuff. That said, the WPBannerMeta documentation itself is a bit out of date - I really need to make sure that that is up-to-date first of all. Happy‑melon 18:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The things that seem to keep most WikiProjects from growing are the need to do their own progamming and the need to structure their own WikiProject. These things really are secondary to a WikiProjects' purpose - improving articles covered by the WikiProject. WikiProject Military history and WikiProject Biography have no problems in coding their templates and structuring their project pages. But hundreds of other WikiProjects like WikiProject Fishes do. Template:WPBannerMeta is a huge step in providing the less active WikiProjects with all the banner tools they desire to work towards their article improving purpose. Keep up the good work. GregManninLB (talk) 14:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

The da Vinci Barnstar For his enhancement of Misplaced Pages WikiProjects through his work with {{WPBannerMeta}}, I hereby award Happy-melon the da Vinci Barnstar. -- GregManninLB (talk) 14:53, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, thanks! And you even managed to find my award formatting template! Extra brownie points for that :D Happy‑melon 18:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Microwave and User reporting/banning

Recently user Blackhorse1739 posted an obscene and unrelated text in the Microwave Article. Is there a way to report such activity?Wallace (talk) 01:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Template:Songs

Hi, I posted a request on Template talk:Songs and was wondering if you could help. Basically the List and Category class are still appearing as unassessed with this template and I was wondering if you could edit the template so these articles would no longer appear unassessed. Any help you can provide is appreciated.  Orfen  | _Contribs 01:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)