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If the expression to Appletrees' conducts was too hard words to recognize mere a criticism, I'm sorry for you all. I am not Engish native speeker, so I am not good at imaging the word's hardness. Simply to say, I only want a citation for Appletrees' edit that the work was translated from manhwa version as ] says. So I was astonished of Appletress writings in my notes. To tell the truth, I don't know what can we do in that situation, when I'm not all of them. ] (]) 15:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
If the expression to Appletrees' conducts was too hard words to recognize mere a criticism, I'm sorry for you all. I am not Engish native speeker, so I am not good at imaging the word's hardness. Simply to say, I only want a citation for Appletrees' edit that the work was translated from manhwa version as ] says. So I was astonished of Appletress writings in my notes. To tell the truth, I don't know what can we do in that situation, when I'm not all of them. ] (]) 15:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:The thing to do at this point is to civilly discuss your differences at the article's talk page. I'd recommend keeping your edit summaries related to the nature of your edits and avoid discussing another editor's behavior at all in them. Meanwhile, you may want to search for sources as well if you believe that your version is correct, because to this point the label of "] writer" is no more verified than the label of "] writer". Evidently Appletrees is looking for sources. As a final note, though, do let me point out that neither of you should bring your sourcing here. My interactions with the two of you make it imperative that I remain neutral, so I will not be weighing in on the content dispute, only taking whatever action may be necessary in the event of further disruption. --] <sup>]</sup> 16:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
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Hi again. I'm bringing this here further to the above conversation we had about another article by the same author. I'm tempted to tag this for deletion but, am aware it may appear like I have some sort of vendetta or something against the author. Could you have a look and feed me back your opinion. Thanks. Jasynnash2 (talk) 12:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I understand the concern, but I personally would go ahead and tag in such a situation anyway. In this case, it's probably no longer an issue, since somebody else has in the meantime tagged it for PROD.
Generally, if I am concerned that multiple tags may feel bitey, even though I know they're not meant personally, I will leave a note for the creator, something along the lines of "Hi. I don't mean to seem unwelcoming. We appreciate your contributions, but I am concerned that these specific articles do not meet the blahblah guideline" and inviting them to come to my talk page if they need help. You might send them to the drawing board instead if you don't feel like coaching new article creators is something you should/could/want to be doing. I would, but since I'm likely to be the one they meet there, I'd feel like I had stumbled into some kind of Monty Python routine. ("Can I help you?" "You're the girl from the other counter." "No, I'm not." "Yes, you are. You've just put on a fake mustache.") The templated warnings are good, straight-forward and informative, but sometimes the personal touch may help soothe ruffled feelings, I think. :) --Moonriddengirl16:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Cool. thanks for the advise and the chuckle I got out of the Monty Python reference (generally getting my Wednesday off to a good start) Jasynnash2 (talk) 07:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
First to Fight Picture
Hey, I'd like to add a screenshot of the video game Close Combat First to Fight to the page, because I saw a reccomendation there to do so...
But I'm not exactly sure how to do this...
A good way to describe my wiki skills: Abysmal.
Alright, thanks. I'll try that out, and let you know what happens. On computers, you take a screenshot by hitting the button "Print Screen" and pasting into a document or MS Paint. The button is at the top, right, and is usually next to the Scroll Lock.
Thanks for the message. I couldn't work out whether I was just missing the category. Thanks for letting me know. Ged UK (talk) 19:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Well, you seem to have found my meticulous analysis before I could nudge you to towards it! Anyhow, thanks for your further input, and definitely look to see me seeking further advice on those "gray" areas. as an editor, I must admit I may have fired off a few tags I wasn't sure about (heck, NPP is a race these days - it really shouldn't be), but as an admin, I won't be shooting from the hip. I will stand by my pledge not to delete anything that's not clearly, plain-as-day within criteria until I gain a greater understanding of them. anyhow, I appreciate the time you spent on reviewing my RFA and your comments on it (both for and against). imo, it's important in the RFA process that admins bring to light the deleted contributions that editors can't see. I've left some templated thank-spam for you below =) see you again soon! xenocidic (talk) 03:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This user page is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. It was last substantively updated 14 August 2008. If you want to revive discussion regarding the subject, you might try contacting the user in question or seeking broader input via a forum such as the village pump. It was last substantively updated 14 August 2008.
My RFA standards are still being refined, but I rarely base my support on arbitrary cut-offs like number of edits, or length of time editing. More often I will attempt to determine the clue level of a candidate. If high levels of clue are present, they will earn my support, regardless of whether or not they have 5000 non-huggle edits and 6 months of regular activity. This is based on a fairly brief review of their contributions, moreso on their answers to the questions. I have an optional question that I often pose to candidates that helps with this.
Self-noms and the acceptance line
Neglecting to follow the bolded instruction #6 to delete the acceptance line in the self-nomination instructions will cause me to register a neutral unless a preponderance of clue has already been detected.
I do this because it is a fairly simple and easy instruction to follow. Not following it is (in my opinion) indicative of a deeper tendency to not thoroughly read and follow instructions generally. Adminship is no big deal, but applying for adminship is. The fact that a candidate hasn't fully versed themselves in the process of RFA prior to jumping in doesn't build confidence that they will accurately follow guidelines and policies in applying administrative actions.
An example of how this could apply to a real-world admin situation: When blocking for an inappropriate username, it is customary to uncheck the "Prevent account creation" and "Autoblock any IP addresses used" boxes. However, an admin who doesn't thoroughly follow instructions might not do this and as such Misplaced Pages could lose an otherwise constructive contributor.
One user has mentioned that leaving this line in could be justified by ignore all rules. Quite frankly, I disagree. There is no good reason to ignore this rule, and following it is painless. Attention to detail is a quality I value in an administrator.
As I mentioned, leaving this line in isn't always a deal breaker and if the candidate's actions indicate to me that this oversight is an anomaly, I may change to, or otherwise support. Furthermore, if they remove the line using only a herring, I will most certainly lend my support, though I may ask that they first bring me a shrubbery.
I would like to thank the community for placing their trust in me during my recent request for adminship, which passed 72 13 2 . Rest assured, I have read each comment thoroughly and will be addressing the various concerns raised as I step cautiously into my new role as janitor. In particular, I would like to thank Balloonman for putting so much time into reviewing my contributions and writing such a thoughtful nomination statement after knowing me for only a brief period of time (and for convincing me that I was ready to take up the mop now, rather than go through admin coaching).
To my fellow admins - please let me know right away if I ever take any mis-steps with my new tools. Should I make a mistake, and you reverse the action, I will not consider it to be wheel-warring (but please tell me so I can understand what I did wrong).
To everyone - please feel free to slap me around a bit if I ever lose sight of the core philosophy of Misplaced Pages as I understand it - the advancement of knowledge through the processes of mutual understanding and respect. As always, feel free to drop by my talk page if I can be of any assistance. =)
I just created this page (my first[REDACTED] entry :)) and it got deleted as advertising. I wanted to add a page about Shi Fu Parks as he is an accomplished Shaolin master and there are very few in the world who both have lineage and amazing teachings. I've learnt under him for many years now, and I guess I thought it would be interesting to have him on Misplaced Pages, but I can understand that maybe what I posted was a bit much. Any recommendations as to how to fix the tone of my post, or is it simply inappropriate content?
Hi. :) It's not necessarily inappropriate to include an article on him, though since you obviously have a personal connection to him you would need to be very careful to be neutral in tone and to only include reliably sourced information. One of the problems when you have a personal connection to an article's subject is that you may be tempted to include information that you know to be true but can't verify. "Verifiability" is one of the core content policies on Misplaced Pages; we try to make sure that everything here can be substantiated by our readers. This is important because, since anyone can add material, they can't necessarily trust our content otherwise. Sadly, not everybody who adds content here is telling the truth. :/
What you would want to look at first, though, is our notability guideline individuals. In order to establish an article on this man, you should demonstrate that he is notable by those guidelines, which almost always means demonstrating that he is being talked about by sources like magazines, newspapers, and respectable unaffiliated websites. If you aren't able to demonstrate that he meets that guideline, then whether the material is regarded as promotional or not the article is likely to be deleted, either through the speedy criterion specifically for unimportant biographies or one of the other steps in the deletion process.
I appreciate your checking on this, and I would be more than happy to discuss this further with you. I am not that knowledgeable about martial arts, but I may be able to help you determine if your sources meet guidelines and if an article is likely to survive. Although we do have to keep an eye on articles (I like the way you put it :)), we do appreciate your contribution as we rely on just that very impulse to give us new content. (Since this is your first Misplaced Pages entry, I'll risk pointing out the obvious, that there are all kinds of policies guidelines tucked behind the colored text above.) I hope you won't let this experience discourage you, and even if you decide that this article may not be appropriate at this time, hope you will continue to contribute to Misplaced Pages. :) --Moonriddengirl19:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Followup on Jason Parks article
Thanks heaps for the great response. I'll go and read up on everything and then reassess. I may try to put something up again in a few days if he meets the guidelines and if so I'll be sure to write it in a neutral tone and reference everything. Thanks! Have a great day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greebogreebo (talk • contribs) 19:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Can you look at Fubixing, please? I tagged it as blatant copyright violation, (and it got deleted as that) because he posted a transcript of a copyrighted video. Does that still count as copyright violation? Or should I have tagged it with something else, or PROD-ed it? Thanks for you help, J.delanoyanalyze19:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
You do find the most interesting situations. :D While I'm not a copyright attorney, I do believe that a transcript qualifies as a derivative work, which is the reason why we cannot link to those ubiquitous lyrics sites that contain the lyrics to songs. Even if somebody sat down and listened for themselves, the lyrics remain copyrighted, and only the copyright holder has the legal right to create and spread derivative works. So, yes, that was a good tag, imo. I would have deleted it, too. :) --Moonriddengirl20:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much! That means quite a lot to me, as I found that easily among the most complicated and time-consuming AfDs I've ever attempted to close. :) I believe by the time the merge was finished, it had taken about two hours. Mind you, it helps quite a lot when AfD contributors make such clear and cogent arguments. :) --Moonriddengirl
David Warburton
I do not agree with your logic for removal and view such disrespect as an insult to the him. David has completed many hours of community based work and in my opinion should be rewarded for his efforts. He has become a cult icon in the surrounding regions and i personally view such deletion as placing a detriment on his character.
Hi. :) While I'm glad to hear that David, inventor of the "warbidance", enjoys so much local acclaim,I'm afraid that he may not yet meet Misplaced Pages's standards of inclusion. Take a look at WP:BIO to see the kinds of things that Misplaced Pages looks for in articles related to people. If there are reliable sources to verify that he meets those guidelines, then Misplaced Pages would welcome a serious article about him. Meanwhile, though we appreciate your attempt to lighten up Misplaced Pages, articles are intended to be serious. If you'd like to experiment with editing, try the sandbox, where you can write (almost) whatever you want. --Moonriddengirl11:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
A7 reply
Hi there. Thanks for your message. With that article when I saw it, I just knew it wasn't notable, but was sort of related to people, at least in the sense that real people operate the characters, if that makes sense. Sorry for getting it wrong, I'll know for next time just to mark it as AfD or stick a notablility tag on. Ged UK (talk) 15:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Talk page stalker!
So you're like me! Refactor reply - I replied on their talk page, but copied it to my page. Improper usage of the term? As far as getting the hang of things, I've so far only blocked the test accounts (naughty, naughty test accounts), but I've deleted a potentially sensitive revision. Other than that, haven't done much. Was busy yesterday, and still getting my thank-spam out. =) xenocidic (talk) 17:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Great addition to the TPS page there. and you thought you didnt have it in you ;>. i wouldn't mind you taking a quick look at my deletions - I've been really sticking to the non-controversial for now, but what I've been doing is watching some of the more controversial ones, saying in my head what criteria I would've used and seeing if it matches the closing admin's action. I goofed on one of the deletion reasons at -4UTC-15:52, June 6, 2008 (pasted the wrong thing)... no biggie? it was during all that page-move vandalism madness. also, you might be interested in checking out my admin dashboard. Feel free to steal borrow whatever you want, or you can even transclude the page and it should work fine (and then you can benefit from any additions as I improve it ;>). xenocidic (talk) 02:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
It all looks good to me. I like your substitution of rationale at J.D. Mann. (And I like that I can discuss this with you with only links, since you can see it yourself. :)) I didn't look at your U2s and your G6s. I looked through all of your A10s and verified that the authors had been warned by the taggers. (So as I could see if you filled in that step when it was missed. It's not required, as it is with G12, but it's jolly good practice. :))
The only one that I would have handled differently is Logan Haffner. It needed to be deleted, but I don't think it technically fit the criterion, even though I see a lot of people tag (and delete) that kind of stuff that way. It made sense to me. :) I myself would have deleted it as a G3, vandalism, as a blatantly unencyclopedic page. (Blatant and obvious misinformation, in this case. Note that the definition of vandalism also includes "creating nonsensical and obviously non-encyclopedic pages, etc".) If I delete an article as vandalism, I always make sure that the creator has either a uw-create template left on his or her page (generally I started with Uw-create2 or, if the creation seems to have been more silly than malicious, I'll sometimes leave Uw-joke1. In any event, the article needed to go, and I don't think that the majority of admins addressing CSDs would have any issue whatsoever with your deleting it as G1, though I can think of a couple of regulars at Talk:CSD who would. :)
By the way, I had a look at User talk:Apokolypz to see that the tagger treated it like vandalism (which I think is good), but that talk page really raised my eyebrows. The contributor has one contribution. Seems he is also Tonykeeper (talk·contribs) and Dislecksik (talk·contribs), based on the history of the usertalk page. Very odd.
Occasionally I've goofed on deletion rationales. I don't think it's a big deal, unless it's a case where the creator may later visit the deletion log to learn a reason and be misled. In those situations, we'd probably undelete and redelete with the correct rationale. In this situation, I wouldn't worry about it at all. :D
How is it going with watching to see what other admins are doing? One caveat there: before following suit, you might want to check the admin's talk page to see how often they come up at DRV. :) I can think of a couple of admins who are quite liberal in their application of the tools.
I have myself branched out in the last month to more controversial deletions. I did CSDs for about 7 months before really delving into AfDs. Now, when I have time (busy time at work) and the CSD backlog is small, I'll head over to see what's been hanging around. Naturally, the ones that are hanging around are the ones nobody wants to touch. :)
I've taken a look at your dashboard--seems quite handy! If I can find a good place in my userspace, I may transclude it. Otherwise, I might just link to it and click over to look at it in your place. --Moonriddengirl12:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks moon, I'll definately take those suggestions under advisement. I came across this one today: Tendai Madzorera. Not sure why the writer is requesting deletion, as the article meets the inclusion criteria, in fact, I even found a source via Google News. what is the reccomended course of action in a case like this? (never mind, that news article was for someone else with the same name) P.S. as for the dashboard, I don't know if you noticed it but it has some neat functionality where if there are more than 0 attack pages or wikipedians looking for help, or more than 50 articles needing CSD, those rows turn red. when there are more than 0 empty or user-requested pages for deletion, those rows turn green. xenocidic (talk) 22:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Eep! I didn't look far enough up the page this morning. :) Very cool dashboard stuff. I like snazzy cody things that I can't do. :D --Moonriddengirl20:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Diamond Bar Crunch and I-710
Hi, thanks for removing pink tag from my comments. Diamond Bar Cruch is rarity in Southern California, locate almost at West Covina. You ever been to California before, and do you work on Highway pages. NE2 just puts pink tags on article he thinks is bad. About the 710 Frwy extension, do you think is possible? Becasue I don't think so. 710 even is north 9 mi-extension can damage Aquaruim of Pacific. You you know about the 710 Frwy story?--Freewayguy19:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. No problem, as it was not a standard speedy deletion criterion. If the nominator feels strongly that the page doesn't belong, he or she may decide to go through MfD, but I'm not sure what reason he or she wanted the deletion in the first place.
I do not work on highway pages, and I have not been to California since I was a baby. :) I live on the opposite coast and am not familiar with freeway issues in that region. --Moonriddengirl21:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Speedy deletion request
Hi there. Could you please take care of the following CSDs for pages I (unwisely) created?
All of this was done months ago, and I have since decided that, however mild the harm to the project might be, it is still non-zero harm and so they should be taken care of. Thanks so much! --Jaysweet (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
On a side note, the Anglophilately thing accidentally turned out to be a bit of a case study of the ridiculous and terrifying power of Misplaced Pages mirrors to amplify destructive edits. When I (foolishly) created that article eight months ago, there were zero Google hits for Anglophilately -- and now...
I had one here on my very talk page--although it wasn't a typical BLP concern in that the subject introduced it himself. Check it out. :) --Moonriddengirl17:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh dear! That thread almost gives me second thoughts about using my real name to edit Misplaced Pages. Heh, oh well.. --Jaysweet (talk) 18:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
This image is, um, one of those images that somehow appears here on Misplaced Pages even though it is actually on Commons. Last night (my current time is UTC-4) I was patrolling Recent Changes with Twinkle, and I saw someone create this page with the text "i love you", but they did not upload an image. I have never tagged an image page page for speedy deletion before, so I had no idea which tag to use. I ended up tagging it with CSD I8 (an image which is a bit-for-bit copy of an image on Commons). It has not yet been deleted, but I know that that tag was not entirely correct, because no new image was uploaded. Should I have just tagged it as db-G2? Thanks for your help. J.delanoyadds14:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Possibly. I don't think there's anything wrong with I8 in this case. Either way, I think that an explanation might be a good idea. Too bad there's no room in that template for comments! I think I would have placed an I8 deletion tag manually and either explained my rationale in the edit summary or added a pointer to the talk page and explained in there. In any event, I went ahead and deleted this one. :) --Moonriddengirl14:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
CSD-G5
I feel that your deletion of User:Ziggy_Sawdust/Avril was not compliant with CSD G5, given that the page had substantial contributions from other users, as far as I can see. My personal opinion is that the page should go, but unless at attempt at rougeness is being made, CSD isn't the way to go... Martinp2317:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
There. It's back, and I've removed the CSD tag. :) Feel free to follow whatever other process seems appropriate. --Moonriddengirl17:48, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
About Wireless Intelligent Answer Sheet
Dear friend, just please tell me how can I convience you that WIAS is my patented invention and as it's going to be manufactured I need to publish it on the net and say to the world what is WIAS and how it works.
At the next days my website would be published and you can see more about WIAS.
I'm ready to e-mail you my patent in order to see WIAS is mine.
Please don't remvoe my article on wiki.
Just tell me what i've to do in order not to speedy deletion!
--Schahinap (talk) 06:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Your latest version of this article was deleted before I logged in today by another administrator. It seems to me that what you need here is to locate a webhost that is appropriate for this material. There are several policies and guidelines that apply here. First, we have a standard of notability. While there are several other specific factors that may make a topic notable, the standard here is widespread coverage in reliable sources, such as newspapers, magazines or independent websites. Also, as I explained at your talk page, Misplaced Pages is not for promoting material or for publishing original inventions. And, again, it is problematic that you have a clear conflict of interest in this case.
There is no one that I know of disputing that WIAS is your patented invention or that it's going to be manufactured. At issue here, though, is that Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, a compendium of previously published information. It is not here to spread information about new products or inventions. If at some point WIAS meets the notability guidelines, it is quite likely that someone will create an article about it. However, that should not be you.
I am realtively new to wiki and was hoping you could provide some of your expertise. I had some photos I thought were properly annotated with fair use rationale for the sam & dave wiki site. Apparently they werent, so they were taken down
I notice you did a nice fair use for the hold on im comin sam & dave cover. Would you be willing to assist me in re-posting several images to the sam & dave wiki site? I would be happy to send you the images, I just want to make sure the bases are covered with a proper fair use disclosure. They include some pr shots that were distributed publicly, a magazine cover and a a few album covers.
I can be reached at <email blanked for privacy concerns>
Hi. When working on albums on Misplaced Pages, I follow the steps listed here to upload an album cover. I have on occasion ventured into the world of book covers, as set out here. That's the extent of it. And even if I were 100% dead familiar with Misplaced Pages's policies on adding images, I do not know how the sam & dave wiki feels about it. (I spent a few minutes, but couldn't locate a sam & dave wiki. I thought perhaps they might have an image policy page I could find.) What I'm saying here, basically, is that images are not my strong point, and that what I believe to be true of Misplaced Pages's policies may not apply to another Wiki. Misplaced Pages:Non-free content even indicates that it applies to the English Misplaced Pages, which means that it wouldn't necessarily be true on the hundreds of other language Wikipedias run by the Wikimedia Foundation.
So, from what I understand from that policy as applies to English Misplaced Pages, PR photos and magazine covers may not fit Misplaced Pages's fair use guidelines for non-free content. That policy says of PR photos, "A photo from a press agency (e.g. AP), unless the photo itself is the subject of sourced commentary in the article. This applies mostly to contemporary press photos and not necessarily to historical archives of press photos (some of which are later donated into the public domain: example)." I have no idea when a photo becomes historical. That's one that I would have to ask about myself if I wanted to post the photo here. With the magazine cover, it could come down to how it is used. Misplaced Pages lists as unusuable "A magazine cover, to illustrate the article on the person whose photograph is on the cover" but adds that "However, if the cover itself is the subject of sourced discussion in the article, and if the cover does not have its own article, it may be appropriate." I would interpret that "may" to mean that if the cover itself is notable and discussed, it's probably okay. For example, Demi Moore made some big waves when she posed nude & pregnant for _Vanity Fair_ in 1991. It still gets press coverage 17 years later.(See here and here.) If I weren't entirely sure if it was notable enough for discussion, I'd probably seek feedback on that, too. As far as album covers are concerned, Misplaced Pages is okay with their use in articles about the albums, but is not okay with their use in discographies. There are also issues related to the size of the image; Misplaced Pages requires that they not exceed a certain size to reduce the risk that they will be used to create bootleg covers.
In your position, I would probably look for a help desk or image policy page on the Wiki where your images were removed and ask for assistance there from somebody familiar with the image policies in place there. Failing to find that, I'd try to track down the administrator who deleted them to ask for assistance in figuring it out. On Misplaced Pages, there is a deletion log to tell users which administrator deleted what.
If I can provide you any more assistance from this end, I would be happy to, but in terms of uploading images on your behalf, I'm not sure I'm the best person for the job. :) If you'd like assistance looking for a help desk or image policy page, feel free to give me the URL for the wiki and I'll see what I can come up with. Good luck! --Moonriddengirl11:58, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know why this user keeps violating No personal attack as he left this at his summary field. In this situation, I can't work with continued offender I don't think WP:AGF is effective in this situation. --Appletrees (talk) 11:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Besides, his reverting does not meed the standard of the naming convention for Korea or Koreans (WP:NC-KO), surname always comes first, but he carelessly revert it to Japanese naming convention. That kind of behaviors does not look from good faith--Appletrees (talk) 11:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I have given him a final warning, as he has now reverted the page twice since his last block. Your second edit was not a reversion, but an obvious effort to create a consensus version, here. I strongly encourage you to find reliable sourcing to put an end to the dispute. Find some source to support the man's genre as a writer or to support what genre the publication is, and you will be in a far better position to persuade others in the content dispute that your opinion is the correct one. There is not a lot else I can do here at the moment. I can protect the page, but a protected page will be saved in whatever version it is in at the time protection is implemented. I do not see that edit summary as a blockable personal attack. The fact that he is himself gaming the system and his filing at ANI shows he knows better, almost. --Moonriddengirl12:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I also realized that the original version (which means the version before he or the OCN anon edited the article) did have have enough references to explain its publication as manhwa. I've been searching reliable resources since our initial edit warring occurred, but there is very scarce English sources on that. (the term manhwa is more known to France or Germany than the US or English speaking world), so I think I have to translate contents in likelihood of backup for my claim from Korean sources to English. In the process, I'm also getting to know that the animated movie was made from a cooperation by a Japanese and Korean company. So I think I will shape my claim in a better position. However, it would take some time for me to do such things, so we have more time on this. As for his edit summary, I admit that I'm very sensitive and easily getting upset to any verbal attack or incivility. Of course, WP:CIVIL policy should be applied upon me as well. --Appletrees (talk) 12:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I checked the history of the article further and know that I missed {{User|Azukimonaka or the OCN anon's blanking the info regarding the collaboration with a Korean and Japanese company in the introbox. So anime (the term for Japanese animation) is not fit in the case as well as Jazz claims --Appletrees (talk) 13:02, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Non-English sources are fine if there is no English equivalent. WP:V indicates that "any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citations." I think that sourcing must be your answer here. As far as civility is concerned, I am sympathetic. The general Misplaced Pages perspective is that unless incivility is severe, it's generally not met with a block unless it's systematic. And I do mean severe. This edit did not receive an immediate block, though the editor was eventually blocked for sockpuppetry. WP:CIVIL suggests ignoring incivility if you can. If you can't, you may want to visit WP:WQA, but I would only go with clear examples of strong incivility. --Moonriddengirl13:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
If the expression to Appletrees' conducts was too hard words to recognize mere a criticism, I'm sorry for you all. I am not Engish native speeker, so I am not good at imaging the word's hardness. Simply to say, I only want a citation for Appletrees' edit that the work was translated from manhwa version as WP:source says. So I was astonished of Appletress writings in my notes. To tell the truth, I don't know what can we do in that situation, when I'm not all of them. Jazz81089 (talk) 15:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The thing to do at this point is to civilly discuss your differences at the article's talk page. I'd recommend keeping your edit summaries related to the nature of your edits and avoid discussing another editor's behavior at all in them. Meanwhile, you may want to search for sources as well if you believe that your version is correct, because to this point the label of "manga writer" is no more verified than the label of "manwha writer". Evidently Appletrees is looking for sources. As a final note, though, do let me point out that neither of you should bring your sourcing here. My interactions with the two of you make it imperative that I remain neutral, so I will not be weighing in on the content dispute, only taking whatever action may be necessary in the event of further disruption. --Moonriddengirl16:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi
Hi, MoonG. I got back from my trip. I'm still a little short of sleep, even though I turned down a late-night social activity nearly two days ago: I'm not a night owl. I still posted a bit to Misplaced Pages while I was away, so maybe nobody noticed I was gone! (I even had 10 minutes in a cyber cafe while everybody else was ordering food in a restaurant. My excuse was to contact another person, who actually came and joined us at the restaurant. Well, that was the excuse for the first 5 minutes of the online time; and if there hadn't been another customer waiting to use that computer I might still be there...)☺ Coppertwig (talk) 12:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Fabric Structure - speedy deletion info
Thank you for your note. However, this is not a copyright infringement. This information is on our website, and I have referenced that. Also, we do have permission from Fabric Architecture (IFAI). I can fax you the document if needed. Please advise. Mtc38118 (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I've answered your question at the article's talk page and will duplicate that here:
Hi. As I pointed out at your talk page, the page from which the information is duplicated, here as online version, indicates that "Information provided herein adapted and reprinted with permission from Fabric Architecture, a publication of the Industrial Fabrics Association International (IFAI)." This assertion of permission does not verify that the material here has been released per GFDL, which means in part that it can be used commercially or noncommercially, altered and redistributed as Misplaced Pages's readers see fit, so long as authorship credit is maintained. If you have permission from IFAI to release this information according to GFDL, you should send an email with verification to "permissions-en (at) wikimedia (dot) org". See Misplaced Pages:Requesting copyright permission for instructions. Once verification is received, the copyright notice can be removed from the article and the contents restored, although other issues that have led to its prior deletion may still exist. I'll take a look at that in a minute, after I've properly filed your incomplete permission assertion for further evaluation. --Moonriddengirl14:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
