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| ::: Here's the actual census summary: . Listed are Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian, Moldavian, Gagausian, Jewish, Belarussian, Armenian, Gipsy, the last representing 4,000 persons or 0.2%. ''—] ] <small>2008-06-25 17:02 z</small>'' | ::: Here's the actual census summary: . Listed are Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian, Moldavian, Gagausian, Jewish, Belarussian, Armenian, Gipsy, the last representing 4,000 persons or 0.2%. ''—] ] <small>2008-06-25 17:02 z</small>'' | ||
| :For a good quote on ethnography, see ] - the idea is that Romanians and Moldovans are actually the same, but the latter, having undergone half a century of Soviet brainwashing to tell them they weren't Romanian, and paint Romania as evil, no longer call themselves Romanian. (Note how in 1930, of people in Bessarabia - which includes part of Odessa Oblast - declared as Romanian, but 0% as Moldovan.) So keeping "Romanian/Moldovan" would merely clue readers in to the fact that we're talking about the same people here. | |||
| :''However'', since you did present census data, for which I thank you, I suppose we could for the time being keep the current version - not that there was anything wrong with the previous one. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 02:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Odessa or Odesa
According to the Ukrainian spelling, the name is Odesa, not the Russian name for it, and so it should be changed to that, just like Kyiv and Kiev —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adolf23653 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I would agree. The use of Odessa (the former name from the Russian version) is as illogical as the use of Bombay (now redirecting in Misplaced Pages to Mumbai). I understand that there are lots of issues with Russian versus Ukraninian nationalism in the choice of name (just look at the rows that have gone on over Kyiv or Kiev!), but some sort of consistency throughout Ukraine would be welcome. In nearly all other cases, the Ukranian version is now being used for oblasts in Misplaced Pages. Skinsmoke (talk) 18:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Latin Europe
Hello Odesa Oblast! There is a vote going on at Latin Europe that might interest you. Please everyone, do come and give your opinion and votes. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Should be Odesa Oblast, not Odessa oblast with two ss.
Ok, I can agree on the name of the city Odesa that is spelled as Odessa in English. But why Odesska oblast spells with two ss? I think it should be change to Odesa Oblast with one s. --68.44.228.126 (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Requested move
Talk:Odessa Oblast – Odessa Oblast → Odesa Oblast – to change the current name. Odessa Oblast to Odesa Oblast with one S
- Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation and sign your vote with ~~~~
- Support I believe that the name should be changed from Odessa Oblast to Odesa Oblast, since this is the correct translation from Ukrainian to English. And Ukrainian is the only official language in Ukraine. --Oleg Kikta (talk) 20:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose Per WP:NC and per similar move request at Talk:Kiev Oblast. Odessa is the established English name of the city, and the correct Ukrainian version would be Odeska Oblast, thus Odesa Oblast is WP:NOR and silly because it breaks consistency with the parent article of the Oblast's admin centre. --Kuban Cossack 19:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Moldovans
Given that Romanians and Moldovans are considered by reliable ethnographers to be the same, and given that (in all likelihood, though if someone has actual census data I'd be glad to revise my opinion) at least some people from the oblast declared as Romanian and some as Moldovan, I hope there are no objections to continuing listing them together. Biruitorul 14:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- The census had a write-in ethnicity field, so if Moldovans decided they're Moldovans, and not Romanians, let them be.Xasha (talk) 14:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see why there's a debate. Our job is merely to report what the census or another source says. We can report how many people declared themselves Moldovans or Romanians, or we can report that some source says there are a lot of Romanians. Biruitorul, please cite some reliable ethnographers to advance the argument.
- Here's the actual census summary: scroll to Odesa oblast. Listed are Ukrainian, Russian, Bulgarian, Moldavian, Gagausian, Jewish, Belarussian, Armenian, Gipsy, the last representing 4,000 persons or 0.2%. —Michael Z. 2008-06-25 17:02 z
- For a good quote on ethnography, see here - the idea is that Romanians and Moldovans are actually the same, but the latter, having undergone half a century of Soviet brainwashing to tell them they weren't Romanian, and paint Romania as evil, no longer call themselves Romanian. (Note how in 1930, 56.2% of people in Bessarabia - which includes part of Odessa Oblast - declared as Romanian, but 0% as Moldovan.) So keeping "Romanian/Moldovan" would merely clue readers in to the fact that we're talking about the same people here.
- However, since you did present census data, for which I thank you, I suppose we could for the time being keep the current version - not that there was anything wrong with the previous one. Biruitorul 02:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
