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| ::That was precisely my point Spawn. What the heck do MP's meals have to do with grace? They can eat whatever they like whenever they wish to do so, it doesn't have anything to do with parliamentary tradition or procedure. This all sounds very unhinged, and you seem to be scraping the barrel to find ways to insult Helen Clark. Attack her politics if you want, but the stuff about her teeth/family/whatever is really very poor form. ] 04:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC) | ::That was precisely my point Spawn. What the heck do MP's meals have to do with grace? They can eat whatever they like whenever they wish to do so, it doesn't have anything to do with parliamentary tradition or procedure. This all sounds very unhinged, and you seem to be scraping the barrel to find ways to insult Helen Clark. Attack her politics if you want, but the stuff about her teeth/family/whatever is really very poor form. ] 04:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC) | ||
| : ('''''Please read whole article before making assumption''''')??? You must be joking??? Never ever ever say I'm "scraping the barrel". Sure I don't like Helen Clark, but get '''your''' facts straight matey potatey. For example, just last night it was on the news that there was a '''Tax payer's lunch for the new MPs in parliament''' (I made it bold cause your view is so narrow). You of course would know this, cause you have your facts straight (snicker). Usually you see, at the beginning of these sorts of meals, they would all say grace before indulging in a tax payer paid lunch/dinner. But of course you'd know that cause you have your facts straight (snicker). So when she got into parliament, she stopped grace. But of course how would I know that, I'm just scraping the barrel, picking the crop, slaughtering the runt, creeping the truth, chalking the goat. I wouldn't know anything would I now Stewpid?... Ooops, I mean Kewpid... Yes, I'm just some urban parasite that knows nothing. But do you really think that once in a while, Helen Clark etc, can organise a luch for parliament? Especially on a post election day? ''No! Can't be true? He's making it up!''. Of course she can Stewpid... Sorry, I mean Kewpid. But you would know, cause you have your facts straight, (snicker). It's not like I live in New Zealand or anything. Oh wait, silly me, I '''do''' live in '''New Zealand'''!! Where do you live 'Dan'?? Let me guess, let me guess!!! Wait...It's coming to me... You...Live in...'''Sydney Australia'''?? Yes!! I got it!! So you're '''actually''' arguing with someone in New Zealand, over '''New Zealand issues''', even though '''you live in Australia???!!!!''' You must have real nerve. Mind you, most Australians have the same arogant, "step over your dead body to get ahead", competitive personality... So, I don't blame you '''DAN''' for being as pig-headed as you are. It's just your country's nature. So anyway, I won't argue with you about issues in '''your''' country, so you don't assume you know whats going on in '''mine'''. Any comments? I'd love to hear them ('''NOT'''), so place a memo on my talk page or on here. | |||
| For more information, see below excerpt (under the title '''BIAS'''). Have a nice day Stewpid, sorry Kewpid. =) | |||
| P.S. I like your pic of the blue rose. Also, just so you know, our country sucks because of Helen Clark. If you think she's sooo great, I'll gladly swap places with you in Australia (Yay, Themeparks!!) ] 06:11, 22 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::(If anyone is offended by my deeply radical stance against the evil new zealand hitler, Helen Clark, I am not actually sorry, but will say to your face that I am just to keep you from going on at me forever & ever & ever. Remember, it's only one man's opinion. Just because I said it, doesn't mean you have to agree with it or like it ] 06:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)) | |||
| == Bias == | == Bias == | ||
| This whole article shows Helen Clark in a very negative light. She is well respected internationally. I will start removing this POV soon, and redress the balance, when I have some time. ] 10:11, 18 September 2005 (UTC) | This whole article shows Helen Clark in a very negative light. She is well respected internationally. I will start removing this POV soon, and redress the balance, when I have some time. ] 10:11, 18 September 2005 (UTC) | ||
| :: Oh get over it... No one paints her in a negative light, she does most of the work her self, (unless she only signs 'her' work after getting someone to do it for her). Come on, I have a whole list of the stuff she's done... | |||
| * 1. Supports the Maoris beyond belief. The ] was not meant for all this claiming the maoris do. It was only put in place to make sure that maoris get treated the same as europeans. But ooooooh noooooo! Can you believe, & this may sound crazy to non-New Zealanders, the Maoris actually requested the rights of lakes, rivers, & even the beaches. This would mean that only peoples of Maori descent would be able to step foot on that land. This is even more crazier, as the Maori are only a minority in New Zealand. Not only that, but the government actually gave billions of dollars to the Maori in the past few years, money that could have helped our education or health systems. | |||
| * 2. Stopped grace before parliament meals, a tradition which had been in place since its opening. | |||
| * 3. Said she painted a painting for charity, when she had really payed someone else to do it for her. She then signed it knowing she hadn't done it. But for some reason, all the other MPs managed to paint their own paintings for charity. She was the only one who made a big deal out of it. | |||
| * 4. Sped over the limit to get to a rugby game on time, then lets the police driving her get the blame, even though an experiment shows that she would have noticed the speed she was going in the back because she would be flying all over the place. She says she was "too busy on what she was doing". Well what was she doing in the back?? Doing drugs with the Green party? | |||
| * 5. Didn't fired Benson Pope over allegations that he stuck tennis balls down his pupil's throats. In fact she didn't even do an inquiry. | |||
| * 6. Didn't fire the police commissioner over the 111 deal. Especially the sending a taxi for Alana Ashby. They still haven't found her. Just so non-New Zealanders know, Alana Ashby, a young woman, called 111 (our emergency phone no.) to request the police. Instead of sending a police car, the police sent a taxi to tend to her. When the taxi got there, she was gone & she is still missing. But ironically, the police have policemen in cop cars on nearly every stretch of road waiting to give speeding tickets! | |||
| * 7. The whole teeth thing is a crime on nature. | |||
| * 8. Deleted the New Zealand airforce. What are we going to do recon missions with? Jumbo jets? | |||
| * 9. She critisized Don Brash for saying he would offer a referendum to New Zealand on the nuclear ships subject. But did she ask New Zealand if we wanted the prostitution bill passed? '''NO!!''' She just passed it through everyone without a single poll. And now everyone, prostitution is legal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nearly a million people sent letters of objection to her. Did she stop the bill? NO!!!! | |||
| * 10. Gives no tax cuts in her terms. But right before election day, she says she's gonna give tax cuts. Guess what, she said that every other election year. But did we get tax cuts?? '''NO!!''' Then she has the cheek to say that the National party wont be able to afford their tax cuts. Did you know, according to a research centre, in New Zealand, a family on a '''$30,000''' income & a family on a '''$60,000''' income, after tax, the family on the $60,000 income are only '''$2,000''' better off than the $30,000 income family??? You go to university, get a degree, a good job, earn thirty thousand dollars more than this other family, & it turns out that you only have two thousand dollars more than them at the end of the day?!?! | |||
| ::I could go on forever, but as I said, nobody painted her badly other than herself. I really really don't like her!!! ] 05:58, 21 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::(If anyone is offended by my deeply radical stance against the evil new zealand hitler, Helen Clark, I am not actually sorry, but will say to your face that I am just to keep you from going on at me forever & ever & ever. Remember, it's only one man's opinion. Just because I said it, doesn't mean you have to agree with it or like it ] 06:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)) | |||
Revision as of 08:58, 22 September 2005
Prime Minister and Elections
I deleted the "first popularly-elected female Prime Minister" reference. It's often stated but not accurate. Prime Ministers aren't elected by popular vote in New Zealand so this comment is misleading. The actual process is far more indirect. People vote for a party at an election. Parties then organise with enough likeminded parties to get the support of 50% of MPs. Part of that organisation involves determining the senior partner in any coalition. That senior partner's party leader becomes the Prime Minister. Ben Arnold
- Perhaps, then, it could be changed to something like: "She became the first female leader to become Prime Minister as the result of a general election." This removes the reference to direct election (which is indeed an error), but still distinguishes her elevation from that of Jenny Shipley (as they did indeed gain the premiership in different circumstances). -- Vardion 23:49, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- That seems fair enough. It's probably worth expanding too, to explain the contrast. "Jenny Shipley had become Prime Minister two(?) years earlier after a leadership coup in the National Party." Ben Arnold 02:44, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- That sounds fine. (And it was indeed two years earlier - almost exactly two years, in fact). Feel free to add that in wherever you think is best. -- Vardion 06:11, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Helen Clark's Title
Does anyone know why the national media always refer to her as "Miss Clark" despite the fact she has been married for years? -- FirstPrinciples 18:53, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
- Presumably because she still uses her maiden name. She couldn't really be "Mrs Clark" - she'd have to be "Mrs Davis". Proteus (Talk) 18:58, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- That makes sense. (I always felt it was a little odd!) -- FirstPrinciples 04:27, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
- Shouldn't she be Dr. Clark? She has a PhD. (Alphaboi867 04:35, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC))
- Does she? I can't actually find any mention of it — she has an MA (Hons) from Auckland University, and I know she started work on a PhD, but I can't actually find anything confirming that she finished it. I could be wrong, but her first attempt to win a seat (Piako, 1975) would probably have interrupted any PhD research she was doing, since she only finished her MA in 1974. -- Vardion 05:47, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I believe Vardion is right and IMO 'Miss' is the PM's own preference. It could be, ironically, something taken from Hollywood actresses—regardless of which husband she was up to, Elizabeth Taylor was always 'Miss Taylor' and never 'Ms', and many used the same convention. Stombs 09:53, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)
Isn't Helen Clark's husband Peter Davis a health researcher not a sociologist? He served on the Auckland Area Health Board in the late 1980s, and currently works in the health sector.
- The answer, it seems, is that he's both. According to this, his speciality is "medical sociology" — the study of how social factors affect people's health. I'll add that to his article. -- Vardion 04:10, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Lecturer
Helen Clark lectured in political science and Auckland Uni, not industrial relations. If people have evidence to the contary please supply it as her offical biography has her as a junior political science lecturer. --Gregstephens 01:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- Why has no one put how she stopped parliament saying grace before meals? It's a true fact, because she did. And will someone please take that smiling picture of her off this page, until she has had major dental surgery at least? (How did you know I don't like Helen Clark?)Spawn Man 13:39, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
- Since when do politicians have meals during Parliamentary sittings? Kewpid 13:24, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
- Not during Parliamentary sittings (Duh!!). You shouldn't comment on things if you haven't researched it prior. When they sat down for a meal (parliament can go on all day you know!) they used to say grace. Now since the atheist prime minister came in, the Right Honourable pain in the asse Helen Elizabeth Clark, the grace has stopped. Just cause she doesn't believe in the tradition, shouldn't it still be there like it has since the opening of Parliament?? Another thing, I don't even think she is married. She pays her so called 'Husband' money to keep up the facade. How could anyone love her without corrective dental surgery?? I really don't like Helen Clark... fascist #@$$%!!! Spawn Man 05:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
- That was precisely my point Spawn. What the heck do MP's meals have to do with grace? They can eat whatever they like whenever they wish to do so, it doesn't have anything to do with parliamentary tradition or procedure. This all sounds very unhinged, and you seem to be scraping the barrel to find ways to insult Helen Clark. Attack her politics if you want, but the stuff about her teeth/family/whatever is really very poor form. Kewpid 04:34, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Bias
This whole article shows Helen Clark in a very negative light. She is well respected internationally. I will start removing this POV soon, and redress the balance, when I have some time. Wallie 10:11, 18 September 2005 (UTC)