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: The tag teaming that Wikidemon and co have engaged in on Berdov is despicable, quite frankly. None of the editors so intent on owning every election 08 article have ever bothered to take the time to make their argument on the talk page, an article that is as laughable as it is transparently and nakedly POV. How an editor could argue that ] is not a reliable source boggles the mind and indicates that the editors currently dominating Berdov have no intent on making these articles better, only more suited to their POV’s. If Berdov is blocked for edit warring, so too should any editor who has reverted him. This is really getting out of hand. ] (]) 02:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::What Censei fails to realize is that an opinion piece published in an otherwise reliable journal is not a reliable source because, guess what, it is an '''''opinion''''' piece. Censei, please stop your soapboxing and personal attacks. You too are close to violating 3RR. We can only report facts, not facts with a biased interpretation, which is what Censei is trying to insert. Erik the <font color="red">]</font> 2 <small><font color= "green">]</font><font color= "blue">]</font></small> 03:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::: ] is a serious academic, and his article in Commentary is not an opinion piece. ] (]) 03:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Both of you stop it. This page is not for your stupid bickering. Berdov broke 3RR whether the article is reliable or not. You are both being disruptive and need to find some time elsewhere. ''']]''' 03:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Berdov was involved in edit warring .... as were the editors who were reverting him withouth explanation. ] (]) 03:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::: No, reverting BLP violations is not edit warring. If you bothered to get in touch with this simple policies we wouldn't have this problems. Or would we? ''']]''' 03:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::::: With tag team action like that (tag team action that has been well demonstrated on several other articles) why would they have to violate 3RR? Also, if the ] violation is so obvious, why is everyone having such a gosh darned hard time pointing it out? Simply saying it exists does not make it so. ] (]) 03:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No one else violated 3RR, and everyone else provided constructive edit summaries. Once again, the author doesn't matter, the content does. It draws conclusions based on the facts it presents, which is an '''''opinion'''''. Erik the <font color="red">]</font> 2 <small><font color= "green">]</font><font color= "blue">]</font></small> 03:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Nearly every secondary source draws conclusions based on the facts, but its good to know that some secondary sources can arbitrarily be deemed "opinion" and others be deemed "journalism". ] (]) 03:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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Repeated (7) insertions of an unreliable source, making a claim a BLP violation. Erik the <font color="red">]</font> 2 <small><font color= "green">]</font><font color= "blue">]</font></small> 02:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Repeated (7) insertions of an unreliable source, making a claim a BLP violation. Erik the <font color="red">]</font> 2 <small><font color= "green">]</font><font color= "blue">]</font></small> 02:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

: I'm restoring Erik the Red's report here to show that this isn't some partisan plot like CENSEI claims, as Erik is mostly uninvolved as far as I can tell. ''']]''' 02:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:: I am not involved in the revert war either - I haven't edited the article in more than two weeks. CENSEI participated on the edit-warrior's side and is in fact in violation of ] himself on the same material on the same page. He's also edit warring in the above personal attack. If someone is willing to look beyond 3RR could we please have help dealing with this disruption of this page - and perhaps Obama article probation? It is quite harsh to have to deal with this as a cost for filing a 3RR report. Thanks, ] (]) 03:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

::For the record, I was not aware of Wikidemon's report when I filed mine. Redundancy is not my MO. Erik the <font color="red">]</font> 2 <small><font color= "green">]</font><font color= "blue">]</font></small> 03:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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    User:24.180.21.121 reported by User:Movingboxes (Result: blocked at 09:12 by User:Shell Kinney)

    24.180.21.121 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Time reported: 2:48 AM

    • Previous version reverted to:


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    User:Glasscobra reported by User:Tmore3 (Result: no vio)



    Article seems on verge of violation of 3RR edit war issues; user seems unwilling to provide some reasonable justification for his restores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmore3 (talk • contribs) 21:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

    Tmore insists on gutting this article completely, citing WP:SPS. However, this is not applicable here — the information within the article isn't violating BLP in any way. 3RR has not yet been technically broken by any parties, I have called for other, uninvolved opinions. GlassCobra 21:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
    Note Nobody has violated 3RR yet - although both the reporter and the reportee are close. I've warned the reporter before seeing this report. Recommend closure with both users warned; however, as I'm somewhat involved, I won't do this myself. - Rjd0060 (talk) 21:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
    Hmmm, Glasscobra states he's called for "uninvolved opinions" but can't see where this was done and then all of the sudden Rjd comes around and warns just myself about edit warring and then reverts not to where the article was before the edit dispute began but to GlassCobra's last edit. Again per WP:BURDEN the burden to provide verifiable references relies on the person adding information. As for the source of the dispute, my issue with this article is what it was created with a very obvious motive. GlassCobra has maintained that the person's website and myspace page are reliable sources and Rjd seems to agree per the message he left on my talk page. I will continue to contest this not only on grounds of WP:SPS but also WP:SELFPUB # 3. As a side note if anyone clicks on her website you'll get an idea on how much research or verification apparently went in to including the content that has been posted. Tmore3 (talk) 22:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
    I was going to block the reporter for extended edit-warring which constitutes basically their entire recent contribution history, but see that Rjd0060's warned them. No action taken for now. east718 // talk // email // 22:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
    Nice so let me get this straight east you were going to 1) Block one party without warning for edit warring and not the other and because they did not edit a certain # of additional articles and 2) Go against a long established policy consensus on Misplaced Pages Verifiability . Since you like to take some time to go through the history of the page you'll see my edit in the original removal of content was backed up by reasoning and citing of WP policy. GlassCobra's first edit did nothing to explain why he restored what he did. My revert then followed with shortcut citing the reasoning behind my edit and GlassCobra responded merely with stating it was overzealous and reverted it back to his version. Tmore3 (talk) 22:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
    This is not a place for discussion — if you've a disagreement with east718's decision, take it to his talk page; if you've a disagreement with other editors of the article, take it to the article's talk page. Stifle (talk) 09:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    213.202.143.88 reported by Setanta747 (Result: No violation)

    • Previous version reverted to:


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    This anon user has removed the warning from his talk page.

    The user has also reverted similar articles with the same or similar text. See contribs. I also suspect the anon user of being a sockpuppet of an established user, considering they have knowledge of Misplaced Pages jargon and states specifically that they are "editing as an IP". Other articles affected include Northern Ireland and Flag of Ireland.

    Similar non-registered edits have taken place recently here (by the same IP) and...

    .. and many more, I'm sure. It should be noted that User:Watchlistac, User:Here4asec, User:Here42secs and User:ThatsGrand have all been banned as being sockpuppets of User:Wikipéire here (see Category:Misplaced Pages sockpuppets of Wikipéire). This user is extremely disruptive and basically the only input they seem to have is changing articles in a similar manner, all with the same theme, as those reverts listed above. --Setanta747 (talk) 02:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    No violation – there must be four or more reverts within a 24 hour period for the 3-Revert Rule to apply; the links you have provided do not meet these criteria. If you feel the same person is using IPs or multiple accounts to get around 3RR, place a category E listing at WP:RFCU. Stifle (talk) 09:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
    Thank you Stifle - I will re-submit this report there. I feel I must point out though, the lack of consistency here (note that I am not suggesting that you, as an individual, are inconsistent) - people have been blocked for less than three or four reverts when reported, often because the intent to edit-war has been shown. --Setanta747 (talk) 09:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    Lordvolton reported by User:Grsz11(Result: No violation)


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    Insists on deleting a referenced statement from the article. Grsz 16:50, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    No violation – there must be four or more reverts within a 24 hour period for the 3-Revert Rule to apply; the links you have provided do not meet these criteria. The "1st revert" that you indicated does not appear to be a revert to me, just a normal edit. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    The first edit was the removal of a well-cited fact despite the talk page. Perhaps not technically a revert (though I thought the rule was to punish 4 changes to the same segment regardless of whether it is technically a revert or not), you could block him for edit warring or disrupting posting, seeing as he has been actively engage in both.LedRush (talk) 18:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
    If he starts edit warring again, just report it and someone will take action. It looks like he's stopped for now, though. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 19:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    A removal of anything is a revert. I've seen blocks for less. Grsz 20:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    One other thing we must take into consideration when we are dealing with problems in the Barack Obama pages, is the probation it is under. Remember the 3RR rule has been lowered and can be applied for less if it is seen as the person is either trying to be disruptive or is subverting rules to prove a point. Brothejr (talk) 21:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    Pharmdmsn reported by User:Torsodog(Result: 24 hour block)


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    Insists adding long, bulky text about something that should obviously be included on the entry's Wiktionary page and not Misplaced Pages. --Torsodog 17:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    Blocked – for a period of 24 hours Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 17:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:Gonbal2 reported by The Ogre (talk) (Result: No violation)

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 16:00, 28 September 2008 (edit summary: "/* Historical background */")
    2. 14:09, 29 September 2008 (edit summary: "")
    3. 23:26, 29 September 2008 (edit summary: "")
    4. 20:22, 30 September 2008 (edit summary: "")
    5. 07:10, 2 October 2008 (edit summary: "")
    6. 14:45, 2 October 2008 (edit summary: "")
    7. 19:25, 2 October 2008 (edit summary: "")
    8. 14:23, 3 October 2008 (edit summary: "")

    Insists on an oudated racialist view of the Spanish People, that has been dismissed in talk. —The Ogre (talk) 17:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    Jlone78 and 220.253.23.184 reported by Caspian blue (Result: Stale)


    I removed the section as it has no reliable references as stated multiple times, and it is a biography article. This article has not received many contributions, however this part of the article was contested before, with most editors trying to remove it. I expanded the article with much information from reliable and verifiable references

    This user has the page on their watch list (but does not contribute to the article) and reverted my edit. I claim the references are not reliable, and requested numerous times for an explanation. . As seen the user deleted my requests, ignored me, left numerous warnings on my talk page ,and insisted that I am page blanking, dishonestly editing, and false labeling.

    I noticed it would be useless, and as noted, I decided to go to the admin board. . I created the account jlone78 so I could create this article which is directly related to the this article so I could further expand it. I also expanded the article with lots more information with many minor edits for corrections such as , . I tried to receive help from other boards such as the reliable references board and the biography board for this section, as there are two users who appear to have this article on their watch list just for this. They do not contribute to the article, and as noted many times (and by other editors) the references are not reliable, or verifiable. This editor appears to be in a Korean-Japanese prejudice dispute on the wikipedia. As evident by their editing.

    I don't believe to be in violation of the 3RR, as the references are not acceptable for a biography. I have clearly shown no interest, other than cleaning the article and expanding it with notable referenced information. 220.253.23.184 (talk) 23:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

    The user falsely accused me of giving "threats" with the outrageous thread title on my giving him/her "blanking warnings". Moreover, the user made a hoax report on me at ANI. Such rudeness and uncooperative behaviors only cut mutual communication. The user's edits with no consensus is reverted by admin, Slp1 and your claim for BLP violation on the deceased singer as well as the sources being unreliable are also false.--Caspian blue (talk) 23:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
    Comment from a partly involved administrator I believe that there is no question that this user edited as both Jlone78 and the 220. accounts listed above (and in fact one account admits it above). Together s/he clearly violated 3RR, reverting the edits of multiple other editors who disagreed with them. They were warned multiple times, both formally and informally, including by me. (listed above and ,) Part of the issue appears to be that s/he doesn't seem to understand that WP:BLP exceptions from 3RR apply only to Biographies of living people (the subject of the article has been deceased since 1989). S/he doesn't seem to understand that references being reliable includes newspapers, and verifiable, doesn't mean that one has to be able to check them from one's computer, and that a trip to the library may be required. There are also problems understanding that we work by WP:CONSENSUS, that we need to discuss and assume good faith about other editors , not engaging in personal attacks accusing people of 'prejudice', 'ownership' 'dishonesty' etc. In the short-term, with this particular article, the issue may be solved, since editors were able to find many unimpeachably reliable sources proving the point Jlone disagrees with, and peace has reigned in the last 12 hours. In the long-term, it is to be hoped that Jlone can learn more about a range of WP policies, because otherwise s/he may well run into serious problems once again, and administrator response will likely be swifter.--Slp1 (talk) 13:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
    Edit warring now seems to have stopped. Tim Vickers (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    Segregator236 , reported by ThePointblank (Result:Discussing with user)


    • Previous version reverted to:


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    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    Engaged in a long term revert war on C-802 from July of 2008. Insists on using incorrect information in the infobox, and provides a unverifiable source as justification for his edits. Long term, complex edit war. Has also been engaged in edit wars in the past, according to the warns listed on his talk page, so there is evidence of consistent behaviour of using unverifiable sources for engaging in edit wars. ThePointblank (talk) 02:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    User warned; I hate blocking people, but if he keeps doing it I will. Thanks for reporting this. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 08:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    Orthopraxia reported by Koalorka (Result:No action taken, discussing with users)


    • Previous version reverted to:


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    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    The user has not provided any supporting arguments, has accused others of vandalism repeatedly and continues to revert after receiving a warning from User:Nukes4Tots. Koalorka (talk) 02:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    This needs to be discussed further; I'm not going to lock or block yet, but if you guys keep on comparing sizes I'll have to. For now, keep your cool; I'll leave comments on User talk:Koalorka. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 07:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    125.60.235.231 reported by PikDig (Result: Stale)


    • Previous version reverted to:


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    The anon user keeps on insisting that Shenzhen Airlines serves Mactan-Cebu International Airport. He provides , , and as sources. The first two sites does not state service to Cebu. However the last site states that they fly to Cebu, but that site is unreliable for it states that Cebu Pacific still flies from Cebu to Macau and Bangkok but they don't fly the said route anymore (Source: ). It also states that Asian Spirit flies from Cebu to Caticlan but they don't fly the said route anymore (Source: ). Other sources that I have which does not indicate that Shenzhen Airlines has flights from Cebu to Nanning are , , and .

    Aside from breaking the 3RR rule, he also violated the no personal attacks rule.

    Links that shows he violated the NPA rule:

    • 1st: (read his edit summary)
    • 2nd: (read his edit summary)
    • 3rd:

    Thank you. pikdig (talk) 02:28, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:ItsLassieTime reported by User:Collectonian (Result:no punitive measures, discussing with parties)

    • Previous version reverted to: link
    • 1st revert: link
    • 2nd revert: link
    • 3rd revert: link
    • 4th revert: link
    • 5th revert after a second editor also removed image: link
    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    Refuses to allow discussion to continue before continuing to readd image, despite it being against WP:NONFREE and a 30 being filed. Exhibiting strong ownership claims over article, including declaring that edits must be approved (except hers of course) and that "it is NOT your place to make decisions as to what this article should and should not include"; also making personal attacks in attempted discussions including making a false claim that the 2nd editor is a sockpuppet. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    Hopefully we can settle this by civil means; I laid out the ground rules on the talk page. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 07:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:Thulasi12345 reported by User:Bignole (Result:User warned)

    1. Revert: Revision as of 09:06, October 4, 2008
    2. Revert: Revision as of 09:29, October 4, 2008
      1. First warning: Revision as of 09:36, October 4, 2008
    3. Revert: Revision as of 09:39, October 4, 2008
      1. Second warning: Current revision as of 09:44, October 4, 2008
    4. Revert: Revision as of 09:45, October 4, 2008

    User:Verbal reported by Zzmang (Result: No violation)


    • Previous version reverted to:


    • 1st revert:
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    • Diff of 3RR warning:


    Reply The first is an edit, not a revert, then I have made two reverts of one user. I am well within the 3RR and have asked for the page to be protected. Please see my reasoning there and the discussion at the AfD. I was not alerted to this case, and the 3RR warning was placed after the above edits (although I concede I am fully aware of the 3RR and that less than 4 reverts can still result in blocking). I do not believe I have acted against the spirit or letter of the 3RR, and my actions have been proper and in defence of[REDACTED] and the project. Verbal chat 15:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    Clearly the first change is the same as the two reversions which follow, absolutely obvious case. Zzmang (talk) 00:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    Garda40 reported by CroatiaShoes (Result: Both blocked, 24h)


    • Previous version reverted to:


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    I added a reference, which this editor has reverted four times. After his second revert I left him a message on his talk page, asking what the problem was, however he just described me as a POV editor here and just ignored the issue at hand. I again asked the question and that if he could stick to the facts. He replied the same thing and continued to revert the reference I added.CroatiaShoes (talk) 17:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    ReplyThe user has spent all afternoon addind this message to various Ireland related boards The name of the state is officially "Ireland", in this case Republic of Ireland is being used for disambiguation purposes. (See Names of the Irish state). as a ref despite being told here why the wording was that particular way .If he had only done it once I would believe him to a mistaken editor but his actions suggest he is a sockpuppet of wikipere who caused trouble on the same articles about 3 weeks ago and who Alison had to clean up after .Garda40 (talk) 18:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    You gave absolutely no reason for the removal. What you wrote was gibberish and didn't explain its removal. You had plenty of oppurtunity to explain on my talk page and still refuse to explain to me now. I still don't understand why you have such an objection to it. It's a reference after all! I did indeed input the reference in many places. It was my project for the day. You are the only editor who has rejected this reference, again without reason. You refused to WP:AGF and blindly reverted breaking 3RR, you had plenty of time to explain your actions but none came. Not only that you abused me on my talk page and accussed of me of breaking 3RR on another topic when I wasn't anywhere near doing so. This reference has nothing to do with trouble that occurred 4 weeks ago. It is you causing the trouble now. This is a clear case of you wrongly breaking 3RR.CroatiaShoes (talk) 18:18, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    Reply::(after edit conflict) CroatiaShoes also admits to gaming the system I make sure to not brake 3RR. and this from a new account here

    Since when is there something wrong with not breaking the rules? I made sure I didn't break the rules. Everyone knows about 3RR. I admit to not understanding what 'gaming the system' means. I know the 3rr rule and I made sure I didn't break it. I opened a discussion on the matter. Garda40 did no such thing he reverted away.CroatiaShoes (talk) 18:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
    Admittedly I did break 3RR and not realise so until editor pointed it out but I believed I was dealing with a POV pushing Single Purpose Account . Garda40 (talk) 18:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
    Ignoring me trying to resolve the dispute and reverting instead is clearly you understanding you do not wish to do things correctly and wished to edit war.CroatiaShoes (talk) 18:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    Reply::accussed of me of breaking 3RR on another topic. I accused him of globally breaking breaking 3RR not 3RR on each article .Garda40 (talk) 18:34, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    Not sure what globally breaking 3RR means but I have never once broken the 3RR rule on any article.CroatiaShoes (talk) 18:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:PeeJay2K3 reported by CroatiaShoes (Result: Page protected)

    4 Associations Tournament (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). PeeJay2K3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 00:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 13:41, 4 October 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 242956373 by CroatiaShoes (talk) inappropriate")
    2. 14:01, 4 October 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 242963434 by CroatiaShoes (talk) how is it misleading?")
    3. 22:55, 4 October 2008 (edit summary: "Undid revision 243052022 by CroatiaShoes (talk) now you're just being WP:POINTy")
    4. 00:04, 5 October 2008 (edit summary: "all of the references used for this article refer to "the Republic of Ireland", not simply "Ireland"")
    • Diff of warning: here

    I made different edits dealing with different things on the article and all were reverted by this user. I have only reverted once on this article for the record. —CroatiaShoes 00:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    The third "revert" listed here is not a revert. I was making a legitimate edit to the article, not reverting any material added by another editor. Furthermore, I had no 3RR warning posted to my talk page, so this report is irrelevant. In addition, the user making this report seems to revel in quoting rules and regs at people, so I am actually surprised that no notification was posted. Finally, I believe that the fourth revert listed above should be discounted as it was a legitimate attempt to revert vandalism (in this case, a WP:POINTy edit). – PeeJay 00:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    You reverted my edits. I did not revert any of yours. You know the rules. I know the rules. I reverted once only and stopped. Youd didn't. You broke 3RR.CroatiaShoes 00:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    It's very easy to hide behind the rulebook, isn't it? I would very much like to accuse you of "gaming the system". Furthermore, although ignorance is not a valid defence, neither can you assume that people know all the rules. A 3RR warning should have been posted to my talk page. If this were real life and you were a police officer, I would probably call this entrapment. – PeeJay 00:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
    CroatiaShoes is yet another sock pocket of the blocked user User:Wikipéire, why are admins listening to him? His sole intention is to create single purpose accounts, push his agenda and try to get other users blocked. Is this how[REDACTED] works now? Vandals, blocked users and sockpuppets are listened to while users who are palying by the rules are punished? remarkable! Snappy56 (talk) 03:11, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    Cory Malik reported by AussieLegend (Result: )


    • Previous version reverted to:


    • 1st revert:
    • 2nd revert:
    • 3rd revert:
    • 4th revert:
    • 5th revert:


    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    I initially removed uncited speculation about a possible upcoming episode on a TV series that has ended which was then reverted. Following a couple of reverts by the user I decided to research the reason for the rumour of a possible 88th episode and found that it had actually already aired but the list was US-centric rather than presenting a world-view so I made appropriate changes to the article, also making other corrections in the process. I even discussed this on the article's talk page but the user continues to revert my and other editor's edits. After the user's 4th revert I discussed the issue at length on his talk page, explaining exactly why his reversions were inappropriate. I then added a 3RR warning, shortly after which he made his 5th revert, which is almost identical to the original version that he reverted to. To be clear, the user has not technically violated 3RR as his 5 reversions were carried out over a 2 day period however if I reverted now I have no doubt that he would continue reverting. The user visits the page infrequently enough to avoid a technical 3RR breach but reverts each time he visits. I believe he has definitely broken the spirit of 3RR and some action is warranted. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    I am Cory Malik and I have and will stop reverting his edits. You need to look at the newest post at the bottonm of the talk page and look at thhe first two comments on my talk page and see that all of my reverts where bettween me & him so if i am block he should be too. You need to look at the ep page and see how he dramtically changed the page contridicting edits being made for a year. And I have removed the ep that everybody tried to remove. After Aussie gave me the 3RR warning I them removed the ep and left as is before Aussie and my edits took place, which both would need to be discussed.--Jay M. Baxter-Payne (talk) 04:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
    "I am Cory Malik and I have and will stop reverting his edits" - This promise seems disingenuous given your latest reversion of properly cited information, despite the addition of the cited information being explained on the article's talk page. Edit warring has gotten you blocked before. You were unblocked then becuase you promised to stop edit warring. Given the latest reversion, why should anyone believe you? --AussieLegend (talk) 09:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    189.104.65.1 reported by Husond (Result: Blocked)




    Insists in adding verification tags to something that has already been verified and discussed on the talk page. Húsönd 11:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:Rightandright reported by Cordless Larry (talk) (Result: No Action)

    United Kingdom (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Rightandright (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): Time reported: 14:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    Diffs are listed from oldest to newest, dates are in UTC

    1. 09:58, 5 October 2008 (edit summary: "UK is in northwest europe.")
    2. 11:10, 5 October 2008 (edit summary: "UK in northwest europe")
    3. 14:30, 5 October 2008 (edit summary: "UK is in northwest europe and is located northwest from the mainland")
    4. 14:42, 5 October 2008 (edit summary: "minor")

    —Cordless Larry (talk) 14:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    No violation – there must be four or more reverts within a 24 hour period for the 3-Revert Rule to apply; the links you have provided do not meet these criteria. The first edit is not a revert.--KojiDude 15:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    Emptv reported by ESanchez013 (Result: No further action)




    ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez / Talk to me!←at≈:→ 21:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

    User75.181.153.57 reported by xyl_54 (Result: Warned then Blocked)


    • Previous version reverted to: (edit to the earlier version of account, with edits for neutrality)


    • 1st revert: undone by 75.181.153.57
    • 2nd revert: revert by Jackyd101
    • 3rd revert: undone by 75.181.153.57
    • 4th revert: revert by xyl_54
    • 5th revert: undone by 75.181.153.57
    • 6th revert revert by xyl_54
    • 7th revert undone by 75.181.153.57



    This page is the subject of an on-going, 2 year old dispute over content. The original version of this account 7 July 2006 was the subject of an edit war from September 2006 to January 2007, and again in September 2007 to March 2008. It has been changed repeatedly by an anonymous editor using a variety of IP addresses:

    The content added is highly POV, and editorializing.
    There has been no response to repeated requests for discussion of the issues.
    The allegation in the edit summary that the original account is “completely inaccurate and extremely biased” has not been substantiated at any point.

    Warned This is an unregistered user who may or may not have been aware of the specifics of the three-revert rule. — Satori Son 14:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    Blocked – for a period of 24 hours Edit warring continued past warning. — Satori Son 20:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters reported by User:CENSEI (Result: stale)

    • Previous version reverted to:
    • 1st revert:
    • 2nd revert:
    • 3rd revert:
    • 4th revert:

    User is well known edit warrior and has been blocked on multiple occasions for his behavior and has waged a low level and sneaky edit war on this article for weeks. CENSEI (talk) 17:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    Stale, no reverts by this user for a couple days. Please make a report again when an edit war's in progress. east718 // talk // email // 18:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    The 3RR might be stale on this article but a glance at the article's history shows that LoTE is still currently edit warring there. He just hasnt crossed the 3RR fence yet. CENSEI (talk) 18:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    Declined Because of its complexity, this issue would be better handled at WP:ANI. — Satori Son 20:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:Rezistenta reported by User:Squash Racket (Result: 1 week)




    • Diff of 3RR warning: (Note the edit summary while he removed the warning.) He's been blocked for 3RR before, he knows about the rule.

    I didn't make a single revert (in my first edit I changed the text, but the article hasn't been edited in the past couple of days). He removes referenced material, he doesn't want to stop. He didn't answer on the talk page why he removed whole well-referenced paragraphs. Squash Racket (talk) 17:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    Other Comments

    Are you not ashamed lying in this manner , by changing numbers into letters or removing meterial and saying those are not reverts, what about these ?
    And stop giving me false warnings, you are behaving grotesque Rezistenta (talk) 18:12, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    No personal attacks please and keep it civil. Thank you.
    None of my edits are reverts. The first one could be, but it was the very first edit of the day. These are called edits. If you think I broke the rule, you should file a separate report. Squash Racket (talk) 18:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    You have ignored the talk page, you haven't reached any consensus and you broke the agreement of the parties involved, and then you've changed some numbers with letters stipulating in edit summaries those are not reverts, after that you've reported me for 3RR...it's incredible... Rezistenta (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    I once again ask you to keep it civil please. There are no "involved parties", you call your own edits concensus and you didn't answer on the talk page any of the raised issues. Please don't post here, this is the 3RR board, not a forum. Thank you.
    Once again: if you think I broke the rule, you should file a separate report. Squash Racket (talk) 18:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    • I would have blocked both users if not for equity. Rezistenta has five unoverturned blocks - four of them for edit warring - so I'm blocking them for a week. This would be overly harsh on Squash Racket, who has one 3RR vio from over a year ago, so they're getting a free pass for now. east718 // talk // email // 18:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    This case has just been closed. I don't really understand your words towrds me, please check the diffs that Rez. provided. These are NOT reverts. The first diff is the first edit at the article today, even if you consider this a revert, I wasn't even close to breaking the rule. Squash Racket (talk) 18:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    n.b. - see . east718 // talk // email // 19:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    OK, thank you. Squash Racket (talk) 19:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    Pioneer26 reported by Abd (Result: indef)


    • Previous version reverted to:

    Latest of 33 reverts since 16 Sept version linked above.

    • 1st revert: 13:19, 6 October 2008
    • 2nd revert: 16:06, 6 October 2008
    • 3rd revert: 17:10, 6 October 2008
    • 4th revert: 17:30, 6 October 2008


    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    I warned both this editor and User:Devotus even though the latter seemed to be attempting to maintain consensus text. Pioneer26 continued to revert after warning. I suggested that he revert himself, that this might avoid a 3RR sanction. He reverted again after that. Devotus responded to me on my Talk and did not make further reverts. --Abd (talk) 18:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    Account's whole history is recalcitrant edit-warring; blocked indefinitely. east718 // talk // email // 19:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    Noroton reported by Wikidemon (Result: No action)

    1. 19:06, 5 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "get back to the discussion")
      19:07, 5 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Close the discussion! */ add heading, "continuing the discussion") (reverts this closure of discussion)
    2. 17:24, 6 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Addendums */ remove "Addendums" subsection name") (reverts this addition of addendum)
    3. 17:40, 6 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "six times Ayers appeared in the NY Times today")(reverts this closure of discussion)
      17:41, 6 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Addendums */ remove "Addendums" subsection name") (reverts this addition of heading)
    4. 18:06, 6 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "Undid revision 243476839 by Scjessey (talk)reverting disruptive edit; continuing to box discussion is also disruptive") (undoes removal of disruptive heading, moves discussion closure)
    5. 18:29, 6 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Rehash Ayers discussion */ as per WP:TALK section headers are supposed to be neutral") (reverts part of heading added here)
    • Editor warned about 3RR here. Editor's repeated re-opening of closed discussion is the subject of a current AN/I report he filed, and all of these edits follow the initiation of the AN/I discussion. Editor's comment that closure is "bullshit" to be ignored and "disruptive" indicates that reopening discussion and moving section headers is tendentious editing of talk page, not a mere accidental/technical violation of 3RR.

    - Wikidemon (talk) 19:27, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    This belongs on ANI, not here. There are no content revisions here and clearly the discussion was not over. Wikidemon, as usual, is using administrative tools designed to stifle legitimate debate on election related topics. CENSEI (talk) 19:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC) At any rate, this is stale. CENSEI (talk) 19:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    Not sure why the above editor is trying to attack me rather than commenting on the issue, but 4 of the 5 reverts happened in the last 3 hours. Hardly stale. Wikidemon (talk) 20:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    Noroton has been a bit disruptive in his posts, and Wikidemon is probably right that the discussion is better left closed, but I don't see a reversion of a decision on a talk page to close down a discussion as deserving of a 3RR block. Noroton wasn't doing anything bad to the article and was engaged primarily in trying to convince people that new evidence changed the weight of the subject at hand (though he often annoyingly made these comments). Again, this doesn't seem like the correct way to handle this...perhaps a Wikiquette Alert is more appropriate. Either that or mediation. When either of those things happen, I'll strongly be on Wikidemon's side.LedRush (talk) 19:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    The talk page is under article probation (see Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation). Disruption of the Obama talk page is the subject of this and perhaps a dozen other AN/I reports, as well as an indef. block every 1-2 days. If 3RR applies at all to talk pages, it applies to things like contentiously changing headings, opening and closing discussions, and so on. What else could 3RR and avoiding disruption mean for a talk page? 3RR is an electric fence. If an editor disputes the oversight of the talk page they need to take it to dispute resolution, not edit war.Wikidemon (talk) 20:01, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    No action for now. Noroton is unlikely to get consensus support for the material he is trying to have included at Barack Obama, and his reverts of the discussion closure exceed the tolerance we normally allow on Talk pages. Those on the other side have been high-handed as well (closing discussions early), so no action is due at this point. If Noroton continues reverting closures I think he should be blocked. EdJohnston (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    I won't revert again, and I don't intend to try to extend the discussion on that page forever. I didn't realize I'd reverted three times in a day. This is part of the Wikidemon-Scjessey pattern of taunt/provoke, get an editor to step slightly over the line (usually that's Scjessey's part) and then quickly report a violation (almost always Wikidemon's part). I've seen them pull this on several other editors and on me on a few occasions. This is how they deal with disagreement, and I intend to go back and gather a record of other examples of this pattern in order to try to persuade them to mend the errors of their way. I really am sorry my part in this gave them a foot in the door to take up the time of other editors. Thanks for the level-headed response. -- Noroton (talk) 23:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
    Oh, for goodness sake. Even your rule violations are my fault? My article patrol is just fine. Stop blaming other editors for your abusive behavior, and try to live within Misplaced Pages's behavioral policies. Wikidemon (talk) 00:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:143.226.27.72 reported by TimVickers (Result: 24 hours)




    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    Also see discussion of the talkpage here where several editors attempt to explain why these edits are inaccurate and contrary to content policies. The editor contined to edit-war for their version of the article in the clear knowledge that this was against consensus. Tim Vickers (talk) 19:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


    User:InaMaka reported by User:Therefore (Result: 31 hours)

    Previous version

    1st Revert: which reverted my first reversion of several days before.

    2nd Revert:

    3rd Revert:

    4th Revert:

    Page 6, the gossip column of the New York Post, has reported that Lara Logan is under investigation for taking sourveniers from Iraq. . InaMaka argues that this is a reliable source and has adding this information into the article: Lara Logan#Iraq Looting Controversy. He also is included blogs and other non-reliable sources in support, arguing that sometimes blogs are allowed. I have attempted to discuss this matter with him at Talk:Lara Logan#Iraq Looting Controversy and all I get in response is that the Post is a reliable source.

    The user was warned about the BLP violations and 3RR at User Talk:InaMaka#Lara Logan gossip. ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 23:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

    I corrected the revert links. ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 00:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    Blocked – for a period of 31 hours EdJohnston (talk) 00:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:PrinceOfCanada reported by User:G2bambino (result: 2 weeks)

    Previous version 21:44, 6 October 2008

    1st Revert: 22:59, 6 October 2008 (Restores coat of arms and original layout.)

    2nd Revert: 00:00, 7 October 2008 (Restores coat of arms)

    This is a 2RR report because both PrinceOfCanada (talk · contribs) and myself are under a specific 1RR restriction initiated by Tiptoety (talk · contribs) as a condition of unblock from a week-long block, to which PrinceOfCanada (talk · contribs) agreed (I was offered similar conditions, and also agreed.) --G2bambino (talk) 00:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    • I am looking into this, and as such I ask that no admins take any action until I can review this further (though I welcome any comments). Tiptoety 01:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Blocked – for a period of 2 weeks Also, G2bambino do not take this as an open invitation to revert PrinceOfCanada's edits. Reverting the edit he was just blocked for will get you blocked as well. Tiptoety 01:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    Folken de Fanel reported by Hellbus (Result: 72 hours)


    • Previous version reverted to:


    • 1st revert:
    • 2nd revert:
    • 3rd revert:
    • 4th revert:


    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    I've noticed that this user has run afoul of 3RR more than once. Hellbus (talk) 00:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    Not my fault if some users like Hellbus think their opinion is better than WP rules and guidelines and that consensuses basically don't matter. What's the point of contributing to the talk page of an article if the only way some people edit on WP is to revert, wait a 3RR, and rush to report it so that they won't have to explain themselves concerning the content of their reverts.
    This kind of bureaucratic and automatic view of the WP (favoring 3RR denunciations instead of trying to communicate with people, waiting to hear their opinion before reverting) is what is going to kill it.
    What I see is that while I wasted my time writing a detailed explanation and justification for my edits, 2 contributors plotted against me so they could have their own way in the articles (hence this denunciation).
    No, I don't think blind bureaucracy should replace the process of discussion and consensus. I don't believe in it. I don't believe that if 3 reverts can be automatically sanctionned, the editor responsible for a single, unjustified and unexplained revert shouldn't be sanctionned also.Folken de Fanel (talk) 01:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Blocked – for a period of 72 hours FdF is the only one doing full reverts; VVVVV only did one full revert, and the other 2 partial. FdF has been blocked at least twice for 3RR (I say, at least, because of the blocks for edit warring which may also be 3RR.) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    Berdov reported by Wikidemon (Result: )

    1. 21:43, 6 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Connection to Barack Obama */")
    2. 23:44, 6 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Connection to Barack Obama */")
    3. 00:29, 7 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Connection to Barack Obama */")
    4. 01:16, 7 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Connection to Barack Obama */")
    5. 01:36, 7 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Connection to Barack Obama */")
    6. 01:54, 7 October 2008 (compare) (edit summary: "/* Connection to Barack Obama */")


    • Diff of 3RR warning:

    (repeated revert-warring in citation to poor source in BLP; unresponsive to warnings)

    The tag teaming that Wikidemon and co have engaged in on Berdov is despicable, quite frankly. None of the editors so intent on owning every election 08 article have ever bothered to take the time to make their argument on the talk page, an article that is as laughable as it is transparently and nakedly POV. How an editor could argue that Commentary (magazine) is not a reliable source boggles the mind and indicates that the editors currently dominating Berdov have no intent on making these articles better, only more suited to their POV’s. If Berdov is blocked for edit warring, so too should any editor who has reverted him. This is really getting out of hand. CENSEI (talk) 02:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    What Censei fails to realize is that an opinion piece published in an otherwise reliable journal is not a reliable source because, guess what, it is an opinion piece. Censei, please stop your soapboxing and personal attacks. You too are close to violating 3RR. We can only report facts, not facts with a biased interpretation, which is what Censei is trying to insert. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 03:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    Joshua Muravchik is a serious academic, and his article in Commentary is not an opinion piece. CENSEI (talk) 03:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    Both of you stop it. This page is not for your stupid bickering. Berdov broke 3RR whether the article is reliable or not. You are both being disruptive and need to find some time elsewhere. Grsz 03:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    Berdov was involved in edit warring .... as were the editors who were reverting him withouth explanation. CENSEI (talk) 03:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    No, reverting BLP violations is not edit warring. If you bothered to get in touch with this simple policies we wouldn't have this problems. Or would we? Grsz 03:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    With tag team action like that (tag team action that has been well demonstrated on several other articles) why would they have to violate 3RR? Also, if the WP:BLP violation is so obvious, why is everyone having such a gosh darned hard time pointing it out? Simply saying it exists does not make it so. CENSEI (talk) 03:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    No one else violated 3RR, and everyone else provided constructive edit summaries. Once again, the author doesn't matter, the content does. It draws conclusions based on the facts it presents, which is an opinion. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 03:33, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    Nearly every secondary source draws conclusions based on the facts, but its good to know that some secondary sources can arbitrarily be deemed "opinion" and others be deemed "journalism". CENSEI (talk) 03:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    User:Berdov reported by User:Erik the Red 2 (Result: )

    Same content as above report.

    Repeated (7) insertions of an unreliable source, making a claim a BLP violation. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 02:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

    I'm restoring Erik the Red's report here to show that this isn't some partisan plot like CENSEI claims, as Erik is mostly uninvolved as far as I can tell. Grsz 02:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    I am not involved in the revert war either - I haven't edited the article in more than two weeks. CENSEI participated on the edit-warrior's side and is in fact in violation of WP:3RR himself on the same material on the same page. He's also edit warring in the above personal attack. If someone is willing to look beyond 3RR could we please have help dealing with this disruption of this page - and perhaps Obama article probation? It is quite harsh to have to deal with this as a cost for filing a 3RR report. Thanks, Wikidemon (talk) 03:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
    For the record, I was not aware of Wikidemon's report when I filed mine. Redundancy is not my MO. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 03:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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