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---that local people of Khichan has established a noble tradition of a compassionate act of ‘Bird Feeding’ by offering grains of 5 quintals every day to Demoiselle Cranes.
...that the Air Mobility Command Museum is a museum in Delaware and is the only museum in the world dedicated to military airlift and air refueling aircraft and the people who maintain them. new article self-nom by David Edgeworth 14:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidedgeworth (talk • contribs)
A note here: the statement is not referenced explicitly at the beginning, but the site rests in the second para of the lead (Puerto Ricos DANFS article)
Second note: "large cruiser" redirects to the Alaska-class article.
Third note: the class were officially designated as "large cruisers", but they were basically battlecruisers (which is referenced in the article)...would it be better to use "battlecruiser" in place of "large cruiser"?
Fourth note: a very similar hook for Puerto Ricos sister ship, Samoa, can be found in the October 20th section...if you want me to think of an alternate hook for one, I will. —Ed 17for PresidentVote for Ed02:58, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
... that Valvata piscinalis(pictured), "European stream valvata", is nonindigeous and widely distributed in some areas in North America, has declined in some parts of its native distribution, and in some areas it is endangered? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Snek01 (talk) 08:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Length (1627 characters), date, and reference verified. I forgot to count the other one line sentences in the article. Sorry about that, Cunard (talk) 04:30, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Length (1631 characters), date, and reference verified. I forgot to count the other one line sentences in the article. Sorry about that, Cunard (talk) 04:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
What (if anything) is the basis for "fame"? Perhaps "of The Kennedy Women fame" should be just "author of The Kennedy Women"? - Jmabel | Talk02:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, thats fine. Just wanted a good hook. Fame could also be the fact he is a regularly appears in the media to discuss the Kennedy family. Ip208man (talk) 04:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
A note here: the statement is not referenced explicitly at the beginning, but the site rests in the second para of the lead (Samoas DANFS article)
Second note: "large cruiser" redirects to the Alaska-class article.
Third note: the class were officially designated as "large cruisers", but they were basically battlecruisers (which is referenced in the article)...would it be better to use "battlecruiser" in place of "large cruiser"? —Ed 17for PresidentVote for Ed21:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Nice article, but is it's status downgraded? Status is a measure of threatenedness, and vulnerable is a step down in terms of danger from endangered. Sabine's Sunbirdtalk19:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I see what you are saying, but I am not sure what the appropriate term is, since "downgrade" can imply that its status "worsened". Maybe I should just say "revised". Rlendog (talk) 01:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
... that in context to religious deities in a temple, sacred rivers, sacred hills and a close cluster of temples, "doing" a Parikrama is a symbol of prayer and an integral part of Hindu ritual?--Nvvchar (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
... that upcoming film Afterwards is shot entirely in English, despite being written and directed by Frenchman Gilles Bourdos, adapted from a French novel and co-produced by a French production company? (self-nom) May need rewording. —97198 (talk) 07:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
... that Mickey Rooney's 1964–1965 ABCseriesMickey co-starred his second son, Tim, who died at the age of fifty-nine in 2006 on his surviving father's 86th birthday?--self-nom 03:05, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Could you confirm that the bird's appearance facts are sourced with the bird Handbook ref? I'm figuring that the article is essentially based off that book, but I just wanted to make sure. Otherwise it looks good. Thanks, JamieS9312:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
... that Beth Groundwater'snovelA Real Basket Case was nominated for the Best First Novel Agatha Award in 2007 despite the fact that the author won the Princess of Rejection prize from the Sisters in Crime Guppies Chapter for having the second most rejections for her writing in the winter of 2005? -New article, self-nom by Malinaccier (talk)01:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Length (1501 characters) and date verified. However, the article says Akon received five Grammy Awards, not just four. Cunard (talk) 05:11, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
... that George M. Keller added $1 per share at the last minute to his company's bid for Gulf Oil, proving the margin needed to win a 1984 bidding war to buy Gulf in a deal valued at $13.3 billion? -- new article created by User:Icewedge , five-fold expansion and self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 17:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
... that the Tang Dynasty general Tian Xu designated his youngest son Tian Ji'an as his heir because his wife Princess Jiacheng, who was sonless, adopted Tian Ji'an as her own? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 05:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I realize that the claim is citable to the document submitted, but it contradicts many, many articles on other later buildings (e.g. Cathedral Church of St. Paul, Detroit). I think perhaps it was intended to signify the final stage of Victorian Gothic Revival; earlier in the same document it says that "the design is representative of the eclectic styling of the final years of the Victorian era." Mangoe (talk) 00:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Have reduced slightly, but not sure I can reduce it any further without losing the impact of the hook. Perhaps someone else can assist. Spy007au (talk) 07:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
First hook ok, foreign language ref accepted in good faith. The "debated in Europe" part of the second hook is not present in the article. --Bruce1ee06:44, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Self-nom. Sorry for the slightly longer hook - the length is mainly due to the fact that the article title is itself so long, and had to be piped. The actual displayed text is only 187 chars. Fut.Perf.☼11:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
All ok, print refs. Link to feast added, and perhaps a "probably" should be added, as it is not certain the motet was written before the feast. But ok as it is. Johnbod (talk) 13:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the query, and for reviewing the article. I wrote "top diplomat" simply on the assumption that a country's permanent representative to the UN is one of its most important diplomats. Van Lierop was the diplomat who voiced Vanuatu's position on international affairs throughout the 1980s. If that's not OK, though, it can be rephrased, of course. How about "one of Vanuatu's senior diplomats"? Or even "Vanuatu's Permanent Representative to the United Nations"? Aridd (talk) 18:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Length, date and foreign-language hook ref. accepted in good faith. But how about this: ALT: ... that the first speeding ticket ever issued in Norway was given to a tram driver in 1894 on the Briskeby Line? --Bruce1ee 10:21, 16 October 2008
Can you reword it a bit? The current version is not very good. I suggest something like "... only the hero Sigurd could remove the sword that the god Odin plunged into the huge tree Barnstokkr, which stood in King Völsung's hall?". Chamalwork14:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I've split this article into sections, which is what I believe Jacky is referring to. I don't have access to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, so source accepted in good faith. -- How do you turn this on (talk) 15:25, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
As I have pointed out at User talk:Ironholds#Copyright concerns, the original article created by Ironholds is basically a very thinly rewritten version of the ODNB entry (not a straight copy and paste, but the same facts, presented in pretty much the same order, often using the same or very similar words). Some additional sources have been added to verify particular points, but the text still essentially parallels the ODNB entry. There is some further discussion about some other recent articles by Ironholdshere. -- Testing times (talk) 09:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
For the avoidance of any doubt, I am quite sure this was a good-faith attempt to write a new article based on the ODNB entry. The ODNB was clearly given as a reference, so plagiarism is not the issue really. My concern is that "based upon" in this case amounts to "very thin rewriting of" (not quite a cut and paste, but not very far away from that either). -- Testing times (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The article is fine, but this hook isn't particularly interesting, or catching imo. I'm not particularly creative, but I wonder if a better hook can be thought of? Best wishes, -- How do you turn this on (talk) 15:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm very open to a better hook, I'm sometimes not very catchy. She was known as the "Poison lady" since she was the Poison Control Center's go to person for 40 years, so maybe there's something there? There's a claim she haunts her old lab but that's not much use, it's only cited in a student paper so I didn't even include it. Or how about that she got a honorary Doctorate from a University which was a rival to where she was already a professor, despite never having gone to college? The hook I gave stems from the chain of coincidences that started much of it... if her husband, who apparently wanted to be a camp DJ, hadn't failed his induction physical into the Canadian Army, they wouldn't have moved to the Bahamas, and if they hadn't moved to the Bahamas (and remembered to take the applicable parts of their Collectanea (a word they apparently coined or reused as it is very uncommon, try Google searching for it) with them) they never would have wrote the first book... which led to 9 more, 12 collaborations on other books, and over a hundred scientific papers... That is all inference, not sourced, but it's pretty obvious. It also won't fit in a hook. Ideas? She's a remarkable person and I could not BELIEVE we didn't have an article on her already! (Try running a google search on her name inside WP, it comes up a LOT, anything to do with tropical fruits seems to cite her work. ... I linked some just now using AWB but I only did a quarter of what I could have) ++Lar: t/c17:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
How about something like: ... that Julia Morton, founder of the Morton Collectanea, prolific author and expert on the subject of medicinal and toxic plants, first garnered attention for writing Fifty Tropical Fruits of Nassau after her husband failed a Canadian military physical and they moved to the Bahamas at the start of WW II? Well, it sounded good in my head. And now, since Lar has made me look up the Morton Collectanaea, I may just have to see if there's enough source material to justify its own article. --InkSplotch (talk) 19:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Art will have your head for that hook, it's WAY over 200 chars :) I like it though! :) As for the Collectanea, I've written the University of Miami librarians to see if we can get a free license for this pic: which would be a good image for the lede of such an article. Say... did you know ... that the Morton Collectanea remained uncomputerized as late as 1996, relying on manual indexing and information retrieval? :) ++Lar: t/c20:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Eeee..this is where I admit I don't even know the guidelines for a DYK hook. Alright then, we pare it waaaay down: ... that Julia Morton first gained attention for her work on medicinal and toxic plants after writing Fifty Tropical Fruits of Nassau, because her husband failed a military physical? --InkSplotch (talk) 22:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Hate the new wording. How would ...did you know that the Bald Eagle bird is the national symbol of the United States? look? If you must state that it is a bird (and what is the harm in leaving some uncertainty, you are trying to pique curiosity) a less clumsy way of doing so must be possible. Sabine's Sunbirdtalk05:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
... that, when the Tang Dynasty general Zhang Xiaozhong turned against the warlord Li Weiyue, whom he served, and joined the imperial cause, Li Weiyue killed Zhang's brothers and sons who were under his control? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 09:08, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Comment: I wouldn't bet on that the identity will remain unknown for very much longer, the Swedes say they know who he is. They just need to find his family and inform them before releasing the identity. See my addition to the article. Manxruler (talk) 06:05, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
The Swedes seem close to confirming his real name and they have already confirmed that he was a Swedish citizen. When the name is released, it could be possible to have a hook something like: "... that Abu Qaswarah (or his real name), the second in command of Al-Qaida in Iraq, was Swedish?" Manxruler (talk) 22:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but this to this isn't yet a five-fold expansion. Articles that have been already created for a while (about a week at the least) need to be expanded by five-fold for it to be accepted into DYK. The first version contains 1846 characters, while the second version contains 3431 characters. You will have to expand the article to at least 9230 characters if you want it to be a five-fold expansion. – RyanCross (talk) 07:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Verified date, length, and ref for the second hook, which I prefer (partly because Paul Krugman has already been featured on ITN). --BorgQueen (talk) 07:42, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
... that semantic targeting techniques attempt to match keywords from online advertisements with the true meaning and context of the website's content, thereby preventing ads from being shown in illogical or inappropriate places? ~ New article by Emperor roscoe; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!)11:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC). Interesting article, but my hook suggestion could do with some work; alternatives are welcome.
Sorry, this was my "first draft" hook; I wrote a <200-character version, but I must have copied and pasted the wrong one. I'll try to remember what the condensed version was... Hassocks5489 (tickets please!)21:33, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Can the hook fact be given an inline citation immediately after it in the text, please? (See the rules above) I can't find one at present. Date and length are both fine. Olaf Davis | Talk10:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
The article is marked as a stub, both in the main body and in the rating on the talk page, and thus is currently ineligible for a DYK listing. See Misplaced Pages:Did you know#DYK rules. Also, the article is currently too short, only 1091 characters in the narrative section (excluding the infobox and References), which is below the absolute 1500 charcter minimum. Nsk92 (talk) 04:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Following the Queen's recent visit to Google HQ, where she saw the video (and laughed), could we modify to the following? This has been cited in the article:
Length, history and reference verified. Although, can we get rid of "the laughing baby is one of the few internet memes that have entered popular culture" in the intro? When internet memes and viral videos have been parodied and alluded to on shows like Arrested Development, The Simpsons and Family Guy are often shown on TV news ("Bride Has Massive Hair Wig Out"), and as I type MSN.com has this story linked from its main page, that must either be the biggest "few" in the world or the person who wrote that either in the source in the article just woke up after falling into a coma back in 1994. Daniel Case (talk) 14:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
To preempt an obvious objection, the other two U.S. Navy four-star admirals who fathered four-star sons were either promoted to that rank posthumously or at retirement; neither served in that rank while on active duty. - Morinao (talk) 06:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Length, creation history and ref verified. The hook wording could be a little clearer; perhaps "...that can include penalties excluding those who do not..." → "...that can exclude people who do not..." Hassocks5489 (tickets please!)12:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
The correct spelling of the place is "Tahawus". This should probably be fixed before being accepted. Also, please resolve the merger issue with the already existing article at Tahawus, New York. --Polaron | Talk16:41, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Note: We are "breaking the rules" (including the unwritten ones) these articles were prepared in under 5 days but are being delayed. (We are allowed to break the rules if we decide to do so.)
This is maybe short but is an excellent article for Halloween. If Verne Equinox and someone else (you?) agrees then can we just break the rules and move this back a week or more? Oh and I added a pic with an orange pumpkin which I think would be more eye catching. Victuallers (talk) 10:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- I've been clearing articles toward the bottom (and the rest of you guys should too!) but I have to weigh in on this one.... the article newness and length are fine. The hook is in the article and there is adequate sourcing to support what it says (which in essence is that there is a race, it is held in place X, and uses equipment Y... normally that's rather ho num but not in this case!) even though it's not exactly sourced directly from the hook's sentence. So this article is all set. The added pic is awesome (although I like the other one in the article slightly better). I strongly support bending the rules a bit and putting this one up on 31 October if there is no compelling reason not to (other than rules) and meanwhile maybe people can expand it even further? I want to hear about the other classes, motor and experimental!... I'd also say if we can find other thematics, let's have at least one Halloween related article in each update on 31 October... what do you all think? (Maybe take that to WT:DYK... ) ++Lar: t/c12:43, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I had never thought about the Hallowe'en connection. I think its a great idea! Since your discussion, I have added 2 more images to Commons and changed the one on this page. It might suit the theme better .. The other one that I added is of a motorized competitor in response to one of the comments above. I really have no other information at the moment regarding the motorized class. The particular boat shown failed to make the finish line though - I think he got lost in a fog ... Verne Equinox (talk) 00:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Note: It can wait until Oct. 31, but it would be well past the five to seven day limit.Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC) Don't worry! You created it in less than 5. Its us who are late. Thx. Victuallers (talk) 08:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
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Length, date and hook refs verified. --Bruce1ee 12:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
- evidence here all fine. Suggest lose "by scientists" as obvious Victuallers (talk) 11:43, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Length of the article is too short at 1035 characters. The DYK rules only count the prose in the article as being part of the 1500 characters count — not the infoboxes, tables or references per Art La Pella's Unwritten Rules A2. Could you expand it some more?
- nice article about something clever. Pity no on line cites. Victuallers (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
No inline citations in the article confirming the hook is true. – RyanCross (talk) 07:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Could you confirm that the bird's appearance facts are sourced with the bird Handbook ref? I'm figuring that the article is essentially based off that book, but I just wanted to make sure. Otherwise it looks good. Thanks, JamieS93 12:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Length and date verified, offline references accepted on good faith. JamieS93 14:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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- Note...this article was from 13th Oct ... we're breaking the rules!! Victuallers (talk) 17:05, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
