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Washington, DC

Thanks for contributing to the Washington article, but can you add a source to the info you added? Thanks. If you need help inserting the reference, let me know.--AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 21:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Rules to edit by

Hi. Please familiarize yourself with two of Misplaced Pages's official policies:

• Misplaced Pages:No original research
• Misplaced Pages:Verifiability

Also you may want to look at the reliable sources guidelines. The policies are non-negotiable rules. They are the reason your edits to Virgin birth of Jesus continue to be reverted. If you can provide reliable sources for the paragraph you keep re-posting, and write it in neutral point of view, then it won't get deleted. Thanks. =Axlq (talk) 21:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I responded to your comment on my talk page, but it basically says the same thing as I wrote above. =Axlq (talk) 01:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

Hello, Werdnawerdna! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Misplaced Pages. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already loving Misplaced Pages you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Happy editing! -- Jza84 · (talk) 14:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC) Getting Started Misplaced Pages Tutorial • The five pillars of Misplaced Pages How to: edit a page • upload an image Getting Help Frequently Asked Questions Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and Guidelines Neutral point of view • Reliable sources Verifiability • Citing sources • No original research What Misplaced Pages is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The Community Community Portal • Adopt-a-user program Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • Resolving disputes Build consensus • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Things to do Be bold in editing • Help develop an article Pages needing attention • Peer review Join a WikiProject • Translating articles Cleaning up: General • Spam • Vandalism Miscellaneous Categories • Disambiguity • Stubs User pages • Talk pages Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

I would add that it is convention for places of birth in Britain to use the county of the time, i.e. Stretford, Lancashire pre 1 April 1974 and Stretford, Greater Manchester after this date. There are also guidelines on places at WP:PLACE and WP:UKCITIES. Hope that helps! Once again, welcome! -- Jza84 · (talk) 14:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

March 2008

Hi, the recent edit you made to Crimewatch UK has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Will 19:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

The recent edit you made to Sally Anne Bowman constitutes vandalism, and has been reverted. Please do not continue to vandalize pages; use the sandbox for testing. Thanks. Will 19:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC))

You weren't adding anything. Her being born in Sutton in 1987 is already there. You're pushing on several articles to have a non-standard "London Borough of Foo" added to pages where it doesn't matter. I suggest that, in order to not get caught up again, to read the above links that were given. Will 19:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

And what about the first one? If the non-standard spelling "sqeeze" is proper usage in this context there should be some explanation of this. —Random832 20:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Squeeze should normally have a 'u' in it, like the one I added in Crimewatch UK. The only exception would be a brand name that uses an incorrect spelling as its name. I corrected a spelling error - now I'm being told that I'm wrong, and my correction has been reverted back. This is an encyclopedia. It is an educational website - it should not be showing incorrect spellings. Lots of people make fun of this site because of its errors. I'm improving many pages by correcting errors, and people are reverting them to being wrong again - why?

from Werdnawerdna

The Good Life

Please stop your edits of The Good Life article. Surbiton is, by the people who live there, thought of as Surrey, and your edits insisting on the precise legality and unnecessary, especially for an article on a TV series. The programme always states it to be in Surrey, and it's something that's important for the show's suburban setting. The Government reforms of the 1960s and 1970s with regards to countries were largely ignored by many, and insisting upon them strikes me as a bit POV. If people go to the Surbiton article they will see where it officially is, and there is no need to state this on an article about a TV series.--UpDown (talk) 08:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Arthur C. Clarke

NNDB is not regarded as a reliable source, and even if it were, their quote is unsourced, refers to admission of one encounter only, which does not necessarily make Clarke bisexual, and it's clear he didn't want to talk about it anyway. The other site is also unsourced. We do not "out" people here, even if they're dead, on the basis of wishy-washy synthesis of unreliable sources. Thanks. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 21:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing data

Please have a look at the Policies and guidelines quoted above in Jza84's welcome message. You will see that where materieal is added it needs to be verifiable. Online references are ideal as any[REDACTED] user can check them out for themselves. If references are offline (eg your use of a reference to Panorama in your contribution to Chalvey) maximum evidence should be provided, eg date of broadcast so that users can follow the reference up for themselves. Thanks. Grblundell (talk) 10:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Another comment; instead of adding a link to a geneology website, it's better to add it as a reference using <ref> ref tags. If you want to find out how to do so, just ask me or see this page. Veinor 19:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic categories

Hi. I've undone most of your additions of the Eurasian category; remember that categories are not exempt from WP:V and WP:BLP. If you feel like adding them again, please make sure that the article contains a well-reference assertion that the subject's ethnicity is relevant to their notability. Thanks, --John (talk) 19:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

White pride

You added unsourced original reseach to the White pride article. This has been reverted. If you can find sources for the information you were trying to add, then please do contribute them. Thanks. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

July 2008

Welcome to Misplaced Pages, and thank you for your contributions, including your edits to Anwar Ibrahim. However, please be aware of Misplaced Pages's policy that biographical information about living persons must not be libelous. Any controversial statements about a living person added to an article, or any other Misplaced Pages page, must include proper sources. Thank you. - Bob K | Talk 19:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent deaths category

Hi. I noticed that you have added Category:Recent deaths to a couple of articles. However this is not necessary as they are included in the category automatically when the {{recent death}} template is used. Regards. Road Wizard (talk) 20:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. The recent edit you made to Knoxville, Tennessee has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent deaths sidebar

Seems like you don't know the format for the Recent Deaths sidebar, it goes like this:

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Also, please use the pipe trick when there is a parenthesized term following the name (i.e. ] )

Thanks! —Mr. Matté (/_Contrib) 14:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Username policy#Similar usernames

Hi, You probably weren't aware, but we already have a user User:Werdna. As per Misplaced Pages:Username_policy#Similar usernames, could I trouble you to pick another name? You can keep using the same account, but to avoid confusion, best to have it renamed - just visit Misplaced Pages:Changing username. Thanks, Ben Aveling 11:54, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey Werdanwerdna. I think your name is okay but it would probably be a good idea to put a disambiguation note on the userpage saying that you're not the administrator Werdna whose user page may be found "over there". I feel this would satisfy most people who may be inclined to make you change your account. As an example, there is an administrator here called User:Bduke and earlier in the year a new user arrived called User:Bduke2. So I put a note on his userpage to clarify for other editors that he was a different Bduke, and so he wouldn't have to change his name. You could also put a similar note on your user page User:Werdnawerdna so that there is no confusion in future. Just a suggestion. Cheers, Sarah 15:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Peter Roget

Where'd you find Herefordshire as place of death? Can you cite it if true? I find books saying West Malvern is where he was on vacation, but maybe he stepped across the border... Dicklyon (talk) 22:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

You can reply here. I reverted again, as the factoid you added was contradicted by the cited source. If you want to make a correction, you need to cite the source of it. Dicklyon (talk) 23:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I had already added a link to the birth and death indexes in the external links section. It states death registered in Ledbury, which is in Herefordshire. I put it under external links rather than against his name because the indexes also prove his son's lifespan and grandson's birth year as well. The official records are a higher standard of proof than any other source - better than any article. Births, deaths and marriages are, by law, registered in the area that they took place in.Werdnawerdna (talk) 23:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

External links tend to be pretty ephemeral, because nobody can see what they're there for. Go ahead and add a citation, which will then last. I've editted it to also include the fact that he was vacationing in West Malvern at the time (I supposed he crossed over the border to a doctor or hospital for something?). Dicklyon (talk) 23:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Proof of age

Hi Werdnawerdna, I have revised your recent addition to WP:Death by age in order to preserve the neutrality of the guideline. Also, signatures should not be included on the project page. If you want to give your opinion, you can write about it on the discussion page. Sebwite (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Mark Boxer

Your "place of death" entry for Mark Boxer raises a broader issue. Boxer died at home, in Brentford, Middlesex - however, the death was registered at Hounslow, Middelesex. I wonder which is of more interest/value to readers? ExLibre (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

NNDB

Hi Werdnawerdna. I've seen that you've made reference on several talk pages that NNDB lists someone's sexuality as one thing or another. Please be aware that within Misplaced Pages standards, NNDB is not considered a reliable source and cannot be used as a reference in articles, or as argument for inclusion of facts in articles. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

LGBT

Just as a point of information, regarding this edit, pedophilia is not considered LGBT, due mostly to the fact that pedophilia is a power issue, not an issue of a persons relationships or gender identity. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Your claim on my talk page that Happiness is not an LGBT-related film is incorrect. Although it is fictional, its portrayal of a dedicated homosexual pedophile is accurate. The pedophile character in that film used planned predation to target young boys only (one victim is shown, the other is referred to later). If he were straight, it would have been impossible for him to do what he did - no heterosexual man could bugger a male of any age under any circumstances. A straight man would not have a motive to do such a thing in the first place. No matter how sadistic and power-crazed a straight man is, he would not even consider committing homosexual acts against anyone. Whilst many straight men deliberately commit power-based abuses, they never use the method of buggering a male - only homosexual and bisexual males are capable of that, due to the biological basis of acheiving an erection. In order for a male to be the active participant in a homosexual act, he has to be sexually excited by another male; that requires him to be either homo or bi. The fact that pedophilia is a power abuse issue does not preclude the fact that pedophiles are hetero, homo or bi, just like the rest of the population. Rape is a form of power abuse, but rapists are hetero, homo or bi; hetero rapists only target female victims, homo rapists only target male victims and bi rapists target both genders. Pedophilia and rape are both sexual power abuse moral and legal violations; no-one would claim that rape and rapists cannot be LGBT - therefore many pedophiles are LGBT by definition. All pederasts (which the character in Happiness is) are simultaneously homosexual/bisexual and pedophilic. The claim that no pedophiles are LGBT, or that pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality, is a lie. It is propaganda, used by the LGBT community, in an attempt to unjustly clear themselves of any blame. Only a small minority of people are pedophiles. It is not in dispute that pedophilia is a perversion much more common in men than women. It is equally true that pedophilia is much more common in LGBT men than in straight men. The statistics by orientation of pedophiles known to the authorities, along with the proportion of victims that are of each gender, proves that absolutely. One of the main characters in Happiness is a pederast, which, by definition, is an LGBT person. Therefore, Happiness is an LGBT-related film. Werdnawerdna (talk) 17:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

You are WAAY off base here. I invite you to read pedophilia and pederasty to determine the differences. Also read Men who have sex with men and LGBT.

Some things to note:

• Your statement about the statistic that pedophilia is much more common in LGBT men than in straight men is false. A quick reference to back that up:

There is no support for the popular contention that pedophilia is more often homosexual than heterosexual. - Money, John (1988), Gay, Straight, and In-Between: The Sexology of Erotic Orientation, Oxford University Press, p. 155, ISBN 0195054075

• Nowhere in the pedophilia article is homosexuality mentioned. In fact, gender isn't mentioned much at all.
• The LGBT community does not accept pedophilia as a part the community. There are religious conservatives who try to equate being gay (men in relationships with men, self-identified and consensual) with being a pedophile (usually non-consensual sex (not relationships) with pre-pubescent children). By definition, though, pedophilia is not part of the community.
• The LGBT community is self-identified and is based on a person's sexual orientation and/or gender identity.

To the movie at hand, Happiness (1998 film) has a storyline about a pedophile. That's one story about a rapist. The movie in no way shows a consensual relationship between men, and is therefore not "LGBT-related".

Regardless of your statements like "No matter how sadistic and power-crazed a straight man is, he would not even consider committing homosexual acts against anyone.", you are off-base and incorrect. I urge you to find other topics to edit, and/or to learn more about these topics before continuing to edit articles on them. If you must reply, you can do so here to keep the conversation together. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:29, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

The sex offender character in Happiness is a pedophile, a pederast, a rapist and LGBT - he is all four simultaneously. I am aware of the definitions of each; he definitely fits the descriptions of all four of them. The fact that the vast majority of pedophiles are male and that over a third of known victims of pedophilia are male, proves that, among homosexual men, there is a higher incidence of pedophilia, as the large majority of people are straight. One of the main factors the authorities (in my country at least) use to determine a known pedophile's risk of reoffending is his orientation. Homosexual and bisexual pedophiles have been proved to have a significantly higher recidivism rate that heterosexual pedophiles, the police and social services know that, and use that fact as one of the main determining factors in judging the level of risk to children presented by any individual pedophile who is not incarcerated. Regardless of whether or not the LGBT community, or individual LGBT people, 'accept pedophilia as part of the community', there are pedophiles within that community, and at a significantly higher incidence than among heterosexuals. The above administrator claims that being gay is 'men in relationships with men, self-identified and consensual'. However, many homosexual men have one-night stands, cruise for encounters with strangers in public places, sleep around etc. without having relationships. Although some straight people do likewise with people of the opposite sex, such behaviour/lifestyle is undoubtedly much more common among homosexual and bisexual men than heterosexual men or women. It is a fact that, on average, homosexual men are considerably more promiscuous than straight men, confirmed by surveys, and the rates of HIV infection, many times higher in incidence among homosexual men than among heterosexuals of either gender. Many actively homosexual people are in denial of their orientation, many others know they are homosexual, but claim to be heterosexual. Such people are definitely LGBT, even though they don't self-identify; they are not, in any sense, straight. Homosexual men raping straight males of various ages exists, as does homosexual men raping those of the same orientation as themselves. Therefore, many LGBT people do not fit into any, let alone all three, criteria which SatyrTN claims that they do. To claim that 'pedophilia is not part of the community' is, at best, wishful thinking or naivety, at worst a big black lie. There are many active pederasts who self-identify as homosexual or bisexual, some of whom proudly proclaim their LGBT identity. Some of them engage in sexual activity with adults and children, some rape as well as having consensual sex. The idea that there is a metaphorical, bold, definitive line between LGBT people (all of whom only have consenting sex within loving relationships with adults), and pedophiles (all of whom target both genders of children and never have sex with adults), is ludicrous. Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Dennis Nilsen: all undoubtedly LGBT, yet none of them come close to fitting in with SatyrTN's rose-tinted, narrowly-defined description of LGBT people. Werdnawerdna (talk) 21:22, 22 October 2008 (UTC)