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==Vandalism==
This article is complete and utter tosh. I'm sorry but, sentences like "Latest to enter bollywood from Kapoor clan is the hearthrob of the nation Ranbir Kapoor,Rishi's son. Khanna's have also made bollywood proud.Rajesh Khanna was the 1st ever superstar of bollywood." have no place here. I'm going to see if I can find a clean version. ] (]) 20:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

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What Crap is this

The Khatris are Aryans like most Indians. However,they are a merchant caste and not Kshatriyas like the Rajputs, Jats, Nairs, Coorgis, etc. They are respected in India.

who changed the earlier article and added this crap "they are not usually military in their character, though considerable numbers enlisted during the great War, they have not however the same military qualities as the Jat Sikh to whom they are greatly socially inferior." please remove this nonsense and roll back the original article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrwordsworth (talkcontribs) 02:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Intothefire (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC) The Khatri, a merchant is not a Kshtriya the warrior. No one can create a confusion on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.153 (talk) 17:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

What about the Puri clan?

Okay so I'm asking this because my last name is Puri, as well because my family has a long military tradition, in terms of old swords and armour and stuff. And because we are chandravanshi On the article http://en.wikipedia.org/Puri_(Family_Name) it is mentioned that the puri descend from the puru tribe. This is also mentioned in the books that are referenced in the article. So does that mean that we are not khatri? I just need clarification on this. Because i thought that kshatriya and khatri were the same thing.

Could someone clarify this for me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rijul.puri (talkcontribs) 09:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Need for reorganization

  1. Divisions like Dhai-Ghar etc are of minor significance. They should be mentioned later in the article. Their history needs some careful research.
  2. The discussion of history should be re-organized into a well-written section.
  3. Shared heritage should be in the section on history.

Puri are indeed a clan of Khatris.

Khatris are the Kshatriyas of the Punjab region. Whole of India was once ruled by Kshatriyas. For clarity, the two terms should be used such that Khatri is a specific term and Kshatriya is a general term.--Vikramsingh (talk) 00:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

"A legend based on Hindu oral traditions"

Article states:

A legend based on Hindu oral traditions states that Lahore was named after Lava, son of Lord Rama, who supposedly founded the city. To this day, the Lahore fort has a deserted temple dedicated to Luv (also pronounced as Loh, hence "Loh-awar" or fort of Loh). Another legend says the town of Kasur (now in Pakistan) was named after Kusha, the younger son of Lord Rama.

Actually it is mentioned in Bichitra Natak of Guru Gobind Singh.--Vikramsingh (talk) 00:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

List of anonymous IP s used by Cranks to post on this article

I have reintroduced this section , as a very large no of anonymous ips continue to post junk on this page .
Apparently there are several users with an agenda posting junk or deleting content from this page . If you come across one not listed here please add. It may be useful to check the other contributions of these crank ips as well as their WHOIS origin .

Perhaps they may respond to posts on their Discusssion page recording a history of their vandal edits on variou articles .<nr>

User Special:Contributions User_talk Comment
User:117.195.6.1 Special:Contributions/117.195.6.1 User_talk:117.195.6.1
User:71.183.136.227 Special:Contributions/71.183.136.227 User_talk:71.183.136.227
User:71.167.76.23 Special:Contributions/71.167.76.23 User_talk:71.167.76.23
User:208.125.3.245 Special:Contributions/208.125.3.245 User_talk:208.125.3.245 this one not only has a problem with Khatris but also also has a personal problem with a provincial Pakistani politician Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi
User:65.88.88.153 Special:Contributions/65.88.88.153 User_talk:65.88.88.153 This one posts its opinion on an eclectic range of articles ..has a problem with Sitaram Yechury‎ and Prakash Karat
User:64.61.130.108 Special:Contributions/64.61.130.108 User_talk:64.61.130.108 in all probability same as above user

and vandals the following list of articles Prakash Karat‎ and Kshatriya and Brinda Karat and Khatri and GSLV III and Sochi

User:58.179.181.171 Special:Contributions/58.179.181.171 User_talk:58.179.181.171
User:58.178.108.241 Special:Contributions/58.178.108.241 User_talk:58.178.108.241 deletes the following sourced content

Revision as of 23:38, 1 October 2007 (edit) (undo) Colnel Cracoroft thus describes the Khatri
If on the one hand , the Khattar be fierce and blood thirsty , the Khatri of Jandal is courageous and persevering , and although living from day to day with a knife at his throat is as defiant as if he were backed by force far out weighing that of the Khattars and Khattaks and Afridis together |30px|30px|From Gazetteer of the Rawalpindi District 1893-94 page 126

User:58.105.42.173 Special:Contributions/58.105.42.173 User_talk:58.105.42.173
User:70.174.180.38 Special:Contributions/70.174.180.38 User_talk:70.174.180.38 Seems to be the same as the User:Devraj Singh posts considering same day posts or deletes of similar content with regard to this users own opinion on Khatris on two different pages Khatri and Kshatriya This is a common trait of vandal users on[REDACTED] to use an anonymous ip for boorish posts
User:68.100.79.207 Special:Contributions/68.100.79.207 User_talk:68.100.79.207
User:68.161.226.201 Special:Contributions/68.161.226.201 User_talk:68.161.226.201
User:65.88.88.153 Special:Contributions/65.88.88.153 User_talk:65.88.88.153
User:220.225.233.153 Special:Contributions/220.225.233.153 User_talk:220.225.233.153

Intothefire (talk) 06:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Good idea.--Vikramsingh (talk) 01:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Intothefire (talk) 17:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 08:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 05:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

From the GAZETTEER LUDHIANA

I think this large quote is mostly redundant. I suggest we remove it after merging parts of the text to other parts, if needed (with citation).--Vikramsingh (talk) 01:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Some cleaning is needed.--ISKapoor (talk) 03:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Shanti bhai vandal edits using sockpuppets

User Shanti bhai
has been using scores of Sockpuppets to vandal the Khatri and many other articles as well . please see his talk page
Here for example are specifically two edit dates between which he has contributed a number of vandal posts . The edit history between these two posts makes it amply clear how shanti bhai has used several new user ids and anonymous posts to completely vandal this article . The two posts are
Shanti bhai Revision as of 13:55, 5 August 2008

and

Shanti bhai Revision as of 09:58, 6 August 2008

Intothefire (talk) 05:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

This article is complete and utter tosh. I'm sorry but, sentences like "Latest to enter bollywood from Kapoor clan is the hearthrob of the nation Ranbir Kapoor,Rishi's son. Khanna's have also made bollywood proud.Rajesh Khanna was the 1st ever superstar of bollywood." have no place here. I'm going to see if I can find a clean version. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 20:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

  1. Gazetteer of the Rawalpindi District Published by Sang -e-meel Publications ,Lahore , Pakistan
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