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This can't be right

It couldn't be because of quick warming of the hard palette because I always get brainfreeze while I'm chugging a glass of cold milk and the only thing that stopped it was to stop drinking the milk.

killing me coldly

I thought this was a result of referred pain from the throat.

Someone needs to do a trial, with the following conditions:

  1. Keeping the cold icecream in the mouth until it is body temp, then swallowing, and
  2. Feeding softened icecream into the throat (bypassing the mouth).

That sould determine the location of the nerves responding.

Reply: I am sure I've read somewhere that brain freeze is caused by contact between cold substances and the throat, not the roof of the mouth. Long ago, upon reading it, I experimented by repeatedly holding an icee to the roof of my mouth for a prolonged time. I didn't get brain freeze (and I often do when eating/drinking cold stuff), so I believe it. D S 23:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)DS
Yes, it is an example of referred pain and I added that information along with a source that says its been studied as an example of referred pain, linking to the article on the subject.Giovanni33 09:29, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
(Reply to original comment) that would be original research. Repku (talk) 08:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Journal article

Can someone supply some more information on the journal article mentioned? In particular, it would be interesting to know *when* it was published - and also, why the fact that one of the authors was a 13-year old is so noteworthy. Although curious, I don't really see how it relates to the "brain freeze" topic itself. -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 01:45, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Scientific Name

spheno palatine ganglioneuralgia 

 A brain freeze can usually last just a few seconds in many people.

The

article should note that there are other forms of "brainfreeze":

experiences caused by various smells, chemicals, such as perfume;

being emotionally overwhelmed;

being cognitively overwhelmed;

other similar experiences.

Hopiakuta 20:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. This article is specifically related to brain freeze caused by the introduction of cold substances to the mouth/throat are. Other conditions, such as emotionally charged conditions, are similar, but ultimately, completely different. I would suggest perhaps putting a segment in the article devoted to Emotion (effects of, something like that) instead of adding it to this particular topic. Top of the t'you and happy editing!

Thermoregulation

A mammals ability to regulate it's temperature via endothermic homeostasis is primarily an evolutionary need to keep the animals brain within a specific temperature range. When a very cold substance is introduced to the flesh surrounding the primary blood flow to the brain, a sudden drop in the brains temperature occurs. Since the brain has no means of sensing direct touch, pressure or pain, a non-localized and non-specific sensation is felt. We call this a "brain freeze" and it resembles a headache. An example of this would be a beverage of ice chips suspended in a flavored liquid, i.e., a Slurpee or an Icee, cooling the inside of the throat next to the carotid artery. Unfortunately no studies have been found on this theory.

Reply: You are probably right about this. This is exactly what I was thinking.

Prevalence?

So... if I understand it right, not everyone experiences brain freeze when consuming large amounts of cold foods or beverages?

This would make sense as I personally never experienced it and always wondered as a child why that was when the other kids were visibly in pain (the explanation they would usually give me seems to be wrong -- according to medical examinations I do in fact possess a brain).

Shouldn't the initial paragraph read "a form of cranial pain or headache which some people are known to experience"? Or even "a form of cranial pain or headache which some people are known to sometimes experience" if you want to keep the "sometimes" in there.

Right now up to the bit about the test results it seems to imply everybody experiences it, just not as frequently. — Ashmodai 14:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ha! Finally, someone else who doesn't get brain freeze! I eat ice cream wicked fast (and gulp down cold/frozen drinks at lightning speed) and the worst I get is my low-enamel front teeth hurting, but usually a severely numb mouth. Maybe it has something to do with how I am always feeling so ridiculously hot, but my body temp is usually at or a little below 98.6. --Deb

I have recurring nasal polyps that I periodically have to have removed. I have for many years been able to eat ice cream as fast as possible without any problem. Once after having the nasal polyps removed (I believe it was from my sphenoid and ethmoid sinuses that time) I started eating ice cream at my normal rate and got a wicked Brain Freeze. I tend to believe the polyps normally insulate the nerves in those sinuses and therefore discount the referred pain theory, at least in my case. 75.68.214.208 22:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Mike

This vasoconstriction is in place to reduce blood flow to the area, and thus minimize heat loss to keep warmth at the body's penis

Is the 'Penis' thing right or is it a typo?

Sounds like vandalism, but I could be wrong. 207.12.38.25 02:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I would tend to agree with the vandalism bit. Remember though, this isn't a chat page; unless something is relevant to the article, try not to post it. As for including a bit about the exclusivity of brain freeze, I completely agree. It is important to note that not everyone experiences it. If you could find a reason as to why, that, of course, would be a much-loved bonus! Top of the t'you all.
It's not vandalism of any sort. He was referring to 'shrinkage' of the penis in cold environments.

So are nerves near roof of mouth, or in throat?

Which is true? The article indicates the roof of the mouth; but some people say it's actually reffered pain -- and the nerves are located in the throat (check the discussion above). Is the article wrong? 207.12.38.25 02:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

They are both true. The article outlines both of them to point out that some studies have shown that the aforementioned "brain-freeze" can be caused by either introducing cold objects to the roof of the mouth or to the throat. Top of the t'you, good comment.

So, does vasoconstriction cause pain?

The article jumps from vasoconstriction to pain, actually digressing to discuss rebound vasodilation, without making a clear causal connection between vasoconstriction and pain. This could be reworded to make this clearer. Steve carlson 01:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Breathe fast or slow?

"Creating a mask with one's hands placed over the mouth and nose while breathing rapidly is also said to be useful since the temperature in the mouth rises quickly"

versus the earlier statement:

"The pain is not caused by the cold temperature alone, rather quick warming of the hard palate. Letting the mouth slowly adjust back to normal temperatures can prevent this from occurring"

These two statements seem to contradict one another... one says that the effect is caused by rapid warming of the palate after being cold, while the other says it can be relieved by rapid warming of the palate... huh??75.28.41.156 13:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Why do some people not get brain freezes?

I do not get brain freezes. My friends and I recently conducted an experiment where I drank a slurpee as fast as I could to see if I could get a brain freeze or not. The only thing I succeeded in doing was finishing a perfectly good slurpee without enjoying it and receiving very cold pains in my chest and upper spinal area.

I was told that this only happens when one gets an extremely bad brain freeze, but I, however, never felt any "headache" or pain in my brain area.

Can anyone tell me why?

198.213.171.98 (talk) 01:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

It has been my experience that usually those with sparse brain matter report this phenomenon. Those with heavier, denser brain material usually do not. In short, the stupider brain is more prone to freezing. Bulbous (talk) 00:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Right, that makes a lot of sense. </sarcasm> (and I presume you were being sarcastic as well) --173.52.1.202 (talk) 11:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Can a brain freeze kill you?

I had a brain freeze one time that almost killed my friend and me. I was driving and I drank a slurpee too fast and ended up passing out for about 2 minutes. My friend said my eyes rolled into the back of my head. If I have another massive brain freeze again, could it possibly cause damage to the brain or even death?

Can anyone tell me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.86.224.66 (talk) 20:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I would guess only if the brain freeze induces some kind of secondary effect, maybe a seizure or an epileptic episode, but that's only a wild guess on my part and nothing scientifc. 193.215.199.34 (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Just an observation from personal experience

It seems to be more prevalent if the temperature of the thing being consumed is lower relative to the body temperature. After just coming back from running, drinking a cold drink gave me a slight brain freeze, but 10 minutes later, after I had cooled down a bit, I didn't get a brain freeze despite drinking the same drink with the same temperature. --216.165.62.50 (talk) 03:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Cause

This article has previously claimed vasodilation as a cause and now says that it is just the brain's perception of contact with cold food...neither of these were cited nor reason given for the replacement of the old claim with the new one...24.164.75.68 (talk) 01:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Title

I moved the page back to Brain Freeze. That is the most common name and even if it wasn't, a consensus must first be reached before a move can take place. Grk1011 (talk) 03:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it is most known as "Brain Freeze". Greekboy (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
"Brain Freeze", despite a somewhat well-known popular term, has no references whatsoever. I'm not going to immediately move it back, because I would have preferred moving the page to "Ice cream headache". Bulbous (talk) 14:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
If anyone cares, the ultimate arbiter of pop-culture, Homer Simpson, made reference to an "Ice Cream Headache" in The Simpsons' episode GABF14. That should be the final nail in the coffin for "Brain Freeze". Bulbous (talk) 19:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

This page should be moved to "Ice cream headache" as supported by all the references. The title "Brain freeze" is unencyclopedic and completely unreferenced. I would suggest that "Brain freeze" properly redirect to "Ice cream headache". Bulbous (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

"Ice cream headache" is the medical term used in all references in this article, and all of those I have been able to locate to date. Despite your suggestion that "brain freeze can easily be referenced" , I have seen no references whatsoever (outside of blogs and the usual nonsense). In fact, there isn't really enough citation to prove that "brain freeze" is even a real thing, never mind a proper page title. Bulbous (talk) 13:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Did you check here a very reliable source? Vegaswikian (talk) 19:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Clearly Merriam-Webster is a reliable source that supports the current title. Vegaswikian (talk) 05:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
    Yes, and as such you should support the move as ice cream headache precedes brain freeze in usage by almost 30 years according to MW, .--Crossmr (talk) 06:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Ice cream headache predates brain freeze by almost 30 years according to MW and the article even states "primarily known as..." there is no reason for it to sit here. There is no point of view issue with the implication as to the cause as this is the most common name associated with it.--Crossmr (talk) 06:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Photo

Need photo of someone having a brain freeze. Badagnani (talk) 04:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. Badagnani (talk) 04:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure this really does anything to illustrated what an ice cream headache is. About the only thing that could would be a cut away kind of medical picture to illustrate what is happening in the head during this time. This is little different from showing a picture of a person sitting in a chair with a caption that reads "This person is suffering from internal bleeding" or "this person has an enlarged heart".--Crossmr (talk) 06:28, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

It's the best that could be found. He's clearly in some distress, in the same way that aspirin manufacturers use photos of headache sufferers rubbing their temples in pain. Badagnani (talk) 19:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Those are advertisements, not encyclopedic entries. Any photos used need to illustrate the subject, not imply it.--Crossmr (talk) 01:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

ICHD code is ICHD-II-13.11.2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZarniwoopMD (talk • contribs) 19:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Crossmr, the image illustrates nothing at all. A medical illustration would be interesting indeed. --Ronz (talk) 04:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Why not use the same images as in Sphenopalatine ganglion, or maybe just the first? --Ronz (talk) 04:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep photo - the deletion made earlier today by User:Ronz was not helpful to this article. Badagnani (talk) 04:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
    • While the intentions are good, I think the image is of questionable importance. What we need is an MRI of the headache, or something a bit more informative. Does the person know that their child is being used on Misplaced Pages? If I was his parent, I might have a problem with that. Viriditas (talk) 05:00, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
      • Certainly the father knows; in an effort to improve this article I wrote to him to ask his permission to use the photo, and additional details about it, then let him know we were using it. Like most Flickr editors I've emailed for permission (probably over 100), he was pleased to contribute this illustration of someone suffering from this condition (the best available at Flickr). An MRI or X-ray would be fine, but this photo illustrates the physicological effects in a RL manner, as opposed to a scan or cross-section of a brain, etc. As such, to be maximally encyclopedic, photos of both would be desirable. However, finding such things and obtaining permissions can take time. As you can see from the discussion above, even finding and obtaining permission for this photo did take a bit of time and effort. Badagnani (talk) 05:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
        • Honestly, I had no idea that you did that. Do you often tell people you are doing this much work? It might change the way people see you. I appreciate the time and energy you took to do this. But, there are good arguments for keeping and removing the photo, and in these types of instances, I would recommend removing it as default. I personally don't find it informative, but that's just me. I'm not going to vote "keep" or "delete" because that's too simplistic for my tastes, but perhaps you could find another photo to use? I mean, it would save a lot of disagreement if we just left the article without a photo for now. Of course, that's what I would do; you obviously might feel differently and you are welcome to keep arguing about it, but it would show your editing in a better light if you were to compromise. Viriditas (talk) 05:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
      • Yes, I usually write to Flickr photographers to let them know how we're using their photos, to seek their permission, find out more about their photos, etc. It's simply out of the utmost respect for their contributions to our project. Badagnani (talk) 05:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a terrific photo. Very illustrative. If there is some kind of medical illustration that can be added that would be good too. I also think the title brain freeze would be better. Maybe an RfC to get general input would be good? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Didn't this article used to be entitled Brain freeze? Besides the U.S., is this term also prevalent in Canada, the UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, etc.? Badagnani (talk) 05:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes. Was there discussion that led to this page move? Badagnani (talk) 05:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
Google Books search:

Badagnani (talk) 05:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Google search:

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