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Page posting formats

As you asked, here is how posting indent formatting works.

I make a comment. (1)

I wish to respond to that comment.(2)

I wish to respond to the second comment.(3)

I respond to the third comment.(4)

I wish to respond to the first comment also, after the other comments were posted. (5)

Does that explain it? Let me know if you have more questions. Tealwisp (talk) 06:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

March 2009

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. J.delanoy_adds 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a battleground, and Misplaced Pages is not a forum. Misplaced Pages is also not a publisher of original thought. Do not use Misplaced Pages for pushing a point of view. Edit warring and POV pushing is unacceptable under any circumstances, and if you continue to do so, you will quickly find yourself banned from editing. J.delanoy_adds 12:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

None of the the contributions/arguments I made are original thought. They are all from academics, published by established publishing houses and universities. I am not the one who is pushing POV here. Kansas Bear and the others are by not allowing even the expression of doubt about the genocide and their desire to represent it as an established fact. Since you deny me the right to discuss my contributions about the armenian genocide and appear to agree with pro-recognition views, I can assume[REDACTED] has taken a stand in the dispute on the side of armenian genocide recognizers? At least that way we can establish wikipedia's position on the genocide and perhaps something could be done against it. Or is it just your POV and abusing your administrator rights to push your POV? How can you deny me the right to defend my contributions when they are all properly referenced by legitimate sources? Ibrahim4048 (talk) 13:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I am not abusing my administrator rights, nor am I pushing a POV. I warned you solely because you were about to violate the three-revert-rule, and I wanted to make you aware of the rule so that you would not be blocked. I have, to the best of my knowledge, never edited any articles even remotely related to Turkey and Armenia, or if I did, the edits were either removing vandalism or correcting obvious typos or formatting errors. So you cannot even tell what POV I have in this situation, much less provide evidence that I am abusing my administrator rights to push a POV. J.delanoy_adds 14:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk page ettiquette

I know you're new to Misplaced Pages, so I just want to give you a tip: be as concise as possible when you post to a talk page. You can read an essay on it at WP:TLDR. I know you have a lot to say, but there are some editors who don't bother to read long comments, and that can result in an array of problems. If you have to post a long comment, I recommend spreading it across a few paragraphs so that it is easier to follow. Just remember to put the colons at the start of each new paragraph so that they are all equally indented. Tealwisp (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although we invite everyone to contribute constructively here, we would like to remind you not to attack other editors, as you did with this edit to Talk:Mehmed Talat. You may wish to read the introduction to editing for more information about Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Cheers Kyle1278 05:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

You are not correct comments can be removed if they are an attack or a threat which your seems to be "how dare you" is an example Misplaced Pages is not a battle ground it is for nice calm talk which you did not contribute to. Cheers Kyle1278 05:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Reverts made to the Mehmet Talat article

Your recent edits are being discussed here: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#Disruptive_edits_to_the_Mehmet_Talat_article, you may wish to respond. Meowy 20:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Mehmed Talat

I don't think you can bring about a "win" here for your side. The other editors are unwilling to compromise on this case. You may have some better luck discussing the idea of trying to avoid using the word "genocide" on a talk page, but I doubt it. You may want to start an RfC reharding the POV fork that you believe you found. I think you may have a good point with that, and I will try to help you start it if I can. Tealwisp (talk) 01:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

And of course I'll be watching. I have had long-term aspirations to improve both the Armenian Genocide entry and the Denial of the Armenian Genocide entry. So, Ibrahim4048, if you do continue, I might have to bring those aspirations forward. I've given this advice before: "let sleeping dogs lie". The end result of your editing of "sleeping" articles may be that they become so improved that your POV-warring will have the opposite effect that you desire. That, ironically, has already happened in the Mehmet Talat article - the additional materials on the courts martial would not have been there if it were not for you, and the silly Andonian quote would probably still be there! Meowy 01:32, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Since I am no POV warroir as you repeatedly claimed, I would welcome any improvement as long as it is referenced and verified. Let me remind you again that I am not a genocide denier. I recognized the genocide for a time in my life but after reading some books, I started having doubts about it and the way it is used and portrayed in the media. The young turks were not nazi's and the armenians were certainly not so innocent and do not compare with the patriotic people the jews were in germany. I can understand the hardships the armenians went trough and see why they call it a genocide. The only problem for me is the double standards that are being used in the use of the term genocide. Why not call what turks went trough in the balkan and the crimea genocide? Why not call the attempt by the european powers to destroy the ottoman empire and all the victims that fell as a result genocide? Why not call palestina genocide? The palestinians are also in an armed nationalistic struggle just like the armenian dashnaks and hunchaks were and just like armenians civilians were the victims of the struggle so are the palestinian civilians the victims of the struggle between israel and hamas.

The term genocide is used as a political weapon and not as a justified term. Either loosen the criteria for genocide so that it means something like large amount of civilian victims and apply it to all cases or realize that the current criteria for genocide are not met in the armenian genocide allegation. You have to prove that the ottoman government had the intention to exterminate the armenian people. I don't believe they had such intentions and only reacted to the dangerous situation of the approaching russians and armenian separatist groups aiding them by taking a measure (relocation) that was intended to save their own lives. I do not deny this measure had disastrous effects on the armenians nor that beside the relocation there were massacres committed by the kurdish, arab, circassian and turkish militia's and civilians. All this was a result of the war and they are simply things that happen in war. If you want to call it a genocide go ahead but call all the other massacres where civilians fell genocide too. If you don't and only call the holocaust and the armenian genocide, genocide then you are saying the armenian genocide was the same thing as the holocaust and this simply is not true. Ibrahim4048 (talk) 10:21, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Fact and fantasy

Dear Ibrahim4048,

Hang on in there in your dispute with Meeow. He just had a go at me on the same page for asserting that there was a Russian invasion of Turkey in November 1914. See my response. You can't tell these Assyrians anything, I'm afraid. They're just too brainwashed to accept anybody else's version of events, whether backed up by sources or not. Keep presenting him with the inconvenient truth, and you might get somewhere in the end.

Djwilms (talk) 09:35, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

12 hour block