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:Re . If other articles are not following ]'s "The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question." then that doesn't mean this article (which had so much libel that the foundation was emailed about it) can also ignore it when challenged. The term starting date as Supreme Court Justice is only given a month and year in ref 1 - when there is no inline citation to where the info is coming from, readers have to go find other mentions in the article to see if it exists, and if it does if it has an inline citation. That's bad, like citing a book without a page number, making the readers go look for the source info instead of "clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question." - ]. Please go read ] and ]. Also see ] which explains that multiple citations to the same source should not duplicate the cite but should use the name parameter in the refs. :Re . If other articles are not following ]'s "The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question." then that doesn't mean this article (which had so much libel that the foundation was emailed about it) can also ignore it when challenged. The term starting date as Supreme Court Justice is only given a month and year in ref 1 - when there is no inline citation to where the info is coming from, readers have to go find other mentions in the article to see if it exists, and if it does if it has an inline citation. That's bad, like citing a book without a page number, making the readers go look for the source info instead of "clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question." - ]. Please go read ] and ]. Also see ] which explains that multiple citations to the same source should not duplicate the cite but should use the name parameter in the refs.
:Inline citations mean I can check for birth_place in the annual-report2004 and since I can't find it in there I can remove that citation. Without inline citations I would have had to look in the article to find the bad citation, leading to a badly cited article. -- ], 2009-04-22]21:19z :Inline citations mean I can check for birth_place in the annual-report2004 and since I can't find it in there I can remove that citation. Without inline citations I would have had to look in the article to find the bad citation, leading to a badly cited article. -- ], 2009-04-22]21:19z

::Re .
::] states "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material", so if someone '''challenges''' a fact, it needs to be reffed. Because of all the libel, and the information with refs which didn't state the information it was supposed to ref, I'm challenging everything to keep this article up to the standards required by ]. If you think my edits are bad, ].
::I realise the Supreme start date is from annual-report2004 p. 20 which is what I put in 32 seconds before I posted "The term starting date as Supreme Court Justice is only given a month and year in ref 1". I also wrote "when there is no inline citation to where the info is coming from, readers have to go find other mentions in the article to see if it exists, and if it does if it has an inline citation", which was the reason why that info should be reffed inline.
::"Mr. Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar Born on 22nd March 1944. Passed B.Sc. from University of Sindh in 1966; LL.B., from Law College, Lahore, University of Punjab in 1969; enrolled as Advocate in 1970 and practiced law for 25 years; elevated as Judge High Court of Sindh on 10th April, 1995; elevated as Judge, Supreme Court of Pakistan on 28th April, 2000." doesn't have the birth_place - people are not always born where the go to University.
::The Syndicate position is reffed, the date is not in that source. -- ], 2009-04-23]06:28z

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Abdul Hameed Dogar referencing.

Re , I've reverted it again because

  1. not all the info in that infobox was referenced, especially not the info with tags,
  2. wp:v states "The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question."
  3. wp:blp states "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion", I'm trying to fix this article because of all the libel,
  4. multiple citations to the same source should not duplicate the cite but should use the name parameter in refs,
  5. you removed the NowPublic which has a year which was missing from the Rushmore ref.

Please go read wp:v and wp:blp, and sign your talk page posts. -- Jeandré, 2009-04-22t14:18z

Re . If other articles are not following wp:v's "The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question." then that doesn't mean this article (which had so much libel that the foundation was emailed about it) can also ignore it when challenged. The term starting date as Supreme Court Justice is only given a month and year in ref 1 - when there is no inline citation to where the info is coming from, readers have to go find other mentions in the article to see if it exists, and if it does if it has an inline citation. That's bad, like citing a book without a page number, making the readers go look for the source info instead of "clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question." - wp:v. Please go read wp:v and wp:blp. Also see wp:cite which explains that multiple citations to the same source should not duplicate the cite but should use the name parameter in the refs.
Inline citations mean I can check for birth_place in the annual-report2004 and since I can't find it in there I can remove that citation. Without inline citations I would have had to look in the article to find the bad citation, leading to a badly cited article. -- Jeandré, 2009-04-22t21:19z
Re .
wp:v states "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material", so if someone challenges a fact, it needs to be reffed. Because of all the libel, and the information with refs which didn't state the information it was supposed to ref, I'm challenging everything to keep this article up to the standards required by wp:blp. If you think my edits are bad, you can ask to have me blocked.
I realise the Supreme start date is from annual-report2004 p. 20 which is what I put in 32 seconds before I posted "The term starting date as Supreme Court Justice is only given a month and year in ref 1". I also wrote "when there is no inline citation to where the info is coming from, readers have to go find other mentions in the article to see if it exists, and if it does if it has an inline citation", which was the reason why that info should be reffed inline.
"Mr. Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar Born on 22nd March 1944. Passed B.Sc. from University of Sindh in 1966; LL.B., from Law College, Lahore, University of Punjab in 1969; enrolled as Advocate in 1970 and practiced law for 25 years; elevated as Judge High Court of Sindh on 10th April, 1995; elevated as Judge, Supreme Court of Pakistan on 28th April, 2000." doesn't have the birth_place - people are not always born where the go to University.
The Syndicate position is reffed, the date is not in that source. -- Jeandré, 2009-04-23t06:28z
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