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| :'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete''' - per a number of previous discussions, consensus is that being selected as the first round draft pick of a particular team is not a defining characteristic. It does not seem to me that being the first round pick within a particular league's draft or having been the first person selected overall in a particular draft is any more defining. If kept then the AFL category needs to be renamed to correct the capitalization. ] (]) 16:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC) | :'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete''' - per a number of previous discussions, consensus is that being selected as the first round draft pick of a particular team is not a defining characteristic. It does not seem to me that being the first round pick within a particular league's draft or having been the first person selected overall in a particular draft is any more defining. If kept then the AFL category needs to be renamed to correct the capitalization. ] (]) 16:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep All (with one possible exception)''' All of these categories are capturing clear defining characteristics, though I would probably have thought differently of ] if it weren't lumped together in apparent ignorance as a minor league. While many baseball players drafted in the first round never make the parent team, first overall draft picks in Hockey, Basketball or Football are almost always the top athletes in the sport and are defined by their selection as first pick overall or in the first round. The drama and hype that surrounds the draft of the NFL, especially the first round, is indicative of the strong defining nature of being selected in the first round or first overall. Nominator would benefit greatly from having any understanding of the categories involved rather than trying to ram any vaguely similar categories into the garbage chute based on utterly irrelevant "precedent". ] (]) 18:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC) | |||
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May 24
NEW NOMINATIONS
Category:Football (soccer) managers in Australia
- Propose renaming
- Category:Football managers in Australia by club to Category:Football (soccer) managers in Australia by club
- Category:Football managers in Australia to Category:Football (soccer) managers in Australia
- Nominator's rationale: listed are exclusively managers of association football clubs, and for Australia, the term 'football' requires clarity and therefore should have the standard[REDACTED] disambiguate 'football (soccer)' Mayumashu (talk) 18:44, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Folk musical instruments
- Category:Folk musical instruments - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. We've already merged all subcats of this cat into Category:Musical instruments by nationality, and only the parent cat remains. I still submit that MIbN fulfills basically the entire role of this cat, and that the current Category:Folk musical instruments is an impediment to proper categorisation. As it stands, a lot of new articles are chucked into this cat when they are clearly applicable to Category:Nepalese musical instruments, etc. The actual term "folk" is pretty vague, and though I personally enjoy many genres deemed "folk music" I feel the term inhibits proper categorisation and smacks of Western bias. That is, classical Chinese and Indian instruments get lumped as "folk" because they aren't generally played by elderly white Bostonians in tuxedos. I submit that Category:Musical instruments by nationality can take this cat's place in both the Category:Folk music tree and the Category:Musical instruments tree with a major net benefit to the trees and lessened chances of specifically Peruvian/Albanian/Kuwaiti/Malaysian instruments being chucked into "Folk" categories. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Humane Order of African Redemption
- Category:Humane Order of African Redemption - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete/Listify? Rename? - Is this sufficiently prestigious per WP:OC#AWARD for a category? If not then delete, otherwise rename to Category:Humane Order of African Redemption recipients per many other award recipients categories. Otto4711 (talk) 17:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Commment - the word 'Liberian' is missing - Liberian Humane Order of African Redemption. Arthur Young (police officer) was given a truly staggering number of such awards, including this one. No evidence is presented to suggest that it is prestigious (the related articles are not good) so I suppose 'delete' would be reasonable. (There is no list that I can find, neither is there even a template.) Occuli (talk) 18:24, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
First draft picks
- Category:National Hockey League first round draft picks - Template:Lc1
- Category:National Hockey League first overall draft picks - Template:Lc1
- Category:World Hockey Association first round draft picks - Template:Lc1
- Category:World Hockey Association first overall draft picks - Template:Lc1
- Category:Ontario Hockey League first round draft picks - Template:Lc1
- Category:Women's National Basketball Association first overall draft picks - Template:Lc1
- Category:National Football League first overall draft picks - Template:Lc1
- Category:American Football League First Overall Draft Picks - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete - per a number of previous discussions, consensus is that being selected as the first round draft pick of a particular team is not a defining characteristic. It does not seem to me that being the first round pick within a particular league's draft or having been the first person selected overall in a particular draft is any more defining. If kept then the AFL category needs to be renamed to correct the capitalization. Otto4711 (talk) 16:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Keep All (with one possible exception) All of these categories are capturing clear defining characteristics, though I would probably have thought differently of Category:Ontario Hockey League first round draft picks if it weren't lumped together in apparent ignorance as a minor league. While many baseball players drafted in the first round never make the parent team, first overall draft picks in Hockey, Basketball or Football are almost always the top athletes in the sport and are defined by their selection as first pick overall or in the first round. The drama and hype that surrounds the draft of the NFL, especially the first round, is indicative of the strong defining nature of being selected in the first round or first overall. Nominator would benefit greatly from having any understanding of the categories involved rather than trying to ram any vaguely similar categories into the garbage chute based on utterly irrelevant "precedent". Alansohn (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Soccer clubs in Adelaide
- Category:Soccer clubs in Adelaide - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Replaced by Category:Football (soccer) clubs in Adelaide. See discussion on talk page. timsdad 12:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support - In effect "Soccer clubs in Adelaide" has been renamed to "Football (soccer) clubs in Adelaide", but it wasn't physically done that way, so the empty, inappropriately named and no longer used Category:Soccer clubs in Adelaide still exists. It now needs to be deleted. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support nom, per Category:Australian football (soccer) clubs. Occuli (talk) 15:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Converts to Scientology
- Category:Converts to Scientology - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Scientology is compatible with other religions. (see Scientology and other religions) This a basic tenet of Scientology. Secondly, as a new wave religion, most Scientologists are not born into it, making this categorization superfluous. Gilliam (talk) 07:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Hare Krishnas by nationality
- Propose renaming Category:Hare Krishnas by nationality to Category:Gaudiya Vaishnavas by nationality
- Nominator's rationale: Correct name of the religion is Gaudiya Vaishnava or more specifically ISKCON Wikid 07:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I am afraid you have to nominate all the others such as Category:American Hare Krishnas ... it makes no sense to change things piecemeal. Category:Gaudiya Vaishnavas doesn't exist. So your complete nom would be to change 'Hare Krishnas' to 'Gaudiya Vaishnavas' throughout category space? (We do have Category:Gaudiya Vaishnava, but not Category:Hare Krishna.) I might well support this if thoroughly done ... it would be helpful to have some more input from experts in this area, which I am not (and neither is Good Olfactory AFAIK, and EstherLois is PastorWayne, a methodist pastor). Occuli (talk) 13:34, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Infection-related dermatology categories
- Propose renaming
- Category:Infectious skin conditions to Category:Infection-related cutaneous conditions
- Category:Bacterial skin conditions to Category:Bacterium-related cutaneous conditions
- Category:Mycobacterial skin conditions to Category:Mycobacterium-related cutaneous condition
- Category:Mycotic skin conditions to Category:Mycosis-related cutaneous conditions
- Category:Viral skin conditions to Category:Virus-related cutaneous conditions
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. I started the WP:DERM taskforce, and have been working to categorize dermatology articles in an organized fashion. The proposed categorization scheme is specifically at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Medicine/Dermatology_task_force/Categorization, which was developed from discussions at the main[REDACTED] medicine page (see that link for more details). As per that scheme, the term "skin" should probably be renamed to "cutaneous" as the scope of these categories are not strictly limited to conditions that affect the skin, but also the mucous membranes (i.e. inside the mouth, lining of the eyes, nose, etc.). There also seems to be a strong consensus in favor of using the term "cutaneous" in this context. For a listing of conditions being considered part of these categories, see the list_of_skin-related_conditions#Infectious_skin_diseases. With that being said, if this rename is enacted, I will (1) add additional information to the category introductions discussing the category title in language directed towards the general reader, and (2) create redirects from the existing category names. ---kilbad (talk) 02:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Per nom, for the same reasons as the chronic blistering skin conditions. Skin isn't all-inclusive; cutaneous is. Danierrr (talk) 02:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Support—This makes a lot of sense and is logical. Thanks to Kilbad, who alerted me to this discussion since I supported his preliminary moves in this direction. Tony (talk) 04:55, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Shipwrecks of the Georgia coast
- Category:Shipwrecks of the Georgia coast - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Shipwrecks of the Georgia (U.S. state) coast. MoS for categories related to Georgia (U.S. state) is to avoid confusion with Georgia (country). APK straight up now tell me 00:53, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Delete category is a duplicate and is already empty. Alansohn (talk) 02:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Delete The name of this cat, which I created nearly two years ago, is definitely too ambiguous. The single article in the category has been moved to the more appropriately named Category:Shipwrecks of the Georgia (U.S. state) coast. Maralia (talk) 04:08, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Hare Krishnas
- Category:Hare Krishnas - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Empty cat Wikid 00:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Keep – It is not empty as it has a non-empty subcat; and indeed there is the subcat scheme Category:Hare Krishnas by nationality. Occuli (talk) 00:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Note – Category is a duplication of other the official designation or name of the same sect or religion. Which is Category:Gaudiya Vaishnava with sub-cat of Category:Gaudiya_religious_figures. If it is deemed that Category:Hare Krishnas is the official name that would mean that this category will need to be repopulated which will double up on the same group. Wikid 07:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Category:Hare Krishna religious leaders
- Category:Hare Krishna religious leaders - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Empty cat Wikid 00:23, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Comment – it is empty because one Wikidas has emptied it on 23 May. Is there an alternative means of categorising such people? Eg A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada looks like a 'Hare Krishna religious leader' to me, and surely there are others. Occuli (talk) 00:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose and repopulate This is a strong defining characteristic. Any entries removed should be reinserted. Alansohn (talk) 02:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Note –The category is redundant since all the leaders and figures were located under Category:ISKCON religious figures or other categories. Hare Krishna in Misplaced Pages refers mainly to the Hare Krishna mantra. One of ISKCON leaders was listed for a very long time in this category, while all others were already in Category:ISKCON religious figures
- This needs to be explained somewhere. What is the difference between Category:Religious figures and Category:Religious leaders? And surely there are some in Category:Hare Krishnas who are neither figures nor leaders? (Hare Krishna is a familiar term to me whereas the others are not.) Occuli (talk) 13:22, 24 May 2009 (UTC)