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	*'''Oppose''' All the external links refer to the film as 'Dusha'. The above editor should however sign his or her post. ] (]) 22:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' All the external links refer to the film as 'Dusha'. The above editor should however sign his or her post. ] (]) 22:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
	*'''Oppose''' The film was never released under an English title. Per ], a Russian transcription of the original title will be used. --] (]) 22:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)		*'''Oppose''' The film was never released under an English title. Per ], a Russian transcription of the original title will be used. --] (]) 22:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
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			1) I find it's all logical to look for a consensus before the move, especially when this is a controversed move, a move which was already discussed on this very talk page. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the very initial move was made without any discussion, nor, this goes without saying, any research of consensus by ]. By the way, just have a look how expediently ] tries to modify the present state of Misplaced Pages, simply deleting any reference to ] everywhere. '''He has, however, never provided any source for his initial unilateral move'''. Does this validate the very initial move by ], meaning that for his move no consensus or discussion were necessary?--] (]) 21:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

			2) Furthermore, back tot he topic, numerous sources were provided with the English title of the movie on this very talk page. Just see above:

			http://who-is-who.com.ua/bookmaket/olimp2006/12/153/2.html

			http://russia.rin.ru/guide_e/3/3/3.html

			http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Sofia-Rotaru

			--] (]) 07:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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Naming

If current fan's film title translation will not be resulted by reliable sources (official english film title), I'll move the article's title back. — Al3xil ✉ 11:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Please, let's be polite first and try to find a consensus second. This is not a "fan's film title translation". Here are the sources:

--Rubikonchik (talk) 10:39, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, Rubikonchik. I'll try to be polite and I ready for a discussion. First, your sources aint reliable: for example, both russia.rin and nationmaster articles are a copypaste from wikipedia. More reliable source IMDB mentioned it as "Dusha": There is an another film with the same name: , I dont think the film title "soul" is an unique in the cinematograph. P.S.: before article's renaming you might discuss it. — Al3xil ✉ 03:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

And about screenshots... Can you, Rubikonchik, ~~download~~ upload another screenshots without logos "фiльм"? If you havent a better version may be i can help with it. — Al3xil ✉ 04:52, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

IMDB is a freely modifiable source - so whoever went there and wrote whatever came to his/her mind. In case where there are numerous films with the same name - there are specific applicable rules of Misplaced Pages. You've broached one subject, haven't provided a single source about it, and moreover you are broaching (i) a second subject at he same time of a different movie called soul of which I personally have never heard and (ii) a third subject of changing logos... Are sure you really know what you want to do and that you have good reasons for it?--Rubikonchik (talk) 14:40, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
- IMDB has wikipedia-like principles and i didnt wish to prove anything, it was an example. I tried to get what sources you used when you renamed the article: Thats all what i want to know. (current sources are, as i said, unreliable). — Al3xil ✉ 17:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I remove questions about a film title, but in the film midpoint isn't meaning a mystical "soul", "where is soul?" referred to the russian expression "singing with a soul" that meaning "inspired singing". In that case, more closer title translation is an "inspiration" (сonsidering that the film has no official english title). Have it in mind. cheers! — Al3xil ✉ 11:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

The film title does not come from this Russian expression. It comes from the dialogoue between Viktoria and the Old Man on the sea pear, where she hides incognito. He tells her that even if she loses her voice, her soul will continue to live in her songs. Viktoria answers: Soul? But where is this soul? Somewhere on youtube you may find a video with this scene in original Russian version... --Rubikonchik (talk) 17:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It is not quite clear to me what do you want to do with screenshots...--Rubikonchik (talk) 14:41, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Me? No, i was mistaken, sorry. I want that you, Rubikonchik, upload screenshots without logos in its right-upper corners. If it possible, of cause. But it was an off topic. — Al3xil ✉ 17:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Naming redux

It has been proposed in this section that Dusha be renamed and moved to Soul (film).

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Dusha → Soul (film) — No discussion took place before User:Erikupoeg moved unilaterally the article. The English title was moreover established by a previous related disussion on this very talk page.--Rubikonchik (talk) 21:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

A discussion between two Wikpedia editors will not establish an English title of a Russian movie. The movie would have had to screen or be released under the English title, otherwise it is a violation of WP:Name#Foreign names. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 22:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose All the external links refer to the film as 'Dusha'. The above editor should however sign his or her post. YeshuaDavid (talk) 22:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Oppose The film was never released under an English title. Per WP:Name#Foreign name, a Russian transcription of the original title will be used. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 22:08, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Support

1) I find it's all logical to look for a consensus before the move, especially when this is a controversed move, a move which was already discussed on this very talk page. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the very initial move was made without any discussion, nor, this goes without saying, any research of consensus by User:Erikupoeg. By the way, just have a look how expediently User:Erikupoeg tries to modify the present state of Misplaced Pages, simply deleting any reference to Soul (film) everywhere. He has, however, never provided any source for his initial unilateral move. Does this validate the very initial move by User:Erikupoeg, meaning that for his move no consensus or discussion were necessary?--Rubikonchik (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

2) Furthermore, back tot he topic, numerous sources were provided with the English title of the movie on this very talk page. Just see above:

http://who-is-who.com.ua/bookmaket/olimp2006/12/153/2.html

http://russia.rin.ru/guide_e/3/3/3.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Sofia-Rotaru

--Rubikonchik (talk) 07:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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