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Current requests

Carl Hewitt

Involved parties

• Party 1:
  • User:R.Koot
  • User:Ems57fcva
• Party 2:
  • User:CarlHewitt

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

User:CarlHewitt has been informed here.

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

A significant amount of effort, by a group of editors, over more than three months has been spent trying to resolve conflicts with Carl Hewitt. See User:R.Koot/Request for Comments on User:CarlHewitt and User talk:CarlHewitt for a summary of the conflicts and efforts done to resolve the conflits and User talk:R.Koot/Request for Comments on User:CarlHewitt for the reasoning behind the decision to start arbitration.

Statement by party 1

• User:R.Koot: I have made my statement on User:R.Koot/Request for Comments on User:CarlHewitt. Given the extreme amount of effort spent, trying to resolve the conflicts with Carl Hewitt, I do not believe Misplaced Pages would be improved by allowing Carl to edit articles on computer science, physics and mathematics. —R. Koot 14:23, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

To summarize: Two persistent complaints are that his contributions are Original research or Self-promotion (see, for example, , User talk:CSTAR/Relativistic information science discussion and Talk:Actor model).

• User:Ems57fcva: I have seen and contributed to User:R.Koot/Request for Comments on User:CarlHewitt, which in my opinion does an excellent job of summing up the case against Carl Hewitt. This has not been a situation amenable to RfC since Carl will back off when faced with enough opposition and/or administrator attention. The trouble is that he then goes elsewhere and starts up the same pattern of self-promotion of the actor model and related pet concepts of his again. It is distracting, disruptive, and is hurting Misplaced Pages. --EMS | Talk 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Statement by party 2

Please see discussion of Rudy Koot's statement at article section User_talk:CarlHewitt#Arbitration_with_Rudy_Koot_and_Edward_Schaefer (the discussion is gradually beginning to build inline throughout the entire section). Thanks,--Carl Hewitt 02:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Note that the discussion above is based on the original statement submitted by Rudy which may be different from the subsequent versions that he has created at User:R.Koot/Request for Comments on User:CarlHewitt.

Two observations can be made:

1. From the discussion, it is evident that Rudy's statement often got it's facts wrong.
2. Many of the recommendations in Rudy's statement are against Misplaced Pages policy. For example, his recommendation that just about all the articles be lumped into the article Actor model goes against the Misplaced Pages recommendation on the size of articles since Actor model is already over the recommended limit.

Regards,--Carl Hewitt 09:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Also please see the following: User_talk:CarlHewitt#A_quote. Thanks, --Carl Hewitt 15:51, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (4/0/0/0)

• Accept. James F. (talk) 20:54, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept ➥the Epopt 00:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept Fred Bauder 16:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept (although I find this case confusing and hope that the Evidence pages will be less so). Kelly Martin (talk) 17:02, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Regarding webcomics deletion

Involved parties

Many, of whom the most notable are:

• User:Snowspinner
• User:Dragonfiend
• User:Aaron Brenneman

A large number of people who have left the project with a bad taste in their mouths

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

Notification will be left on all talk pages.

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

There was a failed RfC on the matter of webcomic deletion broadly. Large amounts of discussion have taken place at Misplaced Pages talk:Websites and previously on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Webcomics/Notability and inclusion guidelines. No RfM has been attempted, because I can't very well mediate on behalf of the people that have been driven off the project.

Statement by Snowspinner

Several users, most notably Aaron and Dragonfiend, have engaged in a persistent campaign to reduce the number of articles that Misplaced Pages has about webcomics. In doing so, they have engaged in a consistent pattern of assuming bad faith, biting the newbies, ramming Misplaced Pages policy through on talk pages with minimal consensus and no outside eyes, and often disregarding the expressed consensus of Wikipedians on AfD in setting their policy. They have, most gallingly, actively declared a lack of concern as to expert opinions on notability in AfDs, accusing experts of having "conflicts of interest" whereby they might use their professional work for the sole purpose of establishing notability on Misplaced Pages, and thus that their opinion should actually count for less than the opinions of people who know nothing about the subject.

Assumptions of bad faith: (Planning a second AfD before the first one has even concluded)

Note particularly where Aaron begins edit counting AfD contributors to discount their votes including Eric Burns, who, although he has 29 edits, has also been around for a year, edited plenty of non-AfD articles, and is, by almost any standard, not a sock. Note also that he signs his edit counts not as himself but instead as the users he is counting the votes of.

Clear intention to disregard established AfD consensus in drafting policy:

I would note also that this issue is doing serious damage to Misplaced Pages, as evidenced by the transformation of Eric Burns (One of the foremost authorities on webcomics, involved in both of the major webcomics review sites, as well as running his own blog, Websnark, which is huge in the webcomics community) has made regarding Misplaced Pages. Around a year ago, he wrote . Recently, he wrote .

The poisonous atmosphere surrounding webcomics is driving off good-faith contributors. It needs to be stopped.

Trivial clarification by Snowspinner

I don't see this as a case regarding deletion policy at large. I do think it's a case involving assumptions of good faith, the fact that Misplaced Pages exists primarily for its readers, and the fact that it is not acceptable to try to craft policy under a relative cloud of secrecy and them to use it as a hammer to reshape consensus. I also don't think that any of these principles are remotely in doubt or need of review. Although I object to some of the webcomic nominations - most extremely Dragonfiend's nomination of Checkerboard Nightmare, I am prepared to accept that they were all made in good faith, if not in good judgment. Regretably, this separates them from much of the conduct surrounding this issue. Phil Sandifer 00:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Response to Sjakkalle

With all due respect, that's just not true... this isn't a case about a few bad AfD nominations. It's a case about a campaign to rid Misplaced Pages of undesirable content, conducted without care to who it drove off, on the implicit assumption that people who only contribute about webcomics aren't real contributors anyway. It's about a "by any means necessary" attitude towards deletion that results in trying to secretly change the rules because you don't like consensus, in trying to call suspicion on every advocate of the other side you can, and in continually declaring bad faith on the part of those you disagree with. In short, people are operating under the influence of m:MPOV. That's what's poisonous. Making a dumb AfD nomination isn't - we've all done that. Phil Sandifer 15:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Statement by party 2

How about an RfC first? - brenneman 21:52, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Statement by party 3

I see no reason to suspect that this issue can't be resolved with the earliest steps of Misplaced Pages:Resolving disputes. -- Dragonfiend 18:47, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Outside view by Sjakkalle

This looks like a weak case.

Like several other categories of article, some webcomics are deleted by AFD consensus and some are kept, and I see no reason for the ArbCom to get involved in making rulings about the deletion of such comics in particular. All the AFD nominations appear to be in good faith, whether or not I agree with them. Marking votes with a very low number of edits, even if they have a long time present is also common and should not be interpreted as a bad faith action. It is left up to the discretion of the AFD closer to decide whether or not to count those votes. If the webcomic deletion nomination was ill-advised it will attract a flurry of "keep"-votes anyway and the article will be kept, so no real harm done. The AFD system has its problems, but as a regular closer of AFD debates I think the system can handle this without the ArbCom getting involved.

Regarding the discussion in the diffs provided it looks like a somewhat heated but altogether controlled discussion between good-faith contributors with a genuine disagreement.

I recommend that the ArbCom reject this case. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Outside view by Rich Farmbrough

While the zealousness of those attempting to dispose of surplus comix may have been a little to much for some of the more expert in the webcomix community, essentially sound procedures were followed where I have looked. It is perhaps unfortunate that the involvement of the external webcomix community was not seen as expert opinion rather than ballot stuffing, and that the AfD process was seen as by the webcomix community as a personal attack. I would like to see those who know webcomix encouraged to support the webcomix project, and to help the AfD process run more smoothly. There are currently several hundred webcomix on the 'pedia, and we need help to distinguish the wheat from the chaff. I urge the proposers to withdraw this case. Rich Farmbrough 22:26, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I am not entirely certain we can ignore this issue. We cannot rest on the letter of the law at the expense of the community spirit. That "essentially sound procedures" were followed does not change the crux of the issue: assumption of bad faith and its effects upon the willingness of those outside the Misplaced Pages community to contribute.

I believe the bottom line here is that if the Webcomix Project is to be representative of the community it is dedicated to, Misplaced Pages cannot afford to alienate knowledgeable people such as Eric Burns.--Rosicrucian 22:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Outside view by David D. talk

This is a response to snowspinners comment above of : "The poisonous atmosphere surrounding webcomics is driving off good-faith contributors. It needs to be stopped."

Just out of interest why should[REDACTED] care what bloggers in general think. If[REDACTED] jumps every time a blogger gets pissed then you may as well just throw out the WP:V and WP:CITE requirements and accept everything. A[REDACTED] with everything will be more of a joke than a[REDACTED] with a few NN things missing. And when I say everything, I mean all schools including day care, all the cafe's in England that serve tea, etc. Everything is not better.

So often it seems that[REDACTED] does not acknowledge it's own quidelines, a type of mob rule seems to exist. If this is the reality that now exists I would suggest[REDACTED] just gets rid of the rules. Banning Afds would be a start. I see many people wasting editing time in these Afd, Rfc and arbitrations rather than filling the huge holes that exist in this encylopedia. By the way it's the huge holes of real content (just check out the science articles) that make[REDACTED] a joke, not to mention enough of it is factually incorrect to drive away knowledgable users (who might have otherwise become contributors if they thought it was a worthwhile resource). Personally, I think the fact that[REDACTED] does not have EVERY pokemon, darlek or webcomic might actually be seen as an asset by many users. Misplaced Pages claims to be bringing all human knowledge to one place. Unfortunately, to many, it looks like[REDACTED] is bringing together all information while the knowledge bit is secondary to the trivia, arguing and preening.

If this web comic becomes more notable then it can be added later. If it is already notable it will be kept. I find Dragonfiends nomination perfectly acceptable. She has set a different line with regard to notablity than Eric Burns but I don't see why she should be hung draw and quartered for having such an opinion. Either get rid of the rules or stop bringing this type of subjective Afd to arbitration. It is a waste of everyones time. This type of nomination will hurt[REDACTED] 10,000 times more than any bloggers comments in cyperspace in wasted man hours. David D. (Talk) 22:43, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I just want to point out that i do not think that[REDACTED] is a joke and I think it can become a very useful compliment to text books and other resources. What is frustrating is to see how much time is wasted in Rfc Afd and arbitration. If you think Afd is broken get rid of it but don't waste time arguing about where to draw the NN line. It is too subjective to be a serious discussion. David D. (Talk) 23:18, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm responding here for the sake of not having a half dozen sections with my name on them - if it's a problem, feel free to move my comments wherever you feel appropriate. But I don't care what "bloggers in general" think. I care what Eric Burns, a reasonable person who knows webcomics cold, is important within the community, and is someone I have found to be respectable and knowledgable in every aspect that I have seen him in thinks. Beyond that, I think you miss the point of the case - I don't object to the Checkerboard Nightmare nomination. Well, I do, but I don't doubt that it was made in good faith. Nor do I object to an effort to draw the NN line, or the existence of a NN line - at least, not here. What I object to is the widespread bad faith - which isn't a question of nominations. It's a question of attitudes, responses, comments, etc. A dumb nomination can be good faith. But to assume bad faith - and to assume bad faith is the default - is poisonous. Phil Sandifer 23:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I think this is appropriate. So why not just ditch Afd. What purpose can it serve when the line for NN is so subjective. Other than causing huge arguments? David D. (Talk) 23:29, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, why don't you try to move AfD to a "historical pages" category and see what happens. Phil Sandifer 23:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

(edit conflict on edit with Phil) Another point I was going to make was that the school Afds are ridiculous, and i'm sure many other Afd topics are heading that way too. With regard to the "historical pages" category I'm not quite sure i get the jist of your comment? David D. (Talk) 23:29, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

If you are wondering why I don't do away with AfD, try doing away with it yourself - you'll see the degree of doomed in the prospect. Phil Sandifer 23:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Are you offering me one of Hercules' tasks? Anyway wouldn't this be a top down decision? I'm sure exactly no one will listen to anything i suggest. David D. (Talk) 23:42, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I think what he is proposing refers less to Hercules and more to Sisyphus.--Rosicrucian 21:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Good point, although, given I am no Hercules it amounts to the same thing. David D. (Talk) 05:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Outside view by Zordrac

Hi there. I got directed here from Wikipedia_talk:Websites as a request.

I have been reading up about the deletionist policy used by many users, and there is evidence that it has significantly swayed voting towards delete. See: User:Zordrac#Big_note. Therefore, I think that people steamrolling votes towards delete generally need to be discouraged. Whilst hypothetically we have an undelete option, the reality is that it is cumbersome and rarely used, and deletions generally are a one way street.

This case is a premium example of deletionism used in its extreme. It is likely due to a hatred of webcomics generally, although it may be against a particular user, or else just because someone likes to delete things a lot. I don't know why it is. I don't know why it is that someone would sit there and make 5,000 votes for deletion in a month and vote "delete" on 92% of them - yet someone did that too (thats more than 15 per day - a lot of work). Is that suggesting that people only ever vote full stop when they are thinking of voting delete? If so, the process is wrong.

I think that the reality is that 90% of people who vote on AFDs are either voting as a split second unresearched decision or else they are just deciding that they want to delete just because they like to delete things (or conversely vote keep just because they like to keep things). This is why I am saying to everyone to vote in all deletions, if they are interested in fairness. I am not saying to everyone to vote keep every time, far from it. But research everything, read the article and firstly see if it makes any assertions of notoriety - if it doesn't, then its an automatic delete. Then do a google check. Google usually picks anything up that you're going to notice. Then decide. There are many examples where people were actually voting speedy delete on very popular and topical issues - purely because of a lack of research and effort that was put in. When I showed the facts, most people changed their votes.

So when we have people going around telling lies about things to try to steamroll votes, it is going to enormously affect the voting habits. If someone puts in a WP:V or a WP:WEB or WP:MUSIC or any of the other nice little WP shortcuts, then people tend to automatically believe them, without even thinking.

My opinion is that it is the process that is the problem, not the users responsible. I think that the deletion process should be improved to the point where voting is largely unnecessary. I think that articles made in good faith should be protected from being able to be deleted for a period of time, and that this should be an automatic thing. And I think that voting should only be a last resort. Most things should be automatic.

Steamrolling votes is a serious problem, and I have seen enough evidence here to see that that is what definitely happened. In my opinion, an appropriate punishment is to prevent them from being able to make AFDs, and, possibly, prevent them from being able to vote. Of course, if they are willing to calm down, then perhaps negotiation can work too. Zordrac 10:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Response to David Gerard by Splash

Yes, encouraging the Arbitrators to enter into a case for the purpose of prejudging it is dead right. -Splash 21:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I would say David's clarification is more than reasonable. I would also point out the irony of assuming bad faith in an arbitration request whose subject is assuming bad faith.--Rosicrucian 21:39, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (4/1/1/0)

• Recuse, but urge acceptance - David Gerard 21:04, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Specifically, on the conduct issues - the perpetuation of an assumption of bad faith as standard is grossly damaging to the Misplaced Pages community and the AC needs to send a message that it cannot be tolerated - David Gerard 16:22, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept to review conduct of editors involved, but not to review deletion policy generally. Kelly Martin (talk) 23:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept. The assumption of bad faith by so many parties is deeply disturbing. James F. (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
• Reject per Sjakkalle and Rich Farmbrough. The arbcom is not here to review deletion policy. Raul654 02:19, 28 November 2005 (UTC) Changed my vote - accept *only* to consider the behavior of the involved editors. Raul654 03:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept ➥the Epopt 00:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Reject policy dispute Fred Bauder 16:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Conduct of User:Reddi with respect to other editors

Involved parties

• User:Reddi
• User:Joshuaschroeder

  NOTE: Joshuaschroeder decided to stop editing Misplaced Pages and his user page was deleted by his request. See . ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 04:59, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

• User:Joke137

  I don't know if adding my name is inappropriate. I have stopped editing for the time being. However, I feel this matter, as summarized by Pjacobi is worth arbitration. If it were accepted, I would be happy to participate. I believe Elerner is also involved in this debacle, as documented in the user conduct RfC. –Joke137 21:03, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

Evidence that User:Reddi will not even engage me when I point out this Request for arbitrartion

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

1. Attempt to get response on QSS page
2. Attempt by Joshuaschroeder to get response on Plasma cosmology talk page
3. Attempt by Art Carlson to get response on Plasma cosmology talk page
4. Attempt to get a response from user directly by Joshuaschroeder
5. Attempt to get a response from user directly by Art Carlson
6. Attempt to get a response on Ultimate fate of the universe talk page
7. RfC started: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Reddi

Evidence that User:Reddi absolutely refuses to engage me as an editor and further that he will not respond to other attempts at mediation:

Statement by party 1

I have been involved in a number of articles concerning how to report on non-standard cosmology here on Misplaced Pages. User:Reddi has determined that my work is trollish and he has made it clear that he will not engage me but instead will simply revert every edit I make on the articles listed in the RfC. He has struck-through my comments on his talkpage asking for him to respond to me claiming that he doesn't deal with trolls. I have no other place to turn to at this moment as he refuses to engage me on the talkpages or on the RfC and seems content to continue his inappropriate actions here at Misplaced Pages.

--Joshuaschroeder 18:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Statement by party 2

 (Please limit your statement to 500 words)

Statement by admin that protected the article (≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @)

I protected the Plasma cosmology article on November 5, due to editwarring, personal attacks and lack of civility in the discussions at the talk page. After a new editor, a subject expert matter joined the editing process (Eric Lerner User:Elerner), and after what I perceived to be a show of good faith by participating editors, I unprotected the article on November 6. Notwithstanding User:Reddi's behavior in not responding to questions by a fellow editor, as a neutral observer I am surprised this interpersonal problem between User:Joshuaschroeder and other editors has arrived to the ArbCom without exploring other avenues for dispute resolution. I received personal email from some one of the editors involved, stating that he is giving up contributing to this article (and probably others) due to the relentless involvement of User:Joshuaschroeder in the editing process. We need passionate editors that care, but sometimes too much passion may elicit the wrong type of response from editors that otherwise are quite happy to engage and collaborate in the editing process with others. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 00:56, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Also note RfC's by User:Joshuaschroeder and User:Joke137 dated Nov 21st against two editors involved in this dispute:

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Reddi
• Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Elerner

Why do we need arbitration two days after a user's RfCs against User:Reddi has been posted by User:Joshuaschroeder? Let these run their course, and then seek mediation if still unsastisfied. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 03:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

The only reason I escalated this to the RfA status so soon is because User:Reddi refused to engage me on the RfC (he struckthrough my comments about both that and this RfC) while continuing to edit articles. Subsequently, Reddi has been banned for Misplaced Pages:3RR and has continued to refuse to address me directly. He has gone as far as to change my posts on talkpages to say something completely different . What evidence is there that he will engage me? He has explicitly claimed that he wouldn't. Joshuaschroeder 05:35, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Read Misplaced Pages's dispute resolution official policy and note that Arbitration is the last resort. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 06:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

1. Informal Mediation
2. Discuss with third parties (e.g. RfC)
3. Mediation
4. Requesting an advocate
5. Last resort: Arbitration

Maybe you should read the evidence I presented that User:Reddi has out-and-out refused to talk and continues to revert and edit articles without using the talkpages. Arbitration is a last resort when there is evidence that other dispute resolution processes won't work. You haven't addressed the evidence I've laid out above. In fact, you've been fairly unresponsive to evidence I've laid out during this entire fiasco. --Joshuaschroeder 17:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Your perceived unresponsiveness to your evidence on my part is based on the fact that nontwithstanding the lack of response by User:Reddi, you have (a) yet to wait to see if the RfC yields changes in attitude; (b) you can explore mediation if the RfC fails to produce such change ; and (c) you can request the assistance of an advocate. Only then, if all three dispute resolution processes fail to produce satisfactory results, you can submit the case to Arbitration. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 19:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I have evidence that User:Reddi was not responsive to the RfC as he continued to edit articles in the same fashion. He then proceded to cross-out every attempt that I made to communicate with him. I already have other people trying to help me (one of whom User:Joke137 has decided to stop editting due to the interminable conflicts). This has been ongoing for some time, and it isn't the first time that User:Reddi's conduct has been pointed out to this body. There is plenty of evidence above showing why I resorted to this since informal advocacy seems to be getting us nowhere (see the work of Art Carlson and your half-hearted attempt at moderation) did not engage Reddi's reticence. Therefore The RfArb is what is left to appeal to. --Joshuaschroeder 20:34, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I have said all I could in my statement above and in responding tou your comments.. Now it is up to the ArbCom to decide if to hear this case or not. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 21:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Statement by Pjacobi

While only tangentially involved in this dispute with Reddi, I cannot help but give a supporting statement for Joshuaschroeder and Joke137 which have been harassed by Reddi ], ]. I'd be very sad if they really decide to leave because of this.

Reddi is on mission to give minority or fringe views in science greater weight in Misplaced Pages. This mission has its legitimate part, as we want to document all knowledge, but it also has (in my not so humble opinion) an illegitimate part, if these views start to invade the main articles in the field and are presented in way, which may mislead our readers. I've met Reddi all over since starting to edit Misplaced Pages, beginning with Testatika (which I voted to keep BTW), later the Tesla related stuff, recently in Motionless Electrical Generator. Mostly I had the impression of good (bad ill-directed) faith, so his behaviour in this case came rather as surprise.

The background for all this is IMHO, that there is simmering, undecided problem with clarification of NPOV in scientific topics. Is it right for Misplaced Pages to present the topic as seen by academic science, including minority views, but establishing the consensus view if this is quite clear. Or would this be presenting an academic POV, as Reddi never gets tired to protest? Can we rely on the scientific process, with it's visible results like academic text books, peer-reviewed journal articles, citation counts, or is this censuring?

Pjacobi 11:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

William M. Connolley 21:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC) (I endorse Pjacobi's statement (every word of it); not sure if its appropriate for me to; remove if not)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (4/0/0/0)

• Accept. James F. (talk) 00:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept. Kelly Martin (talk) 06:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept ➥the Epopt 23:14, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
• Accept Fred Bauder 15:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Requests for Clarification

Requests for clarification from the Arbcom on matters related to the arbitration process.

Checkuser Awilliamson

From WP:RFM/JoA:

User:Durova: We seem to have broken the deadlock and the article is much improved. I'd like to solicit Admin's help for one continuing problem. Switisweti and I are convinced that AWilliamson is still damaging the article via anonymous IP addresses. These range from aggressive POV edits to outright vandalism.

-St|eve 07:49, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Zen-master race and intelligence ban clarification/justification question

The admin Ryan Delaney has banned me (I am on probation) from the race and intelligence article for adding the {npov} template to a highly and fundamentally disputed article (and area of research). A quick look at the talk page will show the article and area of research have been accused (with citations) of unscientific and racism inducing methodologies. It also has as its foundation IQ testing which is itself highly disputed on numerous points.

Another admin has already poitned out to Ryan that (from Misplaced Pages:Probation) "A ban may be imposed only for good cause which shall be documented in a section set aside for that purpose in the arbitration case. Banning without good cause or in bad faith shall be grounds for censure, restriction, or removal of administrative access". The only explanation Ryan offered was in a check in summary which labeled my action as a "disruption", I challenge Ryan or anyone to show exactly how adding an {npov} template to an article that is (fundamentally) disputed in good faith is a "disruption"? For recent discussion of this see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Zen-master#Impositions_of_a_ban_under_the_probation_remedy. There seems to be a highly coordinated effort to censor, mischaracterize or lessen fundamental criticisms of "race" and "intelligence" "research". zen master T 18:29, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

You have a history of disruptively adding permanent {npov} templates to articles until you get your way. This is part of a pattern. Jayjg 19:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

A quick look at the talk page will show other editors agree with me that the race and intelligence article is fundamentally disputed. Please assume good faith and investigate this issue. The criteria here is not about me getting my "way", the issue is Ryan Delaney and other admins repeatedly trying to deny the existence of criticisms of what appears to be a racism inducing article, aren't you at all concerned about that possibility? How can adding {npov} be "disruptive" if an in good faith dispute exists? zen master T 19:04, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

While there are legitimate issues with respect to the framing of the issues, your way of struggling regarding the framing of issues has been found to be disruptive, see Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Zen-master#Disruptive_edits. Fred Bauder 20:21, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Are arbitration decisions to be taken seriously in climate change dispute?

Moved to Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2#Are arbitration decisions to be taken seriously in climate change dispute?.

Baku Ibne

I know this case was quite a while ago, but for those of you who remember it, I have one question: Why was Baku Ibne not among the accounts blocked as a result of this ruling?

It appears to be an oversight, but Baku_Ibne (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has not edited since March, 2005. Fred Bauder 15:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

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