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Something you just get used to in law is slogging through bad writing. One habit above all others is wont to produce bad writing (in any field, not just law): Circumlocution. Think about that, P77.

P77's complaint arises from a section of Talk:Sarah Palin (this one). As I explain in more detail at that link, user:Lambchop2008 made some disparaging remarks about the article's editors, prompting me to note that s/he is an SPA whose only contributions to WP have been to make defamatory remarks about Palin, and who has previously been warned for doing so. Given that SPAs are often socks, I raised that possibility, too, and suggested that any further edits they make be watched closely. P77 is apparently unhappy with this, but your guess is as good as mine as to why.- Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 21:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Noting only that I informed Dodd of this topic and extend my original comment to clarify that the next diff (one minute later) adjusted one unfortunate choice of language in the original "wielding your name" diff linked to above. (Rebuttal/rhetorical analysis of communications upon request, but it would seem rather res ipsa loquitur. See WP:CIV and Misplaced Pages:AGF#Dealing_with_bad_faith). -- Proofreader77 (talk) 01:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Dear me, take a day or so off and come back to this... I hesitate to even ask, but what precisely is wanted of me here? Is there a specific request? KillerChihuahuaAdvice 22:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

You have already made a gesture with regard to How certain editors discourage participation from those of different perspective, so let's see how that plays out (within the larger frame of the civility poll which clarifies the complexity of "all this.") -- Proofreader77 (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

From Sakecity7

EVERYONE HATES YOU —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sakecity7 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Not quite everyone; some of us are still willing to drop the Puppy a tidbit every now and then. But KC does occassionly offend the type of editor who might reasonably be described as "aggressively ignorant". I can't for the life of me imagine why.... Doc Tropics 00:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

And now indef'd. No great loss there. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 14:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

A pat on the head

KC, you are one of the most dedicated Wikipedians I know and I'm madly in love with you. I'd give you a Barnstar but in the end you'd just chew it up and bury it. Instead, let me offer this metaphorical pat on the head: "That'll do Pup, that'll do." see you around  : ) Doc Tropics 01:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I keep my barnstars! ...but, thanks for the pat, I suppose. :-/ KillerChihuahuaAdvice 14:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Your comment on Talk:Sarah Palin

I'm sorry to read that you have concerns that I am "skirting the edges" of WP:NPA. If you have particular concerns in mind, please let me know; I may disagree with them, but I'd rather be aware of them.- Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 01:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Just some slightly sarcastic sounding comments, I think - give me some time and I'll dig up specifics, thanks for your patience. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 14:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Whaddyamean "sarcastic"? Sarcasm is really helpful! ;) - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 01:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

You warned him, and he has continued he says "You are as positively giddy about this as I am disgusted" that sort of failure to assume good faith and personal attack goes against your warning and the talk page restrictions . Its time you back up your warnings with actions. TharsHammar and 00:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

No, I back up my warnings with actions when I deem appropriate, not when ordered by you, sir. Unless he's calling someone an ignorant little shit, he's not making blatant attacks. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 01:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Ping

See your thread on my talk (and others below it)... getting Eric's point across hasn't really worked out very well. Perhaps you have some new ideas. ++Lar: t/c 02:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I do indeed. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 15:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

No Chewing

	The Working Dog's Barnstar
	Awarded in recognition of KillerChihuahua's dedication, tireless efforts, and ongoing contributions to every area of the project. Things just wouldn't be the same without you, Doc Tropics 16:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

KC, I really wanted to title this "The Working Dog's Barnstar" but I couldn't figure out how to make the change. If anyone who sees this can do so, I'll be in their debt  : ) Doc Tropics 16:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Heh heh, now it's perfect. Doc Tropics 16:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I didn't chew or bury; it is placed carefully on display. :-) !!! KillerChihuahuaAdvice 17:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Close the Afd too please

You deleted the article, please close the Afd at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/John de Nugent. - ALLST✰R▼ _{wuz here} 15:21, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Someone else has already done so. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 19:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Moved from Talk:Sarah Palin

Please provide the diff where I "complained about my hurt feelings." I'm not hurt at all but thanks for your concern. You however, along with Simon (who has been explicitly warned in this regard) are assuming bad faith when you accuse a fellow editor of "manufacturing controversy." You are compounding the problem by reproducing attacks on good faith. (Taking the opportunity to say "You are a stupid jerk" without really saying it is not helpful either). It would be probably best for everyone to drop this, take a deep breath, and move on to more productive areas of discussion. csloat (talk) 19:53, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

You are quite right; that was poor phrasing on my part. Perhaps a better way to phrase this would be "continually complain of NPA violations where such violations are either borderline or non existant." Either way, cease discussing editors on the article talk page; I will begin blocking if editors cannot refrain from doing so. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 20:20, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I should have said an AGF violation rather than a personal attack. And frankly I don't understand why a couple of the editors there have not been blocked already for this sort of thing. csloat (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I was away for a few days. Blocking is preventative, not punitive. If you guys stop talking about each other, then no blocks are necessary or indicated. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 01:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much

I appreciate it. -- Noroton (talk) 22:56, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome; I felt it was appropriate. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 14:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

WP reform

Good idea. In the "Areas of concern" page I set up, there is space for discussing the mediation committee, arbcom, and also transparency and accountability at WP. Perhaps you can spark some discussion there? Slrubenstein | Talk 13:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I will give it thought. I confess, though, that you have listed none of my primary "areas of concern", with the exception of BLP. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 13:44, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

That is why I left blank templates, for other people to add those areas theythey consider more important for concern. The top of the page explains that people who come should add areas of concern I missed (I can't think of everything!) Thanks for helping out! Slrubenstein | Talk 15:10, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

By the way, what are the othe "areas of concern" that you will add? Which ones for you are primary? Slrubenstein | Talk 21:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure I will be adding, although some areas of concern include conflation of "civility" with "no bad language" and also, I am very concerned that some of the newer crop of admins are woefully ignorant of such things as can an editor remove warnings from his or her own talk page? and such. The older admins came primarily from academia and the geekverse; I used to proofread for Project Gutenberg. Then they came from Ask and Yahoo Answers; more used to immediate feedback and scores, but still ok. Now with Misplaced Pages in the top 10 of all sites and the #1 reference site, it seems a lot of them come from MySpace and have a clique-ish mentality. We're still promoting editors as not likely to abuse the tools. I'm not sure that's scaled that well. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 21:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I think your point about civility is a very important one. I will add it in my own wording but given your thoughts on the matter I wish you would join the discussion and hopefully have a significant impact (and then of course you are free to rephrase what I write). I agree with you about the demographic change at Misplaced Pages and I do not know a concise and clear way to phrase it so I just hope you will come over and raise the topic. Slrubenstein | Talk 10:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Venture Capital Players

Hi, thank you so much for your feedback on the Luke Heron deletion thread. I was wondering whether I could trouble you for some advice (also looking for a mentor!)

Firstly.....I just wanted to explain a little bit about what I am wanting to do on the subject of venture capital players and specifically, investors and entrepreneurs that are doing things to change the investment landscape - develop new products, creating new ideas etc. I penned a short piece (my first so please go easy on me) about the UK based investor - Luke Heron - that has pioneered the process of making collectables an asset class. He attracts a lot of written press (I've done my best to dig this up but as he was previously an internet tipster, sifting the content is blooming difficult).

My first effort was more detailed than it appears now but as some of the information had been gleamed from not overly independent sources, I quickly edited it (I've had to learn quickly). There are a good number of references to support the notability of the subject, though clearly I am not using ones which satisfy everyone. The Financial Times piece actually talks about Heron and his company for almost half of the piece - which I am not sure how that doesn't back up notability on the particular note of his involvement in alternative investments as an asset class.

I am really keen to develop the wider area of investors, particularly "celebrity" investors - Heron was both a presenter and guest tipster on the game show Trading Places (internet TV and cable) for quite a while and his commentary as a tipster moved share prices on UK markets on a daily basis. Perhaps that element makes him more interesting than what I have detailed. The reality is he is well-known and pioneering a new asset class - one which does not have a great deal of coverage as yet - is (I feel) important. There are countless mentions of him in the main press...."Internet tipster Luke Heron says...etc etc", but clearly these references are no good and also irrelevant as they reference his past as an internet based tipster.

I am trying my best to learn the wiki ways quickly (I have been keen to contact anyone and everyone for help and advice about wiki articles and what can be done to improve them). If you had time to offer a little advice - as I say, I am really keen on adding further pieces on a number of investors, Scott Fletcher, Tom Winnifrith, Nigel Wray, Nick Leslau etc etc, but I need to get the format right with the first one - I am keen to understand all the things I need to do to be a good contributor.

I think that specific investors that are pioneering a new area of investment and pitching it as a new asset class are essential candidates for inclusion in an encyclopedia, but I am obviously keen to get this right. Any help and any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have offered entirely independent links and as time goes by I will want to add further detail (as will others I am sure). As you can imagine, it is a little frustrating working at something, constantly editing it to satisfy different editors who have different views on notability, suitability etc. As I said in the deletion thread, it all comes down to an individuals view on whether (in this instance for example) an investor developing a new asset class is worthy of inclusion. THe subject matter clearly is, but I have obviously fallen short on execution. Any help, advice and pointers would be very useful. I am trying to learn and have requested a mentor on my home page......here's hoping. Myra (MyraSendak (talk) 22:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC))

What a great attitude, and what enthusiasm! I know it can be difficult at first but I'm sure you have what it takes to stick it out and become a great contributor. I presume you've read WP:FIRST, and possibly perused the WP:RULES, WP:MOS and so on?

It might help to write the article in a sandbox in your userspace, then move the article to mainspace. Writing in userspace has the advantage that you can have other editors take a look and help, but it won't be up for deletion while you're trying to get it into shape. Moving the article will ensure contribution history is not lost. If you want a mentor, I suggest you take a look at WP:ADOPT - try to pick someone who has experience (look at total number of edits) and knows what they're doing (look for barnstars, kudos, a clean block log, etc.) Good luck! KillerChihuahuaAdvice 22:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions I value them greatly. If the article is not going to stay up then I really hope I am given the opportunity to develop my article further in my userpage area and get contributions and suggestions from other members. Thank you once again. ( MyraSendak (talk) 21:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC) )

I thought of you

...when I saw this. I was tempted to add it to your front userpage myself, but didn't want to get my fingers nipped. Doc Tropics 15:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Good call. I am a friendly, sweet, kind and helpful puppy. I am not a rabid cujo. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 15:17, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Your caution about asserting BLP at Sarah Palin

I've seen various policies being asserted by editors in ways that show little understanding of those policies, so I understand your caution to everyone on that talk page, but the diff you chose as an illustration doesn't jump out as a clear example of a misguided assertion of BLP.
The edit comment asserts "poorly sourced" which seems valid based on the BLP's RS section: "When less-than-reliable publications print material they suspect is untrue, they often include weasel phrases and attributions to anonymous sources. Look out for these. If the original publication doesn't believe its own story, why should we?" I read the cited opinion piece and no one would ever mistake it for factual reporting. The BLP also states: "Contentious material...poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed...", so BLP can be invoked in this case even though the added content is vaguely neutral (or only slightly negative or positive).
Is the only issue whether the content is contentious? I take our meaning of contentious to be synonymous with contraverial, or "likely to cause contraversy", which includes almost everything that isn't simply factual or uninteresting. Rumors about the size of the advance, and especially the fact that it is much less than the rumored amount the author sought, seems contraversial to me. Likewise the speculation about future earnings on the talk circuit.
I'd like to hear your opinion on this, but I was really just writing to suggest that you might want to pick a more clear cut example to illustrate that caution. Celestra (talk) 18:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

If it were clear cut, then it would not need clarification from me. That's precisely the correct example. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 12:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. We disagree on the meaning intended by contentious, but I agree it is a poor choice of words since it can be reasonably interpreted different ways. I would replace it with "Non-factual material which is likely to be contraversial" or something to that effect. What words would you have used? You are in a position to enforce your interpretation, so it is only fair to share your interpretation. ("This is how we are going to interpret that here: ") As it is, your caution has the effect of discouraging application of an important policy, instead of limiting it to appropriate cases. Celestra (talk) 14:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. I am discouraging misapplication of the policy. I am precisely limiting it to appropriate cases. Your statement is the exact opposite of what I have repeatedly explained. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 15:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you that you are "discouraging misapplication of the policy", our difference would be that I think the use of that example doesn't encourage appropriate application. I just don't see how it can "limit it to appropriate cases" unless you draw the line clearly between appropriate use and inappropriate use. I have no skin in this game, since I don't edit there much these days. I happened to read your comment, which I agree with strongly, and read the referenced change, which seems gray, and so I offered what was intended as a helpful observation. I get the feeling that I am not communicating that well, so I'll just drop the whole thing. Take care, Celestra (talk) 16:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

The prospect of mediation

Yeah, I believe in mediation. Do you not? On a scale of 1-10, I would rate this one about 5. Compared to some others I've attempted—the Palestinians and the Israelis (Shalit) would as soon have shot each other and the Irish Republicans hated the poor man from the Ulster Defense Regiment with an enmity that went back generations—this one is actually mediatable. On one condition, of course (hence this note). Both parties have to agree to try it in good faith. Would you be willing to help with this? Sunray (talk) 19:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I must be reading that first question wrongly. Of course I believe in mediation, what do you mean? Please clarify, that query has me truly perplexed.

Regarding this mediation, I place it at a two. I further think that ArbCom has teeth the MedCom does not. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, this is an administrative action and editor behavior dispute, not a content dispute. As such, the purvue is clearly with ArbCom and not MedCom, whose bailiwick is content focused.

Would I be willing to help? I have been attempting to do so, via emails and postings. I think this was avoidable at every stage, but now has gone beyond the tipping point, unless one or the other party significantly change their view, which I think highly unlikely. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 19:15, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It was a rhetorical question and I didn't mean to offend. I am sometimes untactful. Sorry. You are more pessimistic than me about the chances of success, but even so, I honestly do not understand why it should go to arbitration at this point. How would a public drubbing be helpful? If the block was punitive, do we say "an eye for an eye"? How does that support our values? Moreover, I fear that the eye lost might be Misplaced Pages's. I thus remain perplexed. Why would we bypass mediation even if it has only a 20% chance of success? Sunray (talk) 20:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding whether it is a content dispute: True, it doesn't pertain to article content. However, in this case, the administrative action and response to it would be the content. It is not a behavioural dispute in that there are no ongoing interactions that contravene WP behavioural policies. Sunray (talk) 20:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your "rhetorical" question: It did not offend. It confused. I am still unclear what you meant by it. Regarding the "eye lost" yes, its a pity Bish was snappy. It is afar greater pity that Jimmy chose to block her, six hours after the event, and ever since has repeated his bizarre notion of what her POV regarding the block is. He is immune to clue on this; I am sorry to say. He may be immune to correction, due to the inflated position he holds here. I think it is a very great pity he is so bullheaded and self rightous about this very bad block; I think we're better served if we have a Supreme Leader; do you recall the userbox wheel wars? The thing is, he went and decided to do something about the civility problem on Misplaced Pages, did the wrong thing, and now is completely convinced that not only was it the right thing, he is supporting his action by making up what someone else thinks! It is this which I find unsupportable, not that Jimmy might lose admin privileges on a wiki where he's abused such ability. I don't worry about the "black eye" at all - if there is one, it will be his and not the 'pedia's. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 21:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

BLP

I have taken the liberty of moving our discussion here from the Sarah Palin talk page because Simon Dodd's comments were getting in the way of a dialog. My interest is not so much in his specific edits that started the discussion but rather in my trying to better understand the policy in general. I don't want to take too much of your time so if this discussion seems not to be productive feel free to tell me to end it.

I've read the discussion at the Reliable sources/Noticeboard and also above with Celestra. Would it be fair to say that if Simon Dodd had labeled his original two edits as "removing speculation" rather than as "per BLP" that you would not have commented? Is it that you think some people are overusing BLP as a reason rather than clearly misusing it?

I'm also wondering about your comment "Contentious is a poor choice of words on the BLP policy page". I know it can be difficult to come up with precisely the right words to clearly mark a line which is inherently unclear. But can you give me a few words other than "contentious" to help explain where the BLP should be trying to draw the line? Is it perhaps that "contentious" means a controversy among RS rather than a controversy among WP editors?

Thanks for your help. Sbowers3 (talk) 14:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think you've phrased it well - the "contentious" needs to be among RS, not among editors - this helps cut our own little POV pushers or biased editors out of consideration. Otherwise, we'd have fanboys removing all derogatory information about their idols, which might lead to some interesting articles. We must of course keep NPOV in mind; basically just because it might be perceived as negative does not make it a BLP violation; just because you think it shouldn't be in the article does not make it a contentious item. I use "you" here non-specifically of course. And some contentious materiel belongs in BLPs even though RS's argue; think "controversy" in political articles, in which case the content is not removed, but extra care needs to be taken to ensure that views are correctly described and attributed. And finally, no I wouldn't have commented at all had Dodd used anything other than "BLP" as his edit summary/rationale. I have zero objection to the edit, merely to the claim that it was a BLP edit. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 15:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. BTW, what did you do to put that message box when editing on your talk page. I.e. "If you message me on this page, I will probably reply on this page...." Sbowers3 (talk) 15:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Editnotice. To write yours, go to User talk:Sbowers3/Editnotice. For your user page - perhaps a link to your talk page? it is User:Sbowers3/Editnotice. And so on. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 19:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thats a speedy little dog...

I must have beaten you there by milliseconds! I thought to lay a warning first, and then probably 4 hour block. Good work, O noble WikiWarrior! RegardsHamster Sandwich (talk) 20:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Teamwork, Hamster - its all about the teamwork. :-) KillerChihuahuaAdvice 20:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Pretties for you

For your tireless efforts, for your prompt, and courteous responses, and for being an all 'round great team player and good egg, I proudly award you this prestigious sandwich! Best Regards, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Oooh! You just made my day! Possibly my week. :-) thanks much!!! KillerChihuahuaAdvice 22:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for unblocking me. I definitely has learned a lesson. OckhamTheFox (talk) 23:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome; you might want to spend a little time reading up on the WP:RULES so you can ensure you don't accidentally fall afoul of them again. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 23:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/ThaddeusB

I wanted to take a moment to delivery a personal thank you (not "thank spam" :)) for your involvement in my RfA. (It passed 117-2-7 in case you hadn't seen.) Thank you for taking the time to ask me some questions. I enjoyed answering the questions and am glad you found my answers worthy of your support. I look forward to serving the community in my new role.

Thanks again, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:44, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

For this. I would have thanked you earlier, but I just noticed it today. --javért 19:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You're quite welcome - I ended up blocking him for 3 hours, and he went on a rampage earlier today, reverting a bunch of my edits and one of Jimmy's, because we're both "indefinitely blocked vandals" He's now, alas, an indef blocked vandal hisownself. He probably shouldn't have said "fuck him!" in so many edit summaries. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 19:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, that's how I came to know about him in the first place. And apparently, he is also a sock. Who knew? ;) --javért 19:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Dang, I knew he wasn't a newbie - no newbie knows about "indef blocked vandals" - but he's a busy li'l vandal! KillerChihuahuaAdvice 19:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Bishzilla

How would a new user learn that Bishzilla and Bishonen are the same person? I see no notice on the user talk page, and the user page has been deleted. The account does not further Misplaced Pages's goals and there is no reason why Bishonen needs to use it. More broadly, the existence of that acocunt is being used as a reason to avoid tightening the policy governing socks. While the actual harm done by the Bishzilla account may not be major (unless you count useless drama as distruption), it is a bad example for other editors.   Will Beback  talk  20:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I have no interest in these question. You have stated Bishzilla was never declared an alt account; you are seriously in error. That is all. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 20:14, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's what I wrote:

• User:Bishzilla is an alternate account of user:Bishonen, however there is no disclosure of the connection.

That is factual - there is no disclosure. The fact that Bishonene disclosed it and then deleted the page means that whatever disclosure may have existed has been erased.   Will Beback  talk  20:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

And such anal retentive wikilawyering is useful how? No, that was a rhetorical question. I see that you're not concerned about whether she has a secret account, but whether, right at this precise moment, you can see a notice of whose sock Bishzilla is. My, my. I'm so glad I don't have to work with you. You are tendentious and argumentative to no purpose at all. I am done with trying to help you. Make a fool of yourself at Arbcom; I am now sorry I tried to prevent you from doing so. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 20:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I never said anything about a secret account. My concern isn't primarily with Bishzilla, it's with the WP:SOCK policy. Bishzilla just happens to be the most prominent example of an alternate account.   Will Beback  talk  20:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

And yet you added this bizarre "concern" to the Bishonen ArbCom case. If your concern were with SOCK only, you would not have done so. And before you point out in your inimitable hair-splitting fashion, ensuring that the discussion is focused on teeny tiny details which miss the main point, that you said "primary" not "only", allow me to say that I can read, so save yourself the trouble of starting the argument. I tried to help you not make a fool of yourself at ArbCom, and that was MY primary concern. You seem determined to do so anyway, therefore I am DONE. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 20:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Whatever our differences I appreciate your wish to help.   Will Beback  talk  20:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

:-) KillerChihuahuaAdvice 20:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Sing it with me, kids!

We wish you a merry ADristmas,

We wish you a merry ADristmas,

We wish you a merry ADristmas,

And a happy New ADar! HalfShadow 22:42, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Grin, I think you've been hittin the eggnogg a little out of season, there, HalfShadow. Oh, and for my talk page stalkers - he's talking (singing?) about this edit. Where we ADlebrate Christmas, because it ADrtainly is a bad idea to use search/replace carelessly. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 22:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Patricia Cloherty

Hello KillerChihuahua,

I was trying to fix up the Patricia Cloherty page and am looking for some advice. As you noted, the article has been the subject of some abuse. A single purpose username repeatedly deletes notable, verifiable content, and inserts content with a slightly derogatory bias into the biography; a very subtle smear. I am fairly new and don't know what else to do, its been going on for months. Anything added is just going to get deleted by the wayward editor, unless there is some new approach. What could you recommend? thanks Cgettings (talk) 04:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I've semi'd for a month and added to my watch list; but I note the last page blanking vandalism was by a registered user. However, most of the vandalism was by various IPs, and none of them have responded to warnings or requests to discuss, so hopefully this will allow for improvement in the general editing of the article. Please let me know if there is continued vandalism and/or edit warring; I am not always online and I have a long watchlist, so I can easily miss things. Thanks - KillerChihuahuaAdvice 14:33, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that help. I think you are right about the effect of the semi & the likelihood of more from the registered user. Its a single purpose account just for this article -- we'll wait and see. Thanks again and have a great day. Cgettings (talk) 16:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, the other editor has again inserted the same un-sourced content (along with some poor grammar): "with operated in Russia before being taken over by United Financial Group in April 2009. UFG has assumed day to day operations of Delta and Cloherty has left the country." and "UFG replaced management and Cloherty left the country." I can revert it, but its going to continue to go back and forth, and then I become part of the edit war. More advice? I am also posting to the discussion, and their talk page -- but don't expect anything different than past experience would indicate. Cheers!

Also, what is the protocol re: my asking more than one admin to advise on this? there are 2 other admins who were helping me with policies, etc. Everyone of course being busy and if I didn't hear from one, I'd ask another for advice. So also Netalarm and Nancy have given input. I don't want to be greedy; so many articles, so little time, etc. Thanks for your patience. Cgettings (talk) 01:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

First things first; speaking for myself, I think its a very good idea to ask more than one person, for two reasons: multiple input means if there are differing opinio9ns, you will be more likely to be made aware of that; and as we are not always online, you will be more likely to receive a response in a timely manner. Just be careful not to step over the line into WP:CANVASS; if that seems likely then try a noticeboard instead.

Regarding Patricia Cloherty: She's controversial. Her article will very possibly remain a problem spot for the foreseeable future. I know it might make you feel like Sisyphus at times, if it gets to be too much take a break. Remember not to WP:BITE the newbies, and don't expect the article to get, or rather stay, "fixed". Watchlist it and soldier on, and hopefully some of the noobs who show will learn policy from you and become valuable contributors. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 13:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You forgot a tag.

You forgot to put the "</font>" tag before the </div>. Please fix, because it's making the page's text blue. miranda 09:01, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

oops, thanks for letting me know! Fixed now. KillerChihuahuaAdvice 14:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

IP bigot

Now, now, I just called him that because I had no name to use and wanted to make it clear my comments weren't directed at Ed Poor. The man's kind of sensitive. Czolgolz (talk) 15:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, Ed? I would probably describe him more as testy and defensive rather than sensitive but of course this is speculation on both our parts. I tend to just refer to IPs by # - I either copy/paste the whole mess or use a partial IP. To each their own. :-) KillerChihuahuaAdvice 17:37, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Between you, me and wall, I'm a little intimidated by Ed. Czolgolz (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: your warning

I was pretty surprised when I saw I was being accused of adding defamatory content. Then I saw who was threatening to block me for it, and all surprise ended. Killer Chihuauhua, you've had a mad-on for me for some time, and it is growing past tedious into tendentious.

Maybe you need to acknowledge that you have a significant problem with anything that I do, and absent yourself from any situation where you might feel the itch to judge me. If you come to my page to threaten me again with yet another bogus claim, there will be repercussions. 'Nuff said. - Arcayne () 19:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)