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== ] selectively deleting revisions on many pages ==

:was ''] Mass Delete Of Pages'' {{anchor|User:Tom harrison Mass Delete Of Pages}}

The admin ] just mass deleted every page a banned user touched, then protected his user talk page so noone could comment on it while he was fixing his mistake. This kind of error is HUGE, to just mass delete every page a user ever edited if they're banned?! Thought this should be looked at a little further why such a major error like that took place. —&nbsp;<b><i><font color="#6600FF">]</font></i></b>&nbsp;<sup>(<font color="#0033FF">]</font>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<font color="#00CC00">]</font>)</sup> 14:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'm guessing the protection was a mistake since Tom reverted it. I suggest you bring the matter with him first, now that you can contact him on his talk page. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 14:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:: Seems this was about deleting the selected edits from the history of pages in question. As long as everything is fixed now, I don't see any problem here. --''']''' 14:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::I tried it on his talk page at first, then someone reverted it (i added it back) then the page was promptly protected from further edits so I posted here. So the discussion would take place here now. —&nbsp;<b><i><font color="#6600FF">]</font></i></b>&nbsp;<sup>(<font color="#0033FF">]</font>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<font color="#00CC00">]</font>)</sup> 14:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, I don't understand what he's doing. He must be an idiot. I'll go and interrupt his work and berate him on his talk page. Now he's trying to cover up his mistake! Not only stupid, but evil too! Quick, to the barricades! Seriously, besides good faith, you might at least begin with the assumption that other people know what they're doing, investigate, think, then ask politely if it still looks like a mistake. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::It was obviously a mistake, but I posted here after you made it not possible for me to follow-up on your talk page about the mistake. Was a pretty big mistake though, admittedly. —&nbsp;<b><i><font color="#6600FF">]</font></i></b>&nbsp;<sup>(<font color="#0033FF">]</font>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<font color="#00CC00">]</font>)</sup> 14:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Raeky, that’s simply not true. You screamed at him at , then again at . He answered you quite politely at . You posted this admin’s notice thread at . Please don’t mischaracterize the timeline. — <span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 14:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I posted at 14:31, reverted the deletion of my post on 14:33, the page was protected on 14:33, I noticed the protection, looked up this page to post and made that post on 14:38, he unprotected his page on 14:39. Get the complete timeline before you criticize mine. Thanks. —&nbsp;<b><i><font color="#6600FF">]</font></i></b>&nbsp;<sup>(<font color="#0033FF">]</font>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<font color="#00CC00">]</font>)</sup> 15:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:Also, Raeky, beware of using ALL CAPITALS IN YOUR POSTS, because that's generally viewed as "shouting," thus uncivil, thus could be removed. <font color="blue" face="georgia">]</font> <font face="Georgia"><sup>(] · ])</sup></font> 14:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::It was INTENDED as shouting, that evolution faq represented A LOT of work. —&nbsp;<b><i><font color="#6600FF">]</font></i></b>&nbsp;<sup>(<font color="#0033FF">]</font>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<font color="#00CC00">]</font>)</sup> 14:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::If you had bothered to read the two sections above your post on Tom harrison's talk page, you would have figured out what was going on. <span style="background:white;color:#007FFF;font-family:Georgia;">] </span><sub>(])</sub> 14:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::{{ec}} Okay, we have the drama and sarcasm quota met so that's out of the way. Regarding the actual issue, I am a bit puzzled by this approach to enforcing ]. Deleting pages and then selectively restoring only the non-banned users' interleaved edits? At best, that seems yucky to me. It now looks like non-banned users made the banned user's edits. At worst, that's a ] violation, isn't it? <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">] ]</span> 14:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::As far as I can see, the user was reverted and then both the user's edit and the revert were deleted, so there's no problem with wrongly attributed edits, at least. --]|] 15:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::That's very difficult to say when you look at . In reality, this user only changed one line (see ) but it looks like he completely re-did the whole page! And that's only in the first deleted page that I checked. I'm all for undoing banned user's contributions but that's not what happened here. The contributions weren't undone, they were reattributed. Bad mojo. <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">] ]</span> 15:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Yikes, I didn't notice that. If the edits of a banned user are so bad that they need to be deleted immediately, misattributing those edits to another user in good standing seems even worse to me. --]|] 15:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I will revert or try to carefully undo the content contributed by a banned user, but in cases like these where the edits are interspersed all throughout, I just leave them alone and say c'est la vie. See {{user|Jmfangio}} - I undid what I could easily undo but I'm not going to try to extract his edits from ] made two months before he was identified as a banned sock. In this case, I recommend restoring all of the edits and more carefully ''undoing'' them. <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">] ]</span> 17:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Requesting oversight (assuming the edits of the banned user meet the requirements at ] can also be a helpful tool in some situations like this. — ] (]) 17:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::They can now do oversight in a way that the user name is just hidden, can't they? If that works the way I think it does, that might also be a good approach. But like you say, I'm not sure enforcing ] qualifies for oversight. <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">] ]</span> 17:14, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

You guys work it out and let me know. I'm going on break. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:Tom might have done well to use a more informative deletion summary (rather than just "banned user" you could use "deleting edits from banned user, restoring page shortly" or some such). Either way, hysterically DEMANDING AND SHOUTING probably isn't going to help this situation, or even get an adequate response. What ever happened to a simple, "Hey, why did you do this?" This is a wiki, after all: almost any action can be reversed, including admin actions. – <small>] (])</small> 20:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Apart from the drama here (seriously, yelling and screaming is what children do when they don't get what they want), this provides a neat example of why CSD-BAN is not a terribly good idea. ] (]) 00:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:Nah, it's a good concept - it just wasn't done properly here. <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">] ]</span> 00:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

::Misplaced Pages, where no good deed goes unpunished. ➲<span style="font-family:arial narrow;"> ''']''' <sup><u>]</u></sup></span> 07:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I enforce Morrow's ban by undoing all his work that I can, and deleting all his revisions that I can, while minimizing disruption and inconvenience, subject to technical limitations. Obviously there's judgment involved choosing trade-offs. Informed, intelligent feedback from the community is helpful and welcome, and Wknight94 makes a legitimate point that I'll keep in mind. It would also be helpful if more people who felt able to would enforce this ban. It's great that Wknight94's taken an interest. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

*Why haven't admins been granted with ] yet? Seems like this would be a good way to go about this... Rather than deleting and selectively restoring, which brings up these attribution issues. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font>] 14:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
**It hasn't been fully tested yet. Brion said that last time there was a bug. It was likely fixed, but he has not been able to test RevDel again. Part of the reason he is going to —] (] • ]) 14:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

:I see these deletions as violation of policy. I quote "Anyone is free to revert any edits made in defiance of a ban. By banning a user, the community has decided that their edits are prima facie unwanted and may be reverted without any further reason. This does not mean that obviously helpful edits (such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism) must be reverted just because they were made by a banned user, but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert. " Have all these edits been checked to see they were not obviously helpful edits? I do not see any policy by which the edits can be deleted unless they are harmful, except when they are entire articles which the banned ed. has started after the ban, and even then with due consideration to other contributors--there were in fact a few of these. In general mass anythings without prior notice are not a good idea--there should at least have been a pre-announcement here and an more explicit note on the ed's talk page. Under what policy does Tom justify this? ''']''' (]) 00:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::Amorrow edits articles about female living persons, then contacts them and directs them to his edits so he can prove he has control over them, and then offers to meet with them in person to discuss the situation. Under such circumstances, no edit by Amorrow is beneficial in the long term, even though it might seem so to someone who does not know his history. There are other technically banned editors whom I would not lift a finger to revert as long as they were acting in a low key and beneficial manner. This is not one of those cases. Seriously. ] 05:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Sounds like a good reason to ''selectively'' selectively delete. I can't see any reason to delete , for instance. --] 05:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:::The editor your talking about that was editing FAQ pages and specifically the ones about Evolution that I monitor does NOT sound like the person your talking about. The edits at first was not considered abusive, but as a whole he was tweaking the meaning and structure of the FAQ and ultimately the editors decided to undue his edits. But looking at the evolution talk page you can see we didn't initially believe his edits was harmful. As far as my judgement goes with the edits *I* saw the editor that was reverted made didn't justify a wholesale deletion of his edits. He *may* have made some serious violations in his edits, sure, I didn't see them (and I was looking at quite a few of his edits while he edited the Evolution FAQ), but just a couple major violations IMHO doesn't justify the actions this admin took to revert every edit he ever made. LOTS of his edits was simple spelling fixes and other harmless edits. If he did make an edit that was SOOO bad that it needed to be hidden from public view, then that individual edit should of been hidden, not reverting hundreds of edits. This is not an action I can back up, unless you can justify the MAJORITY of his edits as so offensive they must be hidden from public view, then there is no justification for this action. —&nbsp;<b><i><font color="#6600FF">]</font></i></b>&nbsp;<sup>(<font color="#0033FF">]</font>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<font color="#00CC00">]</font>)</sup> 05:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Thatcher, if what you say is true, we should certainly do our utmost to keep him away from Misplaced Pages. I can understand the desire to take any possible action, but I do not see how these deletions will keep him from trying to misuse Misplaced Pages. They have not done so up to now, have they? In any case, if you wish to use deletion in this manner there are only two ways: to get our policy changed, or to do it as office. It's a bad precedent. ''']''' (]) 00:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Implement flagged revisions and you won't have to worry about this stuff anymore. And if the problem is with female BLPs, why was Tom Harrison messing with all those other edits? Tom, you and these other admins need to get on the same page about your plan for dealing with this issue. Once you are all on the same page with your plan, I suggest ''writing it down'' somewhere, perhaps where only admins can see it, as a guide for all admins to reference in the future. ] (]) 01:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
* Amorrow is a horrible problem. Please, unless you are familiar with the facts of the matter, stop pressuring Tom. He's doing exactly the right thing. If you have a problem with that, email me and I will explain. Let's not feed this problem. Every edit by Amorrow should be deleted. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:If this editor was Amorrow and he has commited egregious infractions justifying forever removal of any of his edits no matter how benign, then sure. I'm not privy to what hes done, I was just merely stating that the edits I observed didn't justify the action that was taken. —&nbsp;<b><i><font color="#6600FF">]</font></i></b>&nbsp;<sup>(<font color="#0033FF">]</font>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<font color="#00CC00">]</font>)</sup> 03:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:I emailed you and you had nothing new to say, just that he's a very bad person (which I agree with) and that therefore we must get rid of all his contributions. First, I'd like to point out that Tom isn't getting rid of his contributions; he's just misattributing them to the next editor. And then there's the idea that we must do this for any edit, no matter what it is, which seems completely silly, and the perfect way to make this into a game. --] 03:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::Also, I don't see why you guys (admins) can't start writing down standard responses as guides to repeated issues, like Amorrow. I suggest that someone write a page on Amorrow with background and standard admin responses and call it ] or something like that. If there are any details which need to be kept out of public view, then put those on separate sub-pages and ''admin delete them'' so that only admins can read them. Then, admins can put "]" in the log when they take admin action like Tom did, and if someone asks them about it, like someone did with Tom and got ignored, then the admin can just direct them to read that page. Not all of our admins are teenagers, some of you actually are in professional careers and should know better than to allow this haphazard, fly-by-seat-of-pants approach to adminning to continue when it isn't necessary. Standardize admin responses to repeated situations. Write them down as guidelines. Do yourselves some favors and upgrade your management performance of this website. ] (]) 05:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::"if someone asks them about it, like someone did with Tom and got ignored" Nobody was ignored. At , raeky asked about a deletion. At I replied to him - "''Restored now. Please see the section above. Sorry for the inconvenience.''" ] <sup>]</sup> 10:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::It that's true, then I take that back with apologies. ] (]) 11:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is it true? ] <sup>]</sup> 11:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::: There's also ] but I really would agree that some sort of plan should be discussed. Why not oversight instead? That would seem a much simpler option. -- ] (]) 05:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Whatever you guys decide to do is fine, just write it down somewhere so that your response will be the same every time and everyone will understand why you're doing it. Something like, "If you see that Amorrow has begun editing Misplaced Pages again, then A. Block the account, B. Request oversight over all the edits, C... and so on. ] (]) 05:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Details about him can be found , Amorrow has decided to e-mail me since I made my e-mail available in my user page. With his full name a simple google search brought that page up. —&nbsp;<b><i><font color="#6600FF">]</font></i></b>&nbsp;<sup>(<font color="#0033FF">]</font>&nbsp;|&nbsp;<font color="#00CC00">]</font>)</sup> 05:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'm sorry, you're going to willingly engage in email communications with that evil piece of shit? ]<small><sup>]</sup>]</small> 10:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Again, if you admins would get organized, this kind of stuff wouldn't be necessary. ] (]) 11:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Lovely thought, Cla- but given that the admins are also a semi-controlled anarchy composed of volunteers, like Misplaced Pages editors in general, "getting organized" can be problematic. We formerly had some pages regarding serious problem users, and consensus was to delete them under the umbrella of DNFT, if I recall correctly. I'm more than open to ideas regarding this. ]<small><sup>]</sup>]</small> 11:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


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    Copyright work?

    We really need more editors and particularly admins (since the delete tool comes in handy for this job) helping out with copyright investigations. Misplaced Pages:Suspected copyright violations, where CSBot's tags are listed, is backlogged. CSBot occasionally tags something that isn't an issue, but generally it's spot on, and it's really an important first line of defense against copyvio. We need more people who can evaluate the listings there and, equally importantly, figure out if copyvios it detects reflect a systematic problem contributor that needs to be addressed. There are also a number of long-term multiple-article infringement cleanups open and unresolved at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup/Contributor surveys. Thanks to User:CactusWriter, who has joined me at WP:CP, we've got that board under control. If there are any admins (or other readers here) who have an interest in keeping our content legal, we could seriously use a hand. I dream of a day when we have more contributors than work to be done. :)

    I wish I could think of a way to more proactively treat the problem. The current method we use is pretty inefficient. There must be some way to keep stuff like this from happening. :/ --Moonriddengirl 11:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

    Many dealt with, many more to go! I'll try to stop by from time to time. This is important work. decltype (talk) 12:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
    We could make a new edit filter that googles every edit before it is committed...might slow the site down a bit though... Thatcher 20:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
    Just a tad. ;) Protonk (talk) 20:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
    Now you're thinking, Thatcher, but I think a better way to handle all this craziness would be to stop all self-directed instant editing. Think about it - all the problems we have, from vandalism and copyvios to POV-pushers and illiterates are all rooted in this crazy "anybody can edit right now" mentality. If people want to make changes, they can submit an application in triplicate including a rationale for their suggested changes and their full resume, to a triple level editorial board for consideration, factual review and verification and finally, implementation. Trust me, this is the way of the future and it will fix all our problems. hawhaw Sarah 00:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
    Great idea! Too bad someone else already had it... :-) Vicenarian 00:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
    Is there an abuse filter to report removals of copyvio notices? Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 04:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
    Not that I know of. --Moonriddengirl 17:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
    See Misplaced Pages talk:Edit filter#Removing copyright tags. -- King of 21:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

    MassDev

    Apparently the Massachusetts Redevelopment Authority has found a way to add their propaganda to our site. They go by the username User:MassDev. I'm going to warn them as they have already screwed up some pages. Am I bringing this to the right place? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

    I don't know that they've "screwed up some pages", but that's certainly a promotional account, possibly a prohibited role account, and definitely a username violation. They're also likely to fall afoul of the COI guidelines sooner or later. I'd suggest a calm warning rather than an aggressive one, though. — Gavia immer (talk) 01:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

    I gave them a level 2 warning for promotional criteria. I based the screw up on speculation, as I had only seen two pages. Thanks for the help. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
    I think that account is a pretty clear username violation; it could probably be soft-blocked. MuZemike 02:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
    I would do that, but I can't. I'm behind you in that idea. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
    Hmmm, no edits in six weeks. I think they may be done doing what they were doing anyway. Wknight94 14:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
    MassDev isn't "definitely a username violation". The big issues are with the conflict of interest, not with the string of characters "MassDev". (Another way of putting it: if the account had a different name, it would not fix the problem, so involving the username policy is unhelpful.) rspεεr (talk) 15:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    Updating Misplaced Pages:Most wanted articles?

    I know this should be on WP:VPT but it was ignored there and then archived without reply.

    Since Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Database analysis seems to be dead, Misplaced Pages:Most wanted articles has been outdated for 2 years now. It's featured on many project pages and should allow newcomers to find articles they could create. As such, I think it needs to be updated. Question is, who will do it? Can this be done by a bot or does anyone know how to do it? Regards SoWhy 06:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

    Possibly but I thought I'd ask here to see if there is anyone really willing to consider doing it. Regards SoWhy 10:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    i have a message

    Resolved – Wrong forum. --Rschen7754 (T C) 05:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    Attention: high holy wikipedian

    from this guy: bigtimepeace. he says,

    Single-payer

    Please start discussing the changes you are making to Single-payer health care on the article talk page. You are drastically rewriting things without any discussion, even after you have been reverted by others. And please read this policy. Your contention in this edit summary that "concensus never defines wikipedia" is categorically incorrect. Consensus-based editing is at the heart of the project, and since at least one editor has disagreed with your changes, you need to start discussing them before editing further. Thanks. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 20:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

    ===my response is,

    consensus-building, yes, but not consensus defining. plus, i explained my edits, while the reversions were *not* explained, and consensus is no excuse for irrelevancy. on this basis, i feel harassed, unduly chastised, and my time and efforts disrespected. just because the admin (as proudly self-identified) bigtimepeace has no basis for their reversion, it doesn't mean that i should be required to do extra legwork, or be threatened with sanction. i suggest that the person taking the action reverting, deleting or creating paragraphs should be able to back it up with at minimum a short and relevant explanation.[REDACTED] is supposed to be about the written word! relevancy changes with time, and consensus cannot be a catch-all for deletions of significant parts of politically charged current topics. 24.2.247.208 (talk) 22:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

    Why are you two posting this here? Take it to your own talk pages or the article talk pages. If you can't reach agreement use dispute resolution. Exxolon (talk) 00:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
    For the record, as it were, I did not post the above comment here, nor was I informed of this thread. The initial comment with my signature was posted by me on the talk page of the IP editor and then cut and pasted here by that editor. This is a content issue, so there's nothing more to say about it at this board, but I just wanted it to be clear that I did not bring it here in the first place. --Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 09:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    Need to redirect or link to correct preexisting article

    The Category function seems to be in need of improvement. Every List that I specify under Category is colored red, and jumping to that page reveals an article that has not yet been created, despite the fact that an identically-named article already exists, and can be easily reached by typing the name in the Search box. I would vastly prefer that when a Category is specified, the link takes you to the preexisting article. The following links are currently problematic in the article for Fattburger, which I created:

    (1) List of smooth jazz performers
    (2) List of funk musicians
    (3) List of jazz fusion artists
    (4) Jazz-funk

    All of these links should not only take you to the preexisting article, but should be colored blue, not red. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LAlawMedMBA (talkcontribs) 22:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

    Categories are not intended to link to articles; rather they are a means of grouping articles on related topics. I have moved your four 'categories' to a 'See also' section in the Fattburger article and linked them to the respective articles, which I hope will satisfactorily meet your need. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    User:Tintor2

    Resolved – IP blocked for evasion not to mention harassment. Another Plaxico moment. MuZemike 19:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    can you pls do something against this user? hes reverting my useful edits all the time. give him an asskick by banning him for example. thanks. 88.243.134.122 (talk) 17:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    Please keep in mind WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Even if in a dispute with another editor, calling that editor "nigga" is unacceptable. Thank you. Sincerely, --A Nobody 17:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
    (after ec) Wrong venue, and one shouldn't really call attention to oneself when one is evading a block by jumping IPs. Syrthiss (talk) 17:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    Anybody want to take a shot at adding "Plaxico" to Misplaced Pages:Glossary#P? Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 21:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

    Possibly Unfree Files backlog

    Could an admin please help here? Thank you.--Rockfang (talk) 06:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

    • That's a big one. I hate working PUF. I covered July 3-7. Anything that wasn't deleted is probably ok, though I didn't go through the archiving motions for the discussions. Protonk (talk) 08:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
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