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Hasan Nuhanović

Thanks for dealing with my mistake in including the inverted commas around Hasan Nuhanović's name. Opbeith (talk) 10:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for offering to help expand the article. There are a number of important issues, particularly the circumstances of the expulsion of the Nuhanovic family from the base, the court case against the Netherlands, Hasan's work for the Memorial and his testimony at The Hague. However I would rather wait a little while to see what sort of reaction there is to the publication of the basic article. Srebrenica/Bosnia-related articles at Misplaced Pages tend to provoke a lot of conflict and challenging of even basic facts and it makes sense not to get caught between the two stools of defending the existing article and trying to expand it. Are you happy to hang on for a little while? Opbeith (talk) 12:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all those pertinent references and links. Don't hesitate to e-mail me via my User page if you want to have a chat. Opbeith (talk) 15:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for putting all those references in. I was putting that off for another day, so it's very helpful. There are some more to add - but I still need a bit of time to sort them out. The problem is that there's a lot of reference material, but you've identified some of the best. You're right, it is a grim story, but at the same time Hasan's fight for truth and justice is something admirable that has come out of his terrible experience. I think I'd prefer to wait a little before highlighting the article with a referral to DYK until the article is settled in. The appeal is going to be filed some time towards the end of August so it might be worth waiting until then.Opbeith (talk) 22:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Vejvančický, I've sent you an e-mail via your User page. Opbeith (talk) 22:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello Vejvančický, I'm personally inclined to wait but I can see the merit in your DYK suggestion so I leave the decision to you. The important thing is to monitor any changes - given the ongoing legal action it's important to try and ensure that no significant misrepresentation of the facts or arguments establishes itself in the article. Opbeith (talk) 22:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Aenne Burda - Thanks

Thank you for translating and adding Bio to the article, it's now have some depth :)   ■ MMXX 16:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Josef Pleskot

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Wizardman 06:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Question

Do I need to add Reflist now instead or the refeences one? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Karel Hoffmann

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BorgQueen (talk) 12:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Jan Rychlík

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BorgQueen (talk) 06:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey! Thanks for your corrections on Czech print media in Vienna; Would you mind also checking Czech schools in Vienna, which I added today as well on the basis of the same German original? A jacksn (talk) 18:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Hasan Nuhanović

Hello! Your submission of Hasan Nuhanović at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Manxruler (talk) 21:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't understand why you chose to describe yourself as the article's joint creator, which isn't correct, though it's not terribly important. More important is that you didn't think fo informing me and checking the wording of your nomination. I'd have thought after you got the issue of the court involved in the civil action so badly wrong that you would have been a bit more cautious. This article deals with serious and current issues. Please take more care. Opbeith (talk) 01:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello Opbeith. I can't find anything ...so badly wrong... with my hook (or clip): ... that Hasan Nuhanović was involved in the first civil court action brought by the survivors of the Srebrenica massacre against the Dutch state? We can change involved for responsible, but both is correct and non-controversial. He brought the case to the court together with the family of Rizo Mustafić - and thus was involved in the first civil court action brought by the survivors of the Srebrenica massacre. I'm not sure with massacre/genocide formulation, but the article here is named Srebrenica massacre and therefore I included this term. User:Manxruler pointed out merely the bad formatting of citations (Template:cite web), which is easy to fix. As for my "co-authorship": I've found a new article on a very interesting topic with only one reference, moreover written by the subject of the article. I decided to find out more and I expanded the article with many useful citations from various independent sources - the version and my work on it is here, you can compare. I've spent a lot of time on it, but this is not so important, as you said. I don't want to boast with your work, absolutely. We are a collaborative project and we create articles together. It was not in my intention to inform falsely on that case, I just wanted to bring it to the light here on Misplaced Pages. I acted in good faith, believe me. I also apologize for not informing you - it was my mistake, I admit. I can remove the hook from DYK nominations, if you want. Have a good day... ...and assume my good faith, Opbeith.--Vejvančický (talk) 09:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello Vejvančický, i'm sorry, I was rather exasperated last night. I had a lot on my plate and I received Manxruler's message without having had any word from you beforehand about the wording of your DYK submission. Because the court proceedings are an ongoing situation it's important to be very careful with the wording of the article. I won't go into further detail at the moment as I have things to attend to but the gist is set out in the comments at the DYK - I'll try to clarify your doubts later.

The problem regarding the court is that you identified it as the Hague Permanent Court of Arbitration. It's not, the cases are civil cases being brought under Dutch law, in the Netherlands District Court in The Hague, I had to change that quickly when I spotted it.

This is an article that people may consult and then reproduce with possible wider repercussions so it's essential to be very, very careful. I can't emphasise that too much. I am anxious enough already about any mistakes I may make myself. A lot of the issues in the cases depend on very precise explanations and interpretations of what happened. This is an area in which there has been and is too much deliberate misrepresentation of the facts.

So please, please, please be careful. Opbeith (talk) 11:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for all that mess, Opbeith. Perhaps I should avoid such controversial topics in future, especially when I have very little experience and knowledge in that area. However, the Manxruler's message was related to the bad formatting of citations, not to the content of the hook. I still think that the facts in my hook are correct, but it is possible to change the wording, of course. No need to be upset over this. Just ask me and I'll try to clarify or answer whatever. I'll fix the citations according to Wiki standards, do you agree? --Vejvančický (talk) 13:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that interpretations and context can mean that what seems a straightforward statement is complicated in ways that aren't apparent unless you know the sort of arguments that have gone on previously. My suggested wording isn't fully substantiated by the content of the article at the moment, which unfortunately I can't spend much time on at the moment (so, yes, I really would be grateful if you would help make the references acceptable), so perhaps I can suggest something less contentious as wording for the hook: "Hasan Nuhanovic is a survivor of the Srebrenica genocide who is suing the Dutch state for its failure to protect his father, mother and brother from being killed by Bosnian Serb forces in July 1995". I do think it's important to be careful about any subject and not rush ahead with things until you're familiar with it. Anyhow, let's just get on with sorting things out, and thanks for the help. Opbeith (talk) 23:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC) To keep you posted, I've added more information about the court case and created a separate section for it. I've also done my best to deal with the urls while I was it. Opbeith (talk) 21:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I've just seen that the article is at Do You Know today (4 August). Thanks very much for all your help.Opbeith (talk) 10:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, but I think you should undelete the notification. Your work deserves proper appreciation! Opbeith (talk) 10:48, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your achievement in getting the article all that extra prominence. I know I'm a bit of a pain being finicky about getting the content right but that doesn't mean to say I'm not aware how important it is for people to know about Hasan's campaign and about the court cases (particularly just at the moment as the Karadzic defence team are stepping up their campaign of misinformation about Srebrenica ahead of his trial). Try and imagine the equivalent of a thumbs-up sign! Opbeith (talk) 12:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Ondřej Sekora

On July 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ondřej Sekora, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 01:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Consideration Required

Hi, i have read ur talk in my acount. Thanks for giving me feedback abot my contributions. I m struck in a problem of catagorising these articles i. agham and hum khan agham. these articles are orignally from history, litratue and geographical catagories, i hope you will catagorise these articles. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revolutionist99 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Giovan Giacomo Dalla Corna

At the time I tagged the article, there's little reference and it merely states that he's a luth maker. I agree that the current version of the article more than passes the CSD criteria. Tim Song (talk) 08:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Side note - his name is added to the list you cited by the same anon IP that edited the article heavily (diff ). Besides, I thought that the whole point of CSD A7 is to require an assertion of notability in the article in order to avoid speedy deletion. Tim Song (talk) 08:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

My point is that, at the time I tagged, there's no assertion of notability. The current version more than made up for it. Assuming that the claims are well-sourced - and I see no reason not to give it a couple of weeks to develop - the article more than passes the inclusion criteria. Tim Song (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello Antonin!

That's a lovely message from you, and thank you so much for the compliment (deserved for the effort at least - I'm afraid the quality has some way to go). I've been meaning to get in touch with you - and failed, partly because I've been utterly swamped with the "ahem!-you-know-what" article and partly because you seem to be as busy as anyone has a right to be. Your commitment to Wiki is inspiring - and by the way, your English has leapt into fluency. Oh, for a young and nimble brain... I tried to find sources on our old friend Janáček via contacts at the Hallé and RNCM: if you remember, I was going to attempt an English-language back-up for the Czech sources you cited. No luck as yet - but I do keep prodding. Keep well, and if you fancy a co-edit, do let me know. Haploidavey (talk) 18:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Categorizing

Thanks for the tip, I'll keep it in mind. Packerfansam (talk) 6 August 2009

Re:Apostolos Santas

Hi Thanks very much for the messages. I am planning on staying, although I don't know how much time I will have to write. I 'll read the recommended sites. Thanks again. Cheers SpectacularMisfit 10:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpectacularMisfit (talk • contribs)

David Hacker

Hello, I was hoping to have more people edit my article on David Hacker so that I can 10 edits and add a photo in 3 more days as my Wiki status gets raised (which I read is the process for adding a photo). Should I be doing something else to get this article edited? Also when should I remove the <under construction> heading?

thank you,

--Plantsuit (talk) 00:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits on this...I believe I have addressed the comments and template edits now. When do these templates get removed, or is this something I edit?

Thank you Plantsuit (talk) 16:27, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

RfC fix

Hi Vejvančický, I'm not sure why you're apologizing: you made a fix to the RfC, and then reverted yourself, but when I reviewed your edit, I noticed that the fix you made was an improvement to the text I had written. As such, I decided to restore your fix, as it had improved the text: it was a good edit. Thanks. Acalamari 15:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I think that notice is aimed more at discouraging changing of the wording in a way that the intended meaning is changed as a result, rather than correcting errors. What you did was fine, so I don't consider it a big issue whatsoever. ;) Thanks again. Acalamari 15:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Vlasta Průchová

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WP:DYK 20:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Annie jr

Your call for the deletion of Annie jr is factually unsound. Please elaborate with facts and not pure opinion. Trufflesthedog (talk) 00:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Sonoclot

Hello, how are you?

Just want to let you know that someone nja247 has deleted the sonoclot page on wikipedia, without any information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harbindervirdi (talk • contribs) 04:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi there.

I checked the link that you gave in your reply. It just contains a brief description of Sonoclot. But what I wrote on the basis of my experience with Sonoclot was much more extensive. If you google Sonoclot, the description of Sonoclot will more or less the same. You cannot change the operating principle & its usage even if you try writing with different words/format. Harbindervirdi (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello

The cited pdf is not having the copyright material, these lines have been taken from Sienco's brochure of Sonoclot. There is nothing copyright about it. If you google "Sonoclot", then you will come across the same text from number of websites/link. Harbindervirdi (talk) 05:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Hi! Could you check this out again? I think you should be glad you tagged the article correctly, just misunderstood one minor point. Keep up the good work, BTW! ceranthor 11:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say you weren't patient, just that you were a little hasty to bring it to AFD. Succeeding on[REDACTED] is all about patience, which you do have. ceranthor 12:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sfânta Elena

Sure. I'll add a standard template shortly, the current template should be replaced!! Glad you are interested. I'll add one now.. Dr. Blofeld 21:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi I've added an infobxox. Not sure why I can't access the other wiki tonight, I was going to try to find area and other details. for some reason the pin map isn't showing, must be something in the wrong place, I'll have it sorted sometime... Dr. Blofeld 21:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

LOL where did you get the coordinates from? You had it it white Russia that's why it didn't show! I've added the correct cooordinates to Sfânta Elena now anyway. Good work Dr. Blofeld 21:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Great if you have the sources and understand the languages go for it! Now if you gradually flesh out these one line commune stubs in Romania and Moldova... Keep up the good work, as long as the beer is cold! Dr. Blofeld 21:58, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Better? Dr. Blofeld 10:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I hope this will solve everybody's problems. As for what goes on on ro:wiki, see Dr. Blofeld's page - I wouldn't take them as indication of anything. The overall info on Czechs can be expanded upon in this article - no need to have special (and repetitive) village ones just because of that preoccupation.

Referencing a book by proxy ("it was cited in this other source I cited, therefore I can say I cited it") is incorrect practice, and the hidden comment next to your "References" title seemed to indicate that you did just that. Either way, it's impossible to say what you had and hadn't cited from the sources. And, yes, a site that is apparently edited by no one, that says it is dedicated to "private inquest & probate investigations", and that makes my virus scan flash when I try to go through its main door, is most likely not a WP:RS. Dahn (talk) 14:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem, the article looks good now and the name is not so important. Thanks for expanding and copyedit. I use the <!-- works cited in the notes --> citation style for easier orientation in the article. If you click the note Svoboda (2009), p. 91 in this version of the article, you'll be automatically moved to the link with cited book. That's the only purpose. --Vejvančický (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. Admittedly, it was quite confusing (it was also rather impractical, since clueless editors were supposed to go into the editing info to read the explanation). Do you want it back in? Dahn (talk) 16:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, much better in the commune article. I noticed there are some more freely licensed images on Romanian wiki. The Hungarians blast em didn't have the courtesy to borther uploading them to the commons either. You ought to upload the images to the commons. Could you or Dahn do that? Dr. Blofeld 22:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Martha Cohen

Vejvančický

Just placed a photo of Martha Cohen at her bio page and the border of the photo is far too large, but not sure how to reduce the size of the border. Would you be able to advise or assist? Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/Martha_Cohen

thanks, looks very nice —Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianBiographies (talk • contribs) 02:44, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you so much for those kind words Vejvančický. I have noticed that our coverage on Czech opera singers in the English[REDACTED] is fairly poor at the moment so I decided to help out. :-)Singingdaisies (talk) 22:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Lincoln Younes

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Re: Ben Wilden

The way it was written, it didn't look real to me, hence my hoax tag. My apologies for the mistake. I still don't see it as worthy of inclusion so I retagged it as CSD A7 "Unremarkable Person". - NeutralHomer • Talk • 07:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply: Czech theatre

Thank you very much for an excellent reply! I have a great interest in theatre history and biographies about historical actors, and I think every country should hade it's first theatre, as well as its first actors, represented on wikipedia. It is especially interesting when it comes to countries whose information are harder to get access to, of course! Yes, I know it can be hard to identify the exact first actors - one can never be entirely sure, can one? - but the first known by name, and the most known from the "pioneer generation" will always do. These were often foreigners, but as long as they were long-time employees, that will do - although, of course, the first native language actor will always be "the first" in that sense. Thanks for the names! Do mention the first female actor whos name is known as well! Why not start some actor stubs? The most important thing is: name, years, family, most known roles, and what makes him/her notable. Even if you do not have the time to develope them more than in those few lines, they will always be completed by someone eventually. Good work on your article of Mahen Theatre! --Aciram (talk) 19:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Once again. Thank you so much for the positive feedback. If there is an award for most encouraging[REDACTED] editor you deserve it! :-) Actually check out another article I created on Karel Burian, E.F. Burian's uncle.Singingdaisies (talk) 23:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful cleanup at Karel Burian. :-) You seem to be fairly knowledgable about Czech theatres. Perhaps you would care to double check that this list is accurate List of opera companies in Europe#Czech Republic. Singingdaisies (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Chertov Ovrag

Thanks for the reminder - it was an oversight. The information was lifted from the article on Wrangel Island and seemed to me to be of sufficient interest for its own article. Also, I try to maintain categories relating to "Former settlements", into which this falls. Folks at 137 (talk) 09:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Karel Hašler

On August 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Karel Hašler, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

— Jake Wartenberg 11:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

All set

"i've deleted my emailed references; John Littleton is finished for now. Glassnote (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Vyzas F.C.

I did my best with Vyzas F.C. you asked me for. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex8city (talk • contribs) 09:42, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Unfortunately, IP 85.74.45.4 immediatelly changed the article again, without explanation. --Vejvančický (talk) 12:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

It's OK now, IP 85.74.45.4 just puts the official squad numbers.Alex8city (talk) 12:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. It was not entirely apparent from the diffs. Sorry for confusion. I prodded two current members of the Vyzas F.C. squad: Emanouel Okoue and Akis Maziotis. Google search seemed to be very suspicious. Is it possible to find out more in Greek sources? --Vejvančický (talk) 13:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I find more information. About the first player, the real player's name is "Emmannel Okoye" and date of birth, stats etc doesn't fit with the existing. Here is his profile on the official website (Page is in greek but you can see name and date). The player Emanouel Okoue| i think doesn't exist. The second player is allright, i fix his date according the official site .Alex8city (talk) 13:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again :) I have those suspicious articles in my watchlist, and finally I found help. Great! I'll check and fix Emmannel Okoye later today. Have a nice day, Alex, and good luck to all Greek football clubs. (Also to Greek national team who destroyed Czech rep. at Euro in Portugal, 2004. I mourned over it for years!)  :) --Vejvančický (talk) 13:51, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

According to your link, it looks that Okoye didn't play any matches for Vyzas, and thus fails WP:ATHLETE. --Vejvančický (talk) 08:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

You're right but, as i see, any player played last year. Impossible, so they just didn't put appearances and goals. According to this sport magazine, if you get in every match of last year, you will see that he played almost in all matches.Alex8city (talk) 08:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I trust you, Alex. I can't read the Greek letters. I'll remove the prod template and move the Okoue article to correct name. --Vejvančický (talk) 09:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I think that it's better to delete it at all...nothing is right in that article. But it's your choise, you know better than me.Alex8city (talk) 09:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello Vejvančický! As a remnant you the move you have the redirect Emanouel Okoue → Emmannel Okoye. Is it your intention to keep and tag this as a likely redirect from misspelling, or would you like to list this for deletion over at WP:RfD? The misspellings of both first and last name would suggest deletion, unless there is a systematic misunderstanding that simultaneously yield both errors. -- ToE 09:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC) _{I'm watching here if you have any questions.}