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You have reverted more then thrice in a 24 hour period and you can be reported for 3RR. Shivraj Singh 20:20, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Shiv you may report it (you should)Wisesabre 06:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Apologies

اسلام دوست، از غلط کييا تا همنے، وه ديگر شخص بار بار خرابی کراتا. ته اُسے راست کرنا تا و اُسکے دراثنا مےنے اپ کی ترميم دوباره داخل کرنا فراموش کردياتا.

IDRIVE

Map

Hi, I restored the old map because country level articles have a map showing location in the continent at the top infobox. If you have a better non-copyvio map, please add it to the subdivisions section. Thanks a lot. --Ragib 15:56, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

What's going on at Hindi and Urdu language

Basically, we have a recalcitrant editor, Happytime (talk · contribs), who puts in POV edits attempting to erase the connections between Hindi and Urdu, and then refuses to even attempt to reach a consensus with the editors who disagree with him. Sukh and I have been taking turns reverting his edits, but he just won't give up. Most recently, he's taken to deleting critical comments entirely - see the history of Talk:Urdu language, and his own talk page. It's clear that he's not acting in good faith; it's not at all apparent that he has any interest in cooperating with other people. We're probably heading towards formal dispute resolution soon. --skoosh (háblame) 20:35, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Wisabre, User Sukh has been persistently reverting to some unreasonable edits. Much discussion took place and an outcome was reached, then Sukhinder Sukh (talk · contribs) wasn't satisfied so he decided to start a war. He has formed an alliance now with User Skoosh (talk · contribs) to add these pro-Sikh anti-Muslim anti-Hindu changes throughout multiple pages. These must be neutral and based on fact, not whims and desires. They keep reverting my changes. Please revert their erroneous edits.---Happytime

Anybody who knows anything about Hindi and Urdu realise that their separation is based on three factors: script, religion and politics. The vernacular version of Hindi and Urdu are the same language. A language is defined by the people that speak it - not by government or religious propaganda.

• that is wrong, A language is defined by the fundamentals. If you add something into a language, you can't call it the same language. It is true that at present times Urdu and Hindi are used mostly at professional levels. The slang that is mostly used however, (similar to what is used in Bollywood films) is referred to as Hindustani, which is a combination of languages.-----------Happytime

Also the user has been editing Sikhism and removing central parts of Sikh belief (i.e. reincarnation) and also making edits to Khalistan that are strikingly similar to edits made by User:thetruth (hence I believe the two users to be the same although I may be wrong).

• this is just getting out of hand, you need to stop these claims you are adding everywhere.

As an Urdu speaker yourself I hope you agree with me. There is definately the need to document 'higher' Hindi and Urdu which both draw from very different vocabularies. But 'higher' Hindi and Urdu is not the main tongue for people in Northern India/Pakistan. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 22:15, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

• These pages are title HINDI and URDU respectively. This refers to the original language, not slang. You could create a page called slang Hindi-Urdu, then I would have no disagreement.

I am not a native urdu or hindi speaker, but having spoken to many Indians and Pakistanis, I find no spectacular differences between the languages, other than the choice of words. Considering the history of the Hindusthani language, I agree with Sukh (talk · contribs) and Skoosh (talk · contribs). I don't see any pro/anti Muslim/Hindu thing here. Thanks. --Ragib 22:23, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

• many Indians and Pakistanis often view Bollywood films, because of this and the slang that has developed in these countries, what they speak is similar. If you were to use compelte Urdu and complete Hindi in their purest forms, they would be unintelligble to each other.---HT

To me Urdu might not even have slang cause most of the people who speak Urdu are well educated.I donot expect from them Slang urdu.

Urdu and Hindi have same origin.

The only way we could say that urdu and hindi are different if there grammer rules are different.basic hindi and urdu words are same and i dont know hindi grammer rules and i think it would b hard for you to find anyone who knows both grammer rules.الثاقب (WiseSabre| talk) 23:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Urdu and Hindi have IDENTICAL grammar . Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 23:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Gah.. HT has been readin a lot of stuff from "Pakistan Studies" lately as it seems. I'm not a native speaker of Hindi. I live in Britain and have Urdu friends and Hindi friends. Their grammar seems to be exactly same. AMbroodEY 09:32, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Happytime

Hi,

I see you've been involved in the revert wars at Hindi, Urdu and Hindustani. I believe there is must more to these changes than initially meets the eye and I would appreciate it if you could add evidence against this user at User:Sukh/Revert_War_Evidence. I'm compiling this for a RFC. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 21:32, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Saqib Saud

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to find out who you are, especially if you know people in Lahore. Anyways, you and your friends were pretty vicious on the discussion page. I should it to a few co-workers who are of the Wahabbi Jamaat-i-Islami believers and they were so pissed with you, they began lecturing me that Islam doesn't believe in caste and that a muslim claiming a caste and that to a Hindu one is Haram. I showed them that Muslims do believe in Caste and this discussion shows that its alive and well in Pakistan. Then they got all excited and said they were going to bring this to the attention of the orginisation at the next meeting (of the Jamaat-i-Islami). I found it hillarious since it seems no one is ever happy. Hope all is well, and take care Gorkhali 05:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Dear Saqib

I was always trying to be polite but things started getting personal which is usually the case in a lot of discussions where people cannot meet face to face and have time to discuss topics instead of typing away.

Because of this discussion, I was able to give to my Muslim friends to bring more awareness that the Hindu Caste system is alive and well in Islamic Pakistan. I know you got upset but you have understand that Caste is not simply who your father is, people can loose their Caste. However, I appreciate your cooling down and leaving me a civil message.

No ill will, hope all is well, Take care Gorkhali 18:53, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

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imperative that you take a look at this ] BrandonYusufToropov 15:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Eid Mubarak

Eid Mubarak to you and best wishes. --a.n.o.n.y.m 02:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)