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If they are correctly referenced by a ], then they are NOT ]. However, they may be ]. Don't just throw around terms. ] (]) 06:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC) If they are correctly referenced by a ], then they are NOT ]. However, they may be ]. Don't just throw around terms. ] (]) 06:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

:See ] for an example of the consensus discussions surrounding the inclusion of poverty/SES information. If you want to eliminate information, I suggest restarting discussion and not just unilaterally reverting and threatening editors who have been participating in ] with these articles for the past several months, okay? We should all be ] to build a encyclopedia, right? Thanks. ] (]) 20:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


==Some parts should be compacted== ==Some parts should be compacted==

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The color of the bikeshed...

Early retrospective, but note to self: don't split article on current event until current event is over.

So, umm... there's these elections happening. Where do I put this? It's important on at least 4 articles I helped create a consensus for. Crap!

And, holy mother of invention! Early optimization is the root of all evil! Xavexgoem (talk) 19:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC) bangs head repeatedly against wall

Yeah, you are kinda right... I would suggest 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis, Interim Presidency of Roberto Micheletti, and Chronology of events of the 2009 Honduran coup d'état, to begin with... once the whole crisis is over, there will be lots of work to do to clean up certain things and fill out others. And then you ask yourself, when is it over? I guess you can say when either Zelaya is restored OR when (almost) everyone recognizes the results of the elections and the new president has taken power? Moogwrench (talk) 21:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Nov 29 elections

I think we should mention the elections held on the past day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caoslinger (talk • contribs) 07:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

RfC at 2009 Honduran coup d'état regarding mention of the constitutional crisis in the lede

Comments are welcome at Talk:2009_Honduran_coup_d'état#RfC:_Do_the_sources_support_the_mention_of_coup_as_part_of_the_constitutional_crisis_in_the_lede_of_this_article.3F. Thanks! Moogwrench (talk) 21:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

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I think that the High level of Poverty and the politicised nature of the Supreme court are relevant to this article and were agreed content in the archive. Can User:Alb28 or anybody explain why they are not relevant or come up with an alternative wording.Cathar11 (talk) 16:31, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

ALBA

Zelaya started his constitutional assembly plans roughly at the same time when Honduras joined ALBA.

Other leaders of ALBA successfully sought to eliminate their term limits:

This is important for the article. This is one of the main reasons why his constitutional assembly plans were believed to be about his (or someone else's) re-election in 2013. The other reason was of course that there are only 8 articles which need constitutional assembly before they are modifiable.

Alb28 (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Correlation between events does not establish a relationship, causal or otherwise, an important concept in both science and history, and when you state that it does without a reliable source, that is original research. Thanks. Moogwrench (talk) 21:50, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
The article should explain the months that preceded the "poll". This is a good summary.Alb28 (talk) 02:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
It is a WP:RS. Cite it in the text, and make sure when you cite it that you don't put anything that isn't in the source as content attributed to the source. Moogwrench (talk) 06:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Keep in mind also that this article is the main umbrella article for the entire crisis. If you wish to put more detailed content, put it in Honduran fourth ballot box referendum, which is essentially the sub article all the pre-coup stuff. Look at Talk:2009_Honduran_constitutional_crisis/Archive_8#Created_sub-articles_.28IMPORTANT.29..._proposed_opening_sentence. if you have a question about the consensus setup of these articles. One of the reasons we did the split into the 3 sub-articles is because the main article was getting too big, so we don't need to load it up again with a whole bunch of details. Put those in the appropriate subarticle with perhaps (if notable enough) a brief mention in the main article. Thanks. Moogwrench (talk) 06:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Indiscriminate information

Cathar11 had put put sources that don't mention the crisis at all. Nutritional requirements, etc. which don't mention Zelaya or the crisis are original research. Thanks.Alb28 (talk) 02:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

If they are correctly referenced by a WP:RS, then they are NOT WP:original research. However, they may be WP:IINFO. Don't just throw around terms. Moogwrench (talk) 06:41, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

See this archive for an example of the consensus discussions surrounding the inclusion of poverty/SES information. If you want to eliminate information, I suggest restarting discussion and not just unilaterally reverting and threatening editors who have been participating in consensus-building with these articles for the past several months, okay? We should all be here to build a encyclopedia, right? Thanks. Moogwrench (talk) 20:32, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Some parts should be compacted

The article has paragraphs such as "He was taken to a police station and held for several hours until lawyers from the National Front for Resistance to the Coup interceded. During the same operation, police reportedly manhandled photographer Julio Umaña of the daily Tiempo and confiscated his camera although he had just shown his press accreditation"

Details about someone's camera, etc. should be moved to the Chronology of the 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis. Also why almost half the general elections section is quotes from the "Resistance"? Alb28 (talk) 02:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

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