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Ronn Torossian

Mosmof is engaged in another of his wars and I notice you battle with him. Can you assist ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Babasalichai (talk • contribs) 20:28, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not here to be recruiting into matters I don't care about. –Turian (talk) 20:30, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

List of WWE champions

Per MOS:BOLD "Use italics, not boldface, for emphasis in article text.", and I quote from Misplaced Pages:Featured list candidates/List of TNA World Tag Team Champions for the Row being colored: per WP:COLORS, colored cells should have accompanying symbols (e.g. * ^ †) for accessibility reasons." by a FLRC Reviewer himself, and he lists List of New Jersey Nets head coaches as an example. Afro (Blah Blah Here) 22:32, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Article text ≠ text in tables. Also, I don't give a flying flip about the symbol, but the coloring looks awful. If it is what the norm is, it looks awful. So who do I go to in order to point the finger? –Turian (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

We're just following guidelines dude, so I have no idea who you point the finger to, you can always try to change the guidelines if you disagree, though I don't know where you go to do that. Afro (Blah Blah Here) 23:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Dwayne

This doesn't fit nicely into the thread on Dwayne's talk page now, so I thought I'd say it here. I apologise for implying you were not familiar with Dwayne's repeated requests. I was mistaken. That's all. :-) --Deskana (talk) 23:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I butted heads with him a little while back, and his page has been on my watchlist ever since. I don't get involved too often, but I just thought I would show it from my point of view. –Turian (talk) 23:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter

The WikiProject Professional wrestling Newsletter

The WikiProject Professional wrestling Newsletter Issue LXVI - April 11, 2010 Issue LXV | Issue LXVII Project in Review As of March 2010: Professional wrestling articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 3 7 12 FL 1 26 44 71 GA 10 109 218 1 338 B 11 40 147 360 4 562 C 9 53 310 1,847 46 2,265 Start 2 46 332 5,283 135 5,798 Stub 2 302 1 29 334 List 2 67 1,213 40 1,322 Category 2,341 2,341 Disambig 25 25 File 1,683 1,683 Redirect 1 11 113 671 796 Template 960 960 NA 116 116 Other 7 7 Draft 6 6 Assessed 22 155 1,007 9,387 5,810 255 16,636 Unassessed 2 3 5 Total 22 155 1,007 9,389 5,810 258 16,641 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 42,416 Ω = 4.56 Changes to Featured and Good Content Promoted Featured articles: None Promoted Featured lists: None Promoted Featured topics: None Reassessed Featured content: None Promoted Good articles: Debra Marshall (review page) Nick Mitchell (review page) Promoted Good topics: None Reassessed Good content: None Other Project News —Articles FIP World Heavyweight Championship (review page) and IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship (review page) are current Featured list candidates. NWA World Middleweight Championship (review page) was not promoted to Featured list status. Michael Brendli and ROH World Television Championship (review page) are current Good article nominees. Deletion discussions: Articles for deletion: Current: Brimstone (wrestler) (2nd nomination) and Derek Allen. Deleted: Mike Senica and WrestleMania XXVIII. Requested moves Current: Several requested moves are being discussed at WP:TW#Proposed moves and WP:TW#More proposed moves. Moved: Chris Mordetzky to Chris Masters, Terry Gerin to Rhino (wrestler), Jason Reso to Christian (wrestler), Oleg Prudius to Vladimir Kozlov, Adam Copeland to Edge (wrestler), Sheamus O'Shaunessy to Sheamus, Angel Williams to Angelina Love, Leonardo Carrera to Damián 666, Erick Casas to Heavy Metal (wrestler), Jake Hager to Jack Swagger, Rafael García to Super Caló, and José Luis Jair Soria to Shocker (wrestler). —Project As part of the project's New Year's Resolutions, there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of April 11, we are at 7.62%, with 363 articles currently in Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the stub article subpage. Based on the members list, there are currently 243 members participating in WikiProject Professional wrestling. Events Calendar This section is intended to warn users about potential targets of vandalism and speculation: professional wrestling events from major promotions for the month of April. 18 - Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) presents Lockdown 25 - World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) presents Extreme Rules Recent Professional Wrestling News At WrestleMania XXVI: John Cena won the WWE Championship by defeating Batista. Jack Swagger won the Money in the Bank ladder match. The Undertaker defeated Shawn Michaels in a "Streak vs. Career" match, forcing Michaels to retire. On March 29: It was reported that Consequences Creed and the Nasty Boys (Brian Knobbs and Jerry Sags) had been released from their TNA contracts. Brooke Adams made her TNA debut on Impact! as Eric Bischoff's assistant, Ms. Tessmacher. Jack Swagger cashed in his Money in the Bank contract at the SmackDown taping on March 30 and defeated Chris Jericho to win the World Heavyweight Championship for the first time. The match aired on the April 2 episode of SmackDown. Christopher Daniels was released from his TNA contract on March 31. Chris Kanyon died on April 2 at the age of 40 due to a drug overdose in an apparent suicide. On April 3: Lance Cade was released from his WWE contract. At ROH's The Big Bang! pay-per-view: Christopher Daniels made his return to Ring of Honor (ROH). The Kings of Wrestling (Chris Hero and Claudio Castagnoli) defeated the Briscoe Brothers (Mark and Jay) to win the ROH World Tag Team Championship for the second time. On April 5 on Impact!, Angelina Love won the TNA Women's Knockout Championship by defeating Tara, Velvet Sky, and Daffney, and opening the correct lockbox with the key she won as a result. Editing Tips This section is devoted to helping project members become familiar with the Manual of Style and general editing tips. Please remember that fair use images and media can be only be used if no free equivalent is available or could be created. 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Discussion

Hi Turian,

Do you want me to review this unblock request as is? Or do you want to remove it, rewrite it, and then put it back up? This whole thing appears to have spiraled out of control, and I don't think this unblock request, as it stands now, unspirals it. I doubt there is an admin on this site that would unblock based on this request, so it would be a better use of your time to redraft it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:50, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Reworded. –Turian (talk) 18:59, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

This whole situation, starting yesterday, was (IMHO) handled less than optimally by several people. To be honest, mostly by you, Turian, but also including others to a lesser degree. My concern is that I assume if you're unblocked, you're just going to go back to arguing with the people you've been arguing with previously. I'd like the opportunity to discuss this with you, without the block hanging over your head, but first I'd like your assurance that you won't interact with anyone you've been arguing with the last day or so for the duration of this block, even if you think this is their fault and not your. To be honest, I think the "48 hours to get some sunshine" isn't a bad idea, but I understand that being forced to get some sunshine is seldom a relaxing experience. meanwhile, let me check in with Nihonjoe. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Not to make it sound like an excuse, but being on this side of the fence is rather disadvantageous. That's like asking someone not to flinch or move when you punch them, and if they do, you punch them again and again until they sit still. It's a little harder than one might think. I can ignore them for two days, I started doing that before I was even blocked. –Turian (talk) 19:12, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Not sure I agree with that analogy. Still, as Nihonjoe has given me a cautious OK, and you've agreed to my condition, and since you've been a productive editor that I would hate to lose, I'm unblocking on the condition that you go back to productive editing, and drop this particular issue for a couple of days. I'd like the opportunity to discuss it with you further when you feel like it. And obviously this isn't a carte blanche to resume fighting in 49 hours. OK, let me figure out the dotting of the i's and crossing of the t's, I don't do this very often. It'll be a few minutes. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm fine with you being unblocked, Turian, but you need to tone things way down. You are pretty much out of control here. You need to take several steps back. You are overanalyzing things and missing the big picture. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I assure you that I am not. I am not some child who doesn't understand anything beyond the tip of his nose. I believe I was unjustly blocked by you. A block by you was absolutely unnecessary. –Turian (talk) 19:28, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Luckily, we're all going to go edit articles for a while and talk about this later. Turian, let me know if there is still an autoblock, i think i got them all but I'm semi-hopeless about this kind of thing. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I can talk whenever, now even. And there is no autoblock. –Turian (talk) 19:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, I was kind of hiding behind that excuse. The truth is, I need to get offline myself soon. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:39, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, a summary from my perspective (done pretty fast from memory, no fact checking, no diffs, some of it is blatant looking into someone else's head and ascribing motives, and could be off on details):

• You closed a discussion (fine)
• Someone objected (not fine, consensus was pretty clear, but still, not obviously wrong)
• You restored the close, and somewhere (not quite sure when) the term vandalism started getting thrown about. Could have been handled better.
• ANI thread started by the person who undid your close
• People generally agree with your close, but pointed out that it was unhelpful to call it vandalism. Unfortunately, of those people, one or two sounded a little patronizing, probably unintentionally. Now, I happen to agree with them that you shouldn't call good faith efforts "vandalism", even if they are doing more harm than good. As you yourself realized when it was thrown back in your face later, calling someone a vandal is guaranteed to piss them off, and if it actually is done in good faith, it's unfair.
• You replied too defensively. It wasn't a red herring, it was a different aspect of the same subject. Right about here, I think you stopped "listening" to them , and it would have been useful if they had noticed you weren't listening and dropped it for another day.
• You traded insults with several people, on your pages and theirs.
• Things started to calm down, but there's still the occasional bicker.
• You were blocked. In my own humble opinion, not a useful block, but I do understand it; there was no way to know you'd dropped the subject.
• You made a series of unproductive unblock requests. By now, you're pissed, and there's not much that can be fixed.
• Daniel declines another unblock request, after having "procedurally" declined one. This could have been handled better, but I don't think it was strictly against any rule. Multiple declines by one admin aren't the norm, and can backfire, but I understand he didn't think the first one "counted".
• You deleted his decline (and the comment of another user). Bad decision, even if you thought you were in the right.
• Nihonjoe unblocked figuring this isn't helping anymore (my attitude now, BTW), having not seen your removal. It then gets pointed out to him.
• You start arguing with MRG, when it would have been wiser to keep your head down.
• Nihonjoe feels you acted in bad faith deleting the unblock request, feels tricked, feels that your further arguing indicates you are going to resume things, and reblocks. I don't think this was a trick, so much as not thinking consequences thru. But I certainly don't think this was an unfair block.

Everybody always doing what they thought was right. From my outside perspective, no one here is power mad, or a troll, or a vandal, or anything. Just (per usual) things getting a little worse each time, until they spiral out of control, because no one wants to de-escalate, and everyone escalates a little or a lot.

You say in a couple of places that you don't tolerate fools easily, and you're brusque. But at the same time, at some point you should have noticed that everyone you were coming in contact with was disagreeing with you. Rather than fight half a dozen other people, next time consider walking away (which you did, just kind of late), and realize that when many people are telling you the same thing, it's quite likely that they have a point, even if you don't see it. We can't all be brusque and assume it's the other guy's responsibility to back down or walk away.

Sorry to pontificate and run, but I have to go be productive in real life, or else I'm going to end up with a lot more free time to edit Misplaced Pages. I'll check in tonight or tomorrow AM. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2010 (UTC)