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::::@Errant: The source raises it while discussing the company. That is how I come to the conclusion that they think it relevant to the company. At least that is how I read it. If you think it is "dirt dragging" (and that depends on how you view the info -- my sense is most of the world would differ from you, and view it as laudatory), then it is the RS that is doing so. As to notability, that would be an editing issue, but I view as notable that which the RSs report. My reason for mentioning synth is that is what I would use to describe bringing in unrelated material -- but as you suggest by your response, that is not an issue here, which is my view as well. So are we down to a question of differences of view as to whether what an RS reported vis-a-vis the company is notable? @CIreland--would you have viewed it as better if it revealed that the source of the information was WS? --] (]) 14:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC) ::::@Errant: The source raises it while discussing the company. That is how I come to the conclusion that they think it relevant to the company. At least that is how I read it. If you think it is "dirt dragging" (and that depends on how you view the info -- my sense is most of the world would differ from you, and view it as laudatory), then it is the RS that is doing so. As to notability, that would be an editing issue, but I view as notable that which the RSs report. My reason for mentioning synth is that is what I would use to describe bringing in unrelated material -- but as you suggest by your response, that is not an issue here, which is my view as well. So are we down to a question of differences of view as to whether what an RS reported vis-a-vis the company is notable? @CIreland--would you have viewed it as better if it revealed that the source of the information was WS? --] (]) 14:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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For your edits to bring Ian Kinsler and Scott Feldman to hopefully a GA status Ositadinma (talk) 21:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Rjanag arbitration-related

Encouragement

Please persevere through all the drama surrounding The Shells article and Rjanag. I believe such drama drives many good editors away, and I don't want it to happen to you. You do good work and I appreciate it. - Draeco (talk) 00:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Ditto. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 13:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
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For your your valiant efforts to defend The Shells (folk band) article with your reasoned arguments and perseverance, and for taking conflicts in your stride and continuing undeterred with your good work as a Misplaced Pages editor. Illegitimi non carborundum. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 01:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:ANI--Rjanag; Rjanag Arbitration

With heavy heart, I have reported Rjanag at the ANI here based on what I believe was grossly uncivil behavior during the Shells affair. It is neither a personal attack against him nor a favor to you, but his behavior compelled me to act. As an involved party I think you should know. - Draeco (talk) 06:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your note. My heart too has grown heavier the more the relationship between the nom and the closing admin reveals itself.
As you know, now that that ANI has closed, I've opened up this Rjanag arbitration. Quick question as to your comment there. You indicated that you don't recommend de-sysopping as he didn't abuse admin privileges. My reading of WP:ADMIN, as I quoted it there, was that de-sysopping is one possible appropriate treatment of an admin who displays consistently or egregiously poor judgment, or who seriously, or repeatedly, acts in a problematic manner or has lost the trust or confidence of the community, including repeated/consistent poor judgment, breach of basic policies (attacks, biting/civility, edit warring), "bad faith" adminship (gross breach of trust), and conduct elsewhere incompatible with adminship. Did I miss something (in which case I should amend my request), or do you read it differently? Or perhaps just have a more lenient approach than WP:ADMIN? Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies

This may be too little too late, but I have left you a message with my apologies at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Statement by Rjanag. Thank you, rʨanaɢ /contribs 18:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Full reply @ Rjanag Arbitration

  • I'm saddened that you did not do so many weeks earlier. But only after being completely unrepentant through dozens of requests/incidents involving me and others, an AN/I, an arb request being filed, evidence pouring forth regarding your extraordinarily close relationship with the closing admin, and arb voters indicating that they do not agree with your pooh-poohing of the matter. And even yesterday you were saying you do not need to apologize. It certainly makes it look as though rather than being heartfelt, this has more to do with your desire to avoid the scrutiny of an arbitration.
Finally, on further inspection, your "apology" is barely an apology at all -- as you fail to admit and to apologize for your persistent incivility, untruthful statements, bullying, wikihounding, gaming the system, edit warring, and knowing COI. Further inspection also reveals that your behavior spreads over a number of matters, and impacts a number of editors. They deserve better. My full comments can be found at Rjanag Arbitration. --Epeefleche (talk) 07:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

A word in your ear

I participated in the first Shells AfD in question. AfD is a frequent stomping ground of mine, and I find it extremely common to see articles like The Shells to be put up for AfD, and just as common to see them deleted as a result of them not satisfying the basic notability and sourcing requirements of WP. Sometimes creators/editors who fail to accept that. There is occasionally dogged opposition to a deletion, which you demonstrated to see the article wasn't deleted, leading to bitter fights which may get personal. The Shells AfD was certainly one of those. I believe the tone set by Rjanag in the AfD was not appropriate, effectively winding up people who would have supported the deletion on the merits of the case alone that prevailed eventually. While I applaud you for your tenacious fight to keep the article, I believe that the lesson to be learned would be to strive for improved sourcing and better writing of an article to avoid the common pitfalls which lead to deletion. I have been upset when articles I have contributed significantly were put to AfD, because it's a natural tendency to want to look after one's baby. I know the above from Rjanag is not the unreserved apology you feel you deserve. But hard as it may be, I hope you will not take the deletion too personally. Perhaps one day, The Shells will be a notable band... I hope you will stay around for when that happens. Ohconfucius 04:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. We can have different views as to the AfD merits. We're not alone--just look at the votes at the two AfDs. That's fair. And needn't be uncivil. I've created nearly 200 articles in my years here, and made more than a few thousand edits, so I have a bit of a sense for notability.
I credit you, however, for agreeing with those of us who believe that the tone set by Rjanag in the AfDs was not appropriate. Not many have crossed the aisle, stood up, and made themselves heard on that point.
Also, his misconduct included misstatements. That does not lead IMHO to the best decision-making by those who are trying to make a decision based on facts, not misstatements.
Many editors noticed his misconduct. At least 20 discussed it with him in the past few months, with communications ranging from complaints to warnings to AN/Is. Those 20 editors from what I can tell are essentially unrelated--joined only by their common concern over his misconduct.
As to the "ownership" point, I don't get the sense that Draeco brought the Shells AN/I, or that the other editors spoke up about the conduct that led to the Shells and the other AN/Is, because of "ownership" issues. Quite the opposite. Rather, they think as I do that misconduct is bad, they care about this project, and they believe that misconduct of this sort adversely impacts the project.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
  • I sympathise. With all your experience, he still managed to wind you up. In my previous dealings with him, he's been pretty no-nonsense, occasionally blunt; he's never been abusive, but one can sense what lurks below the surface. I don't know what's got into him. I'll make a mental note but I'd rather not have to spend time looking into it for now. Happy editing! Ohconfucius 02:51, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
  • It's not every day I see an admin write one editor: "You can go f_ck yourself" , use the same choice words to another editor, and also write "if you bring them to ANI … you will get bitch-slapped so fast it'll make your head spin … You f_cking moron”. --Epeefleche (talk) 03:09, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
No you don't. Whoever let the lord of the jungle out? ;-) Ohconfucius 18:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

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I award Epeefleche the special barnstar for his work on Nidal Malik Hasan's article and for defending the article from POV motivated edits.--Gilisa (talk) 10:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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Great job in updating Anwar al-Awlaki article. --Firefly322 (talk) 06:01, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
The Working Man's Barnstar
...is awarded to Epeefleche for major clean-up above and beyond the call of duty on the Inner Temple Library article. Well done! The article will likely survive AfD thanks to you and your addition of quite a few references, among other things! Even an 1897 New York Times article!!!! Fantastic! --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 03:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Rudy York

I added a footnote pointing to York's HR Log at bb-reference. York hit his 50th on 1938-06-15 which was the 51st game of the Tiger season. York had 107 career games before 1938. So the latest he could have hit his 50th was career game #158.DavidRF (talk) 09:05, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Help me here ... how do we know it was the 51st game of the season? And we have an RS saying something else--does this fall into the cat of a violation of Misplaced Pages:No original research? Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Aafia Siddiqui

Some terrific work there on Aafia Siddiqui Bachcell (talk) 19:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Working Man's Barnstar for the Moazzam Begg article

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for your additions, editing, and Herculean clean-up on the Moazzam Begg article!

It is truly impressive. -- Randy2063 (talk) 04:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Moazzam Begg and Cageprisoners

This link is now dead: http://www.cageprisoners.com/campaigns.php?id=818 -- it's not in archive.org.

I could have said this in the talk section of Begg's article, but I wanted to add here that I'm wondering if Cageprisoners may be cleaning up some of their tracks.

I came across this link two years ago. It's a discussion board. On that page they talk about 21st Century Crusaders. The only thing really notable is that it had a link where you could download the entire film. As you can see, the page is now password protected, as is the one taking you to the film.

In light of the disappearing pages, I just used webcitation.org to archive the ones that we have linked in the article that weren't yet deleted. I haven't cited that in the article yet, although that doesn't necessarily matter at the moment. Webcitation has a function to tell you whether or not it's been archived.

-- Randy2063 (talk) 18:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Najibullah Zazi

Hi there. Just a quick note: Great job editing the article. It now looks complete. Thanks! Tuscumbia (talk) 14:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Ressam group; goal -- the subject "should be pleased to see they have a WP article"?

http://books.google.ca/books?id=E1_SxOuUHmIC&dq=%22abu+jaffar%22+terrorism&source=gbs_navlinks_s From page 320 onward] has some great information on the various players in the Ressam group. You could add the reference to almost each of the articles, as it discusses each of them. Sherurcij 06:09, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, my friend. Shall take a look. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
BTW, do you think the Montreal mosque (Assuna ... spelled various ways in English ... attracts 1500 to Friday prayers) is worth an article?--Epeefleche (talk) 07:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm generally fairly inclusive when it comes to churches/schools having articles; unless they written largely to "smear" the group. So if you're going to include a "list of notable persons who attended", be sure to balance it out with some positive stories from the media/books as well...basically, the group should be pleased to see they have a WP article...not angry. Sherurcij 06:12, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Well, that's not precisely the way it works, is it. We don't write articles to please the subject. Otherwise, for example, all criminals would rightfully have their articles deleted. What we do, which I'm happy to do with your help if you like, is reflect what is in the RSs. In other words, if x percent of the material in RSs is material that they would be happy to see, we should make certain that x percent of the article is of that ilk. Agreed?--Epeefleche (talk) 06:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Taking your advice

Taking your advice, I've rolled back my own edit. That aside, please respond to me instead of blanking this message. I have been civil with you, why can't you return the favor and discuss this with me?— dαlus 05:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

I should have checked the history of this page, and for failing to do so, and assuming bad faith, I apologize. It is fine if you remove this message of course, now that I know. Again, I am sorry. I hope you can forgive me. I understand the need to not have clutter, I just wish that I was so insistent upon it that I could manage to clean my room. I'm actually considering a wikibreak because-(this will continue in email, if you don't mind). I'm experiencing too much stress. I'm even considering changing my 'oppose' to a 'support' regarding the interaction ban with Mb. I don't want there to be an indef ban, but considering things, and .. other things, I may just resolve to, instead of reverting their edits, responding to them, instead, I will simply report the edits to the admin who placed the original 24 hour ban, and let them decide for themselves. If this user continues to personally attack others, then they will get sanctioned.— dαlus 06:13, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

street

I initially made the edit on a "gut" basis; I've been around the Internet a long time (pre-web), and have seen "facts" like that have very bad outcomes, e.g. an acquaintance who had an armed activist drive cross-country and show up at his workplace, which another person had mentioned in an abortion-related forum the two were active in.

Following your serious query, I went looking for policy.

  • First, WP:BLP: "Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy." The remainder of the policy is also relevant, particularly "When writing about a person notable only for one or two events, including every detail can lead to problems, even when the material is well-sourced." and "Misplaced Pages also contains biographies of people who, while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability, and omit information that is irrelevant to their notability."
  • Second, WP:NOT: "As explained in the policy introduction, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia". I judge that the street name is not suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia; the edit comment is based on one of the 5 pillars.
  • Third, WP:NPOV: the nutshell "Articles must be written from a neutral point of view, representing all significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias." On a proportionate basis, how important is the street he lived on?

Studerby (talk) 21:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. Thanks for the response. I was guessing it was a gut basis. Nice work in doing such a professional job looking for support for the gut feeling. My gut reaction is that different people have different gut reactions, and (moreso elsewhere, admittedly) I sometimes see editors cloak their gut reactions in similar verbiage. As I said, I'm not passionate about the issue in that particular case. My view in general is that if RSs report it, it generally meets the above, just as the name of the former spouse of a suspected killer or their current relatives would meet them if reported in RSs, or the place they are employed, or the city or state or country in which they live (all of which are routinely mentioned in all such bios, without any discussion, and could be attacked as inappropriate in the strictest reading of what you cite -- this is, after all, clearly only a question of degree, as the general place they live is routinely deemed relevant), etc.. The same issues arise in all such instances. Just my opinion. But we don't have a tussle on this particular edit, just an intellectual inquiry. I think based on your research, your response, and my response, it still ultimately comes down to editorial judgment, and in the event there were a tussle on another article there would be a consensus discussion.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. "Editorial judgment" inherently can't be codified, and we're all going to use our gut from time to time - no one has time to research and cite policy for every single edit. However, I also just went back to the version I edited; neither RS referenced in that paragraph has the street (at this moment), so the information was also unsourced, apparently. I'm suspecting that somebody interpolated that from the criminal complaint, which is NOT an RS for all purposes - it's a primary source, inherently one sided, etc.; certainly not subject to the "editorial judgment" that a proper secondary source uses. I generally shy away from controversy, but I think policy on this is absolutely crystal clear and this is one edit I'd go to the mat for, if it was needed.
In the cases you mention, where RSs have included reference to relations or acquaintances of the article subject, I suspect you'll find that those individuals have usually involved themselves in the reporting by becoming information sources on the topic. You won't see very many statements in current event reportage in RSs like " married Jane Doe (born 1955 in Boston) in 1967, had children John (1970), Janette (1971), Chang and Eng (1973) and divorced in 1974. He subsequently married and divorced Floozy Mcsleazy, a pole dancer, in 1980, and cohabitated with a Ima Nicegirl from 1985 to 1992." Instead you get, "His wife, Jane Doe, said: 'Billy-Wayne was such a nice quiet person. I can't believe he kept a collection of human ears in our garage.'". The wife's name is then relevant to the notability, as a source of reported information relevant to the notability of the subject. Or there's some sort of at-least-arguable relevant-to-the-story event involving the relative; in the article under discussion, a protective order and the inability to serve divorce papers arguably are facts that tell us something about the subject's life relevant to his notability; folks with "issues" are thought to be more motivated to do things outside the norm. However, in the reference cited, the wife also injected herself into the story and made several statements in support of subject; that only the negative material relating to the wife is included is an obvious WP:NPOV problem, and which rather seems to undermine any "include all the facts" argument. Studerby (talk) 23:47, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

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Eric Ely

Thank you for your Wikignome-like edits. What do you think, substantively? Bearian (talk) 21:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm puzzling over why the article is up for AfD, frankly. Does the nom dislike you? I'm just poking around the article for the moment and looking at the sources, and curious what others have to say.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:48, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
As you can tell from my comments at the AfD, I found Greg L’s analysis somewhat short of what I think you are entitled to when someone reviews your article at an AfD, and suggests deletion of your article.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:43, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

The Socratic Barnstar

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I was very impressed by your rebuttal to an administrator that wrote, " is an admin ... I'm sorry but in any conflict between the two of you that requires weighing the relative commitment to the goals of the project or of the project's mores, I'll be backing ." -- Rico 03:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

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For helping to save Eric Ely from sure deletion. Bearian (talk) 15:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

New York energy law

You seem to be everywhere. Thanks for the minor edits. Bearian (talk) 20:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Jon Scheyer GA

Congratulations on the GA. Here are my suggestions for conversion in June:--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Jon Scheyer
Scheyer vs. Long Beach State (December 29, 2009)
CollegeDuke
ConferenceACC
SportBasketball
PositionGuard
Jersey #30
ClassSenior
MajorHistory
NicknameThe "Jewish Jordan"
Career2006–10
Height6 ft 5 in (1.96 m)
Weight190 lb (86 kg)
NationalityUnited States American
Born (1987-08-24) August 24, 1987 (age 37)
Northbrook, Illinois
High schoolGlenbrook North High School,
Northbrook, Illinois
Career highlights
Awards
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Jonathan James "Jon" Scheyer (born August 24, 1987, in Northbrook, Illinois) is an All-American 6' 5" guard, who was selected by the XXX with the Xth overall selection in the 2010 NBA Draft. He led his high school team to an Illinois state basketball championship and the 2009–10 Duke Blue Devils to the 2010 NCAA Basketball Championship. He was a prolific high school scorer who earned numerous individual statistical championships in Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) play, ranging from free throw percentage and three point shots/game to assists/turnover ratio.

A high school All-American, he once scored 21 points in a game's final 75 seconds of play in an attempt to spark a comeback. The 4th-leading scorer in Illinois high school history, he led his team to a state championship in 2005 and was named Illinois Mr. Basketball in 2006. He chose Duke, for whom he moved over from shooting guard to point guard towards the end of the 2008–09 season, and was the Most Valuable Player (MVP) of the 2009 ACC Men's Basketball Tournament.

In his senior year in 2009–10 as Duke's captain, he led the team to ACC regular season and Tournament championships and to the NCAA National Championship. He led the championship team in points per game, assists, free throw percentage, and steals per game. Scheyer was a 2010 consensus All-American (Second Team), a unanimous 2009–10 All-ACC First Team selection, and was named to the 2010 ACC All-Tournament First Team. He played the most consecutive games in Duke history (144), and holds the ACC single-season record for minutes (1,470 in 2009–10) and the Duke freshman free throw record (115), shares the Duke record for points off the bench in a game (27).

Scheyer was drafted by the XXX with the Xth pick of the X round (Xth overall, if 2nd round) of the 2010 NBA Draft. If there was a trade to get the pick to select him mention it here. (He is represented by XXX if he has a famous agent like Rob Pelinka or something).

On behalf of WP:CHICAGO, thanks
This user helped promote Jon Scheyer to good article status.
--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

2010 Times Square car bomb attempt

You've been doing incredible work on this article and I wanted to make it clear how much I appreciate your work on it. You've been prolific in editing the article, and adding in relevant information, and while I've followed this story myself, in all of your edits I've not disagreed with you once (maybe I missed something... or maybe I thought the police commissioner should be facing the other direction....). Thank you, and please keep up the good work. I'll try to help as much as I can. Shadowjams (talk) 10:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar suggestions for Jimbo

I've never given out a barnstar. But I imagine Jimbo deserves one for this.

Can anyone suggest which template I might consider using? Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Coat-racking; Cameron Scott

Actually, I understand it fine thanks, since you had to told by a number of different editors that you didn't understand it in regards to that article, I suggest you step out of your greenhouse before you attempt to throw stones. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

If you want to write an article on her, write an article on her but we don't stick bios of other individuals within bio articles. If you are unhappy about this, I suggest you mention it on the talkpage, I suspect you will get the same response you got last time, you tried to coatrack an article. --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:22, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
You have not responded to my questions.--Epeefleche (talk) 10:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi Epeefleche I can sympathise with your editorial issues. It would appear that some editors delete the regularly clear the contents of their discussion page without using an one of the archiving options so as to conceal their editor dispute history from other editors especially the most recently to be upset by more recent editing activities. dolfrog (talk) 12:12, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

It is fundementally very easy to understand when something is a coat-rack, it's not that obscures details about La Rose, but it provides nothing additional about La Rose - for example, how does it expand our understanding of the BLP Subject La Rose to know that Paulin-Ramirez changed the name of her son? How does it expand our understanding of La Rose that Paulin-Ramirez was getting married? etc etc. The relevent information about Paulin-Ramirez in the context of a bio of La Rose is covered in the previous paragraph. Why don't you simply take the deleted material and create a seperate article and link to it, it's sourced so not a problem. --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:33, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Replacing Passengers with Activists

Interested to know the reasons for replacing 'Passengers' with 'Activists' on the Gaza flotilla raid. . The change does not seem very Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view. Firefishy (talk) 23:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Passenger is a "set" used to distinguish between crew member and others who are not crew members. But it is less descriptive of the role of the people and their purpose than is the term activist. Most passengers are not activists, and it is not the activity that the term passenger brings to mind. But here the purpose of the activity was one of activism. The preferred approach is to use the most descriptive term that is accurate (we could also use the less descriptive term "people", but wouldn't for the same reason).--Epeefleche (talk) 00:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Cool, thank you for the explanation. -- Firefishy (talk) 08:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Background section of Gaza flotilla article

Another thing in relation to the background - I removed the statement regarding the blockade and 4th Geneva convention that I think you may have restored in the past. I did put a note on the talk page, but since that's getting archived I thought I'd make a note here also. Anyway, reason I removed it is because the reference was to the Australian SMH newspaper, stating regarding the legality of the blockade under the convention. The article was a little amibguous and it appeared to be an opinion from the journalist rather than Israel itself. It got my attention as it contradicted Israel's previous statements regarding Gaza and the Geneva conventions (See Gaza blockade). Hope this makes sense, cheers Clovis Sangrail (talk) 02:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Will see if I can figure out where that was. Was it being put in the legality section, and just a question of attribution?--Epeefleche (talk) 17:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
No its in the background. I think you have have brought it in restoring other material. I've just removed the same statement again. I'd be grateful for your opinion on whether I'm right though - as I dont want to remove valid material. The line in question is
Israel responded that the blockade is pursuant to Article 23 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, saying it indicates that if goods entering enemy territory contribute to the enemy's war effort, they can be blocked
with this reference , which is an opinion piece. As far as I can tell the Geneva convention statement is from the articles author and not official Israelii sources. I think Israel's past statements on the Gaza blockade have stated Geneva is not appopriate, and I think for the flotilla they've invoked the San Remo convention. Cheers Clovis Sangrail (talk) 09:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Lacrosse

Hi, I noticed your contributions and thought you might be interested in joining WikiProject Lacrosse. If you are interested in contributing more to Lacrosse related articles you may want to join WikiProject Lacrosse (signup here). --Yarnalgo talk to me 17:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer granted

You have been granted the 'reviewer' userright, allowing you to to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC). Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial. When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Misplaced Pages:Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here. If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. –xeno 13:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Activistboatclash.jpg in Legal assessments of the Gaza flotilla raid

FYI, there is a comment at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content review#Non-free images inquiry (the bottom of the section) regarding the use of this image. Perhaps you and they will be able to communicate more productively than you and I. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Nableezy

I find it facinating that Nableezy, just coming off his lengthy topic ban, makes this very provocative and contentious edit without so much as uttering a word on the discussion page. Technically, he didn't violate the letter of the law but he certainly violated its spirit. Your thoughts please.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 20:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

My thoughts are that if someone gets a ban that specifically says it includes not being allowed to revert vandalism, then that someone immediately announces that he's going to ignore that part of the ban, then actually goes and ignores it, then when the issue comes up before the people who put the ban in place they do nothing, that someone would probably feel he can get away with anything. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Agree w/No More Mr Nice Guy. Sysop Sandstein, who railroaded the close of the Nableezy complaint -- after Nab had effectively told Sandstein to go f_ck himself w/regard to Nab's ban, and that Nab was going to do what he damn well pleased and intended to violate the ban -- encouraged poor behavior with Sandstein's own happy (or intimidated?) acceptance of Nab's belittling of Sandstein. I mean -- under the circumstances, if you were in Nab's place, what reason would there be to have even the lowest level of respect for that sysop, or be concerned that he would enforce wiki rules against you? Nab is reacting quite logically, under the circumstances.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Threeafterthree; Block

Just indeffed Tom for disruptive editing per your report. Thanks, FASTILY 01:22, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Got a moment?

Hi. I noticed that you just answered a concern for a user over on the wikiquette alert page. Could I impose on you to take a look at my entry and advise accordingly? Thanks. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 05:32, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

True/Slant Did You Know nomination

At T:TDYK, I raised an issue regarding the hook selected for True/Slant. I don't have a particular concern regarding the True/Slant article, just the hook. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 17:03, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

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Barnstar

The Article Rescue Barnstar
For turning this into this. Fences&Windows 13:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

List of Jews in sports

Consider adding Sam Stoller to the list. He was an NCAA sprint champion and a remarkable man. Cbl62 (talk) 23:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for C. J. Stevens

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RlevseTalk18:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Triple Crown Stats

The infobox does allow for up to six statistics, but those should be used in only the instances of players with records of some sort. This was discussed.--Muboshgu (talk) 03:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

This is a conversation that has been had for years. I see a number of the usual participants didn't see or take part in this one. I've just added my thoughts. I think your original comment was spot on -- I remember the days well of only batting average being mentioned in print or TV, but those are long gone. No harm will come from allowing editor discretion. It is retrograde to suggest that BA should be reflected, and OBP or SP or OPS not.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Joe Plumeri

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The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Tx

It's no problem. I'm an article writer myself, and I can certainly understand the frustration if one spends hours upon hours on a single article, only to see someone come along and destroy most of it effortlessly. The trimmed article got rid of exactly how much I thought should've gone away: 10%. Spasm was deleting content because of a petty grudge, which is unfair to the subjects of these articles. I have tried to use the GA-Class article Billy Pierce as a model to expand baseball player articles on Misplaced Pages, and he brought it up out of nowhere threatening to hack that down to start class as well, just because Pierce was "less important" than Mickey Mantle and Hank Aaron and therefore has too big of a file size. He failed to mention that those extra KB in the Pierce article was attributed to 100+ reference citations. He seems to leave out a lot of facts whenever arguing his side of thing. Oh well. Two months+ from now I'm not going to put up with his crap if he does it again. Vodello (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Long Island Council of Churches

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Cordoba

hi there,

thank you very much for your comment, you are welcome.

I took some images of the old factory building, however some of the images I uploaded still need to be stitched into panoramic shots, which would give nicer views of the whole building. I put in the request in Commons a while ago, unfortunately months later still nothing has happened, I don't know why. If you know anyone who can help, please let them know. cheers. Gryffindor (talk) 21:44, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure thing. I would suggest you contact User:WhisperToMe, who is very knowledgeable and helpful in the images area. Feel free to blame me for the introduction. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Review Request

It is a small world. Your DYK link for Cordoba House led me to the December, 2009, Times article--your source for the phrase, "its location was a selling point for the Muslims who bought the land." Although I don't recognize the building at all from the pictures, I shopped there when it was being operated by Sy Syms. I still have a couple of his coat hangers from that single trip in the early 1980s.

Curiously, Syms died last year, just about the time that Abdul Rauf was announcing his plans for Cordoba House--I don't think that was the cause.--Komowkwa (talk) 02:50, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Gerald Garson

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RlevseTalk18:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Should the user be reported for edit warring?

? Will you do it please? Best.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm crossing my fingers hoping that the world telling him that his editing is POINTy, disruptive, against consensus, and edit warring will result in his being less emotional about his AfD having failed, with such limited support. I'm guessing he is intelligent enough to realize the errors of his ways, and will act like a upright member of the community in the future, and stop his edit warring. So, at this point, I'm happy to assume good faith, and that his disruption will stop in the face of community approbation. --Epeefleche (talk) 02:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Speech and language pathology

Back in April this year you added some improvement templates to the Speech and language pathology article. I have made a few changes to the article over the the last week or so, but there has been no input or reaction from any other more regular editors of this article. So I was wondering if you could have a look at some of the issues you raised in April, especially the copyright issue, to assess whether any improvements have been made. dolfrog (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Gerald Garson

Not familiar with American issues but got lead to that article and very impressed. I want to add it to your page, but too complicated. Do you mind if I watch your discussion page?

The BLP Barnstar
For a major effort on enlarging Gerald Garson. Cheers. Luckymelon (talk) 22:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on the school webcam lawsuit article

Thanks for your work on Blake J. Robbins v. Lower Merion School District‎. Blue Rasberry 04:58, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for East Meadow Jewish Center

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RlevseTalk06:02, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Irrelevant images

Do you have consensus for a claim that stock images of candy and the Bill of Rights belong in an article about privacy issues, or am I good to undo your error? Şłџğģő 17:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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Soho Properties

The link and some of the material you restored in this edit is in clear violation of the biographies of living persons policy. Please do not restore it a further time. CIreland (talk) 13:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

This also just got raised at ANI - not sure why you haven't been notified]] --Errant Tmorton166 13:23, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that's correct. Certainly, it is not IMHO a "clear violation of BLP". But why don't I let you explain why you believe that is the case. There are three items -- which are you contesting, and on what basis? Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 13:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
The business about the uncle and the link to JihadWatch are the most problematic part - these are the same parts that have raised criticism at WP:ANI. CIreland (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Making the link to the uncle (as the article does) is reasonably appropriate because it is a notable fact about the owner. Further information on the uncle is inappropriate a) because it should be in his article and b) because it is tarring the owner (and company) by association. --Errant Tmorton166 13:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Happy to address these, but would like your input as to the best fora. Am going to a meeting shortly, and can see this being discussed: a) here, b) ANI, or c) as suggested at ANI, at BLPN (which makes most sense if that is the issue, IMHO). Thoughts as how best to proceed?--Epeefleche (talk) 13:30, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
ANI is active, best keep it there. There is a link from here.... Sumbuddi (talk) 13:32, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
@Tmorton -- without even taking the time to check myself as I'm running out soon -- dont the refs make the connection? @Sum -- A couple of editors have already suggested that BLPN was the better place to address it.--Epeefleche (talk) 13:34, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Check that -- I took a look. The ref makes precisely that connection vis-a-vis the uncle. This isn't synth at all. See "His partner is Nour Mousa, another guiding figure in the Ground Zero mosque effort and the nephew of Amr Moussa, head of the Arab League. Amr Moussa was the first major Arab leader to go to Gaza and affirm support for Hamas, in mid-June, after the recent blockade-running assault." --Epeefleche (talk) 13:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeh, but the point is that in an encyclopaedia article about the business there is no relevance in detailed information about the uncle (unless it directly relates to the business). The addition looks like an attempt to tar the company. --Errant Tmorton166 13:44, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
ANI is best for short-term discussions, BLPN for longer term, more involved analysis. However, I think your best course of action would be to cease editing the article and move quietly on. You attempted to smear a living individual in order to push a POV; you are currently on very thin ice. CIreland (talk) 13:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Tx. Don't wish to create a fuss, and if I've erred I apologize. But truthfully, I'm struggling to understand precisely which part is a problem. If an RS reports on Soho House, and in reporting on the company -- which is precisely what it was doing here -- states x, my understanding of BLP is that properly cited and accurately referenced it is appropriate for me to reflect what the RS reported. If you are saying that I am not allowed to do so if the RS is critical of a BLP, that's further than I understood BLP to go, but I'm happy to increase my understanding. Here I have a perfectly appropriate RS ref, speaking specifically about Soho House (same as the article does), and making precisely the same point. I've referenced it. Is your problem that you believe I've engaged in synth? I don't see it. Are you critical of the source? I believe it is an RS. Are you suggesting that the ref is being critical of Soho House (which is not a BLP issue, I would think)? Well, RSs do that all the time. We routinely report RS-reported material that is critical. Plus--it is not even clear that it is critical -- why would you say that? There are people on both sides of the issue that the RS raised. Would you prefer that I have said "x reported that?" I didn't think it necessary, but am happy to oblige. Would like a little more to help me understand what I'm missing. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 13:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
I've told you explicitly what the issue is; the information is not relevant to the company. And adding it is simply an attempt to tar the founder and the company (which is the BLP issue). --Errant Tmorton166 13:53, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
My understanding is that if an RS reports it as relevant to the company, that I am fine relying on that. This is not synth, where I brought in an extraneous fact. I took an RS article on the company, and reflected what it said.--Epeefleche (talk) 13:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Does the source say it is relevant to information about the company? Not as I read it (it also looks like a pretty dubious piece of "dirt dragging" to me :)) Anyway; the information is clearly non-encyclopaedic and non-notable (which is the bit we judge on). I'm not sure why you are talking about synth (misdirection?) --Errant Tmorton166 14:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Verifiability of a statement is necessary condition for inclusion, but it is not sufficient. Statements must be verifiable and neutral. Although The Weekly Standard may be suitable with regard to verifiability it is a very poor guide to neutrality; using it as the sole guide to neutrality is out of the question. Regarding the other matter, linking to Jihad Watch is always inappropriate except when the content concerns Jihad Watch itself. CIreland (talk) 14:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
@Errant: The source raises it while discussing the company. That is how I come to the conclusion that they think it relevant to the company. At least that is how I read it. If you think it is "dirt dragging" (and that depends on how you view the info -- my sense is most of the world would differ from you, and view it as laudatory), then it is the RS that is doing so. As to notability, that would be an editing issue, but I view as notable that which the RSs report. My reason for mentioning synth is that is what I would use to describe bringing in unrelated material -- but as you suggest by your response, that is not an issue here, which is my view as well. So are we down to a question of differences of view as to whether what an RS reported vis-a-vis the company is notable? @CIreland--would you have viewed it as better if it revealed that the source of the information was WS? --Epeefleche (talk) 14:12, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Six-Day War

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