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Caribbean

Hi. I was wondering if you could have a look at this edit. I can't read Hebrew, but it appears that the original interwiki link went to an article, while the new one goes to a blank page - but I'm a total illiterate when it comes to Hebrew. Thanks. Guettarda 14:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

First interwiki link was for the Antilles (האיים האנטילים); second one is correct, but the article has yet to be written — there is a Caribbean islands (איים בים הקריבי) category and a Caribbean sea (הים הקריבי) which Caribbean ( קריביים) redirects to, so... I'll just remove that link and interwiki the categories, for now. El_C 13:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Guettarda 00:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I'll add the correct Hebrew wikilink to the Antilles, which inexplicably enough was linked to the Caribbean sea (הים הקריבי). El_C 15:00, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Johnski Arbitration Case

Just a quick update on the arbitration case, two new arbitrators voted and there now might be enough votes to close the case finally. We need to keep an eye on this and make sure whatever solution that passes is fully implemented.

I'm pushing for a little bit tougher outcome, but realistically it's probably not going to happen. If you have time, please make some comments at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Johnski/Proposed decision. Hopefully, semi-protection will be enough. Davidpdx 12:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to get to it (hopefuly). El_C 13:06, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Mr. El C: It is unfortunate that after we made some progress that Johnski muddied the waters, however, the CBS reference may be a better source than quatloos for saying that DOM is a fraud. Quatloos seems to be a web site that has no real credentials, although it does a good job of tracking various frauds. Do you have time to resume the issues I raised before? Best, KAJ207.47.122.10 05:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

removed links

It wasn't the SAME link! You could have asked before removing them! Or at least you could have looked more carefully. 86.120.201.28

I looked carefuly, I meant they were all from the same news.softpedia.com/news/ url. El_C 03:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

and all written by a certain author called Vlad Tarko. Some self-promotion possibly? --Jgritz 03:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Anyway, I viewed it as potential self-promotion regardless (even if it's just a random fan of that site, the effect is the same). El_C 04:08, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Bible verses and chapters on Misplaced Pages

Hi El C: Shavua Tov ! It is important that you see the following proposed Misplaced Pages policy pages and their discussion pages at Misplaced Pages:Centralized discussion/Verses of 1 Kings 4 and 5 AND Misplaced Pages:Centralized discussion/Whole bible chapter text. Thanks for giving this matter your serious attention before discussion is closed and the "policy" is set. IZAK 10:02, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try to look at it soon. "ny article containing only Bible text should be speedily deleted or redirected as is necessary" seems like a reasonable premise. But so long as entries are grounded in the scholarship, avoiding redundancy, original research, et cetera... !שבוע טוב El_C 10:16, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not arguing, just wanted to make sure that people, other than Christian scholars only, managed to get a look at the discussions, and inserted their penny's worth. IZAK 10:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I didn't mean to imply you were arguing, in any direction if at all (I would'nt know at this point), just a first impression :) El_C 10:27, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Refactoring

Not that it is actually important, but are you remembering the Webcomics correctly? The total of the refactoring that I did was moving some comments to the talk page, and there was some objection. You may be confusing this with the refactoring that was done during the case, where another editor removed some discussion and there was also some objection. - brenneman 11:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Heh, what? 'Twas tongue in cheek, as in: look, that Professor of Gynaecology & Doctor of Misogyny Aaron Brenneman hath done it again! El_C 11:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh look, a clue has been left here and someone missed it... Sorry about that, clearly the doctor was out. It's obvious in retrospect, and an indication that my gun ports have been open too long. Can I make my CSS scheme display "Misplaced Pages is not a battleground" in place of "Save page"? I think I need it right now. - brenneman 11:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

That's correct, yes! While you're here, what do you think would be the best route for me to ensure I don't become an ArbClerk? No need to actually reply, I already assume your answer is flame everyone, which of course I find very appealing. Vehemently yours, El_C 11:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

PM or President

And for example why in USA is President and in Spain it should be Prime Minister? 83.213.85.12 07:48, 29 January 2006

US is Presidential, not constitutional monarchy. See PM of Spain entry for English/Spanish usage. El_C 14:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

But you should admit that in Spain we have a President, no a Prime Minister, and it don't seem so well to me. OK, it's not similar as US system (for example), but the correct term will should be President, instead, to avoid controversy: why don't call Head of Government? 83.213.85.12 at some time or another

Sorry, but I'm only concerned with the most common English language-conventions. El_C 12:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Cool pixes / Just visiting

Those are cool pixes of you, the modern artwork, and the cat. I had a cat that used to lick my face as I was petting it. I used to have at least 10 cats. Martial Law 20:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks! Sorry, I overlooked this. Wow, ten? That's a lot of tuna treats! El_C 20:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Suriname

You just posted a message on my talk page about the Suriname article which I think was aimed at User:Jrbrunger. --Ezeu 03:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry 'bout that. El_C 03:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm the person who posted the link in the Suriname article to the audio interview with a Paramaribo resident. Based on feedback from Ezeu, I better understand why the interview may not be an appropriate link for the Suriname article, but it is certainly an appropriate link for the Paramaribo article, where you also removed the link. The (free and non-commercial) interview is with a Hakka-speaking, Chinese-Suranamese resident of Paramaribo, and it explores the geography, culture, cooking, languages, history and economy of Paramaribo. As such it is a perfect complement to the Paramaribo article for anyone interested in learning more about Paramaribo. I have restored the link, and would ask that you message me if you have a further specific concern. --jrbrunger 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I already removed the link at this point. But I listened to it and I agree, so I'm restoring it. Regards, El_C 08:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --jrbrunger 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Tunisia

If I understand well, it's you who added to the voice Tunisia the following assessment : "It is thought that the name Tunis originated from Berber, meaning either a geographical promontory, or, 'to spend the night.'"

Now, I am interested in the Berber language and I already know the etimon relating Tunis to the root ens "to spend the night", but I never heard of a possible meaning "promontory". Where did you find it? Thanks. Vermondo, Italy - you can answer here. 149.132.125.123

Sure, I'll answer there. I authored that lead (as well as that of Algeria) with the help of Mustafaa who dealt with the etymology. Regards, El_C 20:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

PolysOriginalBuilding

Thanks for uploading Image:PolysOriginalBuilding m.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Misplaced Pages because of copyright law (see Misplaced Pages's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Misplaced Pages are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Misplaced Pages:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. -- Longhair 14:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the notice. As I recall, there was a dispute related to this image which I ended up resolving, but since the Polytechnic University of New York no longer hosts that image, I have no proof to submitt at this time and cannot be bothered. Thanks again. Regards, El_C 20:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

RFAR closed

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Johnski

This request for arbitration is closed. Dominion of Melchizedek and associated articles, shall be semi-protected. If necessary, Johnski (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), or any other editor believed by an administrator to be a sockpuppet or meatpuppet of Johnski, may be blocked indefinitely by any administrator. The article may be unprotected (and reprotected) at the discretion of any admin who deems it safe to do so.

For the Arbitration Committee, --Ryan Delaney 04:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. El_C 04:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

RE: refernceless flames

What has been going on is simple. Where a term has an internationally understood meaning it obviously has an entitlement to have the page of that name, with other localised meanings related to a disambigulation page, eg the French capital at Paris, the Italian capital at Rome, etc. In the case of The Nation there is no one international meaning. Many states have or have had national publications of that name, some of them very famous. No one publication is known widely outside its own region; in fact many are largely unknown outside their own country. The Nation was created as a disambigulation page to deal with all publications. However some US users unilaterally changed that to make the main page devoted to their local publication and shunted all the other publications to another disambigulation page. Then links were made to their publication and they even claimed that their publication as the biggest, even though it is largely unknown outside the US and even relatively unknown in much of the US, was of course entitled to own the main page and more important than the the newspaper of the same name in Pakistan, the paper of the same name in Thailand, the historic UK publication of the same name, the famous nineteenth century Irish newspaper of that name, and large numbers of other publications of that name, all of whom are being added one by one by international users.

All I did was return The Nation to being a link to the disamb page. I sought to move some of the links to that page from US articles directly to the US page. However that is unacceptable to some US users who insist that their original unilateral move must be the way the page is, and their publication is more important and the meaning of the name more people on the planet think of than any other. Try telling that to the tens of millions internationally who think of other publications, or the billions (inclusions hundreds of millions in the US) who have never heard of the US publication. FearÉIREANN\ 21:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I see. I am most familliar with the US publication, which of course means absolutely nothing. El_C 04:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks. :) I am getting tired of telling him this. Seems to do this on every article; inserts something controversial and then revert wars until 3rr is reached. In this case not realizing that Allah = God in Arabic and not "god". --a.n.o.n.y.m 04:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Sure, it just read awkwardly, so it caught my eye. El_C 04:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Hey El C,

Would you please be able to move Amhara ethnicity to Amhara people for me? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 06:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey. Moved as per your request. El_C 06:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again! --Khoikhoi 07:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Nothing like fraternity

o proletari, alla riscossa, bandiera rossa trionfera'!Palmiro | Talk 12:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Unlike them, comrade, we draw our strength from the masses. El_C 13:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Zeevi-Farkash IfD

I said it's from the IDF. What, you/they want it written in blood? Because that could be arranged... El_C 22:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Blocked

I have blocked you indefinitely from Misplaced Pages for hate speech and inciting attacks on other users on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard. If you feel you can refrain from further attacks, contact me or another administrator to be unblocked. --Carnildo 22:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Against whom? I don't recall writing anything there... El_C 22:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

"Block on sight. No quarter." in reference to blocking self-identified pedophiles. --Carnildo 22:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm entitled to that opinion. That you would call it hate speech is highly offensive, and you will have to answer for this insult. El_C 22:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I also favour of blocking Nazis on sight, an opinion I made very clear on the mailing list. El_C 22:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, I retract absolutely nothing as per my anti-pedophilia stance. El_C 22:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Carnildo block

Yes, he might have been violating WP:POINT, but there was no way you should have blocked him. Pelase take a step back and a deep breath. The Land 22:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, The Land, thanks for your thought. That, in fact, was the reason as to my block (so he can take a step back and chill). Regards, El_C 23:02, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

A question on a comment of yours?

I would be interested in seeing whatever citations you have to support this. Thanks. A reply here would be great, and would keep the discussion in context with the above.--Gmaxwell 02:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure you would, yes. A smoking gun would be best. El_C 02:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

If you don't have anything to support your statement you need to retract it. We will not tolerate witch hunts. If it is your intention to begin a McCarthy style campaign of accusing everyone who doesn't support your attacks on some deviant group of being a part of that deviant group themselves you will quickly find yourself with a lasting block. --Gmaxwell 02:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Gmaxwell, I have plenty of support for my stance, I think, though I'm afraid the nuances escape you. Now, if Carnildo decides to censor my right to hold the opinion that pedophiles should be banned, and calling that "hate speech", *and* fails to responds to my querries (above and elsewhere), **and** starts with an indef block, I am safely left to conclude that he is the one engaging in a campaign against myself. Not to place it on an insult per insult basis, but philosphically, it's still a point worth stressing. El_C 02:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and as per your polemicizing and crude parallels, I consider them to be outragoesly preposterous, in both tone & content. El_C 02:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Stop being mealy mouthed. You have accused Carnildo of harming children or, at least, supporting harm to children. This is a serious accusation, and one which is likely to cause people to judge irrationally. You need to justify this claim or retract it. This is a separate, and far more serious, matter from your position on deviants editing Misplaced Pages. --Gmaxwell 03:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm inclined to entrench myself in my position at this time. If he terms my banning of pedophiles position as "hate speech" against pedophiles, I will call his forceful censorship of myself as "inciting hate against children." El_C 03:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Incidentally, I don't know what "mealy mouthed" is. Although, I'm safe to presume it's meant disparagingly. El_C 03:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

(unindent)El C, I wouldn't worry too much about Gmaxwell's comments here, or there for that matter. He has a bit of history over reacting to things he disagrees with . And his characterization of your comments concerning the paedophile who was blocked as McCarthyism, is rather obtuse by any stretch of the term. Perhaps you could somehow get Gmaxwell to actually read the McCarthy article and provide a 5000 to 10 000 word essay on anti-communist crusades of the late 1940's through the 1950's. And then maybe a 15 000 word essay on how this relates to comments you have made within the Misplaced Pages. That should keep him busy, at the very least. Until then, there is some advice here that you might find useful in dealing with this situation. I think if I was dealing with the editor who had the pro-paedophilia user box, I would have tried to get them to remove it by their own volition first. Or simply deleted the user box as disruptive. As far as any subsequent blocks that have occured from this debacle, seeing Jimmy W. act so quickly in de-admining Carnildo (while leaving you..ahem...unmolested) speaks volumes in terms of your own credibility. Just two cents flying your way, bubbie. Regards, Hamster Sandwich 03:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, I greatly appreciate your sentiments. El_C 03:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Is this a pile-on yet?

Because I don't want to miss out if it is. And I've got someone here who's just itching to sink their claws into you. Insert sound of hissing and spitting stage left. - brenneman 03:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

All I know is that I was indef blocked without notice for speaking out against that pedophile userbox. El_C 03:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

And Aaron, I gotta emphasize that all I said was: "Block on sight. No querter." That's all I said throughout the entire conversation. El_C 03:33, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

poetry

Why should poetry not be a slogan?

Why should poetry not be

biased

when life is not at all itself

For life's sake,

I expect a poem to be

a slogan

a dagger

a fist

and a bullet if necessary

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