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We have proposed that is there is a revert for something such as grammar or spelling that you will fix it instead of reverting it. It is much easier that way. If it is reverted and you forget to fix it then he will leave a KIND note on your talk page, which will avoid nasty comments. I see that most of the problems are coming from another user who is going by the name TT. I am going to file an ANI for KnowIG so that TT is not allowed to have contact with KnowIG. Is this proposed plan Okay? It seems that it will resolve the problems. <b><font color="#0000DD">Joe Gazz84</font></b><sup>]</sup>•<sub>]</sub>•<sup>]</sup>•<sub>]</sub> 23:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC) We have proposed that is there is a revert for something such as grammar or spelling that you will fix it instead of reverting it. It is much easier that way. If it is reverted and you forget to fix it then he will leave a KIND note on your talk page, which will avoid nasty comments. I see that most of the problems are coming from another user who is going by the name TT. I am going to file an ANI for KnowIG so that TT is not allowed to have contact with KnowIG. Is this proposed plan Okay? It seems that it will resolve the problems. <b><font color="#0000DD">Joe Gazz84</font></b><sup>]</sup>•<sub>]</sub>•<sup>]</sup>•<sub>]</sub> 23:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's okay. And as far i remember, i haven't reverted any of his edits because of grammar or spelling. <font color="#082567">]</font> <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup> <sub><font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 23:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC) :I think it's okay. And as far i remember, i haven't reverted any of his edits because of grammar or spelling. <font color="#082567">]</font> <sup><font color="#E3A857">]</font></sup> <sub><font color="#008000">]</font></sub> 23:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Please may I draw your attention to on this proposal. <font color="#A20846">╟─]]►]─╢</font> 11:48, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


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New player articles

Thanks for your work creating the new player articles! It will be interesting to see who performs this season. Samasnookerfan (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

It certainly will. I think the most interestin is how Reanne Evans will perform as the sole women among the 95 men. Armbrust Contribs 21:27, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah been a long time since a woman has competed, i'd say she deserves her opportunity for being so dominant in the womens game. Samasnookerfan (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

inre: The Blonde with Bare Breasts AfD

I have been keeping the nominator informed (see User talk:RHaworth#seins nus), and thought I should alert you as well. Since your coment at the AFD, the article has gone through some significant changes, changing the unsourced article that was first nominated, into one that has been expanded, is now encyclopedic, and now definitely sourced. I am happy to be able to report the addition two significant reviews... one from Variety and the other from NRC Handelsblad. Might you advise what else might be done to address your concerns? Thanks, --Schmidt, 05:00, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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Inappropriate AfD closure

Your NAC closure of this AfD as "nomination withdrawn" was inappropriate and in direct violation of WP:NACD. Such a NAC would only have been appropriate if, apart from the initial !vote of the nominator, there were no other substantive delete !votes in the discussion. That was not even close to being the case here. Please revert the closure and relist the item immediately. Nsk92 (talk) 17:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, I have posted a request at WP:AN that your NAC be reviewed by an admin. Nsk92 (talk) 17:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I have reverted your good-faith close as non-admin closure is not suitable for controversial AfD discussions; AfDs should only be closed by non-admins if the full 7 day period has passed and there is uncontroversial consensus, or if the nominator withdrew the nomination and there were no !votes in favour of delete. GiftigerWunsch 17:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD revert

That IP !vote is vandalism from a long term banned IP hopper who is attacking me wherever there is a chance to (my RfA, and talk page were attakced recently).. A range block has been implemented. Cheers, Connormah 19:49, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but you removed somebodys comment with an explanation ("rvv") i didn't understand. Armbrust Contribs 20:07, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Apologies, perhaps I should have explained myself more sufficiently. Cheers. Connormah 20:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

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Power Snooker

Hi Armbrust. A new stub, Power Snooker, has been added. It has ben suggested that this stub be merged to main article Snooker. Editors are invited to go to Talk:Power Snooker and leave their views in the debate.Kudpung (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Hard Justice

There is no consensus to move the article. A consensus must be established in order for the main article to be moved. Also, just 1 week ago the event was called Hard Justice. Not enough time to warrant a common name. A discussion to establish a consensus must occur first, as per policy.--WillC 19:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

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Article of the month – 2010 Toyota/Save Mart 350, new Good Article.

The 2010 Toyota/Save Mart 350 was a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series stock car race held on June 20, 2010 at Infineon Raceway in Sonoma, California. Contested over 110 laps, it was the sixteenth race of the 2010 Sprint Cup Series season and the first of two road course competitions on the schedule. The race was won by Jimmie Johnson, for the Hendrick Motorsports team. Robby Gordon finished second, and Kevin Harvick, who started fourth, clinched third.

Conditions were sunny at the start of the race, making the track potentially slippery. Pole position driver Kasey Kahne maintained his lead into the first corner, but Johnson, who had started in the second position on the grid, took the lead before the first lap was over. Kahne suffered an ill-handling car during the beginning of the race, causing him to fall to seventh by the sixth lap. Seven laps before the finish, race leader Marcos Ambrose, turned his car off to try to save fuel, but he could not refire the engine and subsequently stalled. He dropped back from the lead to sixth place with seven laps remaining, allowing Kahne to finish fourth and Jeff Gordon fifth.

There were eight cautions and twelve lead changes among eight different drivers throughout the course of the race, Johnson's fourth win of the season and his first ever at Infineon. The result moved him up four spots to second in the Drivers' Championship, 140 points behind of leader Kevin Harvick and one ahead of Kyle Busch. Chevrolet maintained its lead in the Manufacturers' Championship, nine points ahead of Toyota and forty-three ahead of Dodge, with twenty races remaining in the season.

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BTV International tournament

Hi do you think the BTV International tournament recently won by Tian Pengfei should be featured on snooker season 2010/2011 article? Details about the tournament can be seen on the 110sport website. Samasnookerfan (talk) 13:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

I will create an article about it in the following week (if somebody doesn't create it before me), and than will add it to the article. Armbrust Contribs 13:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Have created the article under 2010 Beijing International Challenge. Armbrust Contribs 13:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

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Why you writing snooker sites in english wiki but not in hungarian? AND-62 Russia —Preceding undated comment added 22:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC).

Because i don't want to create the structure for snooker in hu.Misplaced Pages which structure already exists on en.Misplaced Pages. Armbrust Contribs 22:19, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
There is no interest to snooker in Hungary? Now in Russia many people interested in this game. And this theme was essentially developed in ru-wiki. Sometimes with your help. Thanks. Sorry for my bad ehglish.AND-62 Russia —Preceding undated comment added 10:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC).
I have not said there is no interest in snooker in Hungary, but those people interested in it don't edit Misplaced Pages. Armbrust Contribs 10:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the birthday wishes

It was a dry birthday.There was nothing much that day. Any way many many thanks. --EvilFlyingMonkey (talk) 05:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

{{Resolved}}

Just FYI: Using {{Resolved}} as you have been (i.e., simply applying it, without elaboration) is a good way to start instead of end or avoid disputes, as it looks like a declaration of "victory" by fiat. It is much more productive to give a neutrally-worded and (when possible and relevant) policy- and/or guideline-based rationale, e.g. {{Resolved|1=] material removed per ] without objection for several months, suggesting ] on the issue.}} or something like that. See what I've done with Talk:Ronnie O'Sullivan/Archive 1 for examples. If you phrase a "Resolved" tag in unequivocal but policy-grounded wording and without invective, it is very unlikely to be challenged. But if you just slap {{Resolved}} on it with no elaboration, it often just irriktates people and suggests to them that you are personally declaring the discussion "over" and in your favour, for personal reasons you won't disclose, and further that you are thus ignoring others' viewpoints. It's best to address why the viewpoints in question aren't applicable, by reference to policies or well-accepted guidelines (especially WP:RS, one of the most frequently transgressed in snooker articles). Hope this helps. :-) — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(ل)ˀ Contribs. 07:21, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

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119.154.53.230

Hi, 119.154.53.230 (talk · contribs) is an IP sock of Gameboy1947 (talk · contribs) who is blocked indefinitly for a combination of misrepresenting sources and major copyright violations. Since being blocked they've tried to continue this behavior using a dynamic IP (normally in the 119.154.x range). As such, I think that it would be best to not accept their revisions. Cheers, Nick-D (talk) 23:12, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Before i have accepted his revisions, i have seen the references. And they were accurate. Armbrust Contribs 23:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

WP::LA,LA,LA-I'MNOTLISTENING RfD

Hi. Have a look here at the second-last RfD. - Richard Cavell (talk) 04:18, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

{{Snooker season 2010/2011}}

Hi I have created a template for the new snooker season see 2010 Shanghai Masters. Samasnookerfan (talk) 19:19, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

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I have requested an ACC acount. Armbrust Contribs 20:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

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Current tennis tournaments

Have you abandoned {{Current tennis tournaments}}? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:51, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

No, not yet. I just took a little leave from other areas besides snooker and AfD, because i felt im burn out. I thinked others would use the template too. Armbrust Contribs 12:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
I will return to update the template after the 2010 US Open. Armbrust Contribs 20:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

2010 World Open

Wow, the draw for the World Open sure is confusing! Samasnookerfan (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. It is totaly random, thus the draw templates can't be used. Armbrust Contribs 21:06, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
I know not sure if I like it, seems to random plus the best of 5s are very short. Could throw up some surprises though! Samasnookerfan (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Discussion invitation

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{{ATP Challenger Tour}}

Hey Armburst,

Thanks for editing the template I created! It looks more civilized now. :D Tamer_of_Hope talk 01:58, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

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Please reconsider

Please reconsider your AfD vote for this article. I have made some improvements and still have more to do as well. At the very least, could you change your vote to Delete, rather than Speedy Delete? Thank you. Silverseren 02:54, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't do that, as i think the information on the article doesn't varrant notability. If you finish the improvements, you can contact me, and i will reconsider. Armbrust Contribs 03:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I am done with my improvements, personally, though there were two other users working in tandem with me. I'm not sure if they are done. Silverseren 03:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Help

I need help with the Tiffany Limos page. Its difficult to add new things. The page is very empty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DylanLove (talk • contribs) 05:36, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Can you please describe your problems with adding content to the article more precisely. Armbrust Contribs 05:44, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Treton Series + tournaments

Hey.....Armburst...

Why did you add in the Tretorn SERIE+ tournaments into the {{ATP Challenger Tour}}? I don't understand. I know you said that you made it bold but honestly you can't see it and knowing that there are two different divisions within a whole of one tournament makes it hard to read. I know that it's part of the ATP Challenger Tour....but they had their own special little box for their own division. :/ Care to explain your reasoning? I just don't understand why to add more and just keep it simple. Tamer_of_Hope talk 20:07, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

As you just said, they are ATP Challenger Tour tournaments too. Without them the template is incomplete. The other solution would be to change the title of the template title to "ATP Challenger Tour Regular tournaments". If you agree with this, i'm willing to modify the template. Armbrust Contribs 20:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
It can stay as it is now, in it's present form. I was just curious as to know why you changed it. Thanks for answering. Tamer_of_Hope talk 20:27, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Frank Fascarelli AFDs

I would like to thank you for striking your delete !vote on these. They were all started by a sock of a banned editor in order to harass Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (see here) so that allowed them all to be speedy kept. There indeed may be valid reasons to delete some of these but it would be better if the nominations were made in good faith, these weren't. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 22:31, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Speedy-tagging for dup AfD noms

Thanks for catching them and helping keep the AfD zoo slightly less crufty! Be careful though...I almost deleted the whole AfD page for August 16 because the {{db-g6}} tag on the individual entries (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/WHATEVER) propagates the into the whole parent pages (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/DATE). You can wrap tags in <noinclude>...</noinclude> to prevent the tag from propagating to the transcluding pages. DMacks (talk) 06:36, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Oops. File:Blush.png Will more careful next time. Armbrust Contribs 11:48, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
Happy editing! DMacks (talk) 15:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks

Hi Armbrust and thanks for the birthday wish. I'll wish when your birthday comes, I think. Well I couldn't understand what you said after the msg! Again, thanks! Regards, --Sainsf<^> (talk) 16:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I mean't the cat in your Edit notice. Armbrust Contribs 18:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Whatever it is, cool! I really have a cat! --Sainsf<^> (talk) 18:04, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Black ball final

There is a discussion that may be of interest regarding the categorisation of this redirect. Regards, wjemather 23:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Colors in {{ATP Challenger Tour}}

I changed this to meet your expectations of less green but with a better color scheme, which you did a good job. I am just doing random off-and-on editing on here for the time being, but if you need anything just post on my talk page and I will usually get to it now in about a week! Nice Day, Bluedogtn!69.137.121.17 (talk) 03:22, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Shaun Murphy (snooker player) edits

While I appreciate most of your changes, I would be grateful if you would not make unnecessary (and sometimes wrong) style changes, such as the space em dash. See WP:EMDASH, which says "Do not space em dashes." There's also the general consensus that styles should not be changed without consensus. Also, the Template:World Snooker will not be used as it is bloated and contains errors. I would be grateful if you would not force through these unnecessary style changes. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Ok, will not space the dashes. But what is your problem with the {{World Snooker}} template? And if there is a problem, than you should change the template, not remove it. It is a consensus on WP:SNOOKER to use the template. Armbrust Contribs 00:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
As an external link, I think it contains too much info, like the copyright dates and such. Most external links don't contain this much stuff and if you were writing it manually, you wouldn't think to include all that stuff. It also italises the website, which shouldn't happen, though I suppose this can be fixed. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
The template is either modified or not, but it will not hinder the GA listing of the aritcle. The Ronnie O'Sullivan article contained it too, at the time of the listing. The unreferenced info is a much more hindrance. Armbrust Contribs 01:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
No big deal I guess. Can you fix the template so it doesn't italise the website? Christopher Connor (talk) 01:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
If you mean "WorldSnooker.com", then i must say, that i can not do it. In the template it is not italised. The template uses the {{Cite web}} template, "WorldSnooker.com" is in the |work= parameter. It looks to me, that this parameter is always italised, but this template is indefinite blocked, and only admins can edit it. Armbrust Contribs 01:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Done. I fixed that now. Christopher Connor (talk) 01:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok, and good job on expanding the article. Armbrust Contribs 03:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

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I'm not sure if you read an earlier comment I left on an AfD, but Wikinews cannot accept Misplaced Pages articles because Wikinews uses the CC-BY 2.5 and AIRES Flight 8250 is too stale according to site policy. —Mikemoral♪♫ 23:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

THX for the info. Have removed it from Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/AIRES Flight 8250 and striked out on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/May 2010 Vanuatu earthquake. Armbrust Contribs 00:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

NASCAR Newsletter August, 2010

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Article of the month – 2010 Food City 500, a recent good article

The 2010 Food City 500 at Bristol Motor Speedway in Bristol, Tennessee was the fifth race of the 2010 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series season. The race began at 1 p.m. EDT on March 21, 2010. The 2010 Food City 500 was televised on Fox and broadcast on PRN radio. This race marked the last appearance of the rear wing on the Car of Tomorrow, with the spoiler returning the following race. This race also was the first of three in Carl Edwards' probation following his altercation with Brad Keselowski at the previous race at Atlanta Motor Speedway; Keselowski was sent airborne, subsequently crashing on his side door. The race had 13 different leaders, 39 lead changes and 10 cautions. The race attendance of 138,000 marked the end of a long streak of sellout seats at the track, which has a capacity of 158,000. The race had been a sellout since 1982.

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Daniela Hantuchová career biography

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Edits on Shaun Murphy (snooker player)

When "resolving" talk page issues, like here, could you sign your name so that others can see who wrote the material? Also, please don't remove citation needed tags from articles without without adding a source, like you did here and here; also here you added a source which did not strictly match the text (there was no mention of is wife in Zimbabwe). Please be a bit more careful in your edits. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

It was not clear for what the {{cn}} was used. I have removed the unverified information ("another surprise winner") too and added a another source for Zimbabwe. Have signed the {{Resolved}} template. Armbrust Contribs 15:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The tag is for any uncited material, not just part of a sentence. In that particular sentence, it's clear the important part was that he was coached by Johnson, not that Johnson was a surprise winner. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Please check that I have not dislodged your changes as a result of the edit conflict. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:11, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Also, please revert the changes to the author fields for the WWW Snooker ref. It is a self-published website and there is no author for any particular page. You have also not consistently applied these changes to the whole article, merely one ref. Why have you removed the bit "knocking the latter out of the top 16"? Seems notable to include as far as I can see. Look, I don't want to discourage you, but every time you make an edit, it seems I have to come along and correct you on some issue or other. Christopher Connor (talk) 16:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
(1) Have removed the author fields. (2) Don't know how is important for Murphy, that Stevens was not in the top 16. Armbrust Contribs 16:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Certainly, it's not one of the critical facts in Murphy's career (and obviously more pertinent in Matthew's bio). However, people may wonder, who was it that knocked Matthew Stevens out of the top 16 when he was there for 8 years and after losing in the world final? Basically he was involved in a match that had a large effect on a major player's career. Christopher Connor (talk) 17:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Can you explain what you've done in the bottom part of this edit? Because you haven't used an edit summary, nobody can see what you've done unless they want to go blind. Christopher Connor (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Added a ]". Armbrust Contribs 01:18, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. Could you also comment on the sortable table in the GA review? It's not nothing I am knowledgeable about. Christopher Connor (talk) 01:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I can't, as i have not made the first. Boddefan2009 added the table to an article first. You should ask him. I have not seen any harm in the sortability of the table. Armbrust Contribs 01:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Am I right in thinking the columns are either all sortable or all non-sortable? If so, that can be helpful for at least some of the columns. Christopher Connor (talk) 01:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
You're right. Every column of a sortable table is sortable. (Altough it only sorst name correct if the {{sortname}} is used) Armbrust Contribs 01:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Just added the template for the names where neccesary. Armbrust Contribs 01:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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Bereck Kofman

Your label for speedy deletion in my opinion is not warranted. I am starting the article. How can you judge its importance. Coming after another intervention of yours, on another article, I find it suspicious. (Highland14 (talk) 00:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC))

If you find it suspicious, than it is in your head. The article does not indicate, how its subject is notable. If you move it in your userspace until you finish and place {{Userspace draft}} on it, than i'm willing to remove the {{db-person}} template from it. Armbrust Contribs 00:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I have no problem with that. Just give the man a chance to do his work, before rushing to conclusions. (Highland14 (talk) 00:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC))
Have moved it to your userspace (to User:Highland14/Bereck Kofman), removed the {{expand}} and {{db-person}} templates, added the {{Userspace draft}} (to avoid MfD on the ground of WP:FAKEARTICLE) and commented out the article namespace categories. Please only move it back after you finish it (i'm watching the page). If you want to create new articles like this (where the first versions don't indicate notability), than do it in your userspace and after you finish, than you can move it in the article namespace. Armbrust Contribs 01:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
No problem. But between you and me, I think you should have first contacted me, before puting the label delete. That's Misplaced Pages's curtesy. (Highland14 (talk) 01:06, 2 September 2010 (UTC))
Ok. Next time will do that first. Happy editing for you and good night for me. Armbrust Contribs 01:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Now, I appreciate. Good night to you. (Highland14 (talk) 01:11, 2 September 2010 (UTC))
Thanks for the cookie. I just finished the article. But I don't know how to put it back as an article. (Highland14 (talk) 02:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC))
Moved it back to articla namespace. Please note, that if you work on a draft in you userspace than it should not be categorised in article namespace categories. I will no renominate it for deletion, although i can't see how he is notable. Armbrust Contribs 09:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I would like to know how you did both: userspace and back to the article, for the futur. One more word about notability. Sarah Kofman was a world famous philosopher, a colleague of Jacques Derrida, himself a world famous philosopher. Sara Kofman wrote about her father, his life. She never accepted what happened to him, and ended taking her own life. In his own rights, before the war, he had a role in the French Jewish community. So, his notability is on two grounds: his own and in relation to who was his daughter and his influence on her. (Highland14 (talk) 14:15, 2 September 2010 (UTC))
On this picture you can see the "move" button. With this articles can be moved. The fact that "Sara Kofman was a world famous philosopher" and "wrote about her father" does not establish the notability of her father. So his only notability would be, that "he had a role in the French Jewish community", which falls under WP:BLP1E. Armbrust Contribs 14:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
What I said is you can't understand Sarah Kofman without the background history of her father and his destiny. There is a direct link. (Highland14 (talk) 20:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC))

If it is so important for the Sarah Kofman article, then this information should been added to the article for example in a "Early life" section. There's no need to create an article for this. Armbrust Contribs 20:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

It's a catch-22. When adding to Sara Kofman, many details of her father's life, you will be told, but that's Sara Kofman's life, not her father. You have to separate them. Here is a chance to have the two entities. (Highland14 (talk) 21:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC))
If you only write one paragraph about his father, then i think it is not a big deal. Naturally only that information should be added, that depicts the influence on her. Armbrust Contribs 22:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Then it's limited information. (Highland14 (talk) 22:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC))
I think we should end it there, as i will not nominate it. Armbrust Contribs 22:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree. (Highland14 (talk) 22:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC))

inre: Mirror Maze AfD

I'm still working on it, but even without a current article, director Guillermo Fernández Groizard is a notable and quite prolific television director in Spain, and this film represents his feature film debut. And AS that debut, it has gained attention and critical response in Spanish press. The article is undergowing a complete transformation and now receiving the attention it merits. So far, what began as this stub with a minor assertion of notability, is now THIS... with proper sourcing (and more coming). I invite you to review the article and offer suggestions for continued improvement. Thanks, Schmidt, 03:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! (from Kubek15)

Thank you very much for the birthday greetings, my Hungarian neighbour ;) I've been to Hungary two years ago, it's such a beautiful place :) Kubek15 17:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

inre: Raghupati Raghava Rajaram AfD

I agree that the article Raghupati Raghava Rajaram should be deleted, specially as it does not have the coverage to merit being one of those rare exceptions to WP:NFF. However, as it is one in a series of recent problems for director Shaji Kailas, I went ahead and added one sourced sentence to Shaji Kailas#2000-Present, mentioning Raghupati Raghava Rajaram in context to his other recent setbacks as a director. Might you agree that after deletion, and as readers might search for the cancelled film by name, that a redirect to the director's section will serve? I also believe a redirect will help prevent an inappropriate recreation of this article. --Schmidt, 22:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Relisting Édmée Schneerson

As reviewing administrator, I thought the nature of the AfD discussion had so far degenerated that, invoking IAR, I thought it advisable to close, blank, and relist at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Édmée Schneerson (2nd nomination). I'm sorry that you'll have to give the argument over again, but see my note at the AfD 2. And please avoid mentioning other matters than the article in question. DGG ( talk ) 05:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring on shortcuts.

A revert of a revert is edit warring. Your addition of "amusing" and unwanted shortcuts to various guideline pages is not appreciated. Please discuss shortcuts before applying them to well known pages. Additional shortcuts to pages that are well known by their existing shortcuts is deeply unhelpful. If folk starting using "RSMED" it would result in confusion. I have asked for a third opinion from an admin User talk:GrahamColm#Shortcuts. Please consider self-reverting your shortcut additions. If you still feel your shortcuts are useful, post a request on the guideline talk pages for other editors to comment on. Regards, Colin° 21:56, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:EW says: "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about some aspect of the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions, rather than try to resolve the disagreement by discussion." Thus a revert of a revert is not edit warring. Even if you think so. Please don't make falce accusations. I have not created this shortcuts. I merely added them to the project pages. If you don't like them, then you can bring them to RfD. Armbrust Contribs 22:18, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
List of the shortcuts you removed:
  1. WP:RSECT was created by Sebwite (talk · contribs) at 19:48, 8 December 2009
  2. WP:RSNB was created by Piotrus (talk · contribs) at 12:14, 10 July 2007
  3. WP:RSMED was created by TimVickers (talk · contribs) at 16:51, 26 April 2010
  4. WP:RSWP was created by Stevertigo (talk · contribs) at 09:49, 9 March 2007 (by the way RSWP originaly was redirected to a section title "reliable sources whenever possible)
  5. WP:RSA was created by Adabow (talk · contribs) at 14:01, 8 July 2010 (was added back by Htonl (talk · contribs))
Armbrust Contribs 22:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Firstly, I apologise for misunderstanding your edits. I didn't realise the shortcuts already existed. However, on thinking about the distinction, I think there is a difference between having a shortcut that enables a mistyped (or mis-remembered) shortcut to redirect to the correct page, and advertising such a shortcut on the guideline itself. It is the latter I'm most concerned about. People know WP:MEDRS by its shortcut. People have not heard of WP:RSMED and would be confused if it got used regularly. There's nothing wrong with the original shortcut so why advertise an alternative?
Wrt edit warring, you are wrong. Let me quote from the section "What edit warring is" in WP:ER: "editors are strongly encouraged to engage in civil discussion to reach a consensus, and not to try to force their own position by combative editing (making edits they know will be opposed) and repeated reverting. It is the latter approach which is known as edit warring" You performed the "repeated revert", for which there is no reasonable excuse. See also the widely respected essay WP:BRD: there is only one R in BRD.
Your original edits were not helped by you joking when making an edit to WP:RS, one of the most widely cited guidelines. This made me assume you were not taking the issue seriously and hence I reverted you without posting anything to your talk page. When you saw those reverts, you should have engaged in discussion rather than just revert me back (edit war).
I shall be reviewing the shortcut redirect pages and taking them to RFD if required. I shall also be posting a request to each of the guideline pages that, regardless of the RFD decision, the extra shortcuts should not be advertised. I would appreciated if you would reconsider your reverts (and revert yourself) and see the merit in not having a multitude of advertised shortcuts, especially on pages that are known only by their shortcuts. I am busy this morning, so won't get round to the RFDs till later.
Regards, Colin° 07:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I will not revert this edits. I think there is no policy, which states that (1) if there is one shortcut, then another one can't be added or (2) how many shortcuts can be placed on a particular project page or section of a project page. If the RfDs close a delete, then the shortcuts can be removed. Armbrust Contribs 11:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Happy Birthday

Thanks! :D Bisbis (talk) 00:21, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much! ;-) – (empoor) 06:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

inre: Paige Moss AfD

I do understand your comment at the AFD was likely based upon THIS sorry stub with no decently sourced assertion of notability, but I ask that you revist the article Paige Moss as it is now being expanded and the BLP properly sourced. Thanks, Schmidt, 23:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks for the speedy response. Schmidt, 23:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

User:Armbrust/My Barnstars for finding secret user pages

Hi, Armbrust. In a July/August 2010 policy discussion (at Misplaced Pages talk:What Misplaced Pages is not/Archive 34#Does WP:NOTMYSPACE apply to secret pages?), community consensus was that the policy Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not prohibits secret pages. At Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User:Smithcool/Secret Pages, community consensus was that a page devoted to hosting secret page barnstars would be deleted. Would you tag the page User:Armbrust/My Barnstars for finding secret user pages for deletion with {{db-userreq}}? Thank you, Cunard (talk) 04:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for tagging this page for deletion. Cunard (talk) 05:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

RfC

You may be interested in this user-conduct RfC, which was largely prompted by the trend of behaviour evident from KnowIG (talk · contribs) persistently reverting you for no apparent reason across various articles (eg. here) – for the record, I do not consider this canvassing as you appear to be very much at the heart of the dispute and the most interested party. Best, ╟─TreasuryTag►cabinet─╢ 08:46, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes he has been reverting you for no reason when you've made good changes (including an edit summary that said "who cares?"). Christopher Connor (talk) 09:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Removing section breaks

Hello, Armbrust. I just wanted to know why you removed these. Having them there certainly makes for easier reading of such a long discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 16:44, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Because it caused that Mathbot (talk · contribs) identifyd the AfD as an open discussion and listed it 4 times on WP:OLD. With the removal, this was fixed and Mathbot removed it from the list. Armbrust Contribs 17:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining. Flyer22 (talk) 17:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

From myself

I'm sorry to see you go from WP:NASCAR, but thanks for all of your wealthy contributions to the project. Hopefully we will see you again in the near future. Sincerely, Nascar1996 19:17, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello again, for the newsletter, do you still want to recieve it? If not you remove your name completely from the list, as the Non-participants section is for those who are not members to recieve it. Nascar1996 23:14, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, to be up to date with the project. I finish college in January 2010, and will mostly contribute to cue sports related articles (mostly snooker, the Mosconi Cup, the World Professional Billiards Championship) and do activities which does not need too many time (WP:BDC, WP:WC and WP:AFD). I will have more time from February 2010. Armbrust Contribs 23:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

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Tweaking

There's no need to remove certain stuff like the template, since that needs to be created; the infobox parameter needs to be made (as it exists like other ones); the redirects look likely to be moved. Etc. Doesn't matter these things don't exist now; they help in their creation. Regards Christopher Connor (talk) 18:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

As long as the template is not created, the parameter is not made and the moves were not made, the edit is right. The articles can be moved, as it was the consensus at WT:SNOOKER, but nobody said he will move the articles. (By the way the template was not removed, it was just commented out.) Armbrust Contribs 19:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
No, I dispute your edits were "right". It's a matter of if these should be made and whether this would encourage their creation. Since I believe both to be true, I think you should revert your changes. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I make the template visible, but don't change the others, as they are not visible. Armbrust Contribs 19:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Doesn't really matter that they're visible or not. Someone could wonder why it doesn't have links to the previous edition for example. And then they could check the box and see, well it's someone's intention to have it made. Or they could see it appear in the edit window and decide to create it. Similar thing for the redirects. Look, all this isn't almost the main thing. The point is why do you feel the need to have to correct these "mistakes"? How for example are they harming the article or project? That should be focus of anybody's activity. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
If this parameter is created (which i think is a good idea) then it should be added to all articles, that use this template. And i think it is better to avoid redirects if possible. Interesting you initiated a discussion about the moves, but don't do it. Why? Armbrust Contribs 19:29, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree it should be added to all articles, of course. That's why I want it created. In the meantime, there's no need to remove it from any articles that are "asking" for it to be created. It would be hard work for one person to move that many articles. And there's only been 3 people in favour (though that's probably enough). Christopher Connor (talk) 19:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
If you created the parameter, then is should be named "prevevent", and there should be an additional "nextevent" parameter. If you create this parameter, than i gladly help to add them to the articles, but as long as they don't exist, they should not be added. I think the articles can be moved, as there was enough time and no objections were raised. Armbrust Contribs 19:45, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I've started the move now, see the project talk page. Not however going to do all on my own. Christopher Connor (talk) 19:47, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Have now added the "previous" and "next" parameters. See Template:Infobox individual snooker tournament. (prevseason was something I copied elsewhere.) Christopher Connor (talk) 20:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed resolution for KnowIG

I talked to the KnowIG and we have decided that the majority of the problems were due to reverting which lead to nasty messages about reverting etc. So:

We have proposed that is there is a revert for something such as grammar or spelling that you will fix it instead of reverting it. It is much easier that way. If it is reverted and you forget to fix it then he will leave a KIND note on your talk page, which will avoid nasty comments. I see that most of the problems are coming from another user who is going by the name TT. I am going to file an ANI for KnowIG so that TT is not allowed to have contact with KnowIG. Is this proposed plan Okay? It seems that it will resolve the problems. Joe Gazz84•talk••Editor Review 23:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it's okay. And as far i remember, i haven't reverted any of his edits because of grammar or spelling. Armbrust Contribs 23:55, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Old

Please don't manually add days to this page, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Old. This page is automatically updated at the right time, while your edits are a day early. I notice that you self-reverted your last such edit, but I also note that you have done the same kind of edits before. Please don't, a it encourages people to close AfD discussions early. Fram (talk) 11:32, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but i think it does not encourage to close of AfD discussions early. As it can be seen there, only 12 out of 77 discussions were open at that time. Armbrust Contribs 11:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
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