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SmackBot clarify tag

SmackBot corrected a clarify tag in Scosta. This is how I incorrectly added the tag - {{Clarify| September 2010}}. But is how SmackBot corrected - {{Clarify| September 2010|date=September 2010}}. btw - What do you think of this link for bork. Slightsmile (talk) 21:11, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes I know, I can't assume that parameter 1 is intended to be a date - especially as leaving it should be harmless. I could, I suppose, only do so if it is the current month year. Nice link. Rich Farmbrough, 21:13, 20 September 2010 (UTC).

Odd. Yesterday and today, when I click on the bork link I made, an error box pops up,

Stop running this script? A script on this page is causing Internet Explorer to run slowly. If it continues to run, your computer might become unresponsive. "Yes" "No".

Should I take this to Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)? Slightsmile (talk) 00:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh I get that a lot on Firefox, at least it tells you what the script is. IE won't even run on my main machine, speaking of borken. Rich Farmbrough, 12:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

IPA dump

Hi Rich,

Back in May you were able to filter the March 12 dump for unformated IPA.(discussion) I've finally gotten through it (actually, 9 articles to go, which I've asked for help with). Would you be able to do that again, with a more recent dump?

Slightly different search:

ɐɑɒɓɔɕɖɗɘɚɛɜɝɞɟɠɡɢɣɤɥɦɧɨɩɪɫɬɭɮɯɰɱɲɳɴɵɶɷɸɹɺɻɼɽɾɿʀʁʂʃʄʅʆʇʈʉʊʋʌʍʎʏʐʑʒʓʔʕʖʗʘʙʚʛʜʝʞʟʠʡʢʣʤʥʦʧʨʩʪʫʬʭʮˈˌːˑʰ˥ʷ˦ʲ˧ʱ˨ˠ˩ˤˀᵊⁿˡʼꜛꜜ

(No schwa this time--too many false hits--and adding some diacritics and tone marks. Is it possible to search for a combining diacritics as well, such as the ones on k̚t̪s̺s̻θ̼s̬n̥ŋ̊a̤a̰ə̆ə̯ə̃z̴ə̋ə́ə̄ə̀ə̏ə̌ə̂t͡ʃβ̞r̝?)

Thanks for your help, if you've got the time. — kwami (talk) 11:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Only if they are combined Maybe. Should we exclude {{Respell}} ? Rich Farmbrough, 12:29, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

No, no reason to exclude Respell or Azeri, as the only overlap should be with schwa, and I'd like to not search for schwa this time. (Same for {{USdict}}.) There may be other stuff in those templates/articles that should be caught. Also, no need to exclude anything per article title or links this time; anything in the article should be templated regardless. (That is, of the exclusion parameters at temp14, only part of the first is relevant: "but not containing {{IPA|{{Audio-IPA|{{ron". (Regular {{Audio should still be searched.)

(edit conflict) Okay, if we can only search for combined diacritics, then most combinations wouldn't be worth bothering with. I'd suggest the following: t̪, d̪, n̪, l̪, e̞, o̞, r̝, ŋ̊, s̺, s̻, l̥, r̥, n̥, m̥, œ̃, ə̯, ə̃, t͡, s͡, d͡, z͡, p̚, t̚, k̚, n̩, z̴, s̴, l̩, r̩, n̩, m̩, β̞.

— kwami (talk) 12:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

• Navajo mythology
• Uxbridge
• Atlantic languages
• Wolof language
• Karihi
• Radiography
• Heliopolis (ancient)
• Ha
• Apep
• Maat
• Istro-Romanian language
• Qin Shi Huang
• Wile E. Coyote and Road Runner
• Omdurman

I seem to be hitting rather a lot of pages... the above are random examples. Rich Farmbrough, 12:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

Thanks. I'll take a look. Also, β should be included, as it isn't the same coding as Greek beta. (I'd modified some of the other parameters above before writing that.)

Yeah, those all look like legitimate hits. Apart from radiography, I see an IPA letter outside of a template in each. — kwami (talk) 12:58, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I saw the change, I'll let this scan finish then re-run. Looking like 2-3000 articles. Rich Farmbrough, 13:17, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

Okay, thanks.

Oh, are you searching for articles that do not have {{IPA etc at all, or are you searching for articles with those characters outside of {{IPA etc. templates? I suspect there are a lot of articles that have the IPA only partially formatted. — kwami (talk) 13:23, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Without IPA. I'm sure you are right, this list should keep you busy for a while though! Rich Farmbrough, 13:24, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

Yes, I suspect it will!

Several hundred articles have Semitic transliterations that use IPA letters without actually being IPA. I should check with the wikiproject--I didn't reformat those last time, and they'll keep coming up unless I do something. Should be able to automate their prefs. — kwami (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Hm, well many of these can be wrapped in {Lang|he}. Rich Farmbrough, 13:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

User:Rich Farmbrough/temp14 is with the more-or-less initial conditions. I'll do a re-run more accurately later on today. Rich Farmbrough, 13:30, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

Looking at your last change to temp14:

"and not containing interwiki links with the above IPA characters in them"

I don't see a reason for avoiding those. Even links would need to be formatted for IE to display them properly.

"but not containing {{IPA|{{Audio|{{ron "

Could you make that specifically {{Audio-IPA}}? AFAIK, other Audio templates shouldn't have IPA in them. — kwami (talk) 13:33, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki language links don't display. And yes to the other point. Rich Farmbrough, 18:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

Not sure you have the right β there? it's picking up thousands of additional articles. Rich Farmbrough, 19:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

OK  Done without the Beta. Rich Farmbrough, 21:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

Thanks!

You're right. I thought there were separate Latin & Greek betas, but there aren't. Next run maybe we can add β̞ to the list.

What was the date of that dump? — kwami (talk) 22:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

4 September. Rich Farmbrough, 22:52, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

Thanks. 2600 hits, of which a huge number are Semitic or use the ejective diacritic in place of an apostrophe. I've asked at one of the wikiprojects what to do about those. — kwami (talk) 00:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you not capitalize citation template in the future?

Like you did here (and presumably elsewhere). They are standardized to lowercase all across Misplaced Pages. Thanks. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 22:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, the {{Cite looks out of place when compared to the standard. Also, you probably shouldn't change the ==spacing around headings== either (see MoS:HEAD#Section headings). All of these little changes make it harder to read the diff. –xeno 22:25, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

And can't you just please use a bot-flaged account for those edits so that they don't always fill up my watchlist? I'm normally all for consistency and cleanup tasks, and fine with bots making edits like this as long as I don't see them in my watchlist and they are clearly marked as a bot-made edits in the history (although I find it odd that you seem to be pushing your personal capitalization preference, I've yet to see consensus for any of this). You're obviously letting it run in auto-mode anyway, and have bot accounts. Use them. Amalthea 09:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No comment at all? Amalthea 14:08, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I've moved stuff across to botland. Rich Farmbrough, 14:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

Thanks. Amalthea 13:39, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Again, could you stop capitalizing those templates? It's really annoying. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 10:00, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I'll make some changes. Rich Farmbrough, 10:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Building a new ruleset now. Rich Farmbrough, 11:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Built manual ruleset to exclude canonical template names for cite templates when creating canonicalization rules, unfortunately reckoned without {{Cite_Web}} etc. Rich Farmbrough, 11:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Also a bug in the build process. Rich Farmbrough, 11:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

← You're still doing it as far as I can tell? Please stop capitalizing template names - if the editors who put it there made a human decision to use small case, you should not use an automated process to change it absent consensus to do so. –xeno 13:58, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

See build (manual) 550, I'm in the middle of some manual runs on stuff like "3 january 3" and I'm not going to retype all the specialist rules. Rich Farmbrough, 14:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

If you're doing a run focused on stuff like "3 January 3" (which is noble, useful and helpful), could I ask why are any there capitalisation shuffling rules enabled? The last time I had cause to stop the bot, you investigated and after approximately three hours traced the issue down to an unexpected interaction between rule-sets. If you're not (intentionally) using a rule at any one moment, please do not have it enabled. In this case, please do not have capitalisation adjusting rules enabled, unless you are exclusively on a capitalisation adjusting run—and doing the latter on the basis of a previously agreed and documented project-wide mandate. —Sladen (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

It's the pull of opposites. Minimising the number of edits vs. making them clear. It's crazy to fix a date, fix a DEFAULTSORT, date a tag via three seperate edits when it can all be done in one. Moreover really minor but worthwhile changes (like moving a ref after punctuation, or replacing "Web reference" with "Cite web") are generally not considered "worth" even a bot minor edit, but are good rolled into other stuff. Rich Farmbrough, 15:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Yes, these are all (date formatting, DEFAULTSORT, dated cite) noble, clear-cut and good. Capitialisation adjustments are not clear-cut and—looking further up this conversation—are not universally considered good. Please disable capitalisation adjustments unless there is a project-wide concensus for them (which at the moment, does not appear to be the case). —Sladen (talk) 19:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Set up stub using AWB

About your recent edits, just so you know, large scale semi-automated page creations must be approved by BAG at WP:BRFA, please see Misplaced Pages:BOTPOL#Mass_article_creation. Cheers, - Kingpin (talk) 23:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes it's not exactly large scale, though - 1966 to 2005 is 30 pages for the technology award (I already fully manually created 2006+). Rich Farmbrough, 23:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

One way to go about this would be to create them in your userspace and move them to mainspace after you've massaged them. –xeno 23:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I was rather hoping that others would chip in and do some pages. Rich Farmbrough, 00:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC).

You... you were expecting people to work together, at Misplaced Pages?? *wink* Okay, that sounds fine, I just wasn't sure if you were going to continue doing a lot more or not :). Best, - Kingpin (talk) 10:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

AWB or SmackBot bug?

Line 243. It's also weird that between two edits of SmackBot there wasn't any other edit and a "the" was removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:32, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, its a RF bug really. The revisit is due to recalcitrant category, the edit is due to a bug I introduced and removed. Fixed, reviewing other edits (maybe a dozen) at risk. Rich Farmbrough, 23:42, 21 September 2010 (UTC).

Main vs. Catmore

OK, the replacing "catmain" with "catmore" was probably not necessary. But "Catmore" is the preferred template for use in the category namespace, while "main" is the preferred template for article and project namespace, so I stand by those edits. I had requested a bot task for this a few months ago, but at the time there were no bots available for the task. --Eastlaw  ⁄ _contribs 03:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

SmackBot vs Reflinks

I've noticed that Reflinks converts {{Cite web}} to {{cite web}} while SmackBot converts {{cite web}} to {{Cite web}}, which seems rather silly. Is it possible to get these two to agree on one case? --AussieLegend (talk) 07:18, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes I left a message for Dispenser, and am waiting to hear. Rich Farmbrough, 07:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC).

Perhaps you might like to involve the rest of the community as well, who by-and-large do not capitalize {{cite}} templates? –xeno 13:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

FYI: Misplaced Pages talk:Citation templates#Template caps: "Cite" or "cite"?. –xeno 18:30, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Unreferenced

Hello Rich, I've undone your edits to Template:Unreferenced because they were causing huge red letters to appear on articles that Template:Unreferenced was transcluded on. Regards, Airplaneman ✈ 03:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I think that was just a caching effect, form the earlier edit. See ]. Rich Farmbrough, 03:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

Oh, OK. Works now! :) Thanks, Airplaneman ✈ 20:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

June Card

You were so kind to clean up June Card, thank you. But please explain, for me to learn, why you changed the order of references from oper/papageno to papageno/oper? Please reply here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:52, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

The papegeno reference has the same name as reference 1, so it gets moved first. In fact they are the same reference in slightly different format - I have merged the two, which should make it clearer. Rich Farmbrough, 06:08, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

Understood. It feels a bit funny because operissimo was the first source for the article, all others added later, papageno much later, but is ok. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Header spacing

When doing your cleanup you remove spacing from section headers. Why do you do that? ΔT 21:27, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a lot of unbalanced headers so I regularise them all. Unspaced is preferred 5:1. Rich Farmbrough, 22:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

"dabpages"

Hi, I happened to click on http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Rich_Farmbrough/dabpages while I was looking what else links to an article which changed name. It appears clicking on that slowed my browser down that much that I believed it was completely hung. What is that list for? Any way to make it more invisible? Just imagine, people still use metered connections in some cases. Richiez (talk) 22:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

There was a special page "Lonelypages" and it was full of dab pages. It could only lists 1000. So I hoped this allowed fresh pages on that were real orphans. However the lonleypages functionality is now disabled, so I have deleted 'dabpages'. Rich Farmbrough, 22:20, 23 September 2010 (UTC). (P.S. try editing "List of wind turbines in Denmark ‎" - 469 k... ) Rich Farmbrough, 22:20, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

Nice reading the "wind turbines", trying edit was not that bad. Is there some bot that would flag if some page gets terribly long? I would imagine bots might occassionaly create such pages.Richiez (talk) 23:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

It's the actual save that causes problems - yes long pages are are flagged under "special pages"->"long pages" - but limited to article space. There are bots that create huge multi-page reports, most of which no one looks at - but some of them are used so they continue. Rich Farmbrough, 01:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC).

Smackbot and {{Flag icon}}

{{Flag icon}} is a redirect to {{Flagicon}}, but SmackBot (talk · contribs) changes it. Why? Armbrust _Contribs 11:48, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Readability. Rich Farmbrough, 11:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC).

Why not move the template? PC78 (talk) 17:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Please do not. I will instantly revert any move that is not supported by consensus at WP:Requested moves. {{flagicon}} is a very well-known and widely used template, just like {{reflist}}, {{nowrap}}, etc. so it is utterly pointless to make these edits and claim "readability" is improved. Rich, there is no consensus for these edits, so I'll ask again that you please stop. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 17:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

SmackBot: Header modifications

Hi. In this edit by Smack, it removes the spacing between the equal signs and the header text. Whereas, the default format is with spaces (use the auto add header link to see for yourself). So just thought if it would be better to, I don't know, maybe recode the bot to not do that? ;) Thanks! Rehman 12:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a lot of unbalanced headers so I regularise them all. Unspaced is preferred 5:1, despite the software. Rich Farmbrough, 22:23, 23 September 2010 (UTC).

121.54.29.98

121.54.29.98, who you blocked for 3 hours, is at it again, adding redundant cleanup tags with dates from 2-3 years ago, interwiki links to nonexistent articles, and linked dates inside {{Persondata}}. I got BOLD and blocked him for 31 hours instead of going through the motions at ANI, but if you think it would be more appropriate I can open up a thread there just to get consensus. rʨanaɢ (talk) 16:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

That's the right next step. It's almost like 121 is a training AI, replicating the types of additions to articles that are most often not reverted. Rich Farmbrough, 19:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

I went ahead and blocked the IP for a year, it seems like there's nothing good to come out of leaving it unblocked. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

(BTW, I did leave a note at ANI yesterday, see WP:ANI#IP adding broken interwikis, but no one ever responded. I guess there was more interesting drama elsewhere... rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC))

HIIII

Originaly sourced and properly cited'Rahstrapati Award' a category of national awards before 1968 box info was deleted - Citation requested to support the editor named Shshshsh 24 hrs ago claim support needed. Please protect National Film Award article by vandalism list of national awards among 'Rashtrapati Award 'deleted in the last 24 hrs by that editor please try to undo the edit if he again commits to vandalism. support needed from you thank you. please protect if Shshshsh deletes the National award list again.Report him to the administrator full support requested, your originally edited National award article was completely deleted through vandalism by the user 'Shshshsh ' support requested to (Prabhu6 (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabhu6 (talk • contribs)

Y Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 07:07, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox Candidate

Template:Infobox Candidate has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Magioladitis (talk) 12:17, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for all your proofreading and copy editing that makes Misplaced Pages a higher-quality encyclopedia! -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

You are most welcome. Rich Farmbrough, 13:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

SmackBot general fixes – IMDb

You may want to adjust SmackBot's "general fixes" regarding the rewrite of links to the family of IMDb templates; they are currently all spelled "IMDb …". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 15:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes I saw the move, as a result of the rule generation. It's not one I agree with but it's not a big deal, will add support presently. Rich Farmbrough, 19:11, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

Expansion of lifetime can lead to duplicate categories, DEFAULTSORT

E.g. here the expansion of {{lifetime}} can lead to duplicate categories and DEFAULTSORT. Would you add logic for this (could invoke MetaDataSorter after such an expansion to clean up). Rjwilmsi 16:46, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

This shouldn't happen much, if at all (that was 2009), as 1. lifetime is now very rare, 2. SB invocations start with GF's after F&R, and only gradually do I manually change them to "before" to deal with intransigent items. If I could invoke General Fixes both before and after search and replace... Incidentally the duplicates are there anyway, just not visible. This is one of the reasons for expansion of the template. Rich Farmbrough, 19:16, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

Burma

Hi Rich. Can you do a similar run for Burma like you did with Chinese counties cleaning the infoboxes. Basically the infoboxes of the towns and Townships of Burma need stripping like this. They are far too bloated and empty. ALso many of them contain "religion=Buddhism and an empty government parameter which should be removed as in the Tuimu example and replaced with the time zone given. Also the division names need linking properly. If you see Tuimu now you'll see what I mean. Can you go through the town by division/state Category:Populated places in Burma and clean them and the Townships of Burma. Note that some of them are called states not divisions so in the infobox you just need to change Division to "State". Please though can you at least keep the very basic paramters like image skyline, pushpin map option, area, population and altitude. You can remove flag/shield option too as obtaining those are unlikely.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Any response?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:24, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

State/division - just pick that form the article name? Rich Farmbrough, 21:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

Incidentally I sorted the categories out, thy were a bit of a mess, sub-catting various "people in foo" cats, etc. ~~

Smackbot question

When Smackbot is adding categories such as Category:Living people or birth and death year categories to an article that's tagged as being uncategorized, would it be possible to also have it switch the tag from {{uncategorized}} to {{morecat}}? Not a big deal if not, but I thought it worth asking anyway, because I've come across a few articles today where that would have been helpful. Bearcat (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it would be a useful AWB function - AWB is very conservative about uncat, though, assuming that any unrecognised template might hide a category - which mostly they don't or shouldn't. Comics especially has a wonderful categorising mechanism, but of course the cats aren't in the page source and don't work with intersections etc. This sort of project specific cleverness is a real problem sometimes. Rich Farmbrough, 23:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

SmackBot uncategorized

In this edit SmackBot incorrectly tagged an article as uncategorized — there is a comment at the bottom of the article clearly state that the appropriate categories are present at redirects rather than at the article itself, but the comment is obviously human-readable only. Is there a way to automatically inform bots such as SmackBot that the categorization of articles such as this one is not problematic, to prevent it from coming around and making the same bad edit again? —David Eppstein (talk) 06:19, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Well not a good way! Let me look closer. Rich Farmbrough, 06:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Y Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 07:41, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

SmackBot

Hi Rich I added references to an article I am working on titled "Youssef Elsisi", could you please let me know if it satisfies the notability and/or references for wiki. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Regards.

Y Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 14:33, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Thanks

		The Redirect Barnstar
		Despite our disagreements on other sundry matters, I would like to extend my sincere thanks and gratitude for generating the AWB rules for the list of WikiProject banner redirects used in my WikiProject shelling task. –xeno 14:33, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. Speaking of Xenbobots, did the Chicagoland problems resolve themselves? Rich Farmbrough, 14:36, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Hmm, you'll have to jog my memory? I am working without the assistance of a beverage made by straining hot water through ground beans. –xeno 14:40, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I too have an empty earthenware container at my elbow. It's one of Xenobot IV(?)'s project labelling tasks. WikiProject Chicago. However many of the pages once labelled were disputed and now have various "nobots" templates on their talk pages. I know you suggest this as one solution on your bot's talk page, but it has two flaws: firstly it doesn't solve the underlying problem, whether it is mis-categorisation, or poor project definition (assuming the banner doesn't belong), secondly if a project wants to include pages with little or no apparent connection to the subject of the project, it's not really for the pages "owners" to say them nay. Anyway the reason I ask is that I periodically try to clean up bots/nobots, and have managed to remove a couple of hundred plus (not least from the templates with red-links pages which were all denying AWB for no real reason - although that got me into updating the pages, which are quite owned at the moment). Rich Farmbrough, 14:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC).

Ah yes. It's a bit of a dispute over how wide a metropolitan area spans. One user feels that CHI is casting their net too wide, but on the other hand (as you note), projects are generally free to set their scope as wide as they wish. I didn't really feel like getting in the middle of it, to be honest, so I was fine with them denying Xenobot on a case-by-case basis. –xeno 15:32, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

cite vs Cite

At Carbon dioxide, you used AWB to change multiple occurrences of "cite web" to "Cite web". Why? The cite web template explicitly uses the lower case version. Q Science (talk) 15:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Flagicon

Hi,

I just wondered why you interchanges {{flagicon}} with its redirect {{Flag icon}}, like you did here and here amongst many? Anyway, I thought that general Misplaced Pages consensus is you don't make an edit to a page just to update the template name, according to WP:R? lil2mas (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

• Yes you are quite right (by and large) you don't make an edit to a page just to update the template name, in the first edit I replaced mark-up with a template ( Edit summary - replace markup with template and general fixes.) in this case <br clear="all"> with {{Clear}}, added a DEFAULTSORT and a couple of other minor changes, in the second (Datefixes and general fixes) replaced "22 April 22" with "22 April", and {{bda}} with {{Birth date and age}}. And there also lies the nub (or the rub, or the rub of the nub) - "bda", <br clear="all">, "flagicon" and "commonscat" (common scat?) are less readable than "Birth date and age", "Clear" "Flag icon" and "Commons category". And what is more they are less memorable, don't conform to simple rules to help users predict and remember the names of templates (whole words, normal capitalisation, no extra underscores, hyphens, Infobox foo, not Foo infobox etc.). And while none of these things is insurmountable, a simple interface encourages new users - I do remember when the only mark-up I knew was == - and a few minutes earlier not even that. There is a steep learning curve with Misplaced Pages, and we need to make it as shallow as possible. Rich Farmbrough, 03:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC).

Help with the A&R representatives editing their clients' articles

Twice in this month, I've found some funky wtiting, and look to the talk page of the article, only to discover that the Kaki King article was being edited by one of her record label executives, using a copyrighted photo which had been hanging in King's MySpace ..."with King's permission".  ?!! Today, the Easy Star All-Stars page had an album inserted into their article. A photo of former members from that band that I uploaded a year ago to Wikimedia Commons came under scrutiny by a new user at Commons, who asked to delete the image "because the people in the photo were no longer in the band". (I should have guessed this was the problem).. my response was to ask whether I should delete photographs of Mick Taylor since he no longer plays with The Rolling Stones! I was incredulous that anyone would ask to delete a photo that could be used in discussing the history of the band from Commons!! Today, I read on the talk page that the primary editor of what is a redundant article- with the text merely repeating the lead-- identifies themself as a new editor but never registered in the usual manner so it's not possible to leave a template on their talk page if they haven't got one! What to do with these people??!!--Leahtwosaints (talk) 01:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)