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Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative
- ... that information on the Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative list leaked by WikiLeaks was stated by some companies on the list to be "out of date and full of errors"?
Created by Wnt (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 02:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Wnt and I have worked really hard on expanding and referencing this article over the past few days and we're proud to bring it here now. Silverseren 02:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. As an administrator monitoring this article, I would point out that there continue to be active disputes about the sourcing of this article, which disputes have overflowed to multiple dispute noticeboards. Many of the disputes involve sourcing, and the article continues to contain a great deal of information that is either unsourced, or from questionable sources. Considering the active nature of the disputes, I do not think it would be wise for this article to be a DYK candidate at this time. --Elonka 04:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: I ask the reviewing DYK user to look over the article and determine themselves whether there is "unsourced information". The only information that is currently unsourced is from the factual list from the primary source (the factual list is also supported, however, by two secondary sources at the beginning line of the list, so it doesn't really matter). User:Elonka has been actively pursuing the removal of the primary source in the article (please see here), however, the primary source has nothing to do with the "unsourced sections" or whatever "questionable sources" that Elonka is referring to. And please note that all of the overflowing disputes, save the original one at ANI that isn't active anymore, since there haven't been any new responses for an entire day (see here), have been initiated by User:Elonka. Furthermore, the discussion at AN is currently about the use of links to classified documents on Misplaced Pages. An RfC will likely be drafted soon, but that has little to do with this article. If you would like the primary source to be removed from the article for the period that this DYK nomination is up, I am okay with that as well. Silverseren 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. The use of "as an administrator" is very unadministrator-like, since there is no current consensus for your opinion on classified document links, so please don't try and push your rank at DYK. You should be asking things as a user here. Silverseren 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Another user has made a fairly good summation in terms of User:Elonka's above comment. You can find that user's summation on Elonka's talk page, here. Silverseren 05:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, Elonka needs a {{trout}} for using that as ammunition for their POV; terrible behaviour. Most of the source arguments are just wiki-lawyering at this stage I think. The others have done extensive work sourcing the article. --Errant 09:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- The comment that "all of the overlowing disputes ... have been initiated by User:Elonka" is not accurate. For a complete list of where the sourcing issues are being discussed, see Misplaced Pages:AN#On linking to classified documents. --Elonka 14:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, Elonka needs a {{trout}} for using that as ammunition for their POV; terrible behaviour. Most of the source arguments are just wiki-lawyering at this stage I think. The others have done extensive work sourcing the article. --Errant 09:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Another user has made a fairly good summation in terms of User:Elonka's above comment. You can find that user's summation on Elonka's talk page, here. Silverseren 05:36, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. The use of "as an administrator" is very unadministrator-like, since there is no current consensus for your opinion on classified document links, so please don't try and push your rank at DYK. You should be asking things as a user here. Silverseren 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: I ask the reviewing DYK user to look over the article and determine themselves whether there is "unsourced information". The only information that is currently unsourced is from the factual list from the primary source (the factual list is also supported, however, by two secondary sources at the beginning line of the list, so it doesn't really matter). User:Elonka has been actively pursuing the removal of the primary source in the article (please see here), however, the primary source has nothing to do with the "unsourced sections" or whatever "questionable sources" that Elonka is referring to. And please note that all of the overflowing disputes, save the original one at ANI that isn't active anymore, since there haven't been any new responses for an entire day (see here), have been initiated by User:Elonka. Furthermore, the discussion at AN is currently about the use of links to classified documents on Misplaced Pages. An RfC will likely be drafted soon, but that has little to do with this article. If you would like the primary source to be removed from the article for the period that this DYK nomination is up, I am okay with that as well. Silverseren 05:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment I wish to assure people that there is no unsourced information in the article. Some people believe that the full text of the "2008 Critical Foreign Dependencies Initiative (CFDI) list", a document prepared by the Department of Homeland Security in collaboration with other federal agencies, should be counted as a primary source. It is still a source. We cite it via original Wikileaked cable to the Secretary of State which included it, a Business Insider article which reprinted it in full (and two others more obscure), and a host of sources that Silverseren collected which list the items in one country or province. However, I disagree with Silverseren about any compromise involving removing the primary source while the DYK is up - it is the most definitive source. We should not make a new article worse while exposing it to new editors, nor accede to calls for censorship with no basis in law nor policy nor current practice. Wnt (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Wnt, this has nothing to do with censorship, it has to do with proper sourcing, and creating an article which reflects positively on the project. There have been strong concerns expressed by multiple editors about the sourcing on the article, as well as about the large amounts of "laundry list" information. Rather than continuing to argue that you are right and any dissenters are wrong, better would be to listen to the concerns, and modify the article accordingly in an attempt to find a compromise. --Elonka 16:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- I've gone back and forth with you in several forums about whether a primary source is a source. I think WP:Primary is clear enough. Many articles like U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations use a list based entirely on one single primary source, without demands that each and every organization on the list has to be cited to a newspaper. WP:Notability is applied to articles, not to each and every item on a list. Even so Silver seren heroically dug up reams of secondary sources -- and then the argument becomes that because a secondary source quotes a primary source the information is still primary anyway, which means it's not a source! Just not true. Wnt (talk) 18:09, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- To be clear, I am not an editor of this article, and am simply trying to ensure that the article stays in accordance with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. Right now the article is attempting to reproduce, pretty much verbatim, a section from a leaked classified document. Concerns have been raised by other editors both as to whether it is appropriate to use that document as a source, and whether it is appropriate to include all of the information from that document on Misplaced Pages, especially considering that the classified document is the only source for some sections, and that those sections did not receive any coverage in reliable secondary sources. Discussions are ongoing at the talkpage, and a new Centralized RfC was just opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Use of classified documents. Because the sourcing of the article is in dispute, and because there are questions of legality of using the classified document, I think it would be extremely unwise to banner this article on the mainpage of Misplaced Pages in the DYK section until after the disputes are resolved. --Elonka 17:59, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note that the most recent consideration of this issue at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Use of classified documents appears to be strongly supporting the legitimacy of the Wikileaks source, like many such discussions before it. Wnt (talk) 18:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Considering that the RfC was just launched a few hours ago, it's a bit premature to say that it's supporting one thing or another. I am also very concerned by this demeanor that you are using this article, and Misplaced Pages, to make some kind of political point. Misplaced Pages is not a battleground, and DYK should not be used to promote controversial views. --Elonka 21:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- That's a response to a different sort of conversation on my talk page, and expresses my hopes for publication of the article. I did not impose that point of view into the article. I believe every editor has a personal point of view, and should not feel afraid to admit it. Wnt (talk) 04:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
- Elonka, it's obvious to uninvolved bystanders that you are on a crusade to stop or limit the use of the Wikileak documents, and to limit their visibility in cases where you have failed to stop their use. Avoiding editing of the article does not make you uninvolved. The RfC so far strongly endorses use of the documents. You may act in what you feel is best for the encyclopaedia, but either your definition of "best" is not shared by the community, or we disagree on the impact of using these documents. Please stop spreading this discussion beyond the 25 fora it already is in, and in particular, please stop waving your adminship around like a magic wand in a content dispute. Admins have no special privileges with respect to content discussions. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps the best approach here will be to wait and see how the RFC turns out, as we do for AFDs. Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- LOL does Elonka work for the CIA?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:21, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
FWIW, I've verified the hook and think the article is good to go. It looks as if the RfC is pretty clearly going to decide using classified docs is ok and unless I'm mistaken, the article doesn't even directly reference any material from WL. Does anyone have any specific objections to this being promoted? SmartSE (talk) 17:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Anything that's got coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources is of course fine, but the unsourced elements should be removed, and there have been requests on the talkpage that some of the list parts would be better presented as prose. --Elonka 07:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Which parts are unsourced? The list is referenced off the Business Insider AFAICT and then has extra references for a lot of it as well. Maybe prose would be better, feel free to fix it, but this isn't GAN or FAC and it clearly meets all of our selection criteria. SmartSE (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Business Insider is a blog, and not a particularly solid source. As for fixing the article, editors have tried to remove unsourced and poorly sourced information, and they just get reverted. Warnings have been issued to the editors who were re-inserting unsourced information, but it's clear that the article is not yet in a stable state. Regarding the RfC, participation in it has been limited so far, with substantial participation by editors who are involved in the Wikileaks disputes, so I don't believe it would be wise to say that it yet reflects a broad community consensus. For example, look at this discussion at WP:ELN, where the general consensus among uninvolved editors seemed to be that the links to Wikileaks documents should be removed. As for why the RfC is so far saying something different than WP:ELN, I am guessing that this is because there are more involved than uninvolved editors participating, perhaps because many established editors are away for the holidays, so haven't had time to participate at the RfC yet. Ultimately, as regards the DYK question, there is no deadline, so I am in agreement with Gatoclass that the wisest course of action here might be to simply wait for the RfC to run its course. --Elonka 19:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Wasn't there a discussion at RSN which said that BI was ok to use though? You're saying there is unsourced material, but aren't pointing out what it is... can you please state what is unsourced so that something can be done? Your claim that it is unstable is false, there have been 7 edits to the article in the last week and regardless, rightly or wrongly, stability isn't a criterion for DYK. Regarding the ELN and the RFC - as I thought I made clear before, they are irrelevant to this article, as it does not contain any links to cables, only secondary sources which discuss them. WP:DEADLINE is about completing the project, when it comes to DYKs there is indeed a deadline, otherwise it wouldn't be right to say "From Misplaced Pages's newest articles:" (there are notable exceptions, but this doesn't seem to be a case to apply one to me). SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- The discussion at RSN about Business Insider was mostly between involved editors, and there weren't sufficient uninvolved voices to really point to a consensus either way. My own opinion that it is a blog comes from the fact that, as can be seen at the Business Insider article, it has won "best blog" awards. As for the unsourced elements, these are in the list section of the CFDI article: elements which have no sources, and there are even comments at the talkpage stating that secondary sources could not be located for those sections. If the unsourced and poorly sourced (meaning to challenged primary sources or dubious sources such as blogs) sections are removed, I think that would help to address concerns. --Elonka 06:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- A "blog" is not inherently unreliable and there are criteria for determining reliability. The Business Insider is apparently notable, professionally operated and edited, and is quoted by other reliable news sources (such as The New York Times) leading me to believe that it's a sufficiently reliable source. This is not the place to dispute an RSN consensus just because you don't like it. - Dravecky (talk) 09:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's not as if it some random person's blog. We need to also consider whether it is an RS for what it is referencing anyway, rather than whether the whole site is an RS or not. When I do so, it is clearly an RS since it is copying a primary source, which officials have indirectly confirmed is real. As I'm now trying to explain for the third time, the whole list is referenced to BI (ref 21) and then there are extra references for many of them as well. It could be argued that the article is in fact a linkfarm since we could get away with most of them and only reference BI for the whole of the list. Removing sections like that about Japan would create a bias towards coverage in western media which is clearly not appropriate. As I still can't find any problems with the article and because the RfC is irrelevant to this article at present, I am boldly approving the article. SmartSE (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Considering that you yourself are an involved editor in the Wikileaks topic area, Smartse, I do not think that you should really be the one making that decision. There are many agenda-driven editors in this topic area right now, there is an ongoing RfC, and edit wars at multiple articles. It is not appropriate for you to force one of the disputed articles onto the Misplaced Pages mainpage, over objections by other editors. --Elonka 18:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's not as if it some random person's blog. We need to also consider whether it is an RS for what it is referencing anyway, rather than whether the whole site is an RS or not. When I do so, it is clearly an RS since it is copying a primary source, which officials have indirectly confirmed is real. As I'm now trying to explain for the third time, the whole list is referenced to BI (ref 21) and then there are extra references for many of them as well. It could be argued that the article is in fact a linkfarm since we could get away with most of them and only reference BI for the whole of the list. Removing sections like that about Japan would create a bias towards coverage in western media which is clearly not appropriate. As I still can't find any problems with the article and because the RfC is irrelevant to this article at present, I am boldly approving the article. SmartSE (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- A "blog" is not inherently unreliable and there are criteria for determining reliability. The Business Insider is apparently notable, professionally operated and edited, and is quoted by other reliable news sources (such as The New York Times) leading me to believe that it's a sufficiently reliable source. This is not the place to dispute an RSN consensus just because you don't like it. - Dravecky (talk) 09:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- The discussion at RSN about Business Insider was mostly between involved editors, and there weren't sufficient uninvolved voices to really point to a consensus either way. My own opinion that it is a blog comes from the fact that, as can be seen at the Business Insider article, it has won "best blog" awards. As for the unsourced elements, these are in the list section of the CFDI article: elements which have no sources, and there are even comments at the talkpage stating that secondary sources could not be located for those sections. If the unsourced and poorly sourced (meaning to challenged primary sources or dubious sources such as blogs) sections are removed, I think that would help to address concerns. --Elonka 06:06, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Wasn't there a discussion at RSN which said that BI was ok to use though? You're saying there is unsourced material, but aren't pointing out what it is... can you please state what is unsourced so that something can be done? Your claim that it is unstable is false, there have been 7 edits to the article in the last week and regardless, rightly or wrongly, stability isn't a criterion for DYK. Regarding the ELN and the RFC - as I thought I made clear before, they are irrelevant to this article, as it does not contain any links to cables, only secondary sources which discuss them. WP:DEADLINE is about completing the project, when it comes to DYKs there is indeed a deadline, otherwise it wouldn't be right to say "From Misplaced Pages's newest articles:" (there are notable exceptions, but this doesn't seem to be a case to apply one to me). SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Business Insider is a blog, and not a particularly solid source. As for fixing the article, editors have tried to remove unsourced and poorly sourced information, and they just get reverted. Warnings have been issued to the editors who were re-inserting unsourced information, but it's clear that the article is not yet in a stable state. Regarding the RfC, participation in it has been limited so far, with substantial participation by editors who are involved in the Wikileaks disputes, so I don't believe it would be wise to say that it yet reflects a broad community consensus. For example, look at this discussion at WP:ELN, where the general consensus among uninvolved editors seemed to be that the links to Wikileaks documents should be removed. As for why the RfC is so far saying something different than WP:ELN, I am guessing that this is because there are more involved than uninvolved editors participating, perhaps because many established editors are away for the holidays, so haven't had time to participate at the RfC yet. Ultimately, as regards the DYK question, there is no deadline, so I am in agreement with Gatoclass that the wisest course of action here might be to simply wait for the RfC to run its course. --Elonka 19:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Which parts are unsourced? The list is referenced off the Business Insider AFAICT and then has extra references for a lot of it as well. Maybe prose would be better, feel free to fix it, but this isn't GAN or FAC and it clearly meets all of our selection criteria. SmartSE (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I haven't forced anything anywhere, I've just indicated that there are no reasons why this shouldn't be displayed on the main page and it's up to others to move it to prep and then the main page. The fact that I've edited WL articles is irrelevant to my ability to review an article against DYK criteria and nearly all the edits I have made in the area have been general maintenance, rather than trying to push some POV as your comment insinuates. You appear to be the only editor who doesn't agree, but you don't seem to be able explain why, other than that you don't like the idea. SmartSE (talk) 20:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- I have explained multiple times: (1) There are editors who disagree with the state of the article, but who get reverted when they try to change things; (2) There is an ongoing RfC; (3) The RfC has a great deal of participation from involved editors, but is not matching up with other discussions that occurred among uninvolved editors, such as at WP:ELN; (4) There appears to be decreased participation in the RfC right now because of the holidays; (5) I am not the only one who has suggested waiting (see above comment by Gatoclass); (6) There appears to be an attempt by some editors to use Misplaced Pages as a battleground to make a political point, by reproducing contents of classified documents here. It's one thing for there to be a dispute about this, it's another for something as controversial as leaked classified information, sourced only to primary sources, suddenly appearing on Misplaced Pages's mainpage in the DYK section. I am of the strong opinion that this would be extremely unwise, especially since there have been prior discussions strongly objecting to the use of classified documents as sources, the RfC is still ongoing, and the WMF has not yet weighed in on the issue of legality. So rather than pushing this article through to the mainpage over objections, let's please take our time and make sure we're getting things right. --Elonka 03:09, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- There's a difference between "caution" and "stalling". Can we please come to a decision on this nomination? - Dravecky (talk) 03:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Given that there's an open RfC that directly relates to this, it seems reasonable to continue to wait, just as we would if there were an open AfD discussion. It certainly seems to me that the RfC is likely to be closed in a manner that will support us running this, but I see no reason not to continue to wait for the actual closing. cmadler (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, since that RfC opened on December 14, in all likelihood it will close thirty days later on January 13, 2011, while most AFDs close in a mere 7 days. Could we at least have a carefully crafted hook ready to go on that distant day? - Dravecky (talk) 14:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- I am in agreement that we should probably wait until after the RfC. However, there is another possible compromise: simply remove the information from the article that is in dispute, and then it would probably be fine to proceed to DYK. The issues, as I understand them, revolve not around the prose of the article, but the "laundry list" section that is reproducing the classified section verbatim, as well as the link in the External links section that directs to an IP which is supposedly mirroring the stolen classified document. If those were removed (the list and link), at least temporarily, I doubt there would be any objections to the article appearing on the Misplaced Pages mainpage. That way the DYK could proceed, and the RfC could proceed on its own. --Elonka 16:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Since those are whole sections, do you think it would work to just comment them out, even just for the time it's linked from the Main Page? If the problem can be solved so easily, it would be nice to go ahead and run this hook. cmadler (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Personally, I think that would be fine, but we should probably check with the editors at that article's talkpage (I am not one of the editors). So I'd say go ahead, and mention it at the talkpage. If no one objects in a reasonable amount of time, then we could proceed with the DYK. One of my concerns is that the commenting out might just result in another revert war, but it's worth a try! --Elonka 00:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- What section is in dispute? The only parts of the list that don't have references as of yet is Japan, some of China, and then one or two others here and there in the list. Everything else is referenced to reliable sources. I strongly object to commenting out the list just because of User Elonka's dislike of it, when so many other users have expressed both here and in the RFC that there isn't a problem with it. Silverseren 02:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- They are referenced though aren't they - just to a secondary source Elonka says is unreliable, even though we can be fairly sure it is correct. I've noticed that the BBC linked directly to the cable using the same link that we have in the article at the moment. If such a strong source has done so, I don't really see why we shouldn't, they evidently consider it reliable as well, so we could use this as a primary source for the list (as was done before). I don't see how hiding the content that isn't liked for the time it is on DYK would help either - sure we should make sure that articles on the main page meet proper standards, but that means that the content either belongs in the article or doesn't, not that it is hidden for 6 hours when most people will read it. SmartSE (talk) 11:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- The BBC did not reproduce the cable verbatim. But that's not the point here, to re-debate the issue of whether the link is appropriate, that's something for the RfC and/or the WMF to figure out. For now, is it really worth prolonging the dispute and stalling the DYK over this? Why not simply comment out the sections that are in dispute, let the DYK proceed, and then see how the RfC turns out as to whether those sections should be re-included? --Elonka 20:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- So...we're going to comment out Japan and China? That seems a little weird. Though I suppose it must be done, since all of the other places have reliable sources in abundance and those two countries just didn't feel like making news reports on the subject. Their loss, I suppose. (Hint: This is sarcasm) Silverseren 23:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which sections Elonka means are disputed, there's certainly not been any discussion on the talk page as far as I can see. I've a feeling Elonka is suggesting we remove the entire list, but I'm really not sure. Seeming as after >2 weeks the RfC is pretty clearly supportive (or at least not against) of referencing classified material, could somebody who is totally uninvolved take a fresh look at this and promote if you think it is ok? (SS, have you thought about asking Japanese + Chinese WProjects to see if they can find news reports about the list?) SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- No, but that's a good idea. I'll look into it. Silverseren 21:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- The simplest solution would be to comment out the entire list and the external link, which would address concerns enough to let the article proceed to DYK. A more complex compromise, but also acceptable, would be to remove the sections of the list which are either unsourced or sourced to dubious sources (such as the Business Insider blog). The external link should also be removed or commented out. In fact, it's not even pointing to Wikileaks, but just a nameless IP mirror at this point. --Elonka 18:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- There is no current consensus about the reliability of Business Insider, according to you, but that includes it being not reliable, so I would ask that you stop calling it dubious, as that is merely your opinion. Furthermore, you also have no consensus on removal of the external link. In fact, the consensus at the RfC seems to be in favor of keeping such links. Furthermore, it is pointing to that IP mirror because it is a stable source, the Wikileaks website is currently not. We need to provide a stable source for our readers, not one that is under DDos attacks. Silverseren 23:18, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- The simplest solution would be to comment out the entire list and the external link, which would address concerns enough to let the article proceed to DYK. A more complex compromise, but also acceptable, would be to remove the sections of the list which are either unsourced or sourced to dubious sources (such as the Business Insider blog). The external link should also be removed or commented out. In fact, it's not even pointing to Wikileaks, but just a nameless IP mirror at this point. --Elonka 18:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- No, but that's a good idea. I'll look into it. Silverseren 21:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which sections Elonka means are disputed, there's certainly not been any discussion on the talk page as far as I can see. I've a feeling Elonka is suggesting we remove the entire list, but I'm really not sure. Seeming as after >2 weeks the RfC is pretty clearly supportive (or at least not against) of referencing classified material, could somebody who is totally uninvolved take a fresh look at this and promote if you think it is ok? (SS, have you thought about asking Japanese + Chinese WProjects to see if they can find news reports about the list?) SmartSE (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- So...we're going to comment out Japan and China? That seems a little weird. Though I suppose it must be done, since all of the other places have reliable sources in abundance and those two countries just didn't feel like making news reports on the subject. Their loss, I suppose. (Hint: This is sarcasm) Silverseren 23:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- The BBC did not reproduce the cable verbatim. But that's not the point here, to re-debate the issue of whether the link is appropriate, that's something for the RfC and/or the WMF to figure out. For now, is it really worth prolonging the dispute and stalling the DYK over this? Why not simply comment out the sections that are in dispute, let the DYK proceed, and then see how the RfC turns out as to whether those sections should be re-included? --Elonka 20:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- They are referenced though aren't they - just to a secondary source Elonka says is unreliable, even though we can be fairly sure it is correct. I've noticed that the BBC linked directly to the cable using the same link that we have in the article at the moment. If such a strong source has done so, I don't really see why we shouldn't, they evidently consider it reliable as well, so we could use this as a primary source for the list (as was done before). I don't see how hiding the content that isn't liked for the time it is on DYK would help either - sure we should make sure that articles on the main page meet proper standards, but that means that the content either belongs in the article or doesn't, not that it is hidden for 6 hours when most people will read it. SmartSE (talk) 11:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- What section is in dispute? The only parts of the list that don't have references as of yet is Japan, some of China, and then one or two others here and there in the list. Everything else is referenced to reliable sources. I strongly object to commenting out the list just because of User Elonka's dislike of it, when so many other users have expressed both here and in the RFC that there isn't a problem with it. Silverseren 02:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- Personally, I think that would be fine, but we should probably check with the editors at that article's talkpage (I am not one of the editors). So I'd say go ahead, and mention it at the talkpage. If no one objects in a reasonable amount of time, then we could proceed with the DYK. One of my concerns is that the commenting out might just result in another revert war, but it's worth a try! --Elonka 00:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- Since those are whole sections, do you think it would work to just comment them out, even just for the time it's linked from the Main Page? If the problem can be solved so easily, it would be nice to go ahead and run this hook. cmadler (talk) 20:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- I am in agreement that we should probably wait until after the RfC. However, there is another possible compromise: simply remove the information from the article that is in dispute, and then it would probably be fine to proceed to DYK. The issues, as I understand them, revolve not around the prose of the article, but the "laundry list" section that is reproducing the classified section verbatim, as well as the link in the External links section that directs to an IP which is supposedly mirroring the stolen classified document. If those were removed (the list and link), at least temporarily, I doubt there would be any objections to the article appearing on the Misplaced Pages mainpage. That way the DYK could proceed, and the RfC could proceed on its own. --Elonka 16:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, since that RfC opened on December 14, in all likelihood it will close thirty days later on January 13, 2011, while most AFDs close in a mere 7 days. Could we at least have a carefully crafted hook ready to go on that distant day? - Dravecky (talk) 14:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- Given that there's an open RfC that directly relates to this, it seems reasonable to continue to wait, just as we would if there were an open AfD discussion. It certainly seems to me that the RfC is likely to be closed in a manner that will support us running this, but I see no reason not to continue to wait for the actual closing. cmadler (talk) 13:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- There's a difference between "caution" and "stalling". Can we please come to a decision on this nomination? - Dravecky (talk) 03:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) We're going round in circles so I won't repeat myself again, but it is sourced and the link is to WL. Rather than promote only half the article, or leave out chunks, showing a bias, I think it is best to wait to the end of the RfC, even though as I think I've made clear enough, I don't think it's necessary. SmartSE (talk) 23:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- We're going on a month since when this hook was nominated. With that in mind, this article is anything but a "New Article". I'm sorry but I'm boldly rejecting this article as the amount of lapsed time is simply too much and now with an RfC going on, I doubt that this hook will ever see the main page. (DYK is already backed up enough anyway, as shown by the new requirements that went into effect this year) If anyone disagrees with my decision, feel free to let me know and we can talk this over. (Here or on my talk page) and of course another reviewer can always overrule me ;)--White Shadows 03:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's not how things work or we wouldn't have a special occasion area, nor would we have had the FBI seal hook there for four months. A DYK nomination only has to be new upon it being nominated, that's all the requirement says. And it was new then and it is only a week and a half older than the rest of the hooks on this page, which is really not that long at all. Silverseren 05:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hang on: I've waited in good faith to promote this hook pending the outcome of the RfC and would feel quite abused if that was all a stall to quietly kill the hook just before the RfC came to an end. We've held on this long, we can wait a few more days... or promote it without waiting... but I think waiting is the best middle course to take. - Dravecky (talk) 05:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Agree with Dravecky, there's no rush here. This can stay parked until the RfC is closed. 28bytes (talk) 17:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 24
The Stars Shine (film)
- ... that the 1938 German musical The Stars Shine was a Busby Berkeley-style film intended to promote The Third Reich?
Created by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- The hook as a whole is not cited in the article; rather, segments of the hook are cited and scattered in different sections of the article. Not as clearly stated as it preferably could be. The problem is, the references aren't all accessable online. I'll accept good faith on those, tho :) What I propose to easily resolve this is; include the hook as part of the article lead, with all citations required to support the entire statement. Rcej (Robert) - talk 07:15, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not bothered by the fact that the hook is based on the entire article, rather than a particular sentence in the article. I am, however, bothered by the fact that sourcing for the entire article seems to be very thin. Most of the sources are accessible online, and from examining the sources it appears to me that the article creator had to work very hard to assemble this interesting article from the snippets of information in the sources. The article is an impressive creation, but I have to wonder whether the creator either (1) had a source that isn't cited here or (2) had to do some original synthesis. I'd like to hear the back story before sending this hook to the main page.
I did find one potentially useful online source that isn't cited in the article -- http://books.google.com/books?id=4SMM3dcHbwYC (search on the film name). Also, many of the sources emphasize the role of the Ufa film company in this film and in Nazi cinema in general, so I'm surprised not to see the company mentioned in the article. --Orlady (talk) 17:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ooooo... I like to source you found. Let me check it out and come back with an ALT hook. Thanks. Schmidt, 20:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- thx, Orlady :) Rcej (Robert) - talk 06:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Note spelling of Busby Berkeley's surname if his name remains in the revised hook. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Fixed the spelling, just in case. cmadler (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not UFA - Tobis, as the article states. UFA's rival, which Goebbels quietly took over. That's part of the story of this film, which features the full roster of Tobis stars and is set at their studios. Just thought that should be clarified. Yeah, Tobis is on my list of articles to be written. Which is humongoid. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not bothered by the fact that the hook is based on the entire article, rather than a particular sentence in the article. I am, however, bothered by the fact that sourcing for the entire article seems to be very thin. Most of the sources are accessible online, and from examining the sources it appears to me that the article creator had to work very hard to assemble this interesting article from the snippets of information in the sources. The article is an impressive creation, but I have to wonder whether the creator either (1) had a source that isn't cited here or (2) had to do some original synthesis. I'd like to hear the back story before sending this hook to the main page.
Articles created/expanded on December 25
Vale of Avoca
- ... that The Vale of Avoca bridge was opened in 1924, replacing an iron bridge built in 1888 (both pictured)?
Created by Floydian (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
This is long enough and expanded enough, but the hook is not cited, except by a footnote which asserts only part of the hook, and there are no actual citations in the article at all. For DYK it needs to be fully cited – viz., at least one citation per paragraph. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- This would mean using the same reference for each paragraph, which is the reference at the bottom, in the bibliography section. This article is fully cited to a reliable secondary source published by the Deer Park Library; it just lacks inline citations. If I were to use them, it would be the same ref three times. I was instead waiting until I retreived more reliable sources since there is only clutter to be gained when using a single source. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 03:19, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- No, what is given there is single title, without other information, such as the name of the author, date of publication, or page number. That isn't a citation, it's a title, and hooks need to be verifiable. Please see Misplaced Pages:Did you know. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:44, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- The information given is all that is necessary. There is no given author or publisher, so the Library defaults as the publisher of that information (it is given). The location of the item is given (local history reference), and the fonds in which it is contained (bridges). It is a single sheet, printed front and back; there are no page numbers, no author, no date, and nothing else besides a title and two pages of text. I'd be happy to scan the item in full and publish that in my own webspace. As it is, however, this is referenced to a secondary source created by a government archive. We do not have a citation template to appropriately display such a reference to the best of my knowledge. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 04:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- I also noted your edit summary "Unfortunately the paper lacks a proper publisher; most likely a Deer Park Historical Society, if it exists". See Secondary source. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- I also notice you continue to ignore everything I am writing and drawing your own baseless conclusions. This is a paper made available in the local history archives of a very well-established and reputable public library system. I am well aware of[REDACTED] policies on verifiability and reliable sourcing to secondary sources. The point is, what should I do about a situation which A) does not warrant using an inline citation, as the whole article is sourced to one place, and B) is provided by a type of source that has generally been overlooked on[REDACTED] (secondary sources created by archivists and historians that are stored in a government archives or library reference section), and thus is difficult to present using our citation templates? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 05:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- Please don't shoot the messenger. A single sheet of paper which lacks author, date, publisher, and any sign of having been peer reviewed, won't stand up as the only source for a new article offered to DYK for the Main Page. I think it would be better for others to carry on this discussion. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- In my opinion, being in the local archives = Peer reviewed and verified as fact. This is far more reliable than a published book where the publisher and editor have no way of verifying the historical accuracy of the authors text. This a government run insistution. I will try to uncover at least one author and perhaps a second secondary source, but the publisher is the public library branch. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 18:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Having placed materials into local archives, I can assure you that it can not be considered peer reviewed or verified. It's certainly possible that was done in this case, but I would definitely not make such an assumption without some information from and about the library in question. cmadler (talk) 20:56, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- In my opinion, being in the local archives = Peer reviewed and verified as fact. This is far more reliable than a published book where the publisher and editor have no way of verifying the historical accuracy of the authors text. This a government run insistution. I will try to uncover at least one author and perhaps a second secondary source, but the publisher is the public library branch. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 18:46, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Please don't shoot the messenger. A single sheet of paper which lacks author, date, publisher, and any sign of having been peer reviewed, won't stand up as the only source for a new article offered to DYK for the Main Page. I think it would be better for others to carry on this discussion. Moonraker2 (talk) 03:21, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- I also notice you continue to ignore everything I am writing and drawing your own baseless conclusions. This is a paper made available in the local history archives of a very well-established and reputable public library system. I am well aware of[REDACTED] policies on verifiability and reliable sourcing to secondary sources. The point is, what should I do about a situation which A) does not warrant using an inline citation, as the whole article is sourced to one place, and B) is provided by a type of source that has generally been overlooked on[REDACTED] (secondary sources created by archivists and historians that are stored in a government archives or library reference section), and thus is difficult to present using our citation templates? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 05:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- I also noted your edit summary "Unfortunately the paper lacks a proper publisher; most likely a Deer Park Historical Society, if it exists". See Secondary source. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
- The information given is all that is necessary. There is no given author or publisher, so the Library defaults as the publisher of that information (it is given). The location of the item is given (local history reference), and the fonds in which it is contained (bridges). It is a single sheet, printed front and back; there are no page numbers, no author, no date, and nothing else besides a title and two pages of text. I'd be happy to scan the item in full and publish that in my own webspace. As it is, however, this is referenced to a secondary source created by a government archive. We do not have a citation template to appropriately display such a reference to the best of my knowledge. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 04:15, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I added a few new sources, including one from Lost Rivers Toronto (a website of the Toronto Field Naturalists) and from an article out of the Deer Park Newsletter. These two sources back up all of the facts in the hook. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 19:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Is there anything more...exciting we could use as a hook? NW (Talk) 21:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Exciting is pretty subjective... To me, as a historian of urban infrastucture, its very exciting; especially when a picture from that time period is available showing BOTH bridges. Do you have any suggested alternatives? The only other idea for a hook I could think of is mentioning its connection with the Irish valley or with the poet. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 00:48, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 27
There Lived Kozyavin
- ... that the only two sentences the common employee Kozyavin says from the beginning to the end in the Soviet animation There Lived Kozyavin is "Вы Сидорова не видали? Кассир пришёл!", on English "Have you seen Sidorov? The cashier has arrived!"?
Created by GreatOrangePumpkin (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- The plot section has no references per D2. Nomader 21:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Nominated 11 days after creation, which in my opinion is a little too late. Besides that, the entire article is just a plot summary. - PM800 (talk) 04:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Daniel Balsam
- ... that Daniel Balsam became enraged after he received unsolicited e-mails offering him breast enlargement products?
Created by Qrsdogg (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I understand the purpose of the hook is to draw the reader into the article, however, I think it should be altered to offer a little bit more information on what he decided to do after receiving spam. Location (talk) 07:23, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with user:Location. More info is needed in the hook. Also, most of the information in the hook is not found anywhere in the article. Megan|contribs 11:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- The breast enlargement info was removed by an IP who may well be the subject (see Misplaced Pages:COIN#dan_balsam) after Qrsdogg posted here. I suggest a hook like:
- ... that Daniel Balsam quit his previous job to become a lawyer who sues companies that send unsolicited e-mails?
- The article needs to be gone over with a fine toothcomb before being promoted though to ensure everything is cited per BLP as the IP added seemingly unverifiable information as well. SmartSE (talk) 12:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- The breast enlargement info was removed by an IP who may well be the subject (see Misplaced Pages:COIN#dan_balsam) after Qrsdogg posted here. I suggest a hook like:
France–Monaco relations
Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 21:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- . Nice article. Length, date, references and hook works out. However, the passage "The unrest continued until the ruling prince gave up his claim to the two towns (some 95% of the country), and they were ceded to France in return for four million francs." is unsourced, and for DYK all passages needs to have at least one reference. --Soman (talk) 15:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- thats a copy+paste from the requisite wikipedia articles. but it can be removed if need be.(Lihaas (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)).
- I see that the problematic content has been removed. --Orlady (talk) 03:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- The source cited for the hook is a page on http://everyculture.com , which is a http://www.advameg.com/ website. I can't verify the reliability of the source. At least the page names its author and cites sources, but the fact that the same advameg company operates city-data.com gives me concern, since I do not deem city-data to be a WP:RS. Can other sources be used as sourcing for the "everyculture" content? (Or do you have some solid information on the fact-checking done by the cited source?) --Orlady (talk) 03:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- the other source on the para (the original one for that part) also says it Lihaas (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Um, that source also does not appear to be WP:RS. It says it is publishes "Projects by Students for Students." --Orlady (talk) 03:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- done (with addition of new source?Lihaas (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Erm -- Nationsencyclopedia.com (the new source) is another website in the Advameg family. Futhermore, spainexchange.com and mapsoftheworld.com are websites whose content sources are not clear. Isn't Monaco's system of governance described by a more reliable source (either online or in print)? --Orlady (talk) 00:17, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- I found a bunch of websites that may be good sources for this article. I posted the links on Lihaas' user talk page. --Orlady (talk) 00:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- yeah, its big news, i tried a couple from a google search. Anwyays it should be good. UPitt law school wont have crap ;)(Lihaas (talk) 02:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC));
- done (with addition of new source?Lihaas (talk) 21:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Um, that source also does not appear to be WP:RS. It says it is publishes "Projects by Students for Students." --Orlady (talk) 03:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
West Bengal legislative assembly election, 2011
- ... that the West Bengal election follows violent agitation in Nandigram and Singur?
Created by Lihaas (talk). Self nom at 18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Obiviously not ready yet, will be after the election in a few months, so can we move it to the alternative later date? It will also then go for a further expansion over time.Lihaas (talk).18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- This is rarely done. If you want to prepare an article then use a sandbox (I can explain how). I think this has missed its chance Victuallers (talk) 15:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC) .... no - leave it as it is and then expand it by 5 times when the election is complete? Victuallers (talk) 15:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Cool, definately.
- We did so somethign similar for the Bihar legislative assembly election, 2010 (also could you move to the holding area for May. Lihaas (talk).18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I suggest that we remove this nomination, await the election, expand the prose of the article at least five times within five days, and you then resubmit. Schwede66 15:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I was thinking something like the bihar one to have an ongoing expansion (although the results will definately be massively expanded when finalised)Lihaas (talk).18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Its been explained twice. Unless you expand by a factor of 5 in 5 days then you will not qualify. Do not suggest again that you be put in the holding ara while you gradually expand it. You have suggested that twice. Please read the above. Victuallers (talk) 19:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- thats because of precedence.
- then should i delete this part and renom in may?Lihaas (talk).18:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Its been explained twice. Unless you expand by a factor of 5 in 5 days then you will not qualify. Do not suggest again that you be put in the holding ara while you gradually expand it. You have suggested that twice. Please read the above. Victuallers (talk) 19:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
George Huscher
- ... that
on this datein 1912, that Utah swore into office, its first and to date only Socialist, George Huscher, mayor of Murray, Utah?
5x expanded by Stundra (talk), Ser Amantio di Nicolao (talk). Self nom at 02:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Article length is only ~1,100 characters. I also assume "this date" refers to January 1, but that date isn't even in the main text of the article and is still missing a citation in the infobox. 97198 (talk) 07:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- Unless otherwise specified, most mayors in the United States take the oath of office on January 1, the date intended for publication. However, citation can be found in one of the references. User:Stundra (talk) 10:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- January 1 has come and gone so this needs a new hook, once length issues are resolved. - Dravecky (talk) 06:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 28
Russ Prize
- ... that the Russ Prize is along with the Gordon Prize and the Draper Prize one of the "Nobel Prize of Engineering"?
5x expanded by GreatOrangePumpkin (talk). Self nom at 20:03, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Two issues present themselves: firstly, the quantity of readable prose (i.e. excluding tables) has not been expanded sufficiently to qualify; and secondly, the hook is not itself referenced where it appears in the article. Both issues will have to be resolved before it gets onto the main page, I'm afraid. - Jarry1250 21:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- And surely it should be plural in the hook... "one of the "Nobel Prizes of Engineering"?" ?Malick78 (talk) 22:06, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Polar Music Prize
- ... that the Polar Music Prize was founded by Stig Anderson, manager of the Swedish Pop group ABBA?
5x expanded by GreatOrangePumpkin (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article hasn't been expanded with new content - This took some reviewing before coming to this decision, and it is unfortunate, as a reconsidered several times. At first check, it seemed little was added, but then I noticed that the content of the table certainly added 5x of prose (just organized within a table). I was about to accept it, but realized that the entire contents of the table are the verbatim award announcements (and artists / countries). The hook checks, is sourced, and works. However, I cannot pass this as a genuine 5x expansion based on the work done since late-December. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 20:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Also, DYKcheck shows just 611 characters of readable prose (tables don't count), so this is too short for DYK. Give the nominator a few days to fix it. (Notified nominator.) cmadler (talk) 21:14, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I know tables aren't supposed to count, but there are exceptions when they contain considerable lengths of organized prose... Just not when that prose is direct quotations. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ¢ 21:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Viktor Kalashnikov and Marina Kalashnikov
- ... that Russian journalists Viktor and Marina Kalashnikova claim to have been poisoned because of their political writings?
Created by Malick78 (talk). Self nom at 21:44, 2 January 2011 (GMT)
- I'm about to review somebody else's article as per the requirement... Malick78 (talk) 21:49, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Marina's page needs at least 140 characters more to qualify. --PFHLai (talk) 03:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Viktor's article is 1641 characters of readable prose but Marina's is just 1261 characters. - Dravecky (talk) 06:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Marina has just been expanded significantly. Malick78 (talk) 23:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Julia Bonds. Malick78 (talk) 23:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Eugene K. Garfield
- ... that Eugene K. Garfield created the Auto-Train service to carry riders and their vehicles between Virginia and Florida, that included a personal Pullman car with private bedrooms and a dining room?
5x expanded by Acdavidson6 (talk), Diiscool (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Date and length are good, and (although I didn't check it) probably the hook as well; however, I'm concerned about the extensive use of this source — I can't see why the South Florida Astrological Association is a reliable source. Nyttend (talk) 13:06, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I do not think SFAA is a reliable source either. Almost everything that is cited using SFAA as a source can probably be found in the NYTimes article as well, I just didn't have the time to comb through and change the refs.—Diiscool (talk) 14:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Everything mentioned in the SFAA link has been sourced to the obituary from The New York Times. Alansohn (talk) 02:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- 5x expansion and hook-fact source check out OK (this is a 5x expansion from the article that existed for the last 3 years, although it was longer for a few weeks in 2007). However, a few paragraphs in the article still need inline citations. Also, hook wording is awkward; I suggest the following ALT:
- ALT1... that Eugene K. Garfield used a personal Pullman car when he rode the Auto-Train service he started to carry people and their vehicles between Virginia and Florida? --Orlady (talk) 15:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Aleksandra Samusenko
- ... that Soviet tank commander Aleksandra Samusenko was buried near the monument to German Emperor William I in Łobez?
Created by Twilight Chill (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- This article is under 1500 characters if the "Rumors" section blockquote is not counted. The quote shouldn't even be included, in my opinion. - PM800 (talk) 02:42, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- The rumors section reads like a commentary, with unclear notability and unclear point targeted (that she fought? or that she concealed? or that Zhukov said so? Who is Zhukov? Who is Garin, except for a war veteran?). Materialscientist (talk) 02:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Garin is a writer, ru wiki has an article on him. The quotes are largely converted now and a minor addition has been made. Twilightchill t 19:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I still don't think the Rumors section is necessary, and without that it's still under 1500 characters. - PM800 (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Incorporated into the Life section now. It is to show that most likely she didn't fight in Spain. Twilightchill t 01:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- What I meant was that I don't think the last two paragraphs should be included at all, and taking out the section header doesn't change much. I would suggest expanding the actual biography some more. Or you could just ask for a second opinion on this. - PM800 (talk) 09:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- There is virtually no more info for further expansion beyond most recent addition, so I don't think there is a reasonable ground to exclude her purported military background. Twilightchill t 13:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 29
Savoyard crusade
- ... that although it was not a true crusade because it was mostly focused on Bulgaria, the Savoyard crusade was nevertheless the first Christian success against the Ottomans?
Created by Srnec (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 12:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Aporo, Michoacán. — Toдor Boжinov — 13:18, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Crusades didn't have to be directed at the Holy Land - there were several in Iberia & Prussia etc. The historian quoted seems to reject the term because of the size & opportunistic nature of the "escapade" rather than the target as the hook implies. Johnbod (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, it can be argued that a "true crusade" is in the Holy Land or at least targeted against non-Christians, but you're right to note this is not in the article. Will "although it was not a true crusade and it was mostly focused on Bulgaria..." fix this, or should I go with an entirely different hook? I sort of like this one, there's something I find curious about it. — Toдor Boжinov — 21:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- I like the idea you're going with this but I agree with John that we should remove the "true crusade" part. How about the Alt below? Agne/ 05:48, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Alt 1 ... the first Christian success against the Ottomans didn't happen in the Holy Land, but rather in Bulgaria during the Savoyard crusade (map pictured)?
- That's not accurate :( The first success was during the Savoyard crusade, but not during the Bulgarian expedition: it was in Gallipoli. Also, there's no reason for the first anti-Ottoman success to happen in the Holy Land: the Ottomans only captured Jerusalem in 1517. — Toдor Boжinov — 12:04, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, it can be argued that a "true crusade" is in the Holy Land or at least targeted against non-Christians, but you're right to note this is not in the article. Will "although it was not a true crusade and it was mostly focused on Bulgaria..." fix this, or should I go with an entirely different hook? I sort of like this one, there's something I find curious about it. — Toдor Boжinov — 21:54, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that although its main expedition was focused on Bulgaria, the Savoyard crusade nevertheless included the first Christian success against the Ottomans?
- I can support this hook. Offline ref for the "first success" part accepted in good faith but online google searches seem to support it with no contradictory hits. Date, length and free use license of the image all check out as well. Agne/ 21:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on December 30
Philippine senatorial elections
- ... that a voter can vote for up to twelve candidates in the Philippine senatorial elections?
- ALT1:... that the replacement for Norberto Romualdez, who died a day before the 1941 Philippine Senate election, still won due to block voting in the Philippine senatorial elections?
5x expanded by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 19:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- Your DYK is uncited in the opening paragraph. I think that needs to be fixed. That being said, I like ALT1 more... which is cited as required. Otherwise, it has been expanded enough (acc. DYKcheck), and the article seems OK. Good job. I'll drop you a message shortly so that you can either fix or endorse ALT1. -danjel (talk to me) 13:09, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- Tis cited now. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- If ALT1 will be used, I suggest to rephrase it as "... that due to block voting in the Philippine senatorial elections, the replacement for Norberto Romualdez, who died a day before the 1941 election, still won? –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 15:54, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- P.S. As connection to this nom I reviewed E L Short immediately below. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 16:36, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Polish songs by Frédéric Chopin
- ... that only two of the 19 Polish songs by Frédéric Chopin were published during Chopin's lifetime?
Created by JackofOz (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
- comment: reviewed Quetzaltenango Department
- Article length and date are fine. Hook length is fine and hook is cited but the source's reliability is questionable and it needs more info than "Jim Samson" in the article. Other parts of the article are also unsourced. — AjaxSmack 19:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I see what you mean. I'm not the author, just noticed the article and thought it should be known, so picked the first fact with a ref. Looking closer, other sources don't even believe any of the songs were published during the composers lifetime. For references please contact the author, who may be surprised. Trying to keep the hook simple and undisputable:
- ALT1: ... that 17 Polish songs by Frédéric Chopin were published after the composer's death as his Op.74. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- The page simply cited as "Jim Samson" is a copy of the article by Kornel Michałowski & Jim Samson in Oxford/Grove Music Online (haven't checked everything, but they appear identical at first glance), including the bibliography at the end, except for the table of works approximately two thirds down the page, which is presumably inserted from some other source. --Hegvald (talk) 07:36, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article author here: I confess I'm somewhat unsure of how to proceed. The "Jim Samson" ref is something I found online; it's not given a title, but seems comprehensive enough. And now it's been identified, thanks to Hegvald. If the relevant Grove citation can be added, would that not do the trick? (I don't have access to New Grove, only to the 1954 5th ed, which is no good on this occasion.) -- Jack of Oz 19:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I added a cite in the article for the dates from the online Oxford Music/New Grove which confirms the hook. However, the site is subscription only so you'll have to AGF. Interestingly, my dead-tree New Grove 1st ed. (1988 reprint) dates the two pieces mentioned in the hook as being published in Kiev, 1856. — AjaxSmack 02:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Do we look at ALT1 now? And do we need a third reviewer who was not involved so far? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Sewall Memorial Torches
- ... that the Sewall Memorial Torches were given to the Art Association of Indianapolis in memorial of May Wright Sewall in 1922?
Created by User:Lottie Ford. Nominated by User:RichardMcCoy at 03:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
- - This nice looking article needs some fixing. Point 1 is that the Gorham Co. is used as a source for the statement thats the Gorham Co is very famous. Sources need to be 3rd party. The middle sections lacks sources. More oddly we have a ref for these torches having a lot of corrosion on them when they were re-installed (surely when they were removed for cleaning?) and the source is a manual on corrosion (not a likely source). There may be other points. I also notice that the school where these are installed doesnt mention them and the links to the people these torches honour could also be inspected. Do have a go, do ask for help, but this will need some attention . Victuallers (talk) 21:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 1
Calafia
- ... that Queen Calafia, fictional ruler of California, ordered a force of 500 griffins (example pictured) to attack Christians defending Constantinople?
5x expanded by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 19:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Saber of London. Binksternet (talk) 21:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Nice work, but the article is almost 8000 characters short of a 5x expansion. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- DYK check reports that the December 19 version prior to expansion contained 3785 characters (643 words) of readable prose. That would set 18,925 as the character target for 5× expansion, an amount equal to 5×3785. Over January 1–5 I expanded it until DYK check reported 19,191 characters (3184 words) of "readable prose". I think it's okay. Binksternet (talk) 23:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, my check turned up shorter, obviously, but I bow to DYK-check's count-fu. :) And even if it is a little short I think IAR applies given the amount of work done. Good to go, AGF on offline sources. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for passing the article! I have not used the charcount check tool; I was unaware it was available. Your IAR is joined in this instance by the crappy text I deleted during my expansion... ;^) Binksternet (talk) 21:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Boushey Vineyard
- ... that Washington wine grape grower Dick Boushey (picture) opposed the creation of the Rattlesnake Hills AVA because he felt that it would undermine his vineyard's appellation?
- Comment: Reviewed Clutts House. Hook reference in Dick Boushey section with a direct quote from online Decanter magazine ref (FN#8) and several refs noting the vineyard's location in the Yakima Valley
Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 09:56, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- is this about him, the vineyard or about opposition to the Rattlesnake Hills AVA? (I hope its not the latter as that will require a lot of balance) Victuallers (talk) 13:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article is the vineyard, but similar to Champoux Vineyard and other articles where the notability of the person is essentially intertwined with the business/estate/crime/new story, we have Dick Boushey essentially "merged" into the article about his vineyard. The hook is about an event that impacted Bosuhey and his vineyard. Agne/ 07:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Racism in Film of the United States
- ... that the history of racism in United States film includes the controversial movie The Birth of a Nation?
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 23:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed the article "Japanese air attacks on the Mariana Islands". Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I think this article is too sketchy to be anything separate from The Birth of a Nation, which already exists. The hook is noneventful, it seems to me. Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:54, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Agree with previous comment, and even more. This article is a woefully incomplete and erratic treatment of the topic. The formatting is substandard and no other articles link to it. It should not appear on the main page in this form. Wasted Time R (talk) 05:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I can fix it now that you guys have addressed it. I can do so over the next few days. Thanks for your comments. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Expanded, but far from finished or perfect. I might work on it a bit more over the next day or so but I do need to fix a few things on it at some point. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the history of racism in American film might have begun with Thomas Edison's use of "Arab" women with enticing clothes dancing to seduce a male audience?
- I added the alternate hook as it is more eventful than the first hook. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I still don't think you have any idea how big a topic you've taken on here. There have been dozens of books and scholarly papers written about the intersection of race and American film; look in Google Books or Google Scholar. They are the sources you want to be using, not unadorned web urls. You've left out some of the most famous early episodes, such as Hattie McDaniel's roles and Stepin Fetchit. The article's suggestion that the first films to explore racism have been American History X and Crash is wrong by several decades; try Guess Who's Coming to Dinner or Nothing But a Man or Imitation of Life or many, many more. This is not a matter of "fixing" something. This is a matter of researching and writing a long, complex article, and it's going to take a lot longer than a day to get right. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ugh, that's what I figured. I am far from an expert in this field though in this but I'm willing to expand the article to suffice. I can start searching later today and fixing up the last 2/3 of the article to a decent form since I know that they are underdeveloped at this point. Thanks for the help there. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article is bordering WP:FRINGE, WP:POV and WP:UNDUE. For example the claim films like Executive Decision shows racism is sourced to this reference by Mazin B. Qumsiyeh, director of a pro-Arab lobby group. The article collects opinion pieces from advocacy groups, not serious academic research. --Neptune 123 (talk) 07:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I can remove it. I just figured I would make an article about this topic since it doesn't exist. Feel free to clean up whatever you want, as I am not an expert and I know that I messed up stuff. Please feel free to cut up the article to make it work. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article is bordering WP:FRINGE, WP:POV and WP:UNDUE. For example the claim films like Executive Decision shows racism is sourced to this reference by Mazin B. Qumsiyeh, director of a pro-Arab lobby group. The article collects opinion pieces from advocacy groups, not serious academic research. --Neptune 123 (talk) 07:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ugh, that's what I figured. I am far from an expert in this field though in this but I'm willing to expand the article to suffice. I can start searching later today and fixing up the last 2/3 of the article to a decent form since I know that they are underdeveloped at this point. Thanks for the help there. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- I still don't think you have any idea how big a topic you've taken on here. There have been dozens of books and scholarly papers written about the intersection of race and American film; look in Google Books or Google Scholar. They are the sources you want to be using, not unadorned web urls. You've left out some of the most famous early episodes, such as Hattie McDaniel's roles and Stepin Fetchit. The article's suggestion that the first films to explore racism have been American History X and Crash is wrong by several decades; try Guess Who's Coming to Dinner or Nothing But a Man or Imitation of Life or many, many more. This is not a matter of "fixing" something. This is a matter of researching and writing a long, complex article, and it's going to take a lot longer than a day to get right. Wasted Time R (talk) 03:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 2
Kenneth Volentine
- ... that former Louisiana state representative and sheriff Kenneth Volentine is again a livestock and dairy farmer in Claiborne Parish?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed: Ernest P. Goodrich
Saint Alkmunds Way Footbridge
- ... that Derby's Silk Mill is used as a design theme for the bobbins on the St Alkmunds Way Footbridge (pictured) and a needle on the nearby swingbridge?
- Comment: I reviewed Cachorro López Victuallers (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Created by Tentheagle (talk), Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article has no lead section. Is it possible that this article was written offline or in a sandbox and that the intro wasn't copied over when the text was moved to mainspace? I'm not in favor of sending an article to the Main Page that has such a conspicuous absence; however, this shouldn't be very hard to fix. Other than that, I can't see any significant issues; citations verify the information that they're used to support, the length is 1,646 characters, the date is correct, and the hook is verified. Nyttend (talk) 03:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. Thats not a requirement for DYK - but fixed anyway Victuallers (talk) 21:03, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Roy Torbet
- ... that The New York Times in 1912 wrote that the expert passing of "Squib" Torbet (pictured) had placed the Michigan football team "on a higher plane than they have reached before"?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 22:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- (Source says "that they have reached before this fall) but well, Good enough. Diego Grez (EMSIUB) (talk) 00:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have uploaded a cropped version of the same public domain photo. The cropped version will work better if used on Main Page. Cbl62 (talk) 01:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed the article on Shark fin trading in Costa Rica. Cbl62 (talk) 22:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Chauncey McCormick, Hickory Hill (Glasgow, Virginia), William Grigsby McCormick
- ... that Chauncey McCormick and his cousin Robert bought the Hickory Hill estate more than a hundred years after it was built by their great grandfather?
- Comment: Yes, in the USA 100 years is a "long time".
Created by W Nowicki (talk). Self nom at 17:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Paul Calle, Grant McCune, Sisters of Charity of Nevers, Saint Gildard, Saint Gildard (Lurcy-le-Bourg) W Nowicki (talk) 22:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's two articles. Which one are you nominating? Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 22:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Both. Sorry, should have made it clear. I like to do nominations in batches with a single hook to help reduce the backlog. Chauncey McCormick is a new biography, and Hickory Hill (Glasgow, Virginia) is on a registered historic place that was built by his great grandfather. Robert's article is old. You need to make sure both articles have > 1500 characters, both created January 2, and have proper citations. No idea if it counts as one or two revies for you? W Nowicki (talk) 23:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- This is my first time getting involved in DYK reviews, so maybe somebody more experienced than me should take this on. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 23:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Hate to make it even more daunting, but while waiting for someone to review I created another article on the family. Get all three of your review credits by reviewing one verifiable source. A triple hook:
- ALT 1 ... that Chauncey McCormick (son of William Grigsby McCormick) and his cousin Robert bought the Hickory Hill estate more than a hundred years after it was built by their great grandfather?
Johnson-Corey-Chaykovsky reaction
- ... that the Johnson-Corey-Chaykovsky reaction has been employed in several notable total syntheses including the synthesis of paclitaxel (pictured) by Samuel J. Danishefsky?
5x expanded by Mdlevin (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Comment: I reviewed Winter (dolphin). Mdlevin (talk) 03:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the Johnson-Corey-Chaykovsky reaction was discovered accidentally when benzaldehyde was reacted with a sulfur ylide derived from fluorene (pictured)? M.Levin 16:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I like the look of ALT1, but the article doesn't mention anything about the discovery being accidental. If a chemist could take a look over this it would also be useful. One other thing - bullet pointed text doesn't technically count towards the character count we use, meaning it is 300 characters short of the 5x expansion, can you convert the "Types of ylides" section into prose? Nice work over all though SmartSE (talk) 13:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I went ahead and removed the bullet points. I'll see if I can clean the section up to look a little nicer in prose form. To clarify the article maybe doesn't make it clear but the reaction that Johnson carried out was "an attempted Wittig-like reaction" where he expected the synthesis of an olefin rather than an epoxide as per typical Wittig reaction. I can see if the Johnson paper has a quote I can pull about the unexpected nature of the results and add that in.M.Levin 13:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I think a combined hook might be the best approach, using the 'accident' and Taxol. The fluoenyl sulfur ylide is pretty specialised as an interest trigger, IMO, and Taxol is a billion dollar per annum chemo agent so a fair number of people may have heard of it. Not sure whether to use the name "paclitaxel" or "Taxol" in the hook, though. EdChem (talk) 14:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- (ALT2) ... that the Johnson-Corey-Chaykovsky reaction, used in a total synthesis of chemotherapeutic agent paclitaxel (pictured), was discovered when an attempted Wittig-like olefin synthesis produced an epoxide instead?
- I'd be in favor of the second alternative given that upon rereading it seems that Johnson was not overwhelmingly surprised by his discovery. He merely notes that "Reaction between the sulfur ylid and benzaldehydes did not afford benzalfluorenes as had the phosphorus and arsenic ylids." The expectation of an olefin is supported by the reference though. M.Levin 14:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Hubert Guerin
- ... that in 1944, the Holy See received an envoy from Charles de Gaulle's French Committee of National Liberation?
Created by Mkativerata (talk). Self nom at 20:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Wallblake House
- Comment: The idea of the story is good. There is no date of birth and death (is that unavailable?) It may not be long enough with the 1500 characters required for a DYK. The hook does not have Hubert Guerin's name in the selection. I think it needs a little more work. Billy Hathorn (talk) 18:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. We have a date of birth but not death. I've thrown the date of birth in. Maybe that gets it over 1500 (I never seem to be able to use the tool properly!). I've exhausted the material in the sources so I can't expand it further except by gaming the DYK rules (like adding tangential or redundant text: eg I could have a sentence "Guerin was born in 1895."). I didn't know the hook needed to mention Guerin's name? Not mentioning his name allowed me to make the hook more interesting. Anyway, I'm not fussed - I can't do much more (at least, not legitimately) with the article. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- The hook is not required to mention the article title, but normally it does. You have up to 200 characters to work with in the hook, and Guerin's name is not particularly long, so I would try to get it into the hook. How about ALT1: ... that in 1944, the Holy See departed from its usual practice by receiving Hubert Guerin as an envoy from Charles de Gaulle's French Committee of National Liberation? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'm ok with that. It just loses brevity and the reader could wonder whether it was the fact of there being an envoy, or the fact of the envoy being Guerin, that is supposed to be a departure from the usual practice. --Mkativerata (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- The hook is not required to mention the article title, but normally it does. You have up to 200 characters to work with in the hook, and Guerin's name is not particularly long, so I would try to get it into the hook. How about ALT1: ... that in 1944, the Holy See departed from its usual practice by receiving Hubert Guerin as an envoy from Charles de Gaulle's French Committee of National Liberation? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. We have a date of birth but not death. I've thrown the date of birth in. Maybe that gets it over 1500 (I never seem to be able to use the tool properly!). I've exhausted the material in the sources so I can't expand it further except by gaming the DYK rules (like adding tangential or redundant text: eg I could have a sentence "Guerin was born in 1895."). I didn't know the hook needed to mention Guerin's name? Not mentioning his name allowed me to make the hook more interesting. Anyway, I'm not fussed - I can't do much more (at least, not legitimately) with the article. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Sampling frame
- ... that proper design of a sampling frame can be crucial in research?
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Based on existing section, then significantly rewritten and expanded. Formerly a redirect, earlier - a one sentence stub. Since this is a self-nom, here's a review of another DYK: . --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Can't actually read source, but other sources cite it as well. Daniel Case (talk) 05:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Could the tags get resolved before this gets placed in queue? –Grondemar 17:29, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Art of Azerbaijani ashiqs
- ... that in 2009, Art of Azerbaijani ashiqs is included in UNESCO's Intangible Cultural Heritage list and includes up to 3000 ashiqs worldwide?
Created by --NovaSkola (talk) 07:10, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article should be listed as "expansion" rather than "new", comes to ~9x expansion (by my count). Added one more source for the hook, but neither of them mention the second fact, (about 3000 Ashiqs). Everything else is fine. SPat 15:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Jo Tong Sop
- ... that Jo Tong Sop is the current head coach of the North Korea national football team?
Created by Spongie555 (talk). Self nom at , 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Drove Cottage Henge which is the nomination under mine. Spongie555 (talk) 05:43, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not sure the hook is catchy enough, but I can't come up with anything better myself. Perhaps something about the alleged public shaming might work? Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 14:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
- DYK Koji Gyotoku has the same hook but different team and it was accepted. Spongie555 (talk) 00:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- This article includes a lot of padding to get it to 1500 characters, so maybe try to find some more information about this person. And Rwxrwxrwx is right that the hook isn't very impressive. Just because a subpar hook was accepted in the past doesn't mean it always has to be. - PM800 (talk) 14:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Due to North Korea's secretive nature there is limited sources on him and most is about him coaching and nothing about his personal life. Also yes the hook isn't impressive but I can't think of another so I'm open to any other hooks. Spongie555 (talk) 21:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Why not omit the N. Korea reference and do something like:
... that Jo Tong Sop was shamed in a six-hour public inquisition when his football team failed to win the World Cup?
—SMALLJIM 00:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I like that alt better if anyone wants to review the nomination again now. Spongie555 (talk) 03:02, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- There's a problem in that the article contradicts itself on that point: He was also part of North Korea's football team, on return home from the FIFA World Cup 2010 in South Africa when they were shamed in a six-hour public inquisition in Kim Il-Sung Square after the team's coach, Kim Jong-Hun, had been accused of "betraying" the nation's leader's heir apparent, Kim Jong Un, following their failure at the World Cup, according to reports. Later it was proven false that they were shamed and the team was busy practicing for the Asian Games. (Emphasis added.) It should be noted that the source for the second sentence doesn't rule out the possibility that Jo Tong Sop and the team were indeed subjected to a six-hour public shaming, but afterwards then allowed to return to their normal football schedule. Either way, this article should avoid having a self-contradiction on this point. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reworded it alittle. Spongie555 (talk) 05:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Why not omit the N. Korea reference and do something like:
- DYK Koji Gyotoku has the same hook but different team and it was accepted. Spongie555 (talk) 00:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 3
Okanagan Valley (wine region)
- ... that the Canadian wine region of the Okanagan (pictured) is not only on the same degree of latitude as Champagne and Rheingau but also includes parts of the Sonoran Desert that begins in Baja, Mexico?
- Comment: Reviewed Brazo. Primary refs are Oxford Companion to Wine (FN #1) and online British Columbia Wine Institute (FN#3), however there are additional online refs in the lead to help with verification.
Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 06:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- - Fixed hook to point directly to created article as it had been moved. Offline ref doesn't specifically mention Champagne, Rheingau or Mexico as far as I can see - just the latitude and desert - but online refs seem fine to confirm the hook without needing OR. Verified image license suitability. Camw (talk) 07:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry I didn't clarify this in my comment above)-Yes, Oxford mentions the latitude (and of course, in the Champagne and Rhiengau entries of the same text, the same latitude is seen) but to avoid claims of WP:SYNTHESIS I had (FN#2) right next to the Oxford cite that went to the Canadian Encyclopedia where Champagne and Rheingau are specifically mentioned and the BC Wine Institute (FN#3) does specifically mention Baja, Mexico. So there was no OR involved. Agne/ 08:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- No need for clarification, I said the online refs were fine and there was no OR - hence the tick! Although the issue below needs to be sorted out asap, the sources looked okay to me but I'm no expert on North American geography so probably needs some other input. Camw (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: There is an editor on the page who seems to be taking issue with the Sonoran desert claim. I would hope that this doesn't become an edit war that would make the article unstable. But any editor who is worried about this part of the hook or the potential to show up on WP:ERRORS, I encourage you to take a look at some of the abundant reliable sources that support this aspect of the hook/article at Talk:Okanagan_Valley_(wine_region)#Sonoran_Desert_refs. In particular, the last link which goes to a project of the Royal BC Museum (with a bc.ca government website address to boot) should put aside any questions to the validity of the claim. Agne/ 09:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Looks like this edit is still disputing that claim so here is a potential alt. The info on the grapes is sourced to the Wines & Vines online article (FN#7) Agne/ 06:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: There is an editor on the page who seems to be taking issue with the Sonoran desert claim. I would hope that this doesn't become an edit war that would make the article unstable. But any editor who is worried about this part of the hook or the potential to show up on WP:ERRORS, I encourage you to take a look at some of the abundant reliable sources that support this aspect of the hook/article at Talk:Okanagan_Valley_(wine_region)#Sonoran_Desert_refs. In particular, the last link which goes to a project of the Royal BC Museum (with a bc.ca government website address to boot) should put aside any questions to the validity of the claim. Agne/ 09:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Alt 1 "... that the even though Canadian wine region of the Okanagan (pictured) is on the same degree of latitude as Champagne and Rheingau, they grow warm climate varieties like Zinfandel, Malbec and Barbera?"
St. John's Cathedral, St. John's
- ... that the St. John's Cathedral, St. John's, (pictured) in Antigua and Barbuda when built was criticized by ecclesiastical architects as being like "a pagan temple with two dumpy pepper pot towers”?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Jersey City Armory.Nvvchar. 16:21, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length and sources checked. I copyedited a couple of items for flow. Acroterion (talk) 23:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
St Nicholas' Church, Feltwell
- ... that St Nicholas' Church, Feltwell, Norfolk, (pictured) is unusual in being broader than it is long?
- Comment: Reviewed Paul Calle
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Size, date and length verified with cite for hook fact. -- Lord Roem (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Jenny Lind Tower
- ... that although it is thought that the Jenny Lind Tower was moved to its present location by an admirer of the late singer, the mover was born seventeen years after she toured the United States?
- Comment: I reviewed the article Patience and Sarah (opera) below.
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 07:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- The length and references check out (I'm assuming they stand up to whatever notability criteria we have for places/buildings, which I'm not familiar with - there's also Google Books), but the hook is a bit convoluted. It could, instead, be about the performance...? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, go ahead and fix it if you want. Kevin Rutherford (talk)`
- Something like "... that opera singer Jenny Lind is rumored to have climbed the Jenny Lind Tower in North Truro, Massachusetts and prevented a riot by singing to the public below?" Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Go for it! I wasn't sure if that would work but it sounds better than the original. Thanks for your help. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Papal conclave, 1740
- ... that the Conclave of 1740 elected Benedict XIV (pictured) after he advised them "If you wish to elect a saint, choose Gotti; a statesman, Aldrovandi; an honest man, me"?
- Comment: I revieved Central Green Co. v. United States
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 05:35, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, size, and cite verified. -- Lord Roem (talk) 17:24, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- The hook fact should be consistent with Pope Benedict XIV's wikibio, which states that he called himself a "donkey", and explains that "the 'donkey' symbolizes ignorance; it can also represent stubborn faithfulness", instead of "an honest man" in the hook. --PFHLai (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- the hook conforms to the translation given by the source; the article mentioned by PFHLai gives no source. I see no reason why this hook should be changed to reflect the translation preferred by whoever added the unsourced translation. While it would be nice if the nominator or commenter would like to try to remedy the discrepancy between the articles, they need not be forced to correct every piece of uncited babble in some other article as a precondition of a DYK nomination. Savidan 21:45, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- The problem is not the DYK hook nor the DYK candidate article, but a closely related wikipage. It's not a good idea to bring up discrepancies on MainPage. I don't know the topic, so I'd rather not do any fixing. But I'd like to avoid trouble on MainPage, esp. when there are other hooks to pick from. Hopefully, someone, anyone, who knows the topic can "reconcile the differences" between the wikipages before this hook gets on MainPage. Thanks in advance. -- PFHLai (talk) 22:04, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Bhutanese legislation
- ... that in the case of budget bills and urgent matters, a bill must be passed in the same session of Parliament in Bhutan?
Created by JFHJr (talk). Nominated by Spongie555 (talk) at , 3 January, 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviwed El Fonoll nomination under January 2. Spongie555 (talk) 04:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please do specify the country in the hook. Ucucha 17:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't understand this comment. It wouldn't make sense without the country. --jjron (talk) 14:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- The country's name was added late. --PFHLai (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't understand this comment. It wouldn't make sense without the country. --jjron (talk) 14:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please do specify the country in the hook. Ucucha 17:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
2010 Okhaldhunga aircraft crash
- ... that a de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otter (sister aircraft pictured) crashed five minutes after taking off from Lamidanda Airport, Nepal, last month?
- Comment: Reviewed Enid A. Haupt
Created by Wackywace (talk). Self nom at 21:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Question What where the nationalities of the passengers? Every news article I read about the crash always had different nationalities like Bhutanese to Nepalese and American. Spongie555 (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
- Aside from that, which isn't disqualifying but should be added, it looks OK from here. I'm AGF'ing that the crash is notable enough to merit its own article; given the number of fatalities, it should be. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Mary de Morgan
- ... that fairytale author Mary de Morgan told stories to the young Rudyard Kipling and his relatives?
Created by Alastairmciver (talk). Nominated by Contains Mild Peril (talk) at 23:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Note: I have personally viewed the offline source. Contains Mild Peril (talk) 23:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on January 4
Farman F.280
- ... that the Farman F.281 only logged four hours of flight time between January 1933 and the spring of 1935, despite being in service with Air France?
- Comment: Reviewed HNoMS Tor (1939).
Created by TSRL (talk). Nominated by The Bushranger (talk) at 00:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Verified and ready. Rcej (Robert) - talk 06:21, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
First Presbyterian Church (Batavia, New York)
- ... that the First Presbyterian Church (pictured), the first congregation established in Batavia, New York, was originally Congregationalist?
- ALT1:... that the original wooden bell tower of the First Presbyterian Church (pictured) in Batavia, New York, blew down within a year of its construction and was replaced by the stone one originally intended?
- ALT2:... that the design of the First Presbyterian Church (pictured) in Batavia, New York represents changing styles of American Protestant worship over the 19th century?
5x expanded by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 04:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I have reviewed sampling frame. Daniel Case (talk) 05:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Mesa Distance Learning Program
- ... the Mesa Distance Learning Program, which is based in Arizona, caters to students worldwide?
Created by Tyw7 (talk). Self nom at 02:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Leave a message on my talk page if you have any problems with this nomination or if it fails. --Please leave me a {{talkback}}
if you reply here. Thanks, Tyw7 (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) Changing the world one edit at a time! 02:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article is 361 character short for DYK, alas. Also suggest a better hook if possible. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- What hooks can you suggest? This is my first time here. And that is my first article :/ --Tyw7 (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) Changing the world one edit at a time! 08:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- And I was kinda hoping the DYK nomination would drive some interest into the article to expand it. --Tyw7 (☎ Contact me! • Contributions) Changing the world one edit at a time! 08:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not sure about the hook; there's nothing wrong with the current one, just it seems slightly...mundane. But it would work. Expansion is still needed though, hopefully it'll attract some attention. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 20:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Burnett, Somerset
- that Burnett, a village in Somerset had a civil parish of 608 acres until it was abolished and merged into the neighbouring village of Compton Dando?
Created by Jaguar (talk), Rodw (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
No where in the article discusses that it was merged in the village of Compton Dando. And the article was created on January 4 not January 5 and you should have credited User:Rodw! pLease add a sentence to the history section about it being a civil parish and discuss its merger and source it, credit Rodw also and it should be good to go..♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have mentioned the setence in the history section and credited Rodw. Sorry about that! I forgot! Jaguar (talk) 16:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Ernest P. Goodrich
- ... that Ernest P. Goodrich was the third head coach of the Michigan State Normal football team and the first president of the Institute of Traffic Engineers, both of which have since changed their names?
Created by Cmadler (talk), Paulmcdonald (talk). Self nom by Cmadler at 14:34, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed St Margaret's Church, Hales (diff). cmadler (talk) 15:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Could this be his son?
GOODRICH, ERNEST 24 Jul 1906 Feb 1965 58 Michigan What is the last year he is documented? Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- The last thing I've seen is that in 1951, at the age of ~77, he was president of the American Institue of Consulting Engineers. He was 32 in 1906, so it's certainly plausible that they're related -- if not a son then maybe a nephew or something. cmadler (talk) 13:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Julio Ibarra
- ... that Julio Ibarra is the current Governor of Cardenal Caro Province, in Chile?
Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 00:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Spanish-language source accepted in good faith. —Ynhockey 23:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- The red link on the hook will be fixed soon! I admit the hook is a bit boring, but well, this is a wiki! Suggest something better :-p Diego Grez (EMSIUB) (talk) 00:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Point Danger Light
- ... that Point Danger Light (pictured), a lighthouse at the border of Queensland and New South Wales, lays claim to being the first lighthouse to experiment with laser technology?
- Comment: reviewed Gwebin
Created by Muhandes (talk). Self nom at 23:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- DYK criteria met. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Brentwood Academy v. Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Assn.
- ... that the United States Supreme Court has ruled that interscholastic atheletic associations have police power?
Created by Lord Roem (talk). Self nom at 22:43, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I do not have 5 credits yet but I will still review an article. -- Lord Roem (talk)Reviewed: Steve Hanley (rugby union). -- Lord Roem (talk) 22:49, 4 January 2011 (UTC)- There's one paragraph that's uncited; it's very short and could just be 'merged' into another, but I'd also like to see additional sources, and some of the long unreferenced paragraph sections being referenced as well. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
St Barbara's Church, Haceby
- ... that above the chancel arch of St Barbara's Church, Haceby, Lincolnshire, (pictured) are the Royal arms of Queen Anne on top of a medieval Doom painting?
- Comment: Reviewed Hyacinthe-Marie Cormier
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 18:09, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length and sourcing all check out. Cbl62 (talk) 19:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Five articles
- ... that the Romanian company Grup Servicii Petroliere owns five jackup independent leg cantilever drilling rigs namely Atlas, Jupiter, Orizont, Prometeu and Saturn?
Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nom at 17:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Chloe Hosking below
- Well, there are two problems. The first one (easy to solve) is that all five articles have an orphan tag, and that needs to be dealt with before the hook can be promoted to the homepage. The second issue is more complex, though. By itself, each article is just long enough, as they all have just over 1500 bytes of readable prose. However, the articles are all much the same, with just the technical details differing between the various rigs. By way of example, they all contain the sentence "GSP xyz drilling rig is designed by Sonnat Offshore and was built by Petrom at the Galaţi Shipyard in 19yy." (a side issue is that it should say "was designed" in that sentence) As it stands, this could be promoted (once the orphan tags are gone) as a single article, rather than all five, as they are all more or less of the same content. Any of the duplication needs to be discounted for article prose, and if we do that, then they are all well under the 1500 bytes cut off.
- But what can i do if the rigs are very similar in characteristics and construction process. The sentence containing designed by Sonnat Offshore and built by Petrom at the Galaţi Shipyard is a must in these articles because it states their origin. BineMai 12:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- You also need to familiarise yourself with the difference between "its" and "it's" and fix the articles accordingly. Schwede66 21:29, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, there are two problems. The first one (easy to solve) is that all five articles have an orphan tag, and that needs to be dealt with before the hook can be promoted to the homepage. The second issue is more complex, though. By itself, each article is just long enough, as they all have just over 1500 bytes of readable prose. However, the articles are all much the same, with just the technical details differing between the various rigs. By way of example, they all contain the sentence "GSP xyz drilling rig is designed by Sonnat Offshore and was built by Petrom at the Galaţi Shipyard in 19yy." (a side issue is that it should say "was designed" in that sentence) As it stands, this could be promoted (once the orphan tags are gone) as a single article, rather than all five, as they are all more or less of the same content. Any of the duplication needs to be discounted for article prose, and if we do that, then they are all well under the 1500 bytes cut off.
Chloe Hosking
- ... that Australian professional road racing cyclist Chloe Hosking (pictured) started competitive cycling after injuring herself rock climbing when she was twelve?
Created by jjron (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Vincent Kosuga
- Ref and hook checks out. BineMai 17:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Cheers. Thanks for the speedy review. --jjron (talk) 02:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- No problem. BineMai 17:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Cheers. Thanks for the speedy review. --jjron (talk) 02:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Tryvandsbanen, Tryvandshøiden (station)
- ...
that the company Tryvandsbanen was established solely for the purpose of expanding the Holmenkollen Line 800 m from Frognerseteren Station to Tryvandshøiden Station?
- ALT1:... that the company Holmenkolbanen planned making Tryvann a "Davos of the North" in the 1930s, and therefore expanded the Holmenkollen Line to the newly constructed Tryvandshøiden Station?
Created by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Tryvandshøiden (station) is ready for the Main Page: length and creation date are fine, and the hook is referenced to offline reliable sources. At ~350 bytes of prose, Tryvandsbanen is too short to be included as a bold link in the hook; unless the article can be expanded and destubbed, this hook will have to be put forward with just the station article bolded. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you! I fear that I cannot expand Tryvandsbanen any further. It is covered in several Norwegian-language encyclopedias, but they all provide almost the same information at a two or three lines. It only excisted in five years, so there isn't that much to write about. I therefore do not mind if Tryvandsbanen will not be bolded in the hook. bw, Eisfbnore 14:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's fine; as a rail enthusiast with an interest in obscure branch lines myself, I appreciate the difficulty of finding much information about them. I have removed Tryvandsbanen from the credits and un-bolded it in the hook, and have marked both hooks verified. I prefer the original hook, incidentally. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 23:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- The ALT1 hook seems to be fine. But the statement "established solely for the purpose of expanding the Holmenkollen Line 800 m from Frognerseteren Station to Tryvandshøiden Station" in the original hook seems to be absent in the Tryvandshøiden (station) article. On the contrary, the article claims that the company Tryvandsbanen also expanded the line from Besserud to Frognerseteren. Have therefore put <s></s> around the original hook. Oceanh (talk) 00:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- After haven taken a second glance at my sources, it strikes me that both hooks are wrong. Holmenkolbanen did not plan to make Tryvann a "Davos of the North", and neither was Tryvandsbanen its subsidiary. They can be corrected if Frognerseteren will be replaced by Besserud in the first hook, and Holmenkolbanen by Tryvandsbanen in the second. --Eisfbnore 22:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- The ALT1 hook seems to be fine. But the statement "established solely for the purpose of expanding the Holmenkollen Line 800 m from Frognerseteren Station to Tryvandshøiden Station" in the original hook seems to be absent in the Tryvandshøiden (station) article. On the contrary, the article claims that the company Tryvandsbanen also expanded the line from Besserud to Frognerseteren. Have therefore put <s></s> around the original hook. Oceanh (talk) 00:41, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Cachorro López
- ... that record producer Cachorro López co-wrote "Color Esperanza", a song performed in Argentina back to back with the national anthem?
Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 09:40, 4 January 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 09:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- it needs 500 more characters (c. 120 words) of referenced pure text (ie no bullets or tables) to qualify. You also need to mention and reference the national anthem if the hook above is going to work. However... welcome, don't give up, it look like a go-er Victuallers (talk) 17:35, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that record producer Cachorro López co-wrote "Color Esperanza", a song performed in Argentina back to back with the national anthem? Jaespinoza (talk) 22:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- The ref for this hook can be found here.
- ALT2 NOT CHECKED YET ... that Argentine record producer Cachorro López received the Latin Grammy Award for Producer of the Year in 2006 and 2009? Jaespinoza (talk) 22:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Flora and Maria Jaespinoza (talk) 23:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- main hook and Alt1 - thanks - it looks much better now although I ve only checked the main hook and alt1 Victuallers (talk) 10:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 , ALT2 - the references only state he was nominated for the 2006 and 2009 awards, they're pre-award Billboard articles. Are there post-award articles? - The Bushranger One ping only 02:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- This are the references for both Latin Grammy ceremonies, 2006 and 2009.
- ALT1 , ALT2 - the references only state he was nominated for the 2006 and 2009 awards, they're pre-award Billboard articles. Are there post-award articles? - The Bushranger One ping only 02:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Polad Bülbüloğlu
- ... that Polad Bülbüloğlu, an Azerbaijani singer, actor, politician and diplomat, won the Russian Order of Friendship and numerous other national awards in FSU states?
5x expanded by Ynhockey (talk). Self nom at 05:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Пpoвepявшo (I think that's how you say "verified" in Russian). Daniel Case (talk) 18:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Julio Ibarra. —Ynhockey 23:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Jersey City Armory
- ...in a 1979 fundraiser at the Jersey City Armory (pictured) then Mayor of Jersey City Thomas F. X. Smith challenged Muhammed Ali, then World Heavyweight Champion, to an exhihition bout, and went three rounds before a crowd of 8,000?
5x expanded by Djflem (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
- Worked Batavia Club, which appeared Jan 4
- 5x expansion, date, refs, and hook check out. J04n(talk page) 15:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)my bad, forgot the 200 character limit. J04n(talk page) 16:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length of article and expansion verified. However, hook is too long at 223 ch. Alt Hook suggested ... that in a 1979 fundraiser at the Jersey City Armory Mayor Thomas F. X. Smith challenged Muhammed Ali, then World Heavyweight Champion, to an exhibition bout before a crowd of 8,000? --Nvvchar. 16:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Even better, concise and catchier. Thanks Djflem (talk) 19:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 2:... that in a 1979 fundraiser at the Jersey City Armory the Mayor of Jersey City challenged Muhammed Ali, then World Heavyweight Champion, to an exhibition bout before a crowd of 8,000?
No need to highlight person and more concise. Djflem (talk) 23:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 2 is fine. Good to go now.--Nvvchar. 01:16, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Rail transport in Vietnam
- ... that despite French attempts to secure Vietnam's railway network during the First Indochina War, Viet Minh guerrillas created their own 300-km railway by stealing the main line's tracks?
5x expanded by Dragfyre (talk). Self nom at 18:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 2: ... that during their campaign to sabotage the French-controlled Vietnamese railway network, Viet Minh guerrillas created their own 300-km railway out of tracks stolen from the main line?
- Comment: Hook ref is located in the third paragraph of the "Wartime" section. Note that the article was in userspace until Jan 4; history merge was done by MuZemike.
- Reviewed: L&N Station (Knoxville)
- The merge was confusing, but I eventually figured out article length went from 3000 to 50,000 bytes. Hook ref checks out, hook length OK. One : the cited sentence in the article concludes wth :...where began to operate trains of their own." Operation of trains appears to be unsupported in the reference. Andrew Jameson (talk) 21:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm, you're right. I could have sworn that bit was in one of the references I've used, but I can't find it. Oh well, I'm OK with taking that out of the article until I find a better ref (this is now done). --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 00:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Also I prefer ALT 2 Andrew Jameson (talk) 21:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 5
Knowledge of Christ
- ... Discussions on the knowledge of Christ have had a central place in Christology for centuries?
Created by History2007 (talk), History2007 (talk). Nominated by History2007 (talk) at 04:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
William D. Cochran
- ... that Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank Deputy Chairman William D. Cochran (pictured) was known as "Pink Cheeks" as a Michigan Wolverines football player?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 19:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- My QPQ contribution for this nomination is here for Edward T. Archibald House. Cbl62 (talk) 19:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length and date checked. AGF on offline source. - PM800 (talk) 21:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- My QPQ contribution for this nomination is here for Edward T. Archibald House. Cbl62 (talk) 19:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
William Fones
- ... that during William Fones tenure as a Tennessee Supreme Court judge, the court upheld a law banning snake-handling in religious services?
Created by RFD (talk), Orlady (talk). Nominated by Orlady (talk) at 02:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Since submitting this nomination and the one for Messick High School, I have contributed reviews for France-Monaco relations (diffs; and ) and Vincent Kosuga (diff), as well as commenting on Neft Daşları. --Orlady (talk) 03:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- I look at the article on the Repulic of China-South Africa diplomatic relations and made some comments-Thank you-RFD (talk) 16:54, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Rameshwar Prasad
- ... that Rameshwar Prasad became the first Naxalite member of parliament elected from the Indian state of Bihar in 1989?
Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment, I reviewed Sathyamangalam Tiger Reserve (pro). --Soman (talk) 22:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
La Jana (actress)
- ... that La Jana, a Viennese raised in Frankfurt whose stage persona was exotically sexy, was the biggest dance and musical star in Nazi films?
- ALT1:... that in the 1920s revue Casanova, the dancer La Jana was carried on-stage semi-naked on a silver platter?
- ALT2:... that the dancer and film star La Jana was romantically linked with Crown Prince Wilhelm, Goebbels, Charlie Chaplin and Hitler, but also said to be married to an opera singer?
Created by Yngvadottir (talk). Self nom at 20:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Roy Bass Yngvadottir (talk) 16:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Angus Reach
- ... that an 1848-9 crime thriller set in the world of horseracing, written by journalist Angus Reach, was later described as a "template for the pulp tradition"?
Created by Gonzonoir (talk). Self nom at 16:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Roberto Córdova. Gonzonoir (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Verified date, length and hook. Article in good shape. --Bobak (talk) 21:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Prudence Crandall House
- ... that the Prudence Crandall School for Negro Girls (pictured) controversially operated in a Canterbury, Connecticut mansion during 1832-34, until mob violence led to its closure?
5x expanded by Doncram (talk), KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Good article. Expansion confirmed; length and sources checked. I do suggest an alt hook, which I list below. --Bobak (talk) 20:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: "... that the Prudence Crandall School for Negro Girls (pictured) operated in a Canterbury, Connecticut mansion until mob violence led to its closure?"
- I believe the above Alt hook is cleaner and more attention-grabbing. Let readers go to the article for details. --Bobak (talk) 21:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for developing the alt, that's great. --Doncram (talk) 01:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed DYK nom for Pratt & Whitney J48. --Doncram (talk) 01:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Minor quibble on hook wording -- the "pictured" is misplaced. Try this version:
- ALT2: ... that the Prudence Crandall School for Negro Girls operated in a Canterbury, Connecticut mansion (pictured) until mob violence led to its closure? --Orlady (talk) 03:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sure, i agree that reads better. However the DYK editor/composer chooses is fine by me. --Doncram (talk) 01:06, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Allied naval bombardments of Japan during World War II
- ... that United States Navy, British Royal Navy and Royal New Zealand Navy warships bombarded several Japanese cities (bombardment of Kamaishi pictured) during the last weeks of World War II?
Created by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 10:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've assessed the nomination for Fort du Scex and Fort de Cindey below Nick-D (talk) 10:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date checks out, length of hook is fine, hook fact is cited in the article, prose length is fine. AGF for offline sources. Image is in the public domain. Good to go. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
John Jardine Paterson and Bengal Chamber of Commerce and Industry
- ... that the Scotsman John Jardine Paterson was President of the Bengal Chamber of Commerce in 1966?
Created by Moonraker2 (talk). Self nom at 09:44, 6 January 2011 (GMT)
- Comment: I reviewed MQR-13 BMTS.
Hook is not verified.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I disagree. Dr. Blofeld added a {{Fact}} template at the end of the relevant sentence in the JJP article, but long before that the citation for the hook was already immediately after the fact in the BCCI article. Before the above comment was written I replaced the {{Fact}} template with the citation needed, which was already at the end of the following sentence in the first article. Moonraker2 (talk) 15:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeshayahu Yerushalmi
- ... that Yeshayahu Yerushalmi was the presiding judge of the initial enquiry into the USS Liberty incident in 1967?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 07:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Unreferenced BLP expansion. Reviewed Burnett, Somerset.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- All checked out. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:25, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Fort du Scex, Fort de Cindey
- ... that the Swiss Fort du Scex (pictured) and the Fort de Cindey are connected by a natural cave, the Grotte aux Fées?
Created by Acroterion (talk). Self nom at 02:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I elected to keep the Grotte aux Fées for a separate DYK, a couple of slots below, although the trifecta was tempting. Acroterion (talk) 02:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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- Everything checks out - great work, these are very good little articles. Nick-D (talk) 10:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Is the School House the Proper Place to Teach Raw Sex?
- ... that a 1968 pamphlet called Is the School House the Proper Place to Teach Raw Sex? claimed that sex education was a Communist conspiracy?
Created by Roscelese (talk). Self nom at 00:06, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- (Too much of a n00b to be required to review, but as I did last time, I may drop by to review some things anyway.) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:06, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date, and hook verified. Those Commies will stop at nothing! Jayjg 04:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Roberto Córdova
- ... that Roberto Córdova (pictured), current Mayor of Pichilemu, Chile began working in construction, forestry and agriculture companies?
5x expanded by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 23:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article looks good (a vast improvement on this hitherto barely-cited BLP) and the expansion checks out, but this particular hook seems to be cited to the subject's CV. Are we comfortable with citing DYK hooks to primary sources? Perhaps you could find another hook cited to one of the third-party sources you've added? Gonzonoir (talk) 16:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I couldn't find any other reference for his works in forestry, etc. So, I propose a different hook: --Diego Grez (EMSIUB) (talk) 17:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- ... that Roberto Córdova (pictured) became the mayor of Pichilemu, Chile, after Marcelo Cabrera Martínez was removed permanently as mayor of the city on August 19, 2009?
- Second hook is better. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 23:36, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- New hook citation checks out (per my non-fluent Spanish); I have made minor typographical corrections to the hook above. I believe this is ready to go with the second hook. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Jamaican Flightless Ibis
- ... that the extinct Jamaican Flightless Ibis developed unique club-like wings (bones pictured) that could be used like a flail?
Created by KimvdLinde (talk), Jimfbleak (talk), Maias (talk), Chuunen Baka (talk), Snowmanradio (talk), MeegsC (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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- Looks good from here. Pretty cool stuff! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hold on for a few days as I am trying to get permission for one of the images. This article would do well with a nice image.-- Kim van der Linde 14:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Alright. :) I've added a hold-on check, let me know how the image search turns out. Having one would be pretty cool indeed. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I made the image File:Clubbed-wing-drawing-thumb.svg, but it does not show in the 100x100 image for DYK. So, forget it. -- Kim van der Linde 01:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- OK. Good to go. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I made the image File:Clubbed-wing-drawing-thumb.svg, but it does not show in the 100x100 image for DYK. So, forget it. -- Kim van der Linde 01:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Alright. :) I've added a hold-on check, let me know how the image search turns out. Having one would be pretty cool indeed. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hold on for a few days as I am trying to get permission for one of the images. This article would do well with a nice image.-- Kim van der Linde 14:41, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
John S. Gray (Michigan)
- ... that the first president of Ford Motor Company wasn't Henry Ford; it was candy maker John S. Gray (pictured)?
Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 21:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hook is reffed in multiple places, here's one, and here's another. Andrew Jameson (talk) 21:31, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Rail transport in Vietnam Andrew Jameson (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Nice work and rather interesting (I have a spare NZ$10,500 for investment, too - if anybody can guarantee me that return, I'll consider it)! I've given the article a c/e for spelling. It's brand new, hook fact is fine, and it's well over the length requirement. I've amended the hook in the following ways: replaced the comma with a semicolon, changed 'candymaker' to 'candy maker' and wikilinked it (it redirects to Confectionery). I hope that's ok. Regarding the image, I assume that the public domain restriction doesn't apply, as the photo is from the US (that would need to be checked by an admin if this becomes the lead hook). This is lead hook material IMO. Schwede66 22:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks! The hook reads a little better with the edits, so I have no issue. The photo was published in 1922 (it's in the first ref link I gave above); anything published before January 1, 1923 is public domain in the US (I'm not familiar with NZ). Andrew Jameson (talk) 22:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- My PD comments referred to the text shown on the Commons page: "This image might not be in the public domain outside of the United States; this especially applies in the countries and areas ..." Schwede66 01:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Baths (musician)
- ... that Baths' debut album, Cerulean, though recorded in his bedroom in two months, was acknowledged by "album of the year" lists?
5x expanded by Fox (talk). Self nom at 20:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Mycena arcangeliana. 狐 FOX 20:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length, and 6.03x expansion verified. I do not mean to split hairs, but found references for two "album of the year" lists and several implies more than two. KimChee (talk) 23:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I thought that after I finished typing it... Could have sworn there were more than two, but I'm obviously mistaken... Bear with me. 狐 FOX 23:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- How about: ALT1
- Maybe? 狐 FOX 23:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I updated the main hook to fit, and both check out okay. KimChee (talk) 00:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe? 狐 FOX 23:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Saber of London
- ... that the British detective TV series Saber of London ran on two American networks between 1951 and 1960 under four different show titles?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- There must be cite directly following the hook-proving sentence, not just a cite at the end of the paragraph. Otherwise the online viewable source supports the hook. Date and length okay. Binksternet (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article fixed. Nominator review noted. Good to go! Binksternet (talk) 23:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed: Hubert Guerin.
Mycena arcangeliana
- ... that Angel's Bonnets (pictured) smell strongly of iodoform?
Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 16:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have reviewed Leofric Missal. J Milburn (talk) 17:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date, hook all good, reference taken under good faith (one thing, can you cite the actual fact? I assume the end-of-par citation is the same one?). 狐 FOX 20:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Added a cite after the fact just so it's clear. J Milburn (talk) 20:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Verified fact using my copy of Mushrooms. Good work! Brammers (talk/c) 13:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Red (Communards album)
- ... that the song "For a Friend" from The Communards' album Red was written in memory of Mark Aston, a friend of the band members, who died from AIDS?
Created by J04n (talk). Self nom at 16:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Jersey City Armory J04n(talk page) 16:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date, and hook checked. - PM800 (talk) 19:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Marburg's Bloody Sunday
- ... that during massacre known as Marburg's Bloody Sunday, on January 27, 1919 in Maribor, military units under command of Rudolf Maister killed between 11 and 13 and wounded 60 civilians during protest of several thousand German citizens of Maribor on central city square?
- Comment: Please save this nomination for a couple days so it can be on the main page on January 27, on 92nd anniversary of the massacre
Created by Antidiskriminator (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- This is my second DYK so no review is requested.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Good to go, save that the hook is 264 characters long. I suggest "... that during massacre known as Marburg's Bloody Sunday, military units commanded by Rudolf Maister killed between 11 and 13 civilians during protest of several thousand German on Maribor's city square?" to bring it to the 200-character maximum. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howard the Duck (talk • contribs) 14:39, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- This is my second DYK so no review is requested.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Antoinette (barque)
- ... that the explosion to move Antoinette, wrecked on Doom Bar, blew in all the windows in Padstow?
Created by Worm That Turned (talk). Self nom at 11:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment I have reviewed Louis Gilbert.Worm 11:44, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good to me (an inexperienced DYKer) - length, dates, etc. I like the fact the date isn't mentioned, because I remember hearing about the recent attempt to shift the wreck, and I thought "that never blew out all the windows". —SMALLJIM 19:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
St Margaret's Church, Hales
- ... that with its round tower, semicircular apse, and thatched roofs, St Margaret's Church, Hales, Norfolk, (pictured) is described as "an almost perfect Norman church"?
- Comment: Reviewed Point Danger Light
Created by Peter I. Vardy (talk). Self nom at 11:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Verified article length, creation, citations, hook fact, photo suitability. cmadler (talk) 15:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
MQR-16 Gunrunner
- ... that the stabilizing fins of the MQR-16 Gunrunner rocket were made from plywood?
- Comment: Reviewed 2010 Okhaldhunga aircraft crash.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 07:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, hook ref verified. Barely over 1,500 characters, but length checks out okay. Photo is credited to National Aerospace Education Council, checking to confirm whether it is a U.S. federal agency. KimChee (talk) 07:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Actually the image is a U.S. Army image, but is via the NAEC's collection. However the NAEC does appear to be government, since their books were published by the GPO... - The Bushranger One ping only 07:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- If you can link to a source that confirms it is from the army, then the image can be cleared. I also found similar publishing evidence of the NAEC, but that is not quite definitive as, for example, works of the post office ceased to be automatically in the public domain since the 1970s. KimChee (talk) 08:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunatly, there are no other sources online; working on obscure stuff like this is fun, but can be frustrating. I'll pull the pic from DYK then, no worries. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 08:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Verified. Sorry to see the image go, but everything else checks out. KimChee (talk) 08:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunatly, there are no other sources online; working on obscure stuff like this is fun, but can be frustrating. I'll pull the pic from DYK then, no worries. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 08:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- If you can link to a source that confirms it is from the army, then the image can be cleared. I also found similar publishing evidence of the NAEC, but that is not quite definitive as, for example, works of the post office ceased to be automatically in the public domain since the 1970s. KimChee (talk) 08:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Actually the image is a U.S. Army image, but is via the NAEC's collection. However the NAEC does appear to be government, since their books were published by the GPO... - The Bushranger One ping only 07:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, hook ref verified. Barely over 1,500 characters, but length checks out okay. Photo is credited to National Aerospace Education Council, checking to confirm whether it is a U.S. federal agency. KimChee (talk) 07:43, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
1953 Orange Bowl
- ... that the 55-point margin of victory by Alabama in the 1953 Orange Bowl was the largest for a college football bowl game until surpassed by Tulsa in the 2008 GMAC Bowl by a single point?
- Comment: Reviewed Waterbury Union Station
Created by Patriarca12 (talk). Self nom at 04:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date, and hook verified. - PM800 (talk) 05:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Leofric Missal
- ... that two of the illustrations in the Leofric Missal, a 10th and 11th century illuminated book from England, depict a method of divination derived from Coptic Egypt?
Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 16:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed (actually am reviewing) Fully Loaded (2000), see diff for review. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date and length check out, offline source accepted in good faith. J Milburn (talk) 16:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
General Duke (horse)
- ... that the American Thoroughbred racehorse General Duke won the second running of the Belmont Stakes in 1868?
Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 20:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Xeromphalina setulipes, see diff for review. Ealdgyth - Talk 20:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length and date good. While this was originally asking for AGF on the hook's source, I found the Belmont Stakes' official website actually had good information and I added it to the article; it also corroborates some other information. Thus I accept the rest of the article AGF. --Bobak (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 6
Decatur County Courthouse (Indiana)
- ... that the Decatur County Courthouse in Greensburg, Indiana has had a tree of some sort growing on the steeple since the 1880s?
- Reviewed: Narragansett land claim
Created by Ktr101 (talk). Self nom at 22:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Lewis Reimann
- ... that Michigan football player and author Lewis Reimann (pictured) wrote in 1916 that post-game celebrations by students "filled with 'spirit'" were damaging the university's reputation?
Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 19:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Republic of Central Albania
- … that Essad Pasha Toptani, supported by the Kingdom of Serbia, established the Republic of Central Albania on October 16, 1913?
Created by Antidiskriminator (talk). Self nom at 16:17, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Derek Robinson (physicist). --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Nancy McKenzie
- ... that Arthurian author Nancy McKenzie wrote her novel Queen of Camelot to "make her into someone a 20th-century person could understand"?
Created by Ruby2010 talk 06:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Ram (rocket) Ruby2010 talk 06:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date, and sources checkout. Assuming we're okay with fair use on the book cover in this case. - PKM (talk) 03:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Messick High School
- ... that the woman for whom Memphis' Messick High School is named was superintendent of schools in 1908, when the school was established?
Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 02:32, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Since submitting this nomination and the one for William Fones, I have contributed reviews for France–Monaco relations (diffs; and ) and Vincent Kosuga (diff), as well as commenting on Neft Daşları. --Orlady (talk) 03:32, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
The Camden News
- ... that through a reorganization in 1968, the small-in-circulation Camden News in Camden, Arkansas, became the parent company of the Palmer newspaper chain?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:49, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed: Hockey Fights Cancer
- Length, expansion, and hook verified. Jaespinoza (talk) 07:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Hockey Fights Cancer
- ... that the National Hockey League and its players' association founded the Hockey Fights Cancer charity in 1998 after former player John Cullen attempted to come back from Non-Hodgkin lymphoma?
Created by Resolute (talk). Self nom at 00:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Correction needed, missing word?: It is also supported by the It was founded in ...
- I am not certain what you are asking for. Can you clarify, Mr. unknown contributer? Resolute 05:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- It appears as the above contributor is referring to the lead. I looks like you my have started to reference the NHLOA and trainers but did not finish the sentence. I removed the beging for no since I'm not sure if that was your intent.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 06:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ahh, yeah. I see that now, thanks! The removal is fine, as the body mentions all of the groups that support the charity. Resolute 06:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- It appears as the above contributor is referring to the lead. I looks like you my have started to reference the NHLOA and trainers but did not finish the sentence. I removed the beging for no since I'm not sure if that was your intent.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 06:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
HNoMS Tor (1939)
- ... that when the Germans invaded Norway in 1940, the crew of the incomplete Sleipner class destroyer Tor scuttled their vessel at the shipyard, and joined the land forces fighting the invasion?
Created by Manxruler (talk). Self nom at 20:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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- Nice work! Good to see the "tin cans" getting some attention. Good to go. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
India–Namibia relations
- ... that Namibian President Sam Nujoma has visited India 11 times?
Created by Namiba (talk). Self nom at 14:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- It's new enough, long enough, and well-referenced; however, the infobox is currently showing a redlink where the locator map should be. A map should probably be uploaded before this is posted on the Main Page. Brian the Editor (talk) 21:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- That hasn't been an issue in the past with other DYK's, but I've uploaded an image anyway.--TM 00:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was probably being a little too picky. Anyway, it's certainly ready now. Brian the Editor (talk) 03:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Ayo Rock Formations
- ... that geologists have not been able to give a plausible reason for the presence of these unusual wind carved Ayo Rock Formations (pictured) on a flat, sandy island in Aruba?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 11:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Rákóczi Museum, Tekirdağ.--Nvvchar. 12:08, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, expansion, and hook verified. Good to go.CeeGee (talk) 12:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Rákóczi Museum, Tekirdağ
- ... that the house in Tekirdağ, Turkey, where Hungarian national hero Francis II Rákóczi spent his last years, is a museum now and is regarded as a cultural bridge betwen the two countries?
Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 08:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length and hook references verified. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 12:06, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed Ayo Rock Formations.CeeGee (talk) 12:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Jenova Chen
A Chinese man with short, brown hair shown from the shoulders up looking at the camera
- ... that Jenova Chen (pictured) designs video games such as Flow and Flower so that they appeal to universal emotions rather than specific cultures?
- Comment: 5x expanded this today; reviewed Cebu's 5th legislative district special election, 2005.
5x expanded by PresN (talk). Self nom at 23:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Verified, 5x per DYKcheck, and ready. Rcej (Robert) - talk 09:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Sodium tungsten bronze
- ... that not only can sodium tungsten bronze conduct electricity like a semiconductor or a metal, but it can also superconduct?
- Comment: Article created in my userspace on Jan 5, moved to mainspace on Jan 6. Checked offline reference of Mycena arcangelica DYK: diff.
Created by Brammers (talk). Self nom at 23:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good; I get ghits of its superconductive properties. However, I would rephrase the hook (after the comma) as "it can also act as a superconductor." Also, it would be good to define what "x" is in the article. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:45, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Monotown
- ... that there are hundreds of monotowns in Russia—towns whose economy is dominated by a single industry or company?
Created by Nanobear (talk). Self nom at 20:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Intriguing. However, two paragraphs have no references at all. Should be easy to fix, though, I'd think. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have added the missing inline cites. Nanobear (talk) 12:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good now. Double-checked length, hook, age etc. Worm 13:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Prostitution in Iran
- ... that U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton has criticized prostitution in Iran, noting no significant effort by Iran to solve problems of human trafficking?
- ALT1:... that many Iranians consider Shia Islam's practice of nikah mut‘ah (temporary marriage) a form of legalized prostitution in Iran?
5x expanded by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 19:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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- The article, as submitted, should be OK. However it is also currently embroiled in an edit war (in which one editor on the talk page says the New York Times is not a reliable source - !!!) so it can't run until that's resolved... - The Bushranger One ping only 02:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, the article is the subject of edit warring now, unfortunately. Let's see if it settles into place. Binksternet (talk) 22:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Sathyamangalam Tiger Reserve (pro)
- ... that Sathyamangalam forest is the only reserve forest in South India with a significant presence of tigers, that is not yet declared as one of the tiger reserves in India?
Created by Marcus334 (talk). Self nom at 18:30, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Fuller Rock Light-Marcus334 (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length is fine (parts of text copied from Sathyamangalam, but still enough new text), hook checks out. Should have been posted under January 3 (date of creation), but that's not a problem. However, there are some passages in the article without references. In DYK all passages needs at least one reference. I also deleted some e-mails and phone numbers.
- Also, perhaps the article ought to be moved to a less crystalballish name. After all, relatively little in the article is dedicated to the process of establishing a tiger reserve. So 'Sathyamangalam Wildlife Sanctuary' might be a better name. --Soman (talk) 22:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- "Issues resolved: Name change done. Unreferenced passages moved from Sathyamangalam and others are now referenced, as suggested.-Marcus334 (talk) 03:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Xeromphalina setulipes
- ... that the mushroom Xeromphalina setulipes is known only from Ciudad Real Province, Spain?
Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 18:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Fuller Rock Light. J Milburn (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Date and length are OK. Difficult to check the source material because a subscription is needed. Single source, but since the subject is a newly recorded species, this is unsurprising. I added a citation to the hook statement as I believe that is a requirement for DYK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date of creation and size good, hook is fine, ref'd to an offline source that is accepted in good faith. I ran the article through Coren's tool and Earwig's tool to check for plagarism, no problems with either tool. Looks fine to go! Ealdgyth - Talk 20:22, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Fuller Rock Lighthouse
- ... that the Fuller Rock Light in Providence, Rhode Island was destroyed in an explosion?
Created by Mangoe (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed La Sarre, Quebec Mangoe (talk) 17:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Added ref to Fuller Rock Lighthouse (Maine) to Talk. Possible renaming of article to Fuller Rock Lighthouse (Rhode Island)? Possible candidate for disambiguation page here?-Marcus334 (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I thought about doing that but I haven't been able to find enough information to write any article about the Maine light at all; the only evidence it even exists is in the Light List and some placename directories that appear to use the LL as their source. None of the other standard sources acknowledge that it exists. I will add a note at the top of the article however. Mangoe (talk) 21:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Good to go. J Milburn (talk) 18:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Paolo Padovani
- ... that in 2004, Paolo Padovani and a team at the European Astrophysical Virtual Observatory (AVO) discovered 30 supermassive black holes which were previously obscured by dust clouds?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 15:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Unreferenced BLP expansion. Can't find another hook needing reviewing!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, expansion, and hook verified, but this article is being considered for deletion. As for not finding another hook to review, there actually are still hooks here that haven't been reviewed. - PM800 (talk) 18:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Mihajlo Rostohar
- … that during a political rally on October 29, 1918, in Ljubljana, Mihajlo Rostohar shouted: “We soldiers renounce to Austria and swear obedience to the state of our nation, to Yugoslavia!”?
- Comment: this is my third nomination, but I still reviewed Jens Blauert.
Created by Antidiskriminator (talk). Self nom at 13:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- All checked out. Hook was too long so I shortened it. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 14:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
MQR-13 BMTS
- ... that the Ballistic Missile Target System target rocket (pictured) could be launched in any of four different configurations?
- Comment: Reviewed Mesa Distance Learning Program.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 08:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- All checks out. Moonraker2 (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Animal conspiracy theories involving Israel
- ... that Saudi Arabia's officials detained a vulture, as the one (pictured), and accused him of spying for Israel?
Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 05:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- All the required parameters (length, source and hook) technically check out, but the article's got huge problems including massive POV, and would require substantial work before it could be suitable to appear anywhere near the main page. Roscelese (talk ⋅
contribs) 06:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- The grammar is fixed. The only two opinions used in the article put in quotes. The article is well sourced. Every statement (including the lead) is sourced by at least one, usually more than one RS. The article has never been tagged. If you see some problems, could you please discuss those in specifics on the article talk page, and please consider changing your "decline" to "maybe". If this article appears on the main page, it will sure enough bring more donations to wikipedia.--Mbz1 (talk) 12:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Also, isn't the shark stuff copied from the page on the shark attacks that ran awhile back? Of course, the length is probably good even not counting that, but yeah, the article needs a lot of work. It may be the most scatterbrained theory ever, but saying so isn't really encyclopediatic (also, the whole vulture thing might be the Saudi sense of humour in the wake of the shark attacks...) - The Bushranger One ping only 06:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article name is distracting and does not represent the full scope of the article which covers a multitude of
crazyconspiracy theories about Jewish control of animals for allegedly nefarious purposes. "Mossad shark and Zionist vulture" sounds like a great idea for a webcomic, not the name of an encyclopedia article. - Dravecky (talk) 12:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Agree, it is all my limited English you know. May I please ask you to suggest a better name. BTW somebody has started the discussion here.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I see no POV in this article. It simply recounts the facts as they are told by multiply reliable sources. Misplaced Pages is not censored. Broccolo (talk) 19:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article is now nominated for deletion, see: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mossad shark and Zionist vulture, cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Broccolo, it's hard to see anything with your head in the sand. NickCT (talk) 20:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article is now nominated for deletion, see: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Mossad shark and Zionist vulture, cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- The grammar is fixed. The only two opinions used in the article put in quotes. The article is well sourced. Every statement (including the lead) is sourced by at least one, usually more than one RS. The article has never been tagged. If you see some problems, could you please discuss those in specifics on the article talk page, and please consider changing your "decline" to "maybe". If this article appears on the main page, it will sure enough bring more donations to wikipedia.--Mbz1 (talk) 12:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article has been moved to Conspiracy theories involving Israel, an overly-broad name that should probably be renamed again to return the animal-based conspiracy focus to the article (see its talk page), and I have updated links and templates above. - Dravecky (talk) 07:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- According to the consensus reached at the article's talk page I moved it to Animal conspiracy theories involving Israel. I hope this title is to stay.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:22, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Beth Israel Congregation (Washington, Pennsylvania)
- ... that the first rabbi of Beth Israel Congregation of Washington, Pennsylvania served for 50 years?
5x expanded by Jayjg. Self nom at 02:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Dawn Burrell. Jayjg 02:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, sources, and hook all seem fine. (Sorry to be obnoxious, but would you mind checking out my nomination, School House, above? It seems to have gotten overlooked in the turnover to January 6.) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Done! Jayjg 04:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks much. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Done! Jayjg 04:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, sources, and hook all seem fine. (Sorry to be obnoxious, but would you mind checking out my nomination, School House, above? It seems to have gotten overlooked in the turnover to January 6.) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
GTR-18 Smokey Sam
- ... that the GTR-18 rocket (launch pictured), used extensively by the U.S. military, is made using phenolic paper and styrofoam?
- Comment: Reviewed List of Chicago Bears in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 00:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date, hook and picture (nice pic) check out, offline source accepted IGF. Acroterion (talk) 02:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Andreas Parsch, the source for the hook (and article) appears to be a computer programmer; does this really count as a reliable source? Jayjg 02:46, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. The reliability of designation-systems.net has been discussed at WP:MILHIST, and the consensus has been that it is indeed a reliable source for referencing Misplaced Pages articles; hence, it is widely used in the MILHIST project as a reference accordingly. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:57, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'll take your word for that. If MILHIST accepts it, it's good enough for a DYK. Jayjg 04:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Tropical Depression Nineteen (1970)
- ... that a tropical depression in 1970 was the wettest tropical cyclone on record in Puerto Rico?
Created by Hurricanehink and Miss Madeline (talk). Self nom at 05:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm wondering if I can co-nom, since User:Miss Madeline helped a lot with the article. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:01, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Fixed it. - Dravecky (talk) 07:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length, hook ref verified. Images also cleared as well. KimChee (talk) 12:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Dawn Burrell
- ... that long jumper Dawn Burrell (pictured) set a lifetime best to win at the 2001 World Indoor Championships, but suffered an anterior cruciate ligament injury the following month and never again competed internationally?
Created by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 01:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewing Farman F.480 Alizé.
- Length, date, hook all good. Note, this is a 5x expansion, not a new article - nominator, please use the proper template in the future. Jayjg 02:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Gen. Duke
- ... that the American Thoroughbred Gen. Duke was named for the horse that won the Belmont Stakes in 1868 as well as for Confederate General Basil Duke?
Created by Ealdgyth (talk). Self nom at 18:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Roundhill Crescent, see diff Ealdgyth - Talk 18:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Also add link to Basil Duke with Gen. Duke. Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 7
Burrowing Owl Estate
- ... that the Canadian winery Burrowing Owl Estate is named after the endangered Northern Burrowing Owl (pictured) with money collected from tasting fees going to the conservation of the owls?
- Comment: Refs include offline Melander guide (FN#5) but online ref to winery's environmental page (FN#6) can help in verification.
Created by Camw (talk). Nominated by Agne27 (talk) at 22:10, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Republic of China – South Africa relations
- ... that trade between Taiwan and South Africa increased by 67% from 1986 to 1987?
Created by Namiba (talk). Self nom at 04:24, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article is very interesting; the citation involving the hook seems okay. However, I am no judge about the length. The map of South Africa&Taiwan needs to be repair within the article-also I added the templates to the talk page. This in respond to the William Fones article I started and that User:Orlady submitted to DYK. Thanks everyone!RFD (talk) 15:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Roman Lyashenko, Mikhail Donika
- ... that Russian teammates Roman Lyashenko and Mikhail Donika are the only two players in the history of the World Junior Ice Hockey Championships to win a medal of each colour?
- Comment: 5X expansion for both players
5x expanded by Canada Hky (talk). Self nom at 04:15, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: William Caskey Swaim
EADS CASA HC-144 Ocean Sentry
- ... that the US Coast Guard's HC-144 Ocean Sentry aircraft (pictured with MH-53E helicopter) have been used for search-and-rescue, oil spill monitoring, and sea-turtle transport?
- Comment: Reviewed Prostitution in Iran.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 02:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length looks fine, well cited, and all DYK citations are good. I would suggest changing the tag to read "has been used for" rather than "are used for" as from my understanding transporting sea turtles isn't really a primary mission and I only no of one case of it. The tag implies that this is a standard use. Another possible DYK tag could refer to the fact that the propeller-driven HC-144A is replacing the jet-powered HU-25. New Hampshirite (talk) 15:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've tweaked the hook accordingly, thanks. The alternate is interesting, but I think the main hook works better. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Roy Bass
- ... that a human relations award honoring those who promote diversity in employment is named for Roy Bass, who served as mayor of Lubbock, Texas, from 1974-1978?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 02:16, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed: Gen. Duke
Length, date, adequacy of referencing, and referencing of hook look good to me. The only thing I noticed when clicking on a few refs is I'm not sure where the info about his parents comes from? Not apparently from ref. 4, the only one in that para. But that hardly seems like a dealbreaker. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- You are right. The material about his birthplace and parents came from the funeral home. I will add that. Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Gulfstream X-54
- ... that despite being designated as an X-plane by NASA, the agency is otherwise uninvolved in the Gulfstream X-54 project?
- Comment: Reviewed Fort de Dailly.
5x expanded by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 22:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hook confirmed, good to go. Poliocretes (talk) 21:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
James Blake (album)
- ... that despite releasing three EPs in less than a year, most of the material on dubstep producer James Blake's self-titled debut album is brand new?
Created by Fox (talk). Self nom at 21:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed #Chris Swan. Cheers, 狐 FOX 21:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Article date and length and hook length and sourcing check. — AjaxSmack 02:56, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Over the Hedge: Hammy Goes Nuts!
- ... that IGN's Jack DeVries called the Nintendo DS version of Over the Hedge: Hammy Goes Nuts! "a snorefest"?
Created by Nomader (talk). Self nom at 21:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed There Lived Kozyavin. Nomader 21:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose in its current form. I think it could use more explanation, such as why it was called a "snorefest". It doesn't matter than one person called it that, since I'm sure I could find a quote from another non-notable reviewer. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm... IGN's considered to be a reliable source for game reviews, but I see your point. Some Alts:
- ALT1: ... that Over the Hedge: Hammy Goes Nuts! is the second video game to be based on the film Over the Hedge?
- ALT2: ... that the Game Boy Advance, PlayStation Portable, and Nintendo DS versions of the video game Over the Hedge: Hammy Goes Nuts! are all different genres?
- See how these are, they should be a bit better and not just rely on one reviewer's notes. Nomader 04:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
William Caskey Swaim
- ... that actor William Caskey Swaim was drafted as a medic in the Army in 1968 to serve on the island of Okinawa?
Created by Silver seren (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Double-checked/Reviewed Glee: The Music, The Power of Madonna below. Silverseren 21:36, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date and length look good, couple of questions regarding the hook itself - is one drafted as a medic? Also, there are several instances where material is in quotes, and then an inline cite does not appear immediately after, including the hook. Canada Hky (talk) 04:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- The source specifically states that he was drafted. I was just following the word of the references. As for the cites, i've gone ahead and duplicated the reference for the quotes, so it's more clear what source they are from. Silverseren 04:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Good on moving the references, but my concern wasn't with the "drafted", but "drafted as a medic" - my understanding is that one is drafted, undergoes basic training, and then he would have been assigned as a medic later. ie - he wasn't a medic before he was drafted. Canada Hky (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. How about this, then?
- (Alt) ... that actor William Caskey Swaim was drafted into the Army in 1968 and served as a medic during his tour on the island of Okinawa?
- Does that work better? Silverseren 05:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Good to go for Alt Canada Hky (talk) 16:53, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Good on moving the references, but my concern wasn't with the "drafted", but "drafted as a medic" - my understanding is that one is drafted, undergoes basic training, and then he would have been assigned as a medic later. ie - he wasn't a medic before he was drafted. Canada Hky (talk) 05:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- The source specifically states that he was drafted. I was just following the word of the references. As for the cites, i've gone ahead and duplicated the reference for the quotes, so it's more clear what source they are from. Silverseren 04:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Mount Pleasant Road
- ... that the Mount Pleasant Road extension (pictured under construction in 1948) is considered Toronto's first expressway?
Created by Floydian (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Size, references and creation date (moved from user space) all check out. Resolute 00:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Chris Swan
- ... that in November 2010, pest controller Chris Swan bowled the third-best figures for a first class match in the history of the Queensland cricket team?
5x expanded by Mkativerata (talk). Self nom at 20:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Liechtenstein referendum
- (edit conflict × 2) Hook very good (especially the pest controller bit, made me look twice!) and the sources match - the bit about pest controller's a bit odd, as the source doesn't make it clear whether or not he still is in that profession. Length just makes it, 32 bytes over. 狐 FOX 21:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. I added a news source from a few weeks ago that says he's a "pest controller" - that source is contemporaneous with the "third best figures" so at least it is confirmation that he was a pest controller at that time, if not now. BTW I've just made a minor tweak to the hook (for readability) in this edit. --Mkativerata (talk) 21:31, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Fort de Dailly
- ... that in a 1946 incident, three ammunition magazines exploded at the Swiss Fort de Dailly?
Created by Acroterion (talk). Self nom at 19:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've reviewed Stargazy pie. Acroterion (talk) 20:15, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Good to go. Keep up the good work on these Swiss forts! - The Bushranger One ping only 22:03, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Ronnie Mitchell
- ✗... that the Eastenders character Ronnie Mitchell played by Samantha Womack 2011 storyline which included Mitchell swaping two babies was heavily critized by its UK audience?
- ✗ALT:1 the Eastenders character Ronnie Mitchell played by Samantha Womack 2011 storyline which included Mitchell swaping two babies made Womack to quit the series due to her unhappiness with the storyline?
--BabbaQ (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- The article has experienced a expansion since late December. Also a current event so it could be a good DYK.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:51, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- The above hooks are ungrammatical and include typos. Slightly cleaned up versions below. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that a 2011 EastEnders storyline, which included Samantha Womack's character Ronnie Mitchell swapping two babies, was heavily criticized by its UK audience?
- ALT3: ... that Samantha Womack quit the series EastEnders because of her unhappiness with a 2011 storyline in which her character Ronnie Mitchell swapped two babies?
- The recent expansion is nowhere close to the 5x required (it's not even a 1.1x expansion). As the article has 20k of prose, there's virtually no chance of sufficient expansion to become eligible for DYK. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:33, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Season of the Witch (2011 film)
- ... that the newly released film Season of the Witch was scheduled to be released in March 2010, but the original distributor Lionsgate pulled it five weeks before the release date?
5x expanded by Erik (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article state on Jan. 3rd. Please let me know if there is any issue with this hook. Another one may be the changes of studios, from MGM to Columbia to Relativity. Erik (talk | contribs) 18:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed this; hope it is sufficient to have my hook for consideration. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
The Mousehole Cat
- ...
that the 1991 illustrated children's book of the year, called The Mousehole Cat, was based on the legend of the stargazy pie?
Created by Worm That Turned (talk). Self nom at 14:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Have reviewed Monocity above and Glee: The Music, The Power of Madonna below.Worm 14:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- date and length verified, hook supported by source. Minor question: the lead says "first stargazy pie", and I don't find that "first" in the source. I also propose a simpler hook with a direct link to the section mentioned:
- ALT1: ... that the illustrated children's book of the year 1991, The Mousehole Cat, is based on the legend of the stargazy pie? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have removed the "first", as although it is generally though true the source doesnt match and I agree it's better without. Happy with alt hook. Worm 22:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 and main hook are now OK and good to go. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Have struck through original as linking on ALT1 is betterWorm 08:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 and main hook are now OK and good to go. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- I have removed the "first", as although it is generally though true the source doesnt match and I agree it's better without. Happy with alt hook. Worm 22:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Liechtenstein women's suffrage referendum, 1984
- ... that following a referendum in 1984, Liechtenstein became the last country in Europe to grant women the right to vote?
Created by Number 57 (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Everything checks out, and very interesting. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Glee: The Music, The Power of Madonna
- ... that the release of Glee: The Music, The Power of Madonna, also saw a huge increase in Madonna's own catalogue sales?"
5x expanded by Legolas2186 (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- It might just be my maths, but I don't think you've got 5x expansion here. My count of the prose goes from approx 2000 to slightly over 8000. I could be wrong here, but I don't think it meets the criteria. Worm 13:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Is it? I do think it was from 1500 to 8200. I'm sorry if I am making a wrong calculation. — Legolas 15:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I'm not 100% myself (anyone else who's more confident, please do chime in!) but my count for prose (including spaces) was 1981, and with the changes recently you've made you're at 8543.Worm 17:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Is it? I do think it was from 1500 to 8200. I'm sorry if I am making a wrong calculation. — Legolas 15:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I also find that the prose count from this version, including the lede and reception section, totals 1969. The current version totals to 8407, from my count. The total count needs to be 9845, so you are short by 1438 letters. Unless this is something that can be fixed, i'm going to have to say . Silverseren 21:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I can't see any way that the prose count can be increased. So if consensus demotes this from DYK, I'm fine. If I see any way to increase the extra 1000 chars, I will do so and re-submit. — Legolas 11:46, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- It might just be my maths, but I don't think you've got 5x expansion here. My count of the prose goes from approx 2000 to slightly over 8000. I could be wrong here, but I don't think it meets the criteria. Worm 13:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewd Sex toys in People's Republic of China. — Legolas 15:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
LOCAT
- ... that the Low-Cost Aerial Target rocket, constructed from plastic and paper tubing, was intended to provide 50% savings in target practice costs?
- Comment: Reviewed Steele Dunning Historic District.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 05:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length (barely), date and ref. all good. Manxruler (talk) 19:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Sex toys in the People's Republic of China
- ... that the People's Republic of China is the world's top producer of sex toys (Chinese sex shop pictured)?
Created by Neptune 123 (talk). Self nom at 05:03, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I just have one querry. I do believe that the picture should have been a little closer. At present it just looks like any random shop. Please change it. — Legolas 15:23, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Well, there are not much pictures available. Since sex shops are integral part of the sex toy industry, an image of a sex shop of that country is added. --Neptune 123 (talk) 15:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
pyridine, Cornforth reagent
- ... that pyridine is a part of the Cornforth reagent and Crabtree's catalyst?
- Comment: See for Cornforth and for Crabtree. I am slightly short of 5x expansion on pyridine and above 5x on the reagent, please forgive me for this (pyridine is already at 65k+). Materialscientist (talk) 04:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 04:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- The references check out for both, the hook is good and your claims regarding the length are true; I'm OK with letting this one go unless anyone has any objections about the length of pyridine.M.Levin 01:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks (I have reviewed Grigory Potemkin, but it is already promoted. Pyridine expansion shrank to 4.85 after a friendly copyedit, but still close to 5x) Materialscientist (talk) 04:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Steele Dunning Historic District
- ... that the Steele Dunning Historic District (houses pictured) in Bloomington, Indiana, includes two different Sears Modern Homes and a shotgun house?
Created by Nyttend (talk). Self nom at 03:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Appears to check out; intriguing subject. AGF on offline reference. - The Bushranger One ping only 05:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment Reviewed Saint Alkmunds Way Footbridge. Nyttend (talk) 03:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
BOAR (rocket)
- ... that the Bombardment Aircraft Rocket carried a 20 kiloton nuclear warhead, was unguided, and was launched using an "idiot loop" maneuver?
- Comment: Reviewed Cachorro López.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 02:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, length, and image source verified. "Unguided" is mentioned in the lead without a citation, which would be okay under some circumstances, except that it is not mentioned again in the prose of the rest of the article. Also, upon checking the references, there is mention that there has been some confusion between the "Bureau of Ordnance atomic rocket" and the ""bombardment aircraft rocket"; I noticed the 2003 reference by Michel about the "idiot loop" refers to the "Bureau of Ordnance atomic" version. Can you clarify in the article? KimChee (talk) 05:08, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- Huh, I'd totally missed the alternate meaning of the acronym. They're the same rocket, and I've clarified both the name and the guidance (or lack thereof) in the article. Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 05:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- All good now. KimChee (talk) 05:23, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Grammy Award for Best Contemporary R&B Album
- ... that all of Beyoncé Knowles' (pictured) solo albums have been nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Contemporary R&B Album?
Created/expanded by Candoy32 (talk). Self nom at 04:59, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- This is a significant improvement to this article but the prose expansion is only from 470 to 1579 characters of readable prose, just over a 3.3x expansion. The article would need to be further expanded to at least 2350 characters of readable prose (and text in lists and tables is not counted). - Dravecky (talk) 15:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Plexippus paykulli
- ... that the pantropical jumping spider, Plexippus paykulli, (pictured) is highly agile and can cover many times its own body length in a single jump?
Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nom at 19:44, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Reviewed Xeromphalina setulipes
- Length, date, and source checked. - PM800 (talk) 20:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 8
Albert Estopinal, Jr.
- ... that the Louisiana politician Albert Estopinal, Jr., was involved in hurricane relief efforts in his native storm-prone St. Bernard Parish?
Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 05:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Natural dye below. Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Natural dye
- ... that early dyers combined natural dyes with salt, vinegar, natural alum, or stale urine? (naturally-dyed yarn, pictured)
Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 03:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- I believe the hook is too short to tell us much. Can you add a half-line about why such combinations are needed? The article reflects hours of work, and it is well-written, possibly too long. The source for the hook is offline. Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:21, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: I reviewed Nancy McKenzie. - PKM (talk) 03:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Conscience in Art
- ... that the short story "Conscience in Art" has been described as "a pleasant reminder of the inventiveness and cleverness" of author O. Henry?
- Reviewed: William D. Cochran
Created by PM800 (talk). Self nom at 01:42, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good to me (length, hook, and cite check out). Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Player One
- ... that Douglas Coupland's Player One: What Is to Become of Us is the first installment in the Massey Lectures to be a work of fiction?
- Comment: hook comes from first sentence in the "Style" section.
Created by Maclean25 (talk). Self nom at 01:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Confirmed "A Time for Love (Arturo Sandoval album)" hook below. maclean (talk) 01:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Ciudad Hidalgo, Michoacán
- ... that the atrium cross of the 16th century church in Ciudad Hidalgo, Michoacán has an obsidian mirror, which was the symbol of the god Tezcatlipoca ?
5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Narragansett land claim
- ... that Rhode Island Claims Settlement Act extinguished all aboriginal title in Rhode Island (pictured)?
Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Papal conclave, 1740
- Checks out and I'll assume good faith on the offline sources. The image though is of Southern New England so I don't think its suited for this hook, unless you can crop it or something. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Operation Tarngol
- ... that Operation Tarnegol, in which an Israeli Meteor NF.13 (pictured) shot down an Egyptian Ilyushin Il-14, was only made public 32 years after the event?
- Reviewed: Gulfstream X-54
Created/expanded by Poliocretes (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Checked, everything seems set & in point. Candyo32 - Happy New Year :) 01:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Grumman XSBF
- ... that the Grumman XSBF was designed to the same specification that produced the SBD Dauntless of World War II fame?
- Comment: Reviewed Voalavo antsahabensis.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 21:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Derek Robinson (physicist)
- ... that in order to travel to Moscow to study their T-3 fusion reactor, physicist Derek Robinson got married so he would always be "properly accompanied by a reliable person"?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Date, size and source checked. I am sorry, but I have one question. Hook implies that there were no other possibilities for him, other than marrying, to fulfil “a security requirement for UKAEA personnel going behind the Iron Curtain”. Was marrying himself the only option? If that was really the case, than, hook is all right, but if there were other possibilities, then I propose to change part of the hook and change had to get married to got married.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Oops, I forgot to add a note: you're absolutely right, the tense was not needed. Maury Markowitz (talk) 01:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Edward T. Archibald House
- ... that the Edward T. Archibald House (pictured) was home to a man who took "the leading place among flour makers of this country or of the world"?
Created by Bobak (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- I hath reviewed the Confederation Congress Proclamation of 1783.
Date and length verified. Off-line sourcing accepted in good faith from established editor. Nice work. Cbl62 (talk) 19:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Doris (Sailing yacht)
- ... that Doris, a large racing yacht built in 1905, led the 1932 Bermuda Race until light winds undercut its advantages?
Created by Doncram (talk). Self nom at 15:10, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date, and hook verified. However, maybe it would be better if the article was presented in paragraphs instead of individual points. The creator/nominator seems to have more than 5 DYK credits and needs to review another hook before approval. - PM800 (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Voalavo antsahabensis
- ... that the Malagasy rodent Voalavo antsahabensis, which was only described as a species in 2005, is endangered because of slash-and-burn agriculture?
- Reviewed: Jack Landau (judge)
5x expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 13:54, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- AGF on subscription-required sources. Also, tweaked the hook to reflect actual 2005 event. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing that. I think I actually intended to write "discovered in 2002" before I got confused, but I'm also fine with the current wording. Ucucha 21:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Jack Landau (judge)
- ... that Oregon judge Jack Landau attended two different Benjamin Franklin High Schools?
Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Article looks good; hook confirmed. The source is self-published, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for this uncontroversial fact. Ucucha 13:48, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- However, the author has >5 DYK credits, so they'll have to review an article. Ucucha 13:58, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
A Time for Love (Arturo Sandoval album)
- ... that the album A Time for Love recorded by Arturo Sandoval was inspired by trumpeter Bobby Hackett and the album Clifford Brown with Strings?
Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 07:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC). Self nom at 07:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: The Camden News
- Date, size, hook, ref all confirmed. maclean (talk) 01:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Ram (rocket)
- ... that the Ram (pictured on F8F) was the first air-launched rocket to carry a shaped charge warhead?
- Comment: Reviewed The Mousehole Cat.
Created by The Bushranger (talk). Self nom at 06:12, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Reviewed and ready to go. Ruby2010 talk 06:39, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
E. C. Stearns & Company
- ... that at the end of the 19th century, E. C. Stearns & Company was one of the most extensive manufactories of hardware in the United States and was one of the leading manufacturing industries of Syracuse, New York?
Created by Nconwaymicelli (talk). Self nom at 09:00, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good to me; made slight adjustment to hook (bolding and removal of unnecessary comma). Erik (talk | contribs) 16:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hook is too long at 212 characters. I suggest ALT1: ... that at the end of the 19th century, E. C. Stearns & Company was one of the most extensive hardware manufacturers in the USA and was one of the leading manufacturers in Syracuse, New York? - PM800 (talk) 18:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- thats hardly shortened. i suggest:
- ALT2: ... that at the end of the 19th century, E. C. Stearns & Company was one of the leading manufacturers in Syracuse, New York?
- or ALT3: ... that at the end of the 19th century, E. C. Stearns & Company was one of the most extensive hardware manufacturers in the USA?(Lihaas (talk) 23:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)).
- or ALT4: ... that at the end of the 19th century, E. C. Stearns & Company was one of the leading manufactories of hardware in the United States and a leading industry in Syracuse, New York? (Nconwaymicelli (talk) 20:09, 8 January 2011 (UTC)).
Forest of Compiègne
- ... that the Forest of Compiègne was the site of armistice agreements in both the First and the Second World Wars?
5x expanded by SteveStrummer (talk). Self nom at 19:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Nice article! Expansion and hook verified. Nominator has less than 5 DYK credits, so a review is not required. - PM800 (talk) 19:51, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
The Plant List
I nominate The Plant List. Zabanio (talk) 21:32, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
- Creation date is OK. However, the article currently has under 1500 characters of prose and is not long enough. I cannot verify the hook fact because there is no proposed hook. - PM800 (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 9
Cyclopentenone
- ... that Cyclopentenone has been isolated from pressure-cooked pork liver using distillation techniques?
- Comment: I reviewed Cornforth reagent/pyridine
Created by Mdlevin (talk). Self nom at 05:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Stop (Spice Girls song)
- ... that "Stop", the Spice Girls' seventh single, peaked at number two in the United Kingdom, ending their streak of six consecutive number-ones?
5x expanded by Frcm1988 (talk). Self nom at 05:31, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- 5x expansion and hook verified. - PM800 (talk) 05:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Duke Ellington at Fargo, 1940 Live
- ... that Duke Ellington's 1940 live recording At Fargo was "lost" and not officially released until 1978?
- ALT1:that Duke Ellington's 1940 live recording At Fargo was an amateur bootleg not officially released until 1978?
- Reviewed: Polish songs by Frédéric Chopin
Created by AjaxSmack (talk). Self nom at 02:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- The bit about it being lost is never mentioned in the article, and indeed according to the article it circulated for years as a bootleg. Therefore I advise against that hook. As for the other hook, I recommend going back to the article and directly citing the statement that it was a bootleg (it's in NDSU Mag, may be in other sources as well) because otherwise it looks a little like OR. (Also, was it indeed amateur?) Length checks out, but do take a look at this. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Action of December 1669
- ...that engraver Wenceslaus Hollar was an eyewitness to the action of December 1669, where HMS Mary Rose, under the command of Rear-Admiral John Kempthorne, fought off seven Algerine men-of-war?
5x expanded by Roscelese (talk). Self nom at 02:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed "Conscience in Art". Also, for what it's worth, this is an eight- or ninefold expansion, not just fivefold. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Start It Up
- ... that "Start It Up", the series début of Shake It Up is the highest premiere for a Disney Channel series after the 2006 premiere of Hannah Montana ?
Created by Candyo32 (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Comment - Reviewed Operation Tarnegol Candyo32 - Happy New Year :) 01:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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