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Just how accurate Britannica is?

Hello! My English is still bad, so I beg your pardon. I happened to notice your indignation at the errors in the Britannica's history of Lithuanian capital, and decided that I can give you some explanation.

Britannica wrote: "A settlement existed on the site in the 10th century, and the first documentary reference to it dates from 1128". You wrote: "Umh... Where are they getting 10th century from? Archaeological data shows people lived in the area from at least 3rd millennium BC. 1128 is equally mysterious. First mention of Vilnius is in Letters of Gediminas, written in 1323. That's why he is considered to the founder of the city".

By the year 1128 Vilna (in Letters of Gediminas Vilnius it also called Vilna) is mentioned in the ruthenian Voskresensky Chronicle (XVI ct.). Here's my bad translation from Karamzin's history, that contains a retelling of the chronicle: "Vilnyane (people of Vilna - my remarks), fearing Mstislav the Great, conqueror of the Crivia land (Polotsk land), about 1128 obeyed to the Hungarian king, and called them to rule from Constantinople two sons of the former Polotsk Prince Rostislav Rogvolodovich. Fist of them called David, and another Movkold. David became the first Duke of Vilna and was the father of Vit nicknamed Wolf and Erden. Mindovg was born from Movkold (Mindovg was his son).

Nowadays this legend is recognized as a later invention, as well as a legend of Palemonids.

Else I know that in 1378 (or 1377) the Crusaders under the command of Godfrey Linden attacked Vilna and and even did not take the castle, but was burned and devastated much of the city.

You can answer me on this page: ru:Обсуждение участника:Azgar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azgar (talk • contribs) 12:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• You are welcome. Now, this legend, originating from Moscow' Rus, is almost forgotten and not even used by pseudo-historians. If you have any questions with regards to ruthenian sources, Russian, Belarusian or Ukrainian historiography, feel free to contact me. --Azgar (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Picollus

Hi Renata!! I saw you messege on portuguese Misplaced Pages and my apologise the delay... Sure, i will update the article there, count with me. By the way, you can write me on the English Misplaced Pages as well. I´am in the both side...

Best regards, Light Warrior 08:13, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Litvin

What would you say to my "Possible updates"? Rasool-3 (talk) 12:51, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Template:Portal-inline

As you were the one who deleted it, I thought I'd drop you a small note. See Template talk:Portal-inline. Cheers, theFace 20:18, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Ignas Jonynas

On 27 December 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ignas Jonynas, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that diplomat and historian Ignas Jonynas contributed articles to the first universal encyclopedia in the Lithuanian language? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

RB

Hi i saw you help alot of articles from Lithuania I put a request at the Reward board for someone to get Mindaugas II of Lithuania to GA status but i thought you may be interested in it also. Spongie555 (talk) 06:00, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

About some images using (Dėl kelių paveikslėlių panaudos

Labas. Turiu klausimą, ar galima man naudoti tavo sukurtus/perkurtus heraldinius ir kartografinius duomenis svetainėje wikimapia.org (tu esi joje prisiregistravusi). Aš esu tos svetainės moderatorius Profcard ir dalis šių šaltinių labai padėtų projektui, mat trūksta paveikslėlių-failų nuošalesnėse šalies dalyse, o herbai ir žemėlapiukai labai pravers. Atsakymo laukiu wikimapia`oje arba Jaspis (lt) usertalk`e. Asking about heraldic and cartographing image using in wikimapia project. --86.100.205.18 (talk) 18:47, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

FLRC: Municipalities of Lithuania

I have nominated Municipalities of Lithuania for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --Eisfbnore 20:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi R - sorry about the delay in responding; rocky weekend, including major malware attack on the PC. And the week ahead looks to be rocky too. Thoughts on the article later - VG - Novickas (talk) 01:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey - a few $$ to Norton and the plumber later. How would you feel about a rewrite that takes out unreferenced stuff? (I don't completely understand the mapping of the Soviet-era raions onto the munis, but that probably isn't necessary.) Happy Valentine's Day - Novickas (talk) 23:56, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Just to let you know, the lead is coming together in a file on my PC and I think I could put it up tomomorrow. It won't be too different, my hope is that it can serve as a basis for a future article that goes into more depth. What is your opinion about the request that the COAs be converted to pngs? Novickas (talk) 18:10, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Subdwarf star

I am confused by your recent edit to subdwarf star. In the process of fixing an ibid, you removed a lot of content, and even added a stub template. Why? (I'll watch your talk page, so you can keep the conversation here.) James McBride (talk) 06:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I messed up, sorry. Probably mis-clicked on edit while viewing old history to identify where ibid actually belongs. I think all fixed now. Renata (talk) 15:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks! James McBride (talk) 08:06, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Giedraičiai family and Giedroyc

Hallo. I've followed the "OTRS issue" (now verified) about Giedraičiai family and Giedroyc articles because some days ago i've found the copyvio and noticed it. I've seen your revert on Giedraičiai family article per unreliabile source and so i notify that the same content is present on Giedroyc article, that before (this is your version of 24 december) was a "surname disambig" article. I've tried to make a copyedit per layout (of course, an article of Misplaced Pages has a different layout from other websites) but i've tagged it per wikify and onesource. Due to the fact that, as i've understood, you're an expert about this argument (and me really not) and you have still cleaned up Giedroyc article, i left to you this message. Note:

• That big content (including coat of arms) is identical in both articles (1 and 2).
• The version you cleaned up is very similar to the last big inclusion.

Sorry if my English was unclear (i'm not a native speaker) and sorry for this nuisance :-) . Best of regards. --Dэя-Бøяg 14:53, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

GA nom proposal

Just now looked over the new Klaipėda Revolt. Great job of including referenced Good, Bad and Ugly aspects. How would you feel about a GA nom for it? Novickas (talk) 00:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I know what you mean about the incomplete feeling. And then over the weekend the h convinced me that it'd be OK to use work-related access to scholarly sources for WP uses; he says it's no ways different from using any other library source. A two-edged sword. But anyway I'd be more than happy to copyedit it, not that it needs much but you know copyeditors, review what I find, and nom it. Stay warm, Novickas (talk) 01:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification :) you are most kind to describe it as magic. I've been looking over what I can find about the topic, that will take some more days. There's a sentence or two that confused me - can't remember them just now, but probably will later. We have heat :) Novickas (talk) 23:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Seal of Witold Kiejstutowic

Here you are historical background for reconstruction of this seal Mathiasrex (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

And where do the two naked men come from? Better use the actual seal. Renata (talk) 18:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Two savage men are there it`s supporter frequently used not only in medieval heraldry see grand coat of arms of Kingdom of Prussia. Mathiasrex (talk) 18:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

There are dozens of possible supporters - griffins, lions, bull, angels, etc etc. Is there any proof that the savage men were ever used by Vytautas? I oppose any use of such fictionalized "reconstructed" arms, especially since 1) its sources are completely not documented on the image description page and 2) authentic seals are available. Renata (talk) 00:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

See there are savage men in this original seal (very small it`s true) and this svg image is described as contemporary reconstruction. Mathiasrex (talk) 07:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Trade data map

Hi Renata the third,

You advised me that in the file File:Key export markets.png the font colors for EU and USA are reversed.

I have gone back to the image - I cannot find a problem.

• in both maps, for countries where the US is the #1 importer/exporter I have painted it dark blue
• in both maps, for countries where the EU is the #1 importer/exporter I have painted it light blue
• for example, in File:Key export markets.png Suriname is painted dark blue because its leading export market is the EU, and in File:Key import sources.png Suriname is painted light blue because the EU provides more imports than any other source.

Does the image appear differently to how I describe it on your screen? Otherwise do you think my explanation to readers is not clear?

Kransky (talk) 08:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Let me see

Hi Renata! Caught your message amidst my edits; let me see your diff. Stand by for the reply, please! Cherurbino (talk) 17:19, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Answer: I meant that this link returns nothing more that a title of a book: Google Books does not allow to see the scans from the pages. Personally I am very dissatisfied with such a policy of Google — for this reason very often I cannot quote in Misplaced Pages a book which I physically have before my eyes.

However just in this case everything is not so bad. On one hand, there was an abundance of footnotes to the same statement — is also not appreciated here. I deleted 3 of them as not verifiable; however the fourth one may be used as a support to the statement that "Finland is a Baltic state". Beleive me: I'm not against this statement ! But as for me, I consider the membership of Finland in the CBSS to be much more, how to say, "proofy", than the quotations from the secondary publicistic sources.

Please feel yourself free to ask me further questions, if any. Cheers, Cherurbino (talk) 17:34, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Dear Renata! When you speak that I was "too quick to … pull out the ax" I feel myself deeply embarrased, for the image of Raskolnikov begins to haunt me. Russian mentality, you see… I'm not so bloodthirsty in my life, and being a butcher in your eyes is not an honor for me. So let me assure and remind you again, that — no matter how contradictory may the rules be (and WP:SOURCEACCESS is mutually exclusive with certain other WP:V requirements — let's put this issue aside for the next Wikiconference) — the ultimate reason for taking out an ax (uh!) was: "one footnote is quite enough to support a simple statement". Four, and even two is redundant. So, amongst those four I chose a single one which was the most affordable. Sorry if I may have created an obstacle to promote that or another specific author — hope that all four were equally valuable to be mentioned in a footnote. — Best regards, Cherurbino (talk) 00:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Polonization

Sveiki. Gal galėtumėte atkreipti dėmesį į straipsnį Evelina Sašenko? Ten lenkai vis prideda nesusijusių kategorijų ir bando lenkų kilmės atlikėją padaryti "Lenkijos atlikėja". Hugo.arg (talk) 17:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Chairmen of the Supreme Soviet

• Hrllo Renata! I don't mind that you have merged my article about the Chairmen of the Supreme soviet. I have added the dates when they took and left office, which you - for some unknown reason - have omitted. The reason why I have got in touch with you, is that you have written that Vladas Niunka took office in 1955. My two sources leave that open. Do you have a source that confirms that Niunka took office in 1955, please let me know. It is, however, correct that Lionginas Šeetys left office in 1990 instead of 1989, which I wrote. Have a nice day. Best wishes Mbakkel2 10:49, 2 March 2011 (CET)

Chairmen of the Supreme Soviet (again)

• Hello again Renata! Thank you very much for your work with the deputy speakers of the Seimas and also thank you very much for informing me about n-dash. I did not know that. But once again I must ask you: Do you have a source that confirms that Vladas Niunka took office as Supreme Soviet chairman in 1955? My two sources don't. The only mentioned that he left office in 1963. Pleae give me a reply. Best wishes! Mbakkel2 07:19, March 4, 2011 (CET)

Ok, I am at a loss

I know this is a difficult subject but I am really at a loss as to why such removal of Polish names from the lede, such as here, is necessary. Why does it matter so much? For comparison look at this guy's contribution's . Something like 80% of all his edits involve adding German names to Polish places, some of which are villages with less than 200 people. Yet, no Polish editor freaks out about it, or continuously reverts him, or even bothers him. Hell, some of us actually think that those additions of German names might actually constitute useful information. But when a Polish name gets put into a Lithuanian place that has some kind of connection to Poland, the usual crew of Dr. Dan, Lokyz and MK automatically show up and start a big fight. And now you're enabling them - let's not pretend that moving "Święciany" to a "Names" section is anything but an attempt to downplay it as much as possible, that would be insulting both our intelligences. Personally I don't care if there are German or Lithuanian names in articles on Polish places, but what does bother me is this insane double standard. Herkus spends most of his time putting in German names into Polish places and that's par for the course. A Polish name gets put into a Lithuanian place and you get Dr. Dan attacking people and calling them "nationalist trolls". Either/or. What pisses me off is the double standard. Of course what makes matter worse is that those same Lithuanian editors show up at any kind of Polish/German naming disputes and argue for the inclusion of German names. And then they turn around and show up at Polish/Lithuanian naming disputes and argue for the exclusion of Polish names. Usually using the opposite arguments they just made a second or two ago. There's no way to describe it except as mind-numbing hypocrisy and phoniness. Don't be like them, I know you're better than that. But sorry, until this gets resolved you can't have it both ways. If a place in Lithuania has a strong connection to Poland then it should have the Polish name as an alternative name. Barring that you can try and have the standard Misplaced Pages naming conventions changed, and a good place to start would be to revert inclusion of German names in Polish places. To be explicit, at the risk of being... well, explicit, which is sometimes frowned upon on Misplaced Pages, there is a matter of intellectual honesty here. I'm putting Święciany back in.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:47, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, but since my name is being bantered about here, let me be clearer about my position concerning the matter. Personally, places on the border like Druskininkai, and the like, are fine with me. When you want to polonize Lithuanian villages like Burbiškis (pop. 7) on English Misplaced Pages on a basis like this , enough is enough. We went through this with Alytus (pop. 30,000) because of a claimed Polish population of 700 people. We went through this with neighborhoods in "Wilno" culminating with not only needing to put Polish toponyms there but even placing them in the bylines under photographs (edit summary: "important information restored"). Now you complain about a "trio" who has legitimate concerns about a chauvinistic agenda illustrated by remarks such as this. The operative word being "belonged" and some fantasy that Lithuania is merely a "province of Poland" that some how got away, but will return to the fold if enough people are "educated" about it. It was predicted, after the lifting of the restrictions following your "sabbatical" that this nonsense would start up all over again. That's unfortunate. What's more unfortunate is that the number of Lithuanian contributors to English Misplaced Pages is very small, much smaller than German and Russian contributors. You've had your share of similar altercations with them, it's just that there are many more of them to deal with and a harder nut to crack. There is nothing more than I would like than allowing everyone to spend less time with these squabbles. The simple solution is to stop including Polish variants of Lithuania cities, towns, villages, hamlets, neighborhoods and especially people, often on the most flimsiest and undue pretext. Doing so on the basis of someone living in a village for two years is absurd. I'm not here to give either of you a history lesson, but for God's sake let's be real enough to acknowledge that too many Lithuanians on English Misplaced Pages are being denied their heritage by your group. There were attempts to polonize Lithuania and to russify Lithuania. That was then and this is now. Please stop trying to continue with the former policy. Best wishes. Dr. Dan (talk) 07:48, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Dan, nobody is trying to polonize anything. Poland and Lithuania are tied together through its common history either you like it or not. Lithuania has endless places and people historically connected to Poland and you have to live with it. You just removed a Polish name ] (and this is just one example I'm presenting here but there are hundreds more examples of such behaviour) from the article about the village that was founded by a famous Pole, it was on Polish-Lithunian or Polish territory for hundreds of years and where one of the greatest Poles was born. Why did you do it? Removal of this information did not make the article any better and is in contrast with WP:NCGN. I have been waiting for a while to bring this problem into attention of the administrators but maybe now is a good time to do it. We either stick to WP:NCGN or change the rules for all the articles on Misplaced Pages.--Jacurek (talk) 09:10, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Look, the common history issue is one thing and your erroneous belief that Lithuania belonged to the Polish state as illustrated by that remark is another. You are mistaken. And that's probably the heart of the matter. And the common history issue would not lend itself to edits like this either. Please don't try to hide behind some policy that is much broader than you are attempting to twist it into. Like the recent example claiming that the WP:NCGN policy covers Makuszyński's having lived in Burbiškis for two years as a reasonable rationale for placing the Polish toponym in its lead. You say that you could cite hundreds of more examples of behavior that upset you. You may be surprised that I could do the same. In any case, I doubt that this talk page is the best place to do that. You've already mentioned, several times, that you plan to take the matter to an appropriate forum. Just do it. And regarding that famous "Pole", please read up on him. I mean some serious detailed history about him and who he and his family were and where they originated from. Maybe you'll come across his irking Dmowski and company when he stated that he was a Lithuanian in the Polish Sejm. Dr. Dan (talk) 16:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Renata3, as a Lithuanian administrator perhaps you can find a solution to this bizarre behaviour of these three editors (Dr. Dan, Lokyz and MK) before it goes any further. Looking at Dan's comments above I'm under impression that his motives are not to improve the article by giving the readers as much information as possible but to prevent Lithuania from being "polonized". WP:NCGN policy is clear and it applies to all articles on Misplaced Pages. --Jacurek (talk) 17:37, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Guys, keep it cool. Renata is following Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (geographic names) correctly: "Alternatively, all alternative names can be moved to and explained in a "Names" or "Etymology" section immediately following the lead" and "Once such a section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line.". Now, I personally am fine with alt name being both in the lead and dedicated section (quickly looking at big Polish cities I see that Kraków, Wrocław and Gdańsk have both, for example, and nobody is challenging that), but please assume good faith toward her. And if you think that this policy is causing confusion, suggest word change at policy talk page. This dates to the very early days we were designing NPGN and as far as I can tell the wording was introduced by no other than myself (). Now, few years down the road, I'd support changing the wording if it is problematic, but please, note that Renata is simply following the rules. PS. "the redundant list of the names in the article's first line should be replaced by a link to the section phrased, for example: "(known also by several alternative names)". PPS. Renata, I'd appreciate it if you could try to moderate some editors who instead of following the policy simply remove the name from the article altogether. Their behavior is less then helpful, I am afraid. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:23, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

n-dash

• Hello. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what your mean. Can your please demonstrate it for me on my talk page. Please tell me about your source concenring Niunka. Mbakkel2 19:16, 5 March 2011 (CET)