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Please help me with Radio Maryja

http://en.wikipedia.org/Radio_Maryja I have expanded it with issues of antisemitism (this is the largest and strongest Polish racist nationalwide radio station), but someone is always erasing everything I have added or reverted and his explanations are not really helpful- he tends to say that I am biased when writing about antisemitism. I am new to[REDACTED] and cannot do much about it. Please help. Moa anbessa 19:25, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Watchlisted. My polish is poor, but it looks like the polish article (as well as the czech article) include the anti-semitic references (the WTC myth, for example), so adding sources for the statements would be a good start. Ronabop 04:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

The Polish article has extreme anti-clerical overtones to it, and that is how it was translated into Czech, as well as English. I will guard the article's NPOV and prevent it from becoming another arena for spewing falsitudes at the radio. BTW, tattle-tailing in Anti-Semitism made me laugh :)- clever idea. Cheers. Ksenon 11:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Isn't Semitism an antisemetic concept? So surely the use of the hyphenated anti-semitic assumes that there is a semitic, so shouldn't we use the spelling 'antisemitic'?

First (two) sentence(s) skewed?

It begins:

"The Jews in Germany were subject to many persecutions as well as brief times of tolerance. By the early 20th century, the Jews of Germany were the most integrated in Europe..."

The first sentence makes it sound as if anti-Jewish persecution in Germany has been the historical norm, punctuated only by short-lived (and temporary) respites. Yet, if the Jews of Germany were the most integrated in Europe, as the following sentence asserts, presumably that would have taken a considerable amount of time (a people cannot become well-integrated in a very short period of time).

Perhaps the first sentence should be reworded, along the lines of: "Jews in Germany have been subject to numerous persecutions as well as extended periods of tolerance."--Critic9328 04:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

It was a pretty up-and-down experience, with a lot more down than up, I think that the phrasing is generally accurate. From History of the Jews in Germany on the 19th century: "Napoleon emancipated the Jews across Europe, but with Napoleon's fall in 1815, growing nationalism resulted in increasing repression. In 1819, Hep! Hep! Riots (from the Latin Hierosolyma est perdita--"Jerusalem is lost"--the rallying cry of the Crusaders), destroyed Jewish property and killed many Jews. The revolution of 1848 swung the pendulum back towards freedom for the Jews, but the financial crisis of 1873 created another era of prejudice and repression." --Goodoldpolonius2 04:49, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Did the Nazis really criticize Jews from a religious perspective?

Considering the extent to which the Nazis were anti-Christian? Are there citations for these statements?

--Critic9328 04:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

From ReligiousTolerance.org: "Hitler re-used the blood-libel myth as justification for the Holocaust. The Nazi periodical, Der Stürmer, often published special issues devoted to allegations of ritual murder by Jews. Hitler had asked that a propaganda film be made of the 1840 Damascus case. World War II ended before it could be made." But I agree that more sources are needed here. --Goodoldpolonius2 04:53, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Using rumours about ritual murder by Jews does not constitute criticism from a religious perspective, even if these rumours also accompanied the older, more religious kind of anti-Semitism. The Nazis selectively used religious motifs in their propaganda, such as exploiting the old religious anti-Semitism to a certain extent, or calling Christians for a crusade against atheist communism. In fact, most of the Germans who were swimming with the Nazis' tide back then considered themselves Christians. However, the Nazi ideology and leadership were evidently anti-Christian, and to say that the Nazis even had any religious perspective (safe for some vague neo-pagan leanings) is highly misleading. --Thorsten1 23:21, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Most anti-Semitism is not the result of actual religious criticism but bizarre stawmen, blood libels and other mayhem. Clearly it is some internalised fear projected on Jews. No more. JFW | T@lk 23:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ancient Anti-Judaism

My sense is this recent addition very much dilutes and counters the meaning of the article overall: Jews are first portrayed as an oppressed people in Egypt. Subsequently, the Book of Esther tells about Haman, who seeks to destroy the Jews. The Books of the Maccabees recount the attempt to impose Greek religious ideas upon Jews. In 'Against Flaccus', Philo of Alexandria writes of an attack on Jews in the city of Alexandria about 38 CE. This last event is perhaps the most clearly religious in character.

Inorder to address POV, the first would require biblical references showing intolerance against non-Jewish groups. The second would require explaining that the Maccabees were attacking mostly Jews. The third would require a long explanation of commericial and cultural competition with violence and hate speech by more than one side.DaveHM 20:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Syrian edition of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

It says under a picture of a an Arabic book cover: 2005 Syrian edition of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion authorized by the Syrian Ministry of Information was featured at the Cairo International Book Fair

There are two reasons I'm against this: 1- It contains implicit criticism of the Syrian government (authorized by the Syrian MOI...). Misplaced Pages shouldn't pick and choose which details about a certain picture to include in the caption, especially if they're biased. 2- The title of the book does NOT say it is the 'Syrian edition of The PEZ'. The exact translation is: 'Lights on the the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (Complete Texts). An Historical and Contemporary Investigative Study.' by Raja Abdulhamid Orabi. Published by the Syrian publisher 'Dar al-Awael'. --Fjmustak 00:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

This question has been answered at Talk:The Protocols of the Elders of Zion#Syrian edition of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, no need to cross-post. ←Humus sapiens 08:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Causes?...

I think the article needs to have more discussion about the different root-causes that have been proposed for anti-semitism. Has prejudice against the Jews for most of their history been more than that against other groups of people who have lived as religious and/or ethnic minorities? If so, then why?...

The AISH link at the end of the article seems to do a fairly good job of debunking most of the common explainations (showing that they're either just symptoms or excuses, but its conclusion is probably not acceptable to most accademics, or pretty much anyone who's not a pretty hard-core religious and nationalist Jew.

So then if we eliminate the AISH theory that people hate Jews because they're morally superior, and we eliminate the anti-semitic theory that they're sinister and evil, then what are we left with? I think this article should try and go into some depth and explore the different views on this issue.

Well, an article shouldn't explore views, that is original research. If someone else has explored the different views, go ahead and cite them. But in general hate is an emotion, and emotions are not often subject to rational explanations. Ruby 22:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Antisemitism people Category

Please see Category:Antisemitism (People) ] and vote here].Doright 03:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Please help with I. M. Vinogradov

An apparent newbie is getting close to the WP:3RR vio in an attempt to remove a reference substantiating the anti-semitic (and not only anti-semitic) activities of the late I. M. Vinogradov, refusing to talk via the talk page. I'm going off to sleep, and ask to watchlist the article, and help to polish the edit conflict section to as encyclopaedic and neutral version as possible. TIA, --BACbKA 23:55, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Help

I STILL don't understand, after searching the web for numerous times, how do they even justify their hatred? Please, someone, tell me... it doesn't even read where "anti-semitism" started from --84.249.252.211 13:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

See history of anti-semitism. Superm401 - Talk 02:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Envy. RJII 20:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Examples

For more examples of Anti-Semitism, follow the repeated attemps of some Wikipedians to re-introduce the racist use of the word "Aryan" into Misplaced Pages. Follow the discussions here and see examples on the following articles: Persian people, Tajik people, Iranian peoples, Aryan, and Indo-Iranians. Your help would be appreciated. Aucaman 03:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)