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RfC

I'm ready to proceed with the RfC, if you're willing to co-certify. Thanks for your assistance with this. ScottyBerg (talk) 13:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Pressed for time IRL this morning. I'll leave you a message on your talk page this afternoon (approx 4 hours), then we can go from there. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

To be frank, I might have responded differently to your question in the ANI had I read DGG's post in the ANI, which came a few hours after it was hatted. A short block of this editor for any/all of the misconduct discussed - the canvasssing, the wall of dishonor, the misuse of tools - would save everyone a great deal of time and trouble, and would have the same impact as a lengthy RfC. At this point I must tell you that I am totally confused how to proceed, or even if it is to be an RFC/U or an RFC/Admin. I am willing, as an alternative, to reopen the ANI discussion to discuss a short block, which in my view would be more merciful for all concerned. However, if that is not possible, I'm willing to go on with the RfC. ScottyBerg (talk) 13:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I brought DGG's post to the attention of Doug, who hatted the discussion, and he unhatted it. (Just to correct what I said earlier, I do believe DGG's post came before, not after, the discussion was hatted.) If we can find a consensus on a short block, which is within the purview of the ANI, that would be a satisfactory resolution in my view and would be best for all concerned. Failing that, we can proceed with the RfC, which I've begun drafting on a subpage. I see know that an RFC-Admin is the place to go. ScottyBerg (talk) 14:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• (copy of my comment at ANI just now) You know what? I'm out. Reopening the ANI thread, talks of blocking, someone else running to Jimbo's talk page, everyone interested in their pound of flesh more than in solving a problem... I want no part of it. I'm not going to co-certify anything. I was interested in seeing if we could take one problem and try to solve it like calm, rational grownups. It is obvious we can't. If this is just going to be bread and circuses, I've got better things to do. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:46, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
  • As per below except more amish, thanks for trying, and both doing so and backing out reflect well on you. Can we just pagemove the notice board to "Bread and Circuses"? - Aaron Brenneman (talk) 15:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for trying

		Civility Award
		For your valiant attempt to resolve this issue using civility and logic, here's a Civility Barnstar! Thanks for bringing a small touch of sanity to my daily AN/I lurking.  Cjmclark  15:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Cjmclark and Aaron B, thanks for the kind words. With hindsight, I feel sort of foolish for thinking something productive could come from an ANI discussion. I really do know better, I'm not some noob. If I was wise, I'd unwatchlist it again. Anyway, I appreciate your coming here. Cheers. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for this; I laughed when I read it. (Not watching this page) WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

If you aren't watching the page should I still say "glad you liked it"? Just to be safe, I'll assume the answer is "yes". Glad you liked it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

He deserved to die?

] Santiago deserved to die? Gerardw (talk) 23:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

His death, while tragic, probably saved lives...--Floquenbeam (talk) 01:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

See here also. Some of us are just a little farther along toward that eventuality than others. MastCell  23:37, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That path is starting to hold a strange attraction for me. One of your more insightful observations. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:18, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Personally, my exit strategy for when I reached the point of no return was to just lend Orangemarlin my password and sit back with some popcorn. May have to come up with a Plan B, though. MastCell  04:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Unblock

Thanks much. Does this need to be acknowledged at the EW noticeboard, or is everything that needs to be done done? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:47, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

You know, I don't really know. I'll leave a note there, and people who hang out at that board will know what to do. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:49, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Go and sin no more. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hmm?

I think you acted fairly poorly here, to be honest. And I imagine he might take a wee bit of offense at being called a vandal just now. This probably is a discussion better had at one of our talk pages; if you'd like some more feedback, let me know, if not I'll shut up now and keep the rest of it to myself.

I apologized for the vandal comment, I wasn't trying to call him a vandal, just saying that my reverting disruptive edits of that fashion is like my vandalism prevention mode or such. I oughta watch how I use that comment.

As for the acting poorly, I reverted an edit twice supporting community consensus to close the discussion, noticed his unblock request after he was blocked, and posted my feelings about it. I don't follow; what is so poor about that? CycloneGU (talk) 23:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps it isn't fair to single you out; to some extent, you were mirroring what I consider to be poor behavior that is extraordinarily common at ANI. Still, since I seem to have successfully tricked you into coming here and asking my opinion...

• Forget using "enforcing the rules" as a reason; why was it important that the thread be closed? In general, it's kind of poor form to smack someone down when they're asking for help, even if several people agree that nothing needs to be done.
• If, for the moment, we agreed it should be closed, why a "hat" and not an "archive"? If you put yourself in his shoes, can you see how that might feel insulting?
• You kind of treated this like a war, and Tom as Someone Who Must Be Stopped; I won't go find diffs, but if you look at your comments at ANI, Tarc's page, and Tom's page, there's an awful lot of pseudo-lecturing and pseudo-gloating going on.
• You got involved in something you admitted you hadn't even looked into. I suggest this is a bad habit to get into. A little investigation is always a good idea.

That's just off the top of my head. Not that you're evil, of course, and like I said you aren't alone on ANI, but I just would like to see people treat other editors more like humans and less like adversaries, or prey. </sermon> --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I happened to see in my watchlist one of the revisions and that got my attention (I update my watchlist frequently lately having created the South Sudan WikiProject and doing my part to help get that off the ground - even though I live in Canada). I probably should have looked first - I usually do - but by the time I saw it, it had appeared the community decided the discussion was necessary to be closed. As for why hats and not archive; I used the judgment of a prior editor in leaving it as a hat (I also haven't yet mastered how to archive something properly outside of copying archive code from another page).

I do disagree though on treating it like a war; if you want a war, look into the months-long Pending Changes debacle. THAT was a war. This was an editor who by all appearances was defying a community consensus (yes, I read the discussion first), and I merely supported the community consensus. In general, an editor should know by then that another venue should be explored; he could have perhaps simply posted under the hat asking what the right venue for the discussion would be, but instead by continuing to reopen the discussion gave an appearance of someone uncivil and not willing to follow consensus. I'm sure there are many admins. who might have acted like I did there if they didn't know the user, so I don't necessarily feel bad about my actions there. Does that mean there isn't room for improvement? No, I'm always trying to do that. =) CycloneGU (talk) 23:29, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

User_talk:Fastily#1RR_sanction_lifted_on_Abortion-related_articles.3F

Hi there. I was wondering if you could help me explain to a user that Roscelese did not a perform a 1RR violation at User_talk:Fastily#1RR_sanction_lifted_on_Abortion-related_articles.3F. I tried to explain it, but now I feel I'm just confusing myself. Your input would be appreciated. -FASTILY 06:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I've commented there. --Floquenbeam (talk) 11:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Great! Thanks, FASTILY 18:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)