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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on July 5

Messiah Part III

• ... that in Handel's oratorio Messiah, Part III closes with the chorus "Worthy is the Lamb" (pictured), on text from the Book of Revelation, and an extended Amen fugue?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 21:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: Octagon Chapel, Liverpool --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
• reviewed article appeared --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

second paragraph of "overview" has no ref, refs don't appear after facts in the nomination. Otherwise, nice work. PumpkinSky talk 00:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking! The refs for the whole article are the scores and Wikisource, how do I reference that? The second paragraph is a summary of what you see in the table and an explanation of common music terms which appear later, same question. - It would make sense to treat Part I first, nominated below, then Part II, nominated 12 July, then this. I will not be available for most of the weekend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Is this the standard for music articles? Are the others done like that? I was just going by what I've read in the rules, that all paragraphs in a DYK article need a reference.PumpkinSky talk 10:49, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

It's not the standard for DYK or for Misplaced Pages. Using the primary text of a musical work as the principal source means that any summary text will be "original research" and fall afoul of WP:NOR. What we need are citations from secondary sources that discuss the work, and that's true whether you're talking about DYK nominations or about Misplaced Pages as a whole. --EncycloPetey (talk) 17:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

One thing for sure, there is inconsistency in the way this is handled at DYK. PumpkinSky talk 11:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Various comments: if Wikisource says that Worthy is the Lamb is from Revelation, I can't see why that is "Original research". If a look at the score shows that "Amen" is on several pages, and the entries are one after the other, which is called a fugue, I don't see "Original research". I only tried to translate things from the score to English, as I would translate from a German source to English. - I could look for others who found the same things, but give me some time. Anyway - next after "Structure", to appear tomorrow, and "Part I" should be Part II. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

  You may want to read WP:NOR to see what is considered "original research" for Misplaced Pages. It is not the same as what the general public might think, as it is a particular policy. If you interpret data, that's original research. If you translate sentences from one language to another, that's not the same thing, as you are merely changing the content's language, and not its form. If I interpret graphs or data into sentences, I am converting the form, and inferring connections that are not explicitly spelled out in the source. In my own field of botany, it means that I can't combine a list of western states where a plant grows and a list of eastern states where that plant grows and then draw the conclusion that the plant grows in every state except Hawaii. That's a synthetic statement not present in either of the sources. Yes, it's sometimes a dumb policy, but it is usually a good thing and it is WP policy. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• I agree that a few more things should be cited (or the Overview could be shrunk). But WP:NOR should not apply to a simple description of facts obvious to a music-reader, any more than it is OR to name the colors in a painting or describe the slope of a graph. We should be able to extrapolate from the exceptions made in WP:NOR for Misplaced Pages:Nor#Translations_and_transcriptions and routine calculations. Sharktopus 01:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Going to work on it. This is one of four articles as a background for Handel's Messiah, up for Peer review, - separate because it seemed too much for one. So plenty of the overview is just a repeat from there, which shouldn't be too short, to make this article a stand-alone. (It's easy to get lost in Messiah.) Part III should look similar to the other three, I would say. Will be back telling you to look again, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Refs added, bible sources included, also some supporting external links. The facts taken from the score are mostly - even in the score - words in English which everybody should be able to follow, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

and agree with Sharktopus. PumpkinSky talk 01:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Messiah Part I

• ... that the Annunciation to the Shepherds (pictured) in Handel's Messiah, Part I, is the only scene from a Gospel in the oratorio?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 15:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: Church of St. Nikolaus, Lockenhaus --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed article appeared --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length verified, off-line reference accepted in good faith. Just one little thing, in the article it says The only true scene of the oratorio ..., in the hook, true is omitted. Any importance in that? Good to go otherwise. Calistemon (talk) 05:46, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• I learned to keep DYK as simple as possible. In the article, it is explained that the librettist organized the whole text in what he called "scenes", of which only (the) one is a scene as it is normally understood. In the hook, that would be tricky to explain, therefore I find it sufficient to leave it as is, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

On Becoming Baby Wise

• ... that the parenting book On Becoming Baby Wise tells parents to put their infant down to sleep while he is awake?

• Reviewed: Classical compass winds ()
• Comment: DYK check returns a negative for 5x expansion, but this article is currently at 9952 characters of readable prose, expanded from 1743 characters as it stood on June 16. Five times 1743 is 8715, so clearly 9952 is beyond 5x. There were times in the past, for instance in February 2008, that the article was as large 36,183 characters, but those versions were copyright violations, text dumps of online articles, full of POV attacks, POV promotion, BLP concerns and unsupported statements. Since May 2008, the article has never been above 1830 characters. The current version is over 5x expansion and what I consider a fair representation of the topic.

5x expanded by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 22:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

• Source and copyvio spotcheck shows that this paragraph:

  "In the late 1960s, Gary Ezzo studied at Mohawk Valley Community College in New York state, but he did not earn a degree. In 1983, Ezzo enrolled full-time at Talbot School of Theology in a program aimed at giving a Master of Arts degree in Christian ministry to people who did not hold a lower degree, but had been active in ministry for two years. In 1984, Ezzo and his wife Anne Marie Ezzo began teaching parenting classes at Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California; a 10,000-member megachurch for evangelical Christians"

  fails source verification. In other words, not everything in the paragraph is in the source. Don't forget the information added to articles must be verified by sources. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 03:06, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Right you are! I added three sources covering the 1983 enrollment at Talbot and the 1985 MA degree. One of the three sources (Tulsa Kids magazine) conflates the dates, putting the degree at 1983, but the archived URL written by Ezzo himself says he got the degree in '85. Binksternet (talk) 23:01, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• - Thanks for adding the sources. I haven't checked the rest of the page, but prob good to go now. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:17, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 6

Australia at the 1996 Summer Paralympics

• ... that disabled swimmer Priya Cooper won five gold medals for Australia at the 1996 Summer Paralympics?

Created by LauraHale (talk). Nominated by John Vandenberg (talk) at 10:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Note that Priya Cooper was also expanded from 657 characters (118 words) to 3714 characters (637 words), and the image is the first of an Australian paralypmian at a games, donated by the Australian Paralympic Committee. --John Vandenberg 10:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• The OTRS stamp has been given to these images. John Vandenberg 06:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Pls address the many {{Expand section}} tags in Australia at the 1996 Summer Paralympics article before an emboldened link to this obviously unfinished wikipage can get onto MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 07:36, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Selman Riza

• ... that Selman Riza's 1952 work on Serbo-Croatian grammar is regarded as a work of contrastive analysis, although the theory was formulated five years later by Robert Lado?

• Reviewed: Constituencies for French residents overseas ()

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 19:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I added the word "grammar" which appeared to be missing from the hook. This mirrors what the article says. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 23:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• Article is new and long enough, although it is always disappointing to see every paragraph under a separate section header.

  The only problem holding back this nomination is citing the hook. The article cites an on-line German source (read and understood enough) that documents the first half of the hook, but not the end of the hook. that is, we have a verified citation that his Serbo-Croatian grammar is regarded as a work of contrastive analysis, but none for the later formulation of the theory by Robert Lado. If a citation for the latter fact can be foound and inserted into the article at the appropriate location, then this nomination should be ready to go. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't mention Robert Lado, but only that the theory wasn't formulated at that time. It's not directly stated in the source as Lado is not its subject but he was the scholar who formulated it.--— ZjarriRrethues —  01:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

If the facts in the proposed hook are not cited in the article, you'll have to rewrite the hook. DYK requires information in the hook to be cited in the article. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 7

Brett Geymann

• ... that Louisiana State Rep. Brett Geymann once sought a legislative remedy for crawfish being pushed into neighboring ditches because of rising waters?

ALT ... that Louisiana State Rep. Brett Geymann of Lake Charles authored a rule in 2011 which prevents his state from using one-time money to balance the budget?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:46, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Benito Juárez, D.F.

Edward Baigent

• ... that Edward Baigent, later a New Zealand Member of Parliament, reputedly slept under the 'Baigent sleeping tree', a large tōtara near Wakefield, when he first came to the area?

• Reviewed: Elections in Pichilemu (diff)
• Comment: The review is from some time ago.

5x expanded by Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 05:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• I've just added to the article the interesting fact that the school set up by his wife is these days the oldest continuously operating school in New Zealand. It's referenced to the school's website, but I haven't been able to find an independent source for this claim as yet. If I do (or somebody else does), it would make a more interesting hook fact. Schwede66 05:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• Ok, found an independent source. Schwede66 05:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1... that the school started in 1843 by Edward Baigent's wife at their home in Wakefield is today New Zealand's oldest public school?

Articles created/expanded on July 8

Glenn Doughty

• ... that Glenn Doughty rushed for 327 yards in his first two college football games for the 1969 Michigan Wolverines and later played 8 years for the Baltimore Colts?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Llanwrthwl. See diff. Cbl62 (talk) 05:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Couple of issues here. The first is that the figure given in the hook is wrong. Adding up his yards from the first two games according to the article gives 329 yards, and one of the sources also gives that number. Second, how is the information being obtained from reference 2 (the search page on the Michigan website)? For fact-checkers, I think it would be beneficial to have a note in your cite saying what the search parameters need to be. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:32, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Shinyo Maru Incident

• ... that the World War II commander of the Japanese tanker SS Shinyo Maru (pictured) told POWs held on his ship that he would order the guards to kill them if the Allies fired upon the ship?

Created by $1LENCE D00600D (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 12:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment: But murdering POWs was routine for the Japanese. What was their reaction to the Hiroshima bomb? Take the surviving POW, and kill him in the street. They probably didn't tie him up with barbed wire first, at least, so he got off lucky. Varlaam (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

The Japanese in World War II made the Nazis look like the Care Bears. Varlaam (talk)

The article is fine, inline sources check out, but I am concerned that the sources make it abundantly clear the Japanese commander (who is unidentified) did not tell the prisoners anything, nor under the conditions described is it likely he would. The survivors say the first thing they knew was when troops threw grenades on them moments before the torpedoes hit. They did not have any information, it would appear, about anything outside the hold where they were crammed together. The hook has to stick to the fact that the prisoners were massacred, and not suggest this unsupported movie-like scene of the commander addressing the prisoners. That is more than enough for a good DYK. So, I suggest,

• ALT1: ... that 687 Allied prisoners of war on board the Japanese "hell ship" SS Shinyo Maru (pictured), were massacred by Japanese troops when it came under torpedo attack during WWII, with only 82 survivors. Alawa (talk) 16:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Chuck Kleckley

• ... that Louisiana State Rep. Chuck Kleckley has been instrumental in broadening the functions of the Lake Charles Harbor and Terminal District?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Joe Ebanks

Thomas G. Carmody

• ... that the Louisiana State Rep. Thomas G. Carmody obtained passage in 2009 of a bill strengthening penalities for the crime of indecent behavior with juveniles?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Mureybet

Alan Seabaugh

• ... that because of a lack of support, Louisiana State Rep. Alan Seabaugh was compelled in 2011 to withdraw his bill requiring presidential candidates to show proof of U.S. citizenship?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Reviewed Nasi kucing

Needs more citations. Entire paragraphs are uncited, and there is also information in paragraphs that do have citations that does not appear in the citations. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Corrections made. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

It's better, but you're still missing citations for the opposition to the Seabaugh Amendment and its approval by the Justice Dept., and your Tea Party of Louisiana source is not adequate as it goes to the organization's homepage rather than to a specific article. I think that's because the site doesn't have a separate page for each article, but that means that you should add identifying details like the title and date of the press release. (I also don't see where on the page the cited text is supported...it says it backed Hensgens, but not that Seabaugh was its first candidate.) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Princeton1982 has been deleting material from this article -- even took out the paragraph with the "hook" information. I reinserted three paragraphs that princeton1982 removed. Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:29, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but you haven't addressed the problems I pointed out. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:54, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Twice princeton1982 has sabotaged this article, having removed the following:

In the 2011 legislative session, Seabaugh joined the House majority in opposition to an "anti-bullying" bill that would seek to halt phyical abuses in public schools. Critics, including the Louisiana Family Forum, said that the legislation would be misconstrued and used to promote homosexual life-styles. Seabaugh proposed an amendment which defined bulling as "any intimidating, threating, or abusive gesture, written, verbal, or physical act." Seabaugh did not address the motivation for bullying, such as sexual orientation or other specific factors. Nevertheless, Seabaugh he still voted against the bill even with his attached amendment. Seabaugh said that the proposed legislation is an attempt to compel public schools "to adopt into their code of student conduct this language which is straight out of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender model legislation playbook." Seabaugh's amendment removed the controversial language. Nevertheless, Seabaugh still voted against the bill even with his attached amendment when the bill's author indicated that he would attempt to remove Seabaugh's amendment in the Senate. Seabaugh said that the proposed legislation was an attempt to compel public schools "to adopt into their code of student conduct this language which is straight out of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender model legislation playbook." Seabaugh also introduced legislation to require presidential candidates to present proof of U.S. citizenship as a requirement to be listed on the Louisiana ballot. Governor Bobby Jindal had pledged to sign Seabaugh's bill had it reached his desk, but Seabaugh withdrew the bill because of a lack of legislative support. Billy Hathorn (talk) 22:02, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment: I suggest the word "compelled" in the DYK is slightly stronger than the entry itself supports. "chose to withdraw" as you state in the entry is more accurate. Thus,

• ALT1: ... that lacking support in the legislature in 2011, Louisiana State Rep. Alan Seabaugh chose to withdraw his bill requiring presidential candidates to show proof of U.S. citizenship? Alawa (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Brittany Pierce

• ... that the writers of the television show Glee use cheerleader Brittany Pierce to say things none of the other characters would?

HorrorFan121 (talk) 01:08, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Linked the show for you. Manxruler (talk) 08:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Is the following quote the support for the hook above? "I think they have a lot of fun doing it too, that's why they do it, because they think it's just so funny to have my character say the things that I say that nobody else would. They decided that this girl is going to be literally insane and she's going to say anything she wants to." If so I think you are bending the meaning a bit.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:00, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Performance psychology

• ... that performance psychology has evolved for years from various segments of applied psychology?

Created by WheelsDudley (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• Can you kindly put the hook's message across in a shorter and concise format? Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

This has not been expanded 5x. Sorry. If you can then, will be reviewed again by me or another editor. Thanks. - AnakngAraw (talk) 01:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Author of article is trying to expand the article, but he/she placed it in the article's talk page. Author might need assistance because it seems he/she is a new Misplaced Pages contributor/editor. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Tweaked hook by putting q-mark. Seems like 5x expanded. Original expander seems to be adding more to article. On my part, copyedited the article, the best I can given my availability. Need another editor to review and polish this article that is being expanded by a relatively new Wikipedian. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:23, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Has potential. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Please cite your hook in the article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• comment: DYK check says 5* expanded since 14 July. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 9

Castello Orsini-Odescalchi

• ... that Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes married at the Castello Orsini-Odescalchi (pictured)?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 10:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Added an img.--Nvvchar. 13:48, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Review of another hook needed. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:57, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed World Bicycle Relief.--Nvvchar. 07:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Simon Kooper

• ... that Nama leader Simon Kooper received an annual allowance for not continuing his attacks on Imperial Germany's forces in German South-West Africa?

• Reviewed: ASK Voitsberg ()

Created by Pgallert (talk). Self nom at 21:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

United Nations Honour Flag

• ... that the United Nations Honour Flag was designed as a symbol of the Allies of World War II at the suggestion of Winston Churchill?

• Reviewed: Brittany Pierce

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 07:34, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Can the flag be pictured with the hook? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that the United Nations Honour Flag (pictured) was designed as a symbol of the Allies of World War II at the suggestion of Winston Churchill?

Not an especially moving or interesting picture, but it is public domain so we could try. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Is there a way to add a border for a flag with a white background?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

There is, but the file is SVG so I cannot do it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I added the parameter "|border" after the "|100x100px" parameter to put a border around this, though I do agree that this isn't exactly the most attractive picture. OCNative (talk) 05:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I'd rather not use the image. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Hook fact needs to be directly cited. Everything else checks out, although I disagree with using a picture. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• • Do you mean that a source saying that it is in another source is not sufficient? What if I call the Chicago Public Library and speak to a reference library to confirm this source? Is that sufficient or do I have to go downtown and confirm with my own eyes?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• I did not see a footnote right after the sentence with the hook fact in it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• The citation covers the whole paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Per DYK rule 3,

  The hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation, since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it, since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable. (Note, "extraordinary" is used here to mean "out of the ordinary", not "exceptional to a very marked extent.")

It should be cited directly, right after the sentence it is in. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

O.K. Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Okay, everything is fine now. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Economy of South Sudan

• ... that the Economy of South Sudan before the country's independence from Sudan in 2011 was highly reliant on its producing of 85% of Sudanese oil output?--BabbaQ (talk) 13:54, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• I fixed some typos: the countries -> the country's and relying -> reliant. Manxruler (talk) 17:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, I don't think the article can be promoted in this stage. There are several problems that might take longer to sort out:
  1. The article is by all definitions a stub, actually a sub-stub. That it is well over the 1500-character minimum threshold does not make this less of a concern; there is almost nothing covered there.
  2. The lead does not summarize the article but introduces a separate sub-topic. This topic (currency) is incomprehensible to me, what actually is the currency of South Sudan?
  3. Also in the article body, there are several phrases where I can only guess what they mean.
  4. The section "Natural Resources" is entirely unreferenced.
  5. Apart from the oil sector there is no data on the economy; the infobox is basically empty.
  6. The speculation on US becoming a potential trade partner and South Sudanese oil importer are not supported by the indicated source.

--Pgallert (talk) 13:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Dixie Brown

• ... that blinded Bristol boxer Dixie Brown was visited during World War II by African American soldiers, who respected him as "a much admired character"?

• Reviewed: Vittore Grubicy de Dragon (diff)

Created by Jezhotwells (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Bristol boxer Dixie Brown was born in Saint Lucia and worked on the construction of the Panama Canal before emigrating to Britain in 1922? Jezhotwells (talk) 15:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment: ALT1 manages to remove every point of interest from the hook. Varlaam (talk) 21:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you are right! Jezhotwells (talk) 22:19, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Mochtar Lubis, Jalan Tak Ada Ujung, Indonesia Raya (newspaper), Harimau! Harimau!, Senja di Jakarta

• ... that Indonesian "renaissance man" Mochtar Lubis, co-founder of the daily Indonesia Raya, wrote novels regarding superstition, corruption, and erectile dysfunction?

Created/expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 13:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Mochtar Lubis is a 5x expansion. The rest are new. Reviews to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Reviews: The Ride to Conquer Cancer (diff), Jan Claudius de Cock (diff), Battle of La Flor, Battle of Las Cruces (1928) (diff), Majority Judgment (diff), and Clemenstone (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
• All articles check out as new or expansion, and all are long enough. The first three nominations' hook information is verified as cited, but the final two are not. That is, the article on Senja di Jakarta does not have a citation that it is about corruption, and the article on Jalan Tak Ada Ujung does not cite the theme of erectile dysfunction. It is also a litle worrying that there are no citations at all in the three articles about books in their sections about the Plot of each book. This is sadly often the case for WP articles about books, so this may not be an issue to concern DYK. However, the themes of the final two books in the hook need to be cited. --EncycloPetey (talk) 01:57, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Per D2, plot summaries need not be cited. I think the reason is that it is implied that it comes from the book itself. As for the wording, perhaps a couple ALTs since I don't think we want to consider erectile dysfunction a theme...

ALT1 ... that Indonesian "renaissance man" Mochtar Lubis, co-founder of the daily Indonesia Raya, wrote novels involving superstition, corruption, and erectile dysfunction?

ALT2 ... that Indonesian "renaissance man" Mochtar Lubis, co-founder of the daily Indonesia Raya, wrote novels featuring superstition, corruption, and erectile dysfunction?

I will cite the sentences in the plot summary regarding the two you are worried about (corruption and erectile dysfunction) as well. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:05, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I've added some citations, one to the theme of corruption in Senja di Jakarta and one to show that Guru Isa couldn't "get it up"; I found some things that supported the idea that his dysfunction represented his lack of bravery, with it coming back representing him finding faith, but they were not really reliable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:49, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• I prefer the wording of either alternative hook to the original. However, the article on Jalan Tak Ada Ujung is still lacking a citation to support the claim that it involves erectile dysfunction. The sentence in the article that discusses erectile dysfunction has no citations at all. DYK hook facts need clear citations. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:25, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
  • From erectile dysfunction:

    "Erectile dysfunction (ED, "male impotence") is sexual dysfunction characterized by the inability to develop or maintain an erection of the penis during sexual performance"

In the plot section, the article phrases it "unable to have an erection". However, I have now cited this to the book in the character section as well. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:14, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thnk you. DYK rules about citing hook facts are more stringent than other kinds of citations. On-line sources in Indonesian accepted in good faith; articles look good to go now.. --EncycloPetey (talk) 16:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Vittore Grubicy de Dragon

Painter Vittore Grubicy de Dragon (1851-1920)

• ... that painter Vittore Grubicy de Dragon (pictured) was largely responsible for introducing theories that led to Divisionism in Italian painting?

Created by Lexaxis7 (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 09:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• Size is OK, article created 9 July, hook reference is off-line book, I assume good faith. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Jersey Bridge

• ... that when the Jersey Bridge (pictured) was replaced, the only way for tourists to visit the Drake Well Museum was by train?

• Reviewed: Operation Slapstick ()

Created by Niagara (talk). Self nom at 01:13, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

• It is OK, but perhaps another hook

ALT1 ... that the Jersey Bridge (pictured) was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1988? Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:52, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

As I have often noted, with almost 90,000 properties, including many other bridges in the US listed on the Register that fact alone is not unusual or interesting enough to sustain a DYK hook. The first one's better. Daniel Case (talk) 04:34, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 10

Leal Garcia v. Texas

• ... that the court case Leal Garcia v. Texas, was a recent case in which the Supreme Court of the United States denied Humberto Leal Garcia, Jr.'s application for stay of execution and application for writ of habeas corpus?

--BabbaQ (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Dull hook. The Supreme Court denies many habeas petitions each term. Daniel Case (talk) 04:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• I have nominated this for deletion because this is not an actual Supreme Court case. Denial of a habeas petition is refusal to hear a case. This is not a Supreme Court case. OCNative (talk) 08:24, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I voted strong keep. And seeing how that AfD is going, I suggest you consider withdrawing it as it's a likely snowball keep at this point, so you'll save some administrator the time.

You are also wrong. Denying certiorari on the case, i.e. deciding not to hear it, would make it (at least as a Supreme Court case) non-notable for our purposes (as noted at the AfD as well as by myself above, the Supremes do exactly that many times each term). But when they call the lawyers in for oral argument, read their briefs (or, usually, have their clerks summarize said briefs and the case file) and then issue an opinion that some of them dissent from, it's a Supreme Court case whether they deny the petition or not. Daniel Case (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• I agree that the hook is dull. The hook needs to state why the denial of this petition is unique. Location (talk) 02:58, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

1989 Polish prison riots

• ... that as political prisoners were released due to the fall of communism in Poland, regular prisoners rioted, demanding better conditions and an amnesty?

• Reviewed: Siege_of_Hainburg

Created by Tymek (talk), Piotrus (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 04:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Benedikt Rejt

• ... that Late Gothic architect Benedikt Rejt rebuilt parts of Prague Castle and completed St. Barbara's Church in Kutná Hora (pictured)?

5x expanded by Aloysius (talk). Self nom at 19:39, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Shrigley Hall
• Date, length and image are fine but the hook doesn't quite work as St. Barbara's church was not actually completed until 1905 (according to our article). Mikenorton (talk) 18:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• It is true, he completed the vault and provisional roof of the church that was exchanged in 19th century so here is a better alternate hook

:::*ALT1... that Late Gothic architect Benedikt Rejt rebuilt parts of Prague Castle and built the precious vault for St. Barbara's Church in Kutná Hora (pictured)?

• AGF for ALT1, although I checked it with this ref anyway. Mikenorton (talk) 20:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Actually looking again at the ALT1 I'm not sure about 'precious' here - I've been struggling to find an alternative, perhaps 'ornate', but the simplest is probably just to leave it out altogether. Mikenorton (talk) 22:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• I just wanted to express the value of the vault which is considered the best quality in the sense of decoration and especially the mathematic and spacial dimensions. 'Ornate' is not the meaning. Thus omitting the word is possible.Aloysius (talk) 06:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
• ALT2... that Late Gothic architect Benedikt Rejt rebuilt parts of Prague Castle and built the vault for St. Barbara's Church in Kutná Hora (pictured)?Aloysius (talk) 06:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• OK for ALT2 - I could see what you were trying to say but couldn't think of another (short) way of saying it. Mikenorton (talk) 07:09, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Ricky Templet

• ... that Louisiana State Rep. Ricky Templet remained behind in 2005 to help law-enforcement groups fight Hurricane Katrina?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 00:08, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT... that Louisiana State Rep. Ricky Templet is a graduate of the same high school in Jefferson Parish in which his wife is the current principal?

Reviewed: Turban Head eagle

Turban Head eagle

• ... that on the Turban Head eagle, Liberty actually wears a cap, though it is disputed whether a Liberty cap was intended?

• Reviewed: Music of Neir ()

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 23:21, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 00:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

NCAA Season 87 basketball tournaments

• ... that the University of Perpetual Help announced that it will not field in a basketball player in the 87th NCAA season despite being cleared to play?

• ALT1:In an effort to go green, the ticketing system used for 87th NCAA basketball season uses less paper?
• Comment: The second and third paragraphs of the "Preseason" section were lifted from NCAA Season 87, an earlier DYK. The added prose is more than 1,600 characters.

5x expanded by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 16:08, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Table Mountain Wilderness. –HTD 16:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Expedition of Usama bin Zayd

• ... that Muhammad died on 8 June 632, a day after he ordered the Expedition of Usama bin Zayd?

Created by User:Misconceptions2 (talk). Self nom at 00:11, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure if it is suitable to call the "Expedition of Usama bin Zayd", the "Invasion of Palestine", like this invasion of Palestine. But still linking to the Expedition of Usama bin Zayd? Any suggestions?--Misconceptions2 (talk) 00:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Kamal Abbas

• ... that in 1989 security forces stormed the Iron and Steel plant in Helwan, Egypt; and Kamal Abbas (pictured) was arrested, tortured, and fired for participating in a strike that had no support from the official trade union?

Created by Ocaasi (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

creation date, size, hook and sourcing all confirmed. Prose is acceptable. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 06:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• I just checked this through as this appears to be a first review and found that the ref doesn't fully support the hook, not mentioning the storming, arrest or torture. Mikenorton (talk) 11:27, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Please recheck, I've added/moved around some references. Arrest and torture are clearly sourced, and the security policy putting it down with force is also referenced. Ocaasi 15:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The hook sourcing is now fine, the date, size and image are OK, but there are still 11 references as bare urls which need to be fixed see Rule D6. Mikenorton (talk) 15:45, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, all ready now. Mikenorton (talk) 07:28, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Please shorten the hook to less than 200 characters. --PFHLai (talk) 02:40, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

If you're using a semicolon, it's a decent sign that your hook is probably too long. I propose this ALT hook:
ALT1:... that Kamal Abbas (pictured) was arrested, tortured, and fired for participating in a 1989 strike in Helwan, Egypt that had no support from the official trade union? OCNative (talk) 02:08, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Freddie Mitchell

• ... that former Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Freddie Mitchell received racially threatening hate mail in 2003, apparently due to his appearance on a reality television show, A Dating Story?

5x expanded by Eagles247 (talk). Self nom at 20:06, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Ian Oliver (). Eagles 24/7 (C) 20:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 11

Burrough Hill

• ... that Burrough Hill, an Iron Age hillfort in England, contains over 400 maculae?

• Reviewed: Mark Mendelblatt ()
• Comment: Absence of wikilink for macula is deliberate so that readers might follow the Burrough Hill link to find out more.

5x expanded by Nev1 (talk). Self nom at 15:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

• The length is fine, as is the hook (although I see no point in not linking macula, since readers will want to know what it means). The problem comes with the date. The bulk of the expansion was done more than five days before listing here. It is, appropriately, listed under July 11, but was added here on July 18. By my reading of the rules, that would make it too late to qualify. I would welcome a second opinion on this, and will gladly pass the article if I'm being too strict on this point. It's certainly of high enough quality, but it doesn't seem to be recent enough. --Stemonitis (talk) 08:32, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Great Budworth

• ... that St Mary and All Saints Church in Great Budworth (Church pictured) is considered by architectural historian Nikolaus Pevsner to be "one of the most satisfactory Perpendicular churches in Cheshire"?

5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 08:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Sam Johnson (New Zealand).--Nvvchar. 14:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Maglić (mountain)

• ... that the Montenegrin part of Maglić massif has formed the Trnovačko Lake (picture of the mountain and the lake), said to be "one of the most beautiful of Montenegro."

5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 06:30, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hope the few hours of delay in posting this article would be condoned.--Nvvchar. 06:30, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Will Steffen.--Nvvchar. 14:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Ghumdan Palace

• ... that some have considered the Ghumdan Palace to be the world's first skyscraper and one of the 30 wonders of the ancient world?

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 13:20, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Russian ironclad Ne Tron Menia--Nvvchar. 14:34, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook ref verified. —Bruce1ee 06:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Morges Castle

• ... that Morges Castle (pictured) in Switzerland had a fortified kitchen that was attached to the castle's exterior walls?

• Reviewed: History of supercomputing ()

Created by Tobyc75 (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 07:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Fact not not cited properly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• I've cited the hook fact (ref 2). —Bruce1ee 06:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Rajinder Kaur Bhattal

• ... that Rajinder Kaur Bhattal was the first female chief minister of Punjab, but only the eighth female chief minister of an Indian state?

• Comment: A hook based on the alleged teacher-slapping incident (see second ref) would of course be much better, but unfortunately that's unduly negative for the main page. I'm open to the possibility that the hook should be clarified to say "the Indian state of Punjab", but my initial thought is that's unnecessarily wordy when it's wikilinked anyway. Other suggestions on clarifying the hook (or other suggested hooks) are also very welcome.

2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Demiurge1000 (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Donald S. Nesti

• ... that Fr. Donald Nesti is interested in the Quakers?

• Reviewed: Xavier Mertz ()

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Comment: This incorporates a religious subtlety which is probably lost on many these days. Varlaam (talk) 21:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

We could try "... that Donald S. Nesti was the first president of Duquesne University selected by a search committee for the position?" if that seems a little more direct. — AJDS 03:01, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT 2 "... that Fr. Donald Nesti wrote two books and several articles on the Catholic Church and the Quakers prior to his tenure as the controversial, combative, and ousted, 1980's president of Duquesne University?
• ALT 3 "... that Fr. Donald Nesti wrote two books and several articles on the Catholic Church's relationship with the Quakers, prior to his tenure as the controversial president of Duquesne University in the 1980s?

These both point out the irony and are <200 chars. Otherwise, the refs check out and the article length is ok --Lexein (talk) 03:13, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I prefer ALT 3. Since Nesti is still living, I wouldn't want to put anything too critical of him on the front page. — AJDS 06:33, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Striking ALT2, and clarifying with a comma. --Lexein (talk) 22:31, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT 4: That Donald S. Nesti clashed with the Tamburitzans as president of Duquesne University? Neutrality 06:42, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

I actually like ALT4, though I have cleaned it up a little bit. — AJDS 19:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Henry J. McAnulty

• ... that Duquesne University has named one of its colleges and a street on its campus in honor of Henry J. McAnulty?

• Reviewed: Siege of Pelium ()

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 18:06, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Claymont Court

• ... that Claymont mansion, built by George Washington's grand-nephew, was at one time the largest house in West Virginia and is now used as a spiritual retreat center?

5x expanded by ArchonMeld (talk). Self nom at 15:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Nice hook but the article has only two citations, none of which are in the body.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• Actually, all the body is derived from the two older books in the References section, but I do not have exact page numbers right for reference. Are these needed? ArchonMeld (talk) 15:59, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Percival Loines Pemberton

• ... that the late 1890s, British philatelist Percival Loines Pemberton participated in stamp auctions in London where potential buyers were sometimes given alcoholic drinks to encourage bidding?

• Reviewed: Representational momentum ()

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 11:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I have changed often to sometimes in the article. The exact quote in Pemberton's reminiscences (1940) was:

The principal auctioneers were Puttick & Simpson's, Ventom, Bull & Cooper's, Hadlow's and Cheveley's, and auctions were almost as frequent as they are to-day. Whisky and soda was provided free at Puttick's, and this may have had an effect on the bidding. It certainly did on the attendance. I remember one auction at Puttick's-the occasion of some special event-when the bidders were gingered up with glasses of champagne; but that was nearly twenty years before the last war! Philafrenzy (talk) 13:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quote. I've changed "often" to "sometimes" in the hook. —Bruce1ee 13:55, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Vernon F. Gallagher

• ... that Duquesne University president Vernon F. Gallagher once composed an operetta and learned Slovak on his own?

• Reviewed: Treeing Tennessee Brindle ()

Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 04:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT hook: "... that Duquesne University president Vernon F. Gallagher was invited to say the opening prayer of the 84th United States Congress?"

Score the Goals

• ... that the Score the Goals comic book – featuring eight model soccer players – was launched by the UN to educate children on how to help reduce poverty by 2015?

Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 23:03, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• The article I reviewed, other than my own nomination, is Performance psychology.- AnakngAraw (talk) 23:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT 1: ... that the Score the Goals comic book – featuring eight model soccer players – was launched by the UN to help children become familiar with the eight Millennium Development Goals? - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Pole Creek Wilderness and North Fork Owyhee Wilderness

• ... that both the Pole Creek Wilderness (pictured) and North Fork Owyhee Wilderness (pictured) have some of the largest concentrations of sheer-walled volcanic rhyolite and basalt canyons in the western United States?

Created by PumpkinSky (talk). Self nom at 22:35, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Note: Depending on if and which picture is chosen, one of the italics will need to be removed. PumpkinSky talk 01:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:16, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Both articles O.K. Either picture is fine. Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:34, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Just a note, my preference is for the North Fork picture.PumpkinSky talk 01:40, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Kapellbrücke

• ... that Europe's oldest wooden footbridge, the Kapellbrücke, stood for more than 600 years before being almost destroyed by a 1993 fire?

Created/expanded by DDima (talk). Self nom at 21:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• I love the hook, and an excellent job rewriting the article, but this only appears to be a 3.3x expansion from the June 1 (or June 8) version. Rlendog (talk) 01:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks, there is more information that I can add which would hopefully suffice.. I'll try and see what comes of that —dsergienko (talk) 09:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Drashovica

• ... that during the Battle of Drashovica over 3000 German soldiers died, more than 200 of which inside the barracks of Drashovicë?

Created by ZjarriRrethues (talk). Self nom at 21:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: East African Highland bananas

There should be at least one citation per paragraph, except for the lead. AGF on the foreign-language source, length is good. How many nominations have you made? If it is more than 5, you should review another article. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:44, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Done.--— ZjarriRrethues —  13:29, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

• Alright, good to go. AGF on the foreign source. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Inocybe goodeyi

• ... that consumption of the poisonous mushroom Inocybe godeyi (pictured) could lead to salivation, tears, urination, defecation, gastrointestinal pain and vomiting?

Created by J Milburn (talk). Self nom at 18:20, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed Fort Peck Lake. J Milburn (talk) 18:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Date and length check out; offline source for hook accepted in good faith. Meticulously cited new article. Good job. — AJDS 01:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Bob Hensgens

• ... that when he was a small town mayor, Louisiana State Rep. Bob Hensgens cut his pay to provide raises to police officers?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT:... that Louisiana State Rep. Bob Hensgens once paid part of the filing fee for his opponent?

Reviewed Anna Eliot Ticknor

A number of problems here.

1. Sourcing is poor. What is JMC Enterprises ("Win with JMC") and why are they a reliable source? What is "Tea Party Cheer" and how do we know that they are accurately reprinting the Tea Party of Louisiana press release? Can you find a better source than an unauthenticated personal Facebook page which supposedly belongs to the subject? "Louisiana Secretary of State, Legislative Special Election, April 30, 2011" is not a citation that allows readers to find this information.
2. Article needs cleanup to keep it focused. Irrelevant information (such as "In 1964, the first two Republicans since Reconstruction took their seats in the lower chamber of the Louisiana Legislature, having represented Caddo Parish in far northwestern Louisiana. The GOP now has a majority of the seats in the chamber" and the end of Dupuis's term) need to be removed and lengthy quotes cut down.

This article could well be suitable for DYK, but these problems must be addressed first. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, we need a better source for the statement in the hook that Hensgens cut his pay to give police officers a pay raise - a press release from the Tea Party won't do, we need a newspaper or perhaps a government document. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Corrections made. Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Some but not all. You're still citing the TP of Louisiana's endorsement to TeaPartyCheer when it would be better to cite either to a news source or to the TP's own website, and we still don't know if WinWithJMC is a reliable source (bring it to WP:RSN, please), but I guess I could still approve it with those being the case; however, you're still missing a reliable source for the hook fact re: police (and for the bit about balancing the budget). LouisianaConservative is obviously an agenda blog rather than a news source and TheDeadPelican source is just a press release. Also, the manifesto ("pro-life pro-gun" whatever) is not in the cited source. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:08, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Gugur Bunga, Ismail Marzuki

• ... that Ismail Marzuki (pictured) wrote his 1945 song "Gugur Bunga di Taman Bakti" to honor the Indonesian casualties of the Indonesian National Revolution?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Length, date and refs check.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• Review to follow. Could we save this for 17 August (Indonesia's independence day)? Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed: Andrew Pataki (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
• Another review to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
• Reviewed: Battle of Drashovica (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:48, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
• And the date request? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Erwin Gutawa

• ... that despite holding a degree in architecture, Erwin Gutawa became a composer and conductor?

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 07:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that Erwin Gutawa, father of Gita Gutawa, worked as a conductor at the London Symphony Orchestra in 2005?

Review to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Reviewed: George T. Walker (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:50, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Seems fine. I like the former hook better. I would also recommend removing the red links, so it looks nicer. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I've removed a couple of redlinks, to people or subjects that ay not pass our notability guidelines. However, per WP:REDLINK I am leaving the links to the artists / bands deserving an article (but who don't have one yet). Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Santa Clara River (Utah)

• ... that the Santa Clara River area was the home of the indigenous Southern Paiute people during the Protohistoric period?

Created by Schmiebel (talk). Nominated by Rcej (talk) at 06:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Seems good to me. Length, date and hook are satisfactory. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Copyvio/plagiarism issues. Much of article copied from at least two references, see Duplication Detector here and here. Reported at Misplaced Pages:Copyright_problems/2011_July_14.--NortyNort (Holla) 12:42, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Karen Stollznow

• ... that Karen Stollznow (pictured) writes for two skeptical magazines (Skeptic & Skeptical Inquirer) and hosts two skeptical podcasts (Point of Inquiry & Monster Talk)?

Created by Krelnik (talk). Self nom at 05:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hook verified, article ready, prose confirmed at 2146 per DYKcheck, img is good! Rcej (Robert) – talk 06:42, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Fort Peck Lake

• ... that Fort Peck Lake is the largest lake by surface area in Montana?

Created by Shannon1 (talk). Self nom at 01:33, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry, this article is not eligible, as it is too short. The minimum size for DYK is 1500 bytes "readable prose", this is currently 1137 bytes. If this can be expanded a little further, it would be eligible. J Milburn (talk) 18:25, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I added to it, I think it's more than 1500 bytes now. Shannonº 18:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Great, checks out. J Milburn (talk) 20:52, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Shannon1 (talk · contribs) has more than 5 DYK credits. Peer review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 02:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 12

Lars Borgersrud

• ... that among military historian Lars Borgersrud's research works are subjects such as the fate of war children and nazi sympathy among Norwegian military officers prior to and during World War II?

• ALT1:... that among military historian Lars Borgersrud's research works are tabu subjects such as the fate of war children and nazi sympathy among military officers prior to and during World War II?

• Reviewed: Black-cheeked Gnateater ()

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 00:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• I've copy-edited your article. Date and length check out. Veracity of hook and all other sourcing accepted in good faith since they're all either offline or in Norwegian. However, I would like to recommend these grammatical corrections to the hook:
  ALT2:... that military historian Lars Borgersrud's research includes taboo subjects like the fate of war children and Norwegian military officers with Nazi sympathies prior to and during World War II? OCNative (talk) 10:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for the review, copyedit of the article and improvment of the hook! I prefer your ALT2 hook to the two originals. Oceanh (talk) 17:16, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Date and length check out. Veracity of hook and all other sourcing accepted in good faith since they're all either offline or in Norwegian. This is ready to go for DYK with ALT2. OCNative (talk) 01:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Sam Johnson (New Zealand)

• ... that John Key said to Student Volunteer Army organiser Sam Johnson that he "might be Prime Minister (of New Zealand) one day"?

• Reviewed: Antwerp Diamond Heist (diff)
• Comment: The review is from some time back. I'm trying to get a photo of Johnson and if I succeed, I'll add it to this nomination.

Created by Stuartyeates (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

• Checks out. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 14:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Who in the hook was "he" referring to? --PFHLai (talk) 05:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok, ALT1 for clarification. Schwede66 04:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

• ALT1... that John Key said to Student Volunteer Army organiser Sam Johnson that he (Johnson) "might be Prime Minister (of New Zealand) one day"?

How about this ALT:
ALT2:... that in 2010, New Zealand Prime Minister John Key said that 21-year-old Student Volunteer Army organiser Sam Johnson "might be Prime Minister one day"? OCNative (talk) 02:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Messiah Part II

• ... that in Handel's Messiah, Part II contains the famous Hallelujah chorus (pictured) and the oratorio's longest movement, the Air for alto He was despised?

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

• reviewed: #Macellum of Pozzuoli - please note, that the "overview" is not really part of this article, but common for Part I and III also, the "expansion" is the section "Part II movements", all new. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

David Baker (poker player, born 1986), David Baker (poker player, born c. 1970s)

• ... that both David "Bakes" Baker and David "ODB" Baker have finished in the money at least four times in each of the last three World Series of Poker?

• Reviewed: Superman: Deadly Legacy, Superman and Wonder Woman - the Hidden Killer, Batman: Death of Innocents

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 22:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Ostrzanin Uprising

• ... that the Ostrzanin Uprising was a 1638 Zaporozhian Cossack uprising against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth sparked by a Sejm act declaring non-Registered Cossacks equal to ordinary peasants in their rights?

5x expanded by Ajh1492 (talk). Self nom at 18:16, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Article was expanded from a redirect, but it must still meet the 1500 prose character minimum. It currently has only 1242. See WP:DYKcheck for a prose counting tool. I have not checked anything else about the article. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

I have added additional material that brings it well over 1500 prose characters. Ajh1492 (talk) 20:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

May 3rd Constitution Day

• ... that May 3rd Constitution Day (parade pictured), among the most important Polish holidays, comparable to July 4 celebrations in the USA, was banned in the communist People's Republic of Poland?

• Reviewed: Richmont Castle

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 16:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Comment: Great article, but I'd suggest dropping the July 4 comparison. The article says that the Polish national holiday is comparable to the American one in its importance to the respective nations, but this is probably true for any nation's national holiday. The hook suggests that the two holidays are comparable in the way they are celebrated, which is not what the article or the cited source says, and which is simply untrue. — Kpalion 14:35, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that May 3rd Constitution Day (parade pictured), among the most important Polish holidays, was banned in the former communist state, the People's Republic of Poland?

On a note, I tweaked the hook a bit. --Σ _contribs 23:23, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I have no problems with the alt. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 00:40, 16 July 2011 (UTC)