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ty :) Gise-354x (talk) 03:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

1RR

Are you aware that the article Climatic Research Unit email controversy is under 1RR restriction? That means you cannot perform more than 1 revert per 24 hour period. On top of that, it seems you actually have gone over 3RR, which is just a general rule. I suggest you self-revert all the changes over 1RR you have done, and that you read this Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Climate_change#Climate_change:_discretionary_sanctions.--Cerejota (talk) 12:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Which RR should that be? You should look at a proper translation what REVERT means, i did not a single revert Dude. Gise-354x (talk) 14:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

A reversion is any removal of material in 24 hours. I am not going to provide you with the entire sequence, but here you violated 1RR and 3RR in under 20 minutes, removing material from multiple editors: . I suggest you speak to an un-involved admin if you doubt my word.--Cerejota (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Then why don't you link me to the page where it says that removal of content is considered a revert? And for the content you cite, i re-added one of those and moved parts to the HADCRUT wiki where it belongs. And please use the section you started, instead of posting your reply randomly on my user page, thank you. Gise-354x (talk) 21:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

If you restored the material in question, that is all I asked for, and then there is no problem.--Cerejota (talk) 21:55, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

The quote about Storch i re-added, 2 others i moved to the HADCRUT[REDACTED] entry and the 4th was wrong, it stated that there has been only 2 investigations. Gise-354x (talk) 21:59, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Just to make sure you understand: 3RR is explained here, WP:3RR. I already linked you to discretionary sanctions. However, in the above line you admit, clearly, to WP:3RR, and by implication 1RR: there are no exceptions to these rules that cover moving material to other articles, nor if the material being reverted being "incorrect". Unless you are speaking of removal of obvious non-sense, or obvious vandalism, which none of your edits were, the purpose of the edits is irrelevant - its a quantitative not qualitative rule. Again, if you feel I am being unfair, ask an un-involved admin at WP:ANI for comment. --Cerejota (talk) 22:44, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

No. I did not break that rule. And i suggest you go read the RULE yourself because i edited my own additions. I consider you are trolling people. If you do not stop i will seek help from an admin, because you 1.) do not act with good faith 2.) i did not break the 3 RULES you claim. Gise-354x (talk) 22:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

You didn't edit your own additions, as those additions were in place before your account was created. Unless, of course, you are an unlabeled second account for someone else? Anyways, there is nothing else for me to say. It is clear you have all the information you need in this matter. Further issues around this should be addressed with parties uninvolved in this topic area, and as I have told you before, if you feel I am being unfair, go toWP:ANI.--Cerejota (talk) 23:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Dude first you say i edited stuff from people in under 24h now you say i edited stuff from people which existed before i created this account. What is it? Gise-354x (talk) 23:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Gise, here is the specific wording that you are seeking:

Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert.

If any of your edits involved changing something another editor has done within a (reasonable timeframe (>1day)) more than once - then you have broken 1RR. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

1. This is a revert of this edit by Tillmann

I haven't checked whether you did other reverts - but with that amount of changes - i rather suspect that you did. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 23:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok, first off so far i understand revert means "revert of an revision". Secondly i'm not aware that i "reverted" any contends from someone within 24hours time frame. In the future i will take care about edits i make within the correct timeframe. And it is not clear to me from the above user accusations, that i broke this rule. Because as i said above, i re-added and moved contends and only deleted what was not in scope or wrong. To check fact my argument read my edit comments. You might find also interesting that the user Cerejota, who accuses me of breaking 4 rules, started a sockpuppet investigation http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Yopienso Gise-354x (talk) 23:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

A revert is any edit that undoes another editors work, in whole or in part. <-- that is the definition. And in most cases changes an editors work when the edit converts the text back to something that is the same or like a previous edit. Please read WP:3RR carefully, and it would be a good idea to watch some of the cases on WP:3RRNB. Generally on a 1RR article, you should do edits only in one block of edits - if other editors intervene in your edits - then back off - since you may end up blocked. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 00:14, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Nobody intervened on my edits. I did not converted anything back. And what you suggest that i do edits only in 1 block, please show me the rule for that, ty. Gise-354x (talk) 00:18, 19 August 2011 (UTC) And i disagree with your definition above, as you probably mean within 24 hours as stated in the rule. Own edits are not effected per definition, which is must be considered here. I did 1 alteration i'm aware that was i removed "Verify source" tags because in the meantime the source has been verified. And i think that is well covered within the 1 or 3RR rule. Gise-354x (talk) 00:21, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

When i say "block" i mean multiple single edits to an article not interspaced with edits from other users in the same sections of the article. These are considered as 1 edit per the rules in WP:3RR (i know - since i was up for 3RR once where this was a major point). Any changes to the parenthesized climate gate in the lede is by the 3RR rules most certainly a revert btw. Since this a sentence that has been modified multiple times by other users in recent history - so by editing that, you undo another editors work. --Kim D. Petersen (talk) 07:06, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

News Corp Scandal

Hi Gise, I reviewed the discussion at News Corp Scandal and Vsevolod is giving you very good advice and showing moreover a great deal of patience. Please give up on the News Corp / Climategate link as you presently don't have any reliable sources supporting such a link. Alex Harvey (talk) 06:46, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

So you claim that the New York Times is not a reliable source? Gise-354x (talk) 06:48, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikiquette discussion

I have begun a discussion about you atMisplaced Pages:Wikiquette_assistance#User:Gise-354x. VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 07:44, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I have begun a discussion about you at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette_assistance#User:VsevolodKrolikov Gise-354x (talk) 08:44, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Recommendation

Take it or leave it:

1. VsevolodKrolikov - when someone has an ego the size of a black hole in the central core of a galaxy, it is best to avoid them until you can communicate your points without falling into their trap. He's made numerous personal attacks against me and he's made up things I've never said because that's the way he rolls. I've tried to ignore most of his nonsense and you should too. Don't take the bait.
2. Disputes - often times you'll find editors trying to go off-topic. Bring the discussion back on topic and address the central point. Don't use article talk pages to talk about the behavior of other editors. Always stick to the subject and focus on how we can improve it. Don't wade into the deep end of personal attacks and petty remarks. They'll try and drag you there and then blame you for going there yourself. Don't take the bait. Follow dispute resolution when you run into problems. Use process to move things forward, not to hold progress back. Editors who try and misuse the system will be noticed.
3. 1RR - stick to one revert per article per day to prevent yourself from getting in any trouble. Otherwise, you will end up blocked for edit warring, not for violating the 3RR.

Hope this helps. Viriditas (talk) 10:12, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Gise-354x (talk) 18:10, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:RS and WP:BLP

Are exceedingly important on Misplaced Pages. If you wish to raise any issues thereon, the correct noticeboards ar WP:RS/N and WP:BLP/N Note any article which is connected to a "living person" is required to adhere to WP:BLP. Cheers. Collect (talk) 23:58, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello again Collect, the wiki entries in question are about a company, about Koch Industries, unless you claim now that companies are people? Please stop with removing the sources, other edits and new additions from reliable sources, ty. Gise-354x (talk) 00:00, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Where an article mentions living people, WP:BLP applies. It has no exemption that companies are not living <g> as loong as the article itself includes specific mention of living people as your cites (such aes they are) do. Cheers. Collect (talk) 00:02, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

No. You should provide a reason to make your argument. I edit the Koch Industries wiki, and you remove everything, not just sources you claim are not reliable. You remove new content and an entire section. That is clearly not ok. So i ask you again to link to the page where it says that scientific Greenpeace studies based on Koch Industries document are unreliable. Further the fact that Greenpeace sources are already part of the wiki page in question, makes me believe that you make this claim up to push your own agenda. Gise-354x (talk) 00:12, 20 August 2011 (UTC)