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Bidgee is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Misplaced Pages in November 2011

Our

92 ip number friend seemed to be having a bit of a free run there for a while, sigh : ( SatuSuro 10:57, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

It happens, I've seen IP's vandalise Misplaced Pages for a day or more and still have the vandalism in the articles and not warned or blocked. I only noticed it while researching DSLR's as my K100D has almost past its used by date and is starting to show it, looking at getting a Canon EOS 60D but looking at some Nikon's as well. Would have to stay with the K series Pentax as my current lens would fit them however I'm looking at DSLR's with the external mic jack. Bidgee (talk) 11:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

You have been mentioned at WP:ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding You placed a warning on User:FaktneviM's talkpage in response to his/her actions and are, therefore, peripherally involved. The thread is Personal Attacks, Harrassing Behaviour, inappropriate warnings and inappropriate use of Twinkle by User:FaktneviM. Thank you. -danjel (talk to me) 11:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Skywest ATR 72 image

G'day Bidgee, just wondering what your thoughts are regarding this image. It appears to have been scanned judging by the metadata and I was wondering if it might be a copyvio. For it to be an own work, as far as I can tell the uploader has to be either a Skywest employee over in Toulouse or an employee of ATR, and had to have taken the photo him/herself using a film camera and then scanned the print or negative - which of course is not outside the realms of possibility. I'd put a message on his/her Talk page, but s/he has made no other edits since the day s/he uploaded the image. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 07:02, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Sent an email since I've found information which could be classed as outing. Bidgee (talk) 12:06, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Been meaning to send you a reply but been a little busy. I got in contact with them and they have stated that the uploader is the holder of the copyright. Bidgee (talk) 16:10, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Righto, cheers YSSYguy (talk) 06:58, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Australian Wood Duck

Hello Bidgee:

I saw you reverted Maned Duck back to Australian Wood Duck. FYI, Misplaced Pages uses the IOC (Internationl Ornithological Congress) bidlist as it's official english names list. (see e.g. Talk:Tasmanian Nativehen#Nomenclature). I realize that conversation was over a hyphen, but Misplaced Pages is making a concerted effort to use all the names on that list. Local/regional name preferences are not one of the reasons to use a nd alternate name. I am going to revert back to Maned Duck, unless you can find a more compelling argument. Let me know....Pvmoutside (talk) 15:15, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh please, International Ornithological Congress (which isn't the bible) is trying to force the name it wants not what is common (WP:COMMON) within its native country. Sorry but you will have to use the WP:RM per the bird project which states if it is disputed. Fact is Australian Wood Duck is a far more common name then Maned Duck and even the Australian Museum, Canberra Ornithologists Group, University of Queensland, Indigenous Flora and Fauna Association and Centennial Park (Sydney) uses Australian Wood Duck (not a "regional term/name"). Bidgee (talk) 15:42, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Brigee, thats not it all all. Many of the committees worldwide are trying to find a way communicate commonly about birds. I invite you to go to the Wikiproject Birds discussion page to learn more about why this is taking place.....Pvmoutside (talk) 15:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

In regards to Gallinula mortierii, the rename request was flawed from both sides and in fact is a no consensus. Parks & Wildlife Tasmania call it Tasmanian Native Hen (which is much likely the correct name, which could be the reason why - is commonly in the name) and they are a reliable authority. The name isn't regional since it is only known to be living in Tasmania in the wild. Unless you get a consensus at Misplaced Pages:Australian Wikipedians' notice board for Australian related articles since International Ornithological Congress isn't the governing body of bird names in Australia and the fact is WP:COMMON has more weight, not the Bird project. Bidgee (talk) 16:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

and before I go, please keep in mind that Australian English (WP:ENGVAR) which be used for titles and in articles. Bidgee (talk) 16:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

QantasLink

G'day, I can't see what is being changed when I check the diffs of the most recent reverts, he's not re-adding the callsign info that's for sure. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 10:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Why did you remove the climate chart of Adelaide in the Subtropics article?

Why did you remove the climate chart of Adelaide in the Subtropics article? According to the Köppen, John F Griffiths and Glenn Trewartha Climate Classification Systems Adelaide has a subtropical climate (specifically a warm summer Mediterranean climate) - and nor is it a borderline case.

I have seen that an edit war just occured over this, but the IP, despite his vandalistic methods, is correct on this.

To be classified as subtropical, the warmest month must average 22C or warmer according to the Köppen Climate Classification - very important - as Adelaide's average summer temperatures do exceed this and the coldest month must average no less than 0C, and the mimimum temperatures of Adelaide are significantly above freezing. Otherwise you need to use the John F Griffiths or Glenn Trewartha Climate Classifications which require the coldest month to be at least averaging 6C for the John F Griffiths Classification and in the case of the Glenn Trewartha Classification 8 months have to average 10C or warmer. If you can cite any other reason with sources why a Adelaide cannot be placed, especially when there are more than 8 months averaging 10C or better that its average coldest month is not below 6C. And also a semi-arid climate (maximum border 400 mm) and desert climate (maximum border 200 mm) is not solely based on a particular climate range and does occur in subtropical, tropical, continental and polar climate ranges as well. Adelaide's climate is not borderline with the semi-arid climate due to its annual average precipitation of at least 500 mm, despite being irregular and erratic from year to year. Its latitude of 34° (and since it is also located at sea level) is well within the range of the subtropics.

Please definately cite all the sources you find and definately put them on the talk page, why Adelaide is not subtropical and why it should not be put.

Van de Kemp (talk) 14:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I removed the Adelaide climate not because you contested it, because I organized the charts of selected cities according to the different types of subtropical climates with one example from one continent. However please provide a credible explanation with verified sources as I suggested above. Because unlike Sydney which is exactly on the borderline of the temperate (specifically oceanic climate) and subtropical (specifically humid subtropical climate) climates, this is not the case for Adelaide which, having a warm summer Mediterranean climate, puts it in the subtropical climate range. This is the classification for the warm summer Mediterranean climate.

Van de Kemp (talk) 16:00, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I've seen a few Australian books on the climate of Australia (reliable ones at that) give Adelaide a temperate climate, Australia's climate is somewhat complicated and not something you can base on overseas's books since most who write them have no understanding on Australia. Also you are basing temperature and rainfall guidelines used for other parts of the World, Adelaide has dry summers (not as in rainfall but humidity). Bidgee (talk) 01:51, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello!

Do you know this editor to be a sock of a blocked or banned user? I know you've had a few harassers (I've reverted some of them): but otherwise he seems to be a legitimate editor irritated about this and this. I would be too - that was not an edit that should have been reverted, and certainly shouldn't be given a warning about. To then use this edit summary... I don't know if this is "kosher", Bidgee. What's the deal with this? Doc talk 04:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't surprise me if it was a sock however I did assume good faith by just giving them a test edit warning (adding a space between a full stop and cite isn't helpful since a bot or another editor would have to fix it, when more constructive editing could have been done) however the comments posted by the "new" editor isn't something I would have expected from a "newbie". Most if not all newbies ask what they did wrong or question the friendly test warning (ie: asking why they got it). Seems to me that the editor is a troll who is here just to disrupt Misplaced Pages. Bidgee (talk) 04:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Often what I'll do in cases where it's not a "cut-and-dried" instance one way or the other (meaning not even needing a lvl 1 warning... like a punctuation issue...), I'll literally insert ] between the revision and the revision # (using UNDO and not any sort of Rollback) - and then use an edit summary along the lines of "Undid likely editing test". No separate warning needed then - no fuss, no muss. I'm glad to know it's not for certain one of the creeps that have hit your page! Cheers :> Doc talk 04:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

brisbane page

dude, are you serious? the pic was there for over 2 months before some guy changed it. he didnt get consensus. check the history. also there's no discussion on the talk page for a long time now. you are basically reverting it to what some random guy changed it to about a week ago? EzykronHD (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Monitor lizard

Why did you change the wrong species back? Monitor in the pic is V. albigularis, it doesn't even look like V. exanthematicus. Tepadj (talk) 20:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but the photograph on Wikimedia Commons states otherwise and is also categorised as V. exanthematicus. Also having done a search via Google images, both species are similar. You are going to have to prove on the article talk page that it is incorrect with some reliable sources showing why it is V. albigularis. Bidgee (talk) 02:09, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

List Of radio station in australia

Look mate I got a Digtial radio in canberra This information is true please dont change the information back Bidgee from Timmy21111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmy21111 (talk • contribs) 11:45, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Im not makeing the information up this is a true information From Timmy21111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmy21111 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Please note that it is WP:OR. Bidgee (talk) 11:51, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

List Of radio station in australia part 2

Im not makeing it up this information is true I want you GO TO canberra and to buy a Digtal radio listert those new Trailing station Are you From canberra From Timmy21111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmy21111 (talk • contribs) 12:02, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Are you from canberra

hello Bidgee I just wondering are you from canberra, Act, Australia. Yes or no? From From Timmy21111 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timmy21111 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Actewagl logo.svg

Thanks for uploading File:Actewagl logo.svg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Misplaced Pages (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 05:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

The replacement for this, File:ActewAGL-logo-3icon.gif, was uploaded to commons. Since it's obviously non-free I've tagged it there and restored File:Actewagl logo.svg to the article. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

They seem to be only doing it as the "mouse" icon is no longer part of ACTEWAGL logo. Just updated the logo and hope that keeps them happy. Bidgee (talk) 06:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

tiger quoll

Bidgee, I'm the one who added the text to the article and did some word-forword copying of the sources. This violates Misplaced Pages:Copyrights WP:COPY. Please stop changing it back. LittleJerry (talk) 11:39, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

The Gundagai site is a complete mess

Bidgee I note that your name was on the discussion page for Gundagai a few years ago. I am interested in the Gundagai site as my grandparents were from there (although I live in Queensland). I have recently looked at this site, as my wife and I are planning a vsit to Gundagai in the next few months, and I was refreshing my historical knowledge of the town. This site is now a complete mess because some person called *Name removed per WP:OUTING Bidgee (talk) 05:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)* (?) has put all this what I consider to be rubbish about Greek and Roman mythology, ghosts, spirits etc. As you seem to be more knowledgable than I could you please look at this site and tell if my opinion has any basis? I am not very computer literate (being an old guy) so I would hesitate to make any changes myself. Is it just me, or has this site been shanghied by this person. The discussion page is full of stuff which does not seem quite sane. Perhaps it is me. Greame Healy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.168.63.180 (talk) 04:21, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I have noticed the article has gone from bad to worse, I have given up since no matter how many blocked they get they always return. The editor is in fact banned from Misplaced Pages and shouldn't be editing however a lot of the other editors who use to keep the article in check when I gave-up or couldn't are no longer editors here as they have since retired from Misplaced Pages. If you are willing to fix the article that would be great. Bidgee (talk) 05:28, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Australian spelling?

Hi Bidgee, thanks for updating the dead link on Casuarina equisetifolia. Just wondering, what did you mean by 'Australian spelling' (since I didn't actually write anything at all)? Cheers, Rainbowwrasse (talk) 11:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

I suspect he was referring to the other changes that he made in the reversion ("northeastern" to "north-eastern", "Southeast" to "South-east" and "windbreaking" to "wind breaking"). --AussieLegend (talk) 15:59, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Right, didn't see those changes, thought it was just a revert. Thanks. Rainbowwrasse (talk) 17:56, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Nope it wasn't a revert, I was fixing the issues with the article. Edit summary is limited with the amount of text you can write and I was also limited on time. Bidgee (talk) 01:10, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Another Crazy Entry in the Gundagai Page

Bidgee, thanks for your reply. This person has put another entry in the discussion page for Gundagai. - MINERVA AND DIANA AND THE GOLDEN APPLES - This whole entry reads as completely crazy and senseless. You have probably already seen this entry. She also has had a go at me. Apparently I am a troll! (whatever that is). Thanks for your invitation to edit the page, but no thanks. I am not confident enough. I am interested in Gundagai history, but am no expert. One thing this person has wrong. Hume and Hovel came no where near Gundagai in 1824. They went through what is now the site of Blowering Dam, near Tumut. Although it can probably be said that their expedition influenced future settlement in the Gundagai area. That is, I think the incorrect Hume and Hovel entry is still on the Gundagai page, unless it has been amended. At one stage the Gundagai page was really good a year or so ago, and I enjoyed reading it, and printed it out at different times. But now I wouldn't bother. It is not even worth reading, which de-values Misplaced Pages. This will be my last post and for the sake of my sanity and blood pressure, I will never visit the Gundagai page again. Thanks for all your valuable work for Misplaced Pages. regards, Graeme. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.168.62.193 (talk) 07:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Ignazwrobel (talk) 13:49, 22 October 2011 (UTC)== Highlighting outdated quotation contents with decorative quotation marks ==

Updating format

Decorative quotation marks.

Hi Bidgee Question: If any WP:MOS guideline is subject to personal point of view - then anybody can classify anything "acceptable". Pls explain "acceptable" in this case.

It is 1. a quotation referring to an up-to-the-minute issue nearly ten years ago - why still highlighting it as if it where up-to-date-information of A importance 2. it is not a theorem of the subject which would explain highlighting according to it´s degree of importance 3. the form of the big decorative quotation marks gives this section an A importance that is outdated. Osama Bin Laden is dead on May 11 , 2011.

Do formal aspects rule necessary content updates, in this particular case visually downgrading the quoted contents by formatting it less eye catching if it refers to activies nearly ten years ago? Does this have political reasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ignazwrobel (talk • contribs) 13:42, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Well it is a pull quote (since it is pulling it from the source), but feel free to change it using the {{quote}} tag or using the <blockquote></blockquote>, just make sure you follow Misplaced Pages:MOS#Block quotations as it will help you on how it should be done. Using just "" is something that is no longer being done unless it is quoting a single word or three. Bidgee (talk) 23:36, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Youtube as a non reliable source. Bidgee, if the youtube vid shows the subject itself, the person, actor, singer, talking him/herself- isn´t this is a first tier source? Youtube in this particular case shows the source itself generating contents without any (UTC) transcription or reporting as intermediate facilitator of what the person says.Ignazwrobel (talk) 13:55, 22 October 2011

Youtube, Facebook, Myspace, Twitter and any other social websites are deemed as unsuitable as reliable sources but can be used as external links however extreme care needs to be taken to make sure it is official and make sure it doesn't contain copyrighted content (see WP:COPYLINK and WP:EL). Bidgee (talk) 23:36, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

a last question two hours later: isn´t the article on Marlon Brando another candidate for WP:MOS? still starting with Marlon in the first section...I do not understand the logic matrix. Why don´t you change it here according to WP:MOS?Ignazwrobel (talk) 15:33, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

..don´t know if you´ll answer me, you don´t have to, you´re not a[REDACTED] teacher. Obviously this is a game with many many rules, played by a bunch of pro´s. There are many guards to the rules - isn´t this extremely discouraging for editor´s - lucky me you didn´t revert completely my efforts on the D. Spencer article. Ignazwrobel (talk) 14:09, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't have much time to comment but I'll give you some quick replies. The lead section (the start of the article) as we call it, does seem to be rather long (see: MOS:LEAD which has more about what a lead is and how it should be done). We do have editors here that are happy to help, you can get help by {{helpme}} with the question on your user talk page or you can have a editor who can help you out (see: Misplaced Pages:Adopt-a-user). The way policies and guidelines are do seem rather tough on new editors but once you start learning then and editing, you start to understand why they are in place but they could be redone as some of the policies and guidelines have not had any major changes for sometime. I'm sorry that my replies are brief, however I'm in the middle of moving house and studying. Bidgee (talk) 23:36, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Dear Bidgee. Thank you for your friendly and patient answers. Cheers! Ignazwrobel (talk) 07:55, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Commons question - derivative works

An editor has been uploading TV program logos at commons, licensing them with {{PD-textlogo}} but they are generally derivative works from copyrighted logos and title cards. For example, File:TBBT logo.svg has been lifted from File:BigBangTheoryTitleCard.png while File:Terra Nova logo.svg has been lifted from File:2010terranova2.jpg. File:Terra Nova logo.svg even includes the map icon that formst part of the Terra Nova logo. Since the map is clearly noy a simple geometric shape, {{PD-textlogo}} doesn't apply. There are numerous other examples. Is this permitted at commons or has the editor crossed the line? --AussieLegend (talk) 16:14, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with recreating what was an unfree logo (such as The Big Bang Theory) to a free text logo, however the Terra Nova logo is a no go since it is still a copyrighted logo (text logo doesn't apply). Even the stargates they have uploaded as own work are copyrighted. Bidgee (talk) 23:09, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. The Stargate glyphs were going to be my next question. I've seen them discussed previously, but I can't remember where. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:17, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Rex Saabs

G'day, you might have noticed on your watchlist that I edited the Rex article to reflect the fact that one of them is now back on the register. You have my sympathies regarding your move - I once stayed in a shithole for a couple of years simply because I didn't want all the hassle and grief of moving house. Cheers. YSSYguy (talk) 13:56, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Gundagai

I just spent 10 minutes scanning through this page. I hope to be feeling better again by tomorrow. Rumiton (talk) 11:16, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi

Hi. I just wanted to say thanks for telling me to use Edit Summaries when i edited NSW, it seemed to have got me into the habit of doing so. Thanks! 11coolguy12 (talk) 09:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Sydney

If you get a chance, could you have a look at Talk:Sydney#Historical population? I can't help feeling that the edits are similar to somebody else. Maybe it's just my paranoia, I have a strong suspicion of anyone with "729" in their username. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:40, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

They do seem a little suspect but I would have thought past check user's on the socks would have picked this one up. Don't worry there is another "new" editor who is rather suspect at a few other article's I've edited. Bidgee (talk) 10:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For the research done on User_talk:Frisch1.

LauraHale (talk) 20:54, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Laura. :) Bidgee (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Why did you remove it?

Ronald McDonald House did do that you erased!!!!

Bobherry talk -- Hi!! 17:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Because it was an unconstructive edit were you changed the wording and added uncited content which was poorly worded. Bidgee (talk) 23:47, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

How do we go about 'unblacklisting' AusBT?

Hi Bidgee – how do we go about removing AusBT (Australian Business Traveller) from your blacklist? AusBT is independent, run by professional journalists, quick to move on the major stories and also breaks many stories ahead of the mainstream media (or includes information not in those stories, due to their more mainstream audience). Being able to include this information in Misplaced Pages articles with appropriate citations would seem to make sense, so I'd appreciate your advice as to what is needed to remove AusBT from the 'blacklist'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.169.188.250 (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

bump - Hey Bidgee, can you offer your thoughts on the above? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djsflynn (talk • contribs) 09:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Re:121.220.45.16

I just noticed the first few edits they made. Yes, definately trolling. If S/he continues AIV will do the trick. "and one of your editors appears to be attacking me.... corruption?" - Person attacking is claiming someone is attacking them - that's different ;) -- MST☆R 09:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Your username

Time you did something about it!! Every bloody Budgie I have ever seen has a U in it!! all the best for the Feustive Season. Cheers Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:10, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

3RR warning

You have violated WP:3RR. Now, i guess you've decided to ignore my edit summaries, as i explicitly requested you take this issue up on the talk page of Russell Crowe before reverting furthur. But it seems you have decided it's your way or the highway. WP:FUTURE is an issue, yes, but for an actor's filmography, i don't think it works. If a film's date changes, change the date. If a film is cancelled, remove the film. So much easier than remove it altogether. I'm going to revert you again, and i expect you to finally go to the talk page. RAP (talk) 16:15 20 December 2011 (UTC)