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• Merecat (talk · contribs · logs)

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On Rationales to impeach George W. Bush there is a dispute over contents and alleged POV. Despite repeated requests to discuss his edits he keeps asserting things, adding tags, deleting contents, all this in a very disruptive way. Nomen Nescio 18:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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He claims the article is POV and deletes and adds information, but refuses to explain his edits. He added verify tag when in fact he is also complaining about the numerous references. He keeps objecting to the style of references while that is the current policy on wikipedia. He has now started making personal attacks on my person. Nomen Nescio 18:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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1. Uncivil behaviour, accusations and personal attacks.I noticed this edit of yours today. I will not quickly forget some of your recent edits and actions, including this one. "Nescio reverted this article more than anyone on April 11th, several times while hiding as an IP editor""Also, I might add that Nescio recently made a "vandal" report regarding this page in which he alleged that I (merecat) am one and the same at User:80.220.222.68. I submit to the others here that this is a false allegation by Nescio and I am happy to challenge Nescio to agree that a "checkuser" be performed solely to see if "80.220.222.68" is me or rather, someone else, perhaps Nescio himself...?""Your edit to the date portion of that tag is evidence that you are trying to provoke trouble."
2. Add clean-up tag to Rationales to impeach George W. Bush, but then fails to explain why, and refuses to even discuss how to improve the perceived POV. And later he again tags it without any explanation.
3. Started edit war redirecting pages on Rationales to impeach George W. Bush corrected here and on Plame affair.
4. Adding verify tag to well-sourced article.
5. Added tag complaining about reference style, although the article uses the new style adopted by wikipedia.Although the subject had already been dismissed by other on other pages: (User talk:Merecat, Talk:Killian documents, Misplaced Pages:Village pump (assistance), Misplaced Pages:Village pump (all), Misplaced Pages:Village pump (miscellaneous)/Archive, Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)/Archive, Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)/Archive, Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive35)
6. Added tag alleging factual inaccuracy while the multitude of references show otherwise.
7. Makes edit contrary to historical facts.
8. Trying to insert "partisan" as his way of NPOV.
9. Deletes reference to Center for Constitutional Rights without substantiating his claims of POV.
10. Deletes on sight without realizing that although the page is from commondreams, the original articles were from The Nation, FindLaw, Associated Press and The Progressive.
11. After agreeing to mediation I retracted the initial RFC. However, in stead of awaiting mediation Merecat has again started his edit war. And now this has resulted in page protection.

Applicable policies and guidelines

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1. WP:CIVIL for making uncalled for remarks
2. WP:DISRUPT refusing to discuss disputed edits, for adding unwarranted tags and failing to explain why, objecting to official cite style, engaging in edit warring, deleting sourced material and inserting POV.
3. WP:NPA making personal attacks
4. WP:VAND for adding unwarranted tags, objecting to official cite style, engaging in edit warring, deleting sourced material and inserting POV.
5. WP:DR failing to discuss disputed edits, and then following a request for mediation continues wuith his edit war, after already having turned that into a violation of WP:3RR.
6. WP:NPOV deleting facts and inserting clearly POV words like "partisan."

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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1. See entire talk page below End Notes
2. Asked about tag, no response.
3. Asked about edit, no response.

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1. Nomen Nescio 18:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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Response

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If you read this you will see that Nescio is up to no good in that he is trying to use this RFC to beat me into silence. Please take note that my position is supported by admin User:Spangineer (read this for details) or see this for the diff. Also, more than 4 days ago, on the talk page of the disputed article, I asked Nescio for mediation to solve some of our interpersonal differences. See my offer here. He has not responded yet. I ask that this complaint by Nescio be remanded to mediation. I also ask that a checkuser be performed against Nescio to see if he was the one who posted this false allegation against me. I have asked him four times if these edits were done by him, but he refuses to answer.

As for Nescio's allegation that I do not respond on talk, I categorically deny that and offer this proof: As of just now (05:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)), I have 69 edits to Rationales to impeach George W. Bush (see edit tool stats here) and 139 edits to Talk:Rationales to impeach George W. Bush (see edit tool stats here). This is almost 2 to 1 talk page edits to article edits on the page in dispute. On the other hand, Nescio himself has 122 edits to Rationales to impeach George W. Bush (see edit tool stats here) but only 115 edits to Talk:Rationales to impeach George W. Bush (see edit tool stats here). I strongly object to Nescio's action with this RFC and suggest that he is the one doing wrong here.Merecat 04:49,

Additional information pending when I get home from work today. Merecat 18:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)13 April 2006 (UTC)

I do not deny he made edits to the talk page. What I say is that these comments do not constitute debate and are not intended to resolve any differences regarding the contents of the article in question. Nomen Nescio 19:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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Jossi (talk · contribs)

I see no evidence of WP:NPA or WP:CIVIL violations by Merecat. As for the other alleged violations, I do not see these either. The article attracts controversy, obviously, and both editors can do with a cool off period, that I enforced by a page protection. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 18:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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Johnleemk (talk · contribs)

I do not see any problems with civility here. There have been no personal attacks, nor any major violations of civility. (Although Merecat could chill out a little bit.) However, some of Merecat's actions appear questionable, such as adding the {{verify}} tag to what was obviously one of our better-sourced articles. The references may be web-based, but appear to conform to WP:RS. I would advise both sides to calm down and perhaps make use of an article RfC to gain outside and probably more objective views of the article. Johnleemk | Talk 18:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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WilliamThweatt (talk · contribs)

First off, I want to say that I have not been asked by either party involved to comment nor have even been contacted by either party concerning this dispute. I happened upon this page another way. I subsequently have looked at the article and the talk pages.

I do not see any problems with civility here by Merecat. However, I have had trouble with Nescio before at articles such as NSA warrantless surveillance controversy and Terrorist surveillance programming.

Nescio is very partisan in his edits and very aggressive toward those who disagree with his POV to the point of baiting them and leaving no choice but edit war or mediation. He constantly inserts liberally biased "facts" into controversial articles backing them up with references to left-wing journals and blogs (which include commentary and edited quotes) instead of linking to the source material directly. When questioned or challenged on talk pages he often answers with non-sequitors or accuses the challenger of being POV by trying to neutralize his POV. It's my opinion that, now that somebody is matching his heavy-handed tactics, he is whining about it here. (Sorry, Nescio, you invited comment by bringing the discussion here).

That having been said, I actually do respect Nescio and his right to his opinion (just wish he'd keep it out of the articles). He and I have been able to compromise and work out our differences. I think he is intelligent (or clever), well read, and a necessary foil to people like Merecat and myself here on Misplaced Pages and I look forward to working with him again in the future.

This step was not necessary and if the two users can not work things out, it should go to mediation as Merecat had suggested. I see no violation of policies or guidelines by either party other than maybe an unwillingness to compromise by Nescio.--WilliamThweatt 19:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

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