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Journey Page--Hunsicker Story

I like your edits. Good job!

I'm sorry I didn't explain why I undid your original edits to the Hunsicker story; but I think you figured it out with your subsequent edit; there needed to be a better (and, it turns out, more stable) source. You've now provided that (i.e. Jeremey's blog). I've enhanced the statement and put it in the context of the latest conjectures as to who the band will ultimately pick.

I saw a lot in common between Jeremey's experiences with the band and my own with band management a few years ago, and frankly I'm not surprised about what happened to him. It's unfortunate that the people who have created such great tunes over the years don't always live up to our expectations of them as people. But as you can tell, I'm sure, from work on the page over the summer, I'm not letting those old feelings interfere with my commitment to N.P.O.V.

I actually never met Jeremey when I was living in VA a few years back, and that's one of my regrets. In any event, thanks for keeping an eye on the page and adding the story. Dave Golland 17:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I'm disappointed with the band as well - they blew it with Soto, and now with Jeremey. It will be interesting to see how the whole Arnel thing pans out. Love the site, by the way. Weatherman90 23:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

FROM THE ORLANDO WEEKLY:

CORRECTION: Stop Believin'

Last month, our paper ran a show preview for Frontiers: A Tribute to Journey, who played the Social. In the preview, we mentioned a tidbit that came straight from Frontiers itself, via their official website:

In their search for a new lead singer, the members of the current Steve Perry–less Journey extended an offer to Jeremey Hunsicker, frontman of Journey tribute band Frontiers.

Although Hunsicker received a co-writing credit on the real Journey's latest album and the band confirmed there were serious discussions, some questions have been raised in our comments section regarding whether or not he was actually offered the job as lead singer of Journey, especially since the story was repeated in our music column a week later.

The website for Frontiers reads: The band rehearsed and wrote new music, broke bread together, and made plans for an upcoming tour in 2008. Hunsicker would return to Virginia that summer, offer in hand, as the new vocalist of Journey.

In the spirit of due diligence, I spent the last couple of weeks speaking with the real Journey's publicist off and on, then to their management company and finally Journey's spokesperson today who confirmed there was never an official offer to Hunsicker.

So, throw away the vague interviews with the band that have been quoted here; this is a firm denial. Hunsicker is a liar. Everyone clear on this now?

Good.

Posted by Justin Strout on 8/13/2008 4:19:24 PM Permalink | Comments: 53 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.26.170 (talk) 07:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Journey Page--Don't Stop Believin'

Hi Sleigh; I just wanted to thank you and say "good job" on your recent work on the Journey page. I've edited only one minor item that you changed: although "believing" is correctly spelled as I just did, the way the band spelled it when they entitled the song was "believin'" with the apostrophe for the dropped "g." Dave Golland 21:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I commented on your entry on my talk page, but after I did, I thought about it some more...

As a paid professor of history (& self-appointed Journey expert & page revisionist) YOU should have caught this glaring mistake well before I did. I'm just a "puke-pail" random editor, and yet I upstage "Mr. Professor"?!. I forced this page change (and undoubtedly deserve some compensation from several interested parties that I'll never receive or get any recognition for). You missed this incredibly easy error time and time again, and yet you chastise me about "minor edits". Grrrrr.... Who's is charge here? Looks like some heads might need to roll... Doc9871 (talk) 08:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Didn't mean to be quite so harsh with you, just firm. In radically improving Don't Stop Believin', I just meant that we should work together on improving the Journey landscape, rather than trivialize each others' edits. Peace, and no hard feelings, please... Doc9871 (talk) 08:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk Page: Cecil B. Moore

I am trying to find better sources since the Inquirer article has been misplaced. Aside from the monuments and mural on the avenue that now bears his name, I haven't had much to rely on. Stay tuned... --Pastricide! 18:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Try Matthew J. Countryman, Up South: Civil Rights and Black Power in Philadelphia, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 2006). The book contains an index with copious entries on C.B. Moore. Dave Golland 18:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Journey Page--"Magazine" Style

Hi Svetovid--

Good edits, overall.

I've changed the sub-headings in an attempt to address the "Magazine" tag you left on the page (and removed the tag). Please let me know what you think, and if I'm heading in the right direction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave Golland (talk • contribs) 21:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I need your help! Can you please make a few changes to the tone so I can get a better sense of how you'd like me and the other editors of the page to proceed? Dave Golland (talk) 23:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I rewrote the 'Lead Singer Replaced Again, 2006-Present' section. The best way to improve writing is to look out for deadwood phrases (wordiness) and weasel words. Content introduced by words indicating that it is based on rumors is probably not worth keeping.
Content with no sources/references, especially if it makes bold claims, should be rewritten or removed.
Example from the article: "With the mediocre sales of the album Next, the band was pressured by the studio to change direction and find a lead singer who could also, unlike the keyboard-bound Gregg Rolie, serve as a frontman."
The sentence says that the sales of the album were mediocre, but there is no source. It also says that the band was pressured, again without a source. Lack of sources is a general problem of the article.--Svetovid (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Looks like I and the other editors still have our work cut out for us. It may be awhile, but I'll see to it that the whole thing is overhauled for style. I'll ask you before I remove the magazine tag again.Dave Golland 01:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, I've rewritten the entire article. Please take a look and remove the tag if you feel it's appropriate to do so; if not, please let me know what else I need to do. Thanks!Dave Golland (talk) 17:04, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Journey Page and Steve Perry

Thanks for restoring the deleted paragraph on Gregg Rolie's decision to leave the band.

I'd like to talk about your recent decision to move Steve Perry to the top of the list of former members of Journey. I think that by doing so, you made the article lose its NPOV by implying that his contribution to the band was more important than those of the other former members. I know that many Journey fans would agree with such an implication, but I also know many others who feel that such a statement is at least arguable. Even if it were absolutely true, I think that elevating Perry to the top of the list would require a re-ordering of ALL former members based on their relative importance, and I can't see how we would resolve the question of importance between Prairie Prince and Bob Glaub, for instance, or between Robert Fleischman and Randy Jackson. There simply is no impartial "importance meter" with which to make such a list, unless we were to have a replay of the Gdansk vote (and I really don't think Journey rises to that level of importance). There may be other listing methods that meet NPOV standards besides alphabetical, but I can't see simply elevating Perry to the top as one.

Please note that Bob Glaub and Robert Fleischman are also former members of Journey (a drummer in 1986 and a singer in 1977, respectively). I would appreciate it if you would not delete them from the list.

Thanks, Dave Golland (talk) 07:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't pay much attention to the member list. I was just restoring a vandalised paragraph. Thanks for putting the two missing names back. The standard format is to put the names in chronological order. Alpha is fine. One thing to note... by wp:mos-l... the names in that section don't need to be linked as they are already linked more than enough in the article. It's just bad form. 156.34.142.110 (talk) 13:42, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha. Chronological might work better, I agree. I'll delete the links in the text and leave them in the list. Thanks again!Dave Golland (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Journey article rewrite

Please see my recent comment at Talk:Journey (band). I don't doubt your good intentions, but I think you have a skewed idea of what the WP restrictions are regarding articles on musical artists. See the FA examples I gave; there are a bunch of others. Wasted Time R (talk) 22:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I've replied on the Journey discussion page.Dave Golland (talk) 03:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Journey page-NOR tag

Are you planning to add an item to the discussion page of the Journey article explaining why you added the NOR tag? I'm not disputing the validity of the tag but you should start a discussion so that the editors can consider how to change the article to satisfy NOR.Dave Golland (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I was editing at work and it slipped my mind. I usually follow up with concrete evidence to support my tagging of WP:NOR (see Trainspotting for example). I have added the motivation for the tagging to the talk page. LeilaniLad (talk) 14:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Stevie Roseman

Hi Dave Golland, I am totally wet behind the ears regarding Misplaced Pages and how to navigate. I do wish to enhance verifiable information regarding the the rock band Journey page plus other (mostly musical) subject pages with missing data that I'm certain will help for future accuracy.

I posted a comment on "my talk" however I'm not even certain I did that right? Help please!! Thank you somebody! alotofsunshine(Alotofsunshine (talk) 08:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC))

Hi,

So far the Journey page doesn't list musicians who contributed only one song in the studio or joined the band on stage for one concert. The last time I recall this coming up was a few months ago when someone insisted that singer Michael Bolton was a former member of Journey. It turned out that Bolton did sing with two members of Journey at a tribute, but that did not make him a former member of the band.

The issue with Roseman is somewhat different in that as far as I can tell, no one is claiming that he is a former member. In that sense he is similar to the one or two studio players who worked with Journey on one or two tracks of the Raised on Radio album. I know the article includes Mike Baird, Bob Glaub, and Randy Jackson; perhaps the case could be made that Roseman contributed to Journey on that level, which in my opinion would be grounds for inclusion.

Stylistically, the way to add verifiable facts to a Misplaced Pages article is to be as concise as possible and to integrate the new text fully with the existing text.

I'm moving this conversation to the Journey discussion page. The article (along with everything else in Misplaced Pages) is collaborative; sounder minds than mine may have thoughts on this.

Dave Golland (talk) 14:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

You can also include the information in the trivia section, which is currently invisible in the main article but can be found by clicking the "edit" tab." The entire trivia section should probably become its own Misplaced Pages article. Dave Golland (talk) 14:35, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

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Operation COOKIE MONSTER

YUM!Dave Golland (talk) 03:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Revision of Template:Journey

I noticed you reverted my edit to Template:Journey on the grounds that the template didn't distinguish between current and past members. I can understand this, but the standard method for band templates is to put the current members on one line in boldface, and the past members on a line (or lines, in this case) below them not using boldface. This is distinction enough, and it is used on many band templates.

Thanks, Xnux the Echidna 05:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Please bring it up as an item for general discussion on the Journey talk page.Dave Golland (talk) 14:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Journey grammar

the word 'ultimate' is implying a finality to the results and was what I was taking aim with, as most definitions of the word include 'ending' or 'final.' And the current wording still has an implication of being 'the end.'

can you offer a different alternative? i tried to frame it as a present-progressive because the album is still being printed and is for sale.RCHM (talk) 23:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, that's a good point. go ahead and undo my revision and return the text to your own.Dave Golland (talk) 14:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

okeeeRCHM (talk) 17:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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Flies and Honey

I've moved your comments re: my behavior to my talk page. If you expect any discourse on it, much less any change, I suggest you continue the discussion there.

Dolph Briscoe

I apparently slipped and used the wrong summary, that's Firefox for you. Anyway, its inappropriate for that to be there, you cannot use yourself as a reference I'm afraid, no offense but you're not a reliable source, we have no real way of knowing you are who you say you are, even though you probably are.--Jac16888 01:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

As I said the first time I undid your edit, the statement needs a reference, and as long as there are no other known references, the current one needs to stay. This is not about me being who I say I am, but rather the fact that Briscoe's pilot is Chuck Yeager's cousin. Suggest a better source. Dave Golland (talk) 04:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

If the statement needs a reference, you need to either find a valid one, or else remove the statement altogether, standard procedure if a statement cannot be properly referenced. As it stands, its inappropriate--Jac16888 03:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Since you've yet to come up with a genuine usable source for this section, I have followed standard procedure and removed it all together, since it is somewhat trivial anyway, the fact that his ex-pilot is not-that closely related to another famous pilot has little bearing on the subject. Please do not revert this again, bear in mind that you have now reverted 3 separate editors over this without attempting to discuss it, or to respond to the comment above this one.--Jac16888 18:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the heads-up. Dave Golland (talk) 00:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

re: no fansites

Section 4 of WP:EL is particularly noteworthy when considering fansite links (mainly the "doesn't provide anything that the article doen't already have")... BUT.... the true killer of fansites (98% of them) is the hefty section 2 which, in no long-winded way says "do not knowingly link to any website that contains copyvio content"... which your website does. It sources some items... but does not properly declare "used with permission." Deep Purple, The Who... etc... all have excellent fan hosted websites... but none pass WP:EL and so none are used on Misplaced Pages. That being said, Misplaced Pages does accept the addition of a DMOZ link (there is even a template for it). Any good DMOZ link for any band will contain the noteworthy fansite you are promoting and the DMOZ link does not violate any Misplaced Pages policy. (see Iron Maiden, Motorhead or

Sure... DMOZ is www.dmoz.org. It is the "Open Directory Project" You can get their link added there. Here is the direct link to the Journey DMOZ directory. The correct template for Journey would be {{dmoz|/Arts/Music/Bands_and_Artists/J/Journey/|Journey}}. It can be added to the Journey External links section which will then negate every other external link currently in the section (minus the band's official website link which is standard on all musical artist/band pages) I am off for the weekend.(taking my Scout troop to do some volunteering at a local food bank on Saturday... then an all day snowshoe hike on Sunday... Brrr!) Have a good weekend. The Real Libs-speak politely 20:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Nit-picking and ownership

(Moved from ER to Drmargi (talk) and then here.)

Drmargi, your recent comment in the edit summary says a lot about your attitudes regarding the ER page. You assume nitpicking when in fact I was being helpful. (Your own edits in the past, such as not allowing other editors to update the page to reflect a new episode mere minutes before it was broadcast, might be reasonably construed as nit-picking, but not silent, minor, formatting changes.) You have also assumed malicious intent in other editors when there has been no evidence of such intent. Perhaps you are editing in a bad mood? Either way, I have decided that your behavior borders on ownership of this page and will be therefore be watching more closely. Dave Golland (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Moving this discussion here (to Drmargi (talk)) is fine as long as you leave it up until it is resolved. I noticed you deleted your entire talk page a couple of months ago, suspiciously soon after this comment. Dave Golland (talk) 17:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Please don't think me in any way belligerent. Tone in difficult to interpret in text, as you know. So as not to be misinterpreted: I am not attacking you, but registering concern, and hoping that we can all take a breath before assuming the worst in our fellow editors. In my opinion, the readers of the ER page are fortunate that you are so vigilant. I'm just hoping that you will see that some of your recent actions can seem a bit heavy-handed, and will consider toning it down a bit.

Consider me stuck in honey. ;-)

Dave Golland (talk) 18:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Drmargi - you really need to take a break from this article - you've basically become an owner of it, and it violates[REDACTED] policy. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 06:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I see you and DaveGolland have been chatting. I feel no such thing; these accusations are an attempt to manipulate me into going along with what you guys want in the face of reliable evidence to the contrary by using personal attacks. Comments such as your are a violation of policy, and should be limited to my talk page. Drmargi (talk) 08:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Drmargi, I still don't see anyone attacking you. As with the "reliable evidence," there is a difference between your opinion and the facts. Can't we have a reasonable disagreement (including the question of ownership) without assuming that it's personal? I don't know you, and I have nothing personal against you. But I do feel that some of your edits on the ER page can be construed as ownership. A major part of that is my sense that you have created a set of rules in your head for the ER page--rules that other users have neither agreed to nor been apprised of. (If they have, in some archived talk page, please furnish a link.) I'm not just talking about rules of evidence, but rules about what can be included in the page. If it's something that has been dealt with before, kindly explain so in the edit summary or in the talk page.

Finally, my asking JustSomeRandomGuy32 to comment on the Wyle question does not constitute our "chatting." He made an edit to the main page that I felt he should express on the Talk page, so I asked him to do it. And since I really wanted him to do so, because his opinion would bolster mine, I told him that I would appreciate it. And I do. But not personally; only in my capacity as a cyberspace Misplaced Pages editor. I don't know him personally any more than I know you personally. If he replied to me on his page, I haven't seen it. I'm not watching his page.

Perhaps you and I could both take a breather from the page this weekend? There are plenty of other users to fight the vandals for forty-eight hours. Maybe we'll return on Monday better able to see common ground.

Dave Golland (talk) 01:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I see you couldn't do it. Dave Golland (talk) 16:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

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Medcab: ER (TV series)

I have made some opening remarks at the Mediation Cabal page and am interested in progressing towards a workable solution. Regards, Jd027 19:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Update: I've revised the mediation page here, and presented a solution I think is fair to both sides. Regards, Jd027 22:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

"Thank you, that's much better!" (your message to me regarding improvements to the Journey article)

Thank YOU, as well! Usually when I get those things that pop up that say "messages regarding last edit", I have come to expect (as well as dread) arrogant, nasty, and often scathing and demoralizing remarks, in which some know-it-all intimidating jerk is "informing" me that I was wrong and that I don't know shit from shinola about such and such a topic! It's extremely refreshing to get some POSITIVE reinforcement for a change! I'm glad that I can be of help; I enjoy writing, because it's an excellent outlet. The usual arrogant and disparaging remarks that I usually get regarding edits and such have, in large, turned me off to editing Misplaced Pages, and as a result I've done it less and less; people, including you and I, are doing this in their own free time, for no pay..... I would surmise that a LOT of people have been turned off and have quit editing Misplaced Pages because of getting headstrong attitudes from control freaks who are on some kind of ego trip. I really do appreciate your compliment. By the way, I don't mind positive criticism (most people don't), but in my experience with Misplaced Pages, most criticism is of the negative, brow-beating nature; criticism with a disdainful and dehumanizing tone. But anyway, again, thank you for your positive feedback! Most people, it seems, let people know how they're doing only when they are doing things badly. It's refreshing for someone to go out of their way with a compliment. If there was more of that, in my opinion, less people would be intimidated from participating in writing and editing Misplaced Pages. Runt (talk) 21:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

ER edits

Hey, I don't know if you remember me, but I constantly edit the ER page and the related pages as well. The last thing I want is to recreate that never ending discussion of you with Drmargi. But I wanted to know what end took that discussion and what was the consensus. Because she is editing all of the related pages putting Noah Wyle as a guest star. And she also edited the ER's Template page, leaving it quite messy and disfunctional. Hope you can help me. Cheers. Takeit10 (talk) 14:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

ER

I see you are an ER fan so I thought I would let you know that I just created a page on Rose Gregorio who portrays Helen Hathaway, the mother of Carol Hathaway on ER. Her character isn't listed anywhere so I thought you might want to add it to appropriate lists etc.Broadweighbabe (talk) 17:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

MEDCAB

If there is no objection, I would motion to end the MEDCAB case on ER (TV series). It seems that everyone has moved on and that mediation is no longer needed. Jd027 (talk) 03:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

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Journey

Thanks! Thanks! I like that you added Gregg in. Good! It looks good! Best, --Discographer (talk) 18:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I think we have to leave the dot in because it keeps knowcking the word Albums from the same line out. --Discographer (talk) 18:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Gravesend Crime

I am sorry i took so long to respond about my recent crime edits. You recently said that you are concerned that it was POV and unsourced. I have specified a source a while ago, and would like to inform you of it. Thank You! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brooklyn2430 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

"Open Arms"

Hi there Dave.I found you through edit count on the main Journey page because I'm in need of some assistance. So I'm working on Mariah Carey pages and making them GA, but now I'm at "Open Arms". Honestly, I don't know a thing about them and am lost since I would have to improve their section as well. So would you please be willing to do a co-GA with me, where you do their part and I do Mariah's version? We'd split the page. Does that sound ok? :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 04:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

GA is the abbreviation for "Good Article". Novice7 Talk 11:25, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks Novice. So yeah, I don't no anything about Journey, and I saw you have edited their pages allot. Sure thats fine, I'll do other articles until then. Can you give me a date to go by? Thanks.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 19:35, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

South Brooklyn

I'm confused, isnt South Brooklyn the old name of the combined neighborhoods south of town down Brooklyn and the navy yard?

• This site (shows a map of what they say is South Brooklyn?)
• I found this The South Brooklyn Post (Its states Carroll Gardens, Cobble Hill, Boerum Hill under the title)
• Brooklyn by name: how the neighborhoods, streets, parks, bridges and more.. by Leonard Benardo and Jennifer Weiss (pg. 57-61) {about South Brooklyn)

I don't known what is right, can you explain what is considered South Brooklyn. I thought it was the area before the neighborhoods changed names and separated from the old term of South Brooklyn (is that right or wrong?) what's the real "South Brooklyn"? Can you help me out? --Vic49 (talk) 00:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I back up Vic. Although the name is confusing and most people do not know out, South Brooklyn is in fact nowhere near present day southern Brooklyn. --Nricardo (talk) 02:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that removing Bococa is a good idea (it's only a realtor term). For 'South Brooklyn creating a new section would be appropriate. It should include the definition what was and what is South Brooklyn today. --Vic49 (talk) 18:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Journey, Brian Camelio

Thanks! See my reply here. --Edcolins (talk) 10:01, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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Journey thru Time

Dave, hey buddy, thanks for creating that artcle! That's two authors I now know here on Misplaced Pages (the other is User:BoxingGoMan who wrote Lineage Unbroken: The Complete Lineal Tracing of World Heavyweight Championship Boxing (Post-Marciano Era) 1956-2003. I also love Journey very much, the music in that time was so magical, something that our younger generation unfortunately didn't get to witness themselves! Ever since the vinyl 45 rpm single era ended circa 1990, even with digital succeeding analog at that very same time, music just went down hill ever sense. As you already know my friend, back in the 1980s it wasn't "Don't Stop Believin'" that was their signature song (post-2000 was that result), but it was "Open Arms" and "Who's Crying Now". My favorite Journey songs are the original version of "Feelin' That Way" called "Velvet Curtain" (I think that's what it was called, with just Gregg Rolie singing), "Any Way You Want It", "Little Girl" (beautiful song), "Who's Crying Now", "Open Arms" (way by far!), "Faithfully" and "Send Her My Love". "Foolish Heart", Steve Perry's solo, is a lovely song too. I also, somewhat, kind of like "Suzanne" and "Girl Can't Help It". I've often wondered what Steve Perry would have sounded like on Bad English hits such as "Forget Met Not". The hit songs in the Atari-era early 1980s were just truly amazing! Journey gave to humanity a harmonious "journey through time" that definately defined the ages of that era, and withstood the tests of time! I wouldn't be surprised if youn agreed! Best, --Discographer (talk) 01:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)