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Concerning your discussion

Ok i've just read a discussion you had with a user of the view that 'imperialism, slavery and semitism' are White Christian discoveries. I mentioned on the Dickens talk page that there was an excessive non white emphasis by the user which is way out of proportion than what you would find in a book on him (for example the 'Franklin incident' section is longer tnan 'Later Years', and has a lot content that has nothing to do with Dickens). Another editor posited that the article was being used as a soapbox to advance a personally held political position. Are you aware of any other literary article on[REDACTED] where politicizing to this extent has occured? Harrison 1979 (talk) 00:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC

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In response to this message that you left on my talk page: You should do a bit of reading in the article loaded language. Just because the BBC uses a word doesn't mean it isn't a loaded term. And we can't use loaded terms here because of WP:NPOV. Furthermore, I would like to point out that using ad hominems is a sign of weakness. Accusing me of "loving Assad and Gaddafi" only shows that you've got no substantive arguments to dispute my edits. - TaalVerbeteraar (talk) 16:46, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Wp uses the language that is widely/commonly used in the real world press/media - not scum language. the BBC has more kudos than scum . all your edits are scum edits imo. not very eloquent but there you are.Sayerslle (talk) 16:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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Per "all your edits are scum edits imo. not very eloquent but there you are" on this talk page. You also called another editor a 'fucking moron vandal.' EdJohnston (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

who is igorfrom. i dunno. i still feel, and i wasn't going to keep on , it is best as far as posible , (and i like this quote from dante ) to ' go your way, and let the people speak' ..Sayerslle (talk) 12:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Jean Simmons

Re the comment you made in your recent change on the Jean Simmons page, Pascal was a director, Rank was the production company. Pascal spotted Jean and probably organised the contract but the contract would have been with Rank -- SteveCrook (talk) 09:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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I did not intend to offend you with my opinion about a particular paper or UK papers in general. I read many UK papers each day online including the BBC and The Daily Telegraph. My intent was to be objective as possible about the article and sources and to steer clear of subjective sources. I have thought more about my stance on the email situation and have started a new section to discuss a new approach to them so that we can include more content that you would like to see added. I invite you to participate. Sincerely, Veriss (talk) 04:01, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Peter Cruddas

Fast work! This is why I love Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It's listening to Radio 5 live too much really while sitting at my desk. Sayerslle (talk) 23:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

with no blood on him

Sorry! I accidentally deleted that part! I meant only to remove the analysis. Sorry for that! Gaijin42 (talk) 01:58, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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Red Terror Spain

I don't necessarily have a problem with inclusion of your recent edit in the article. I don't think it belongs in the lede, though. If you want to keep it POV neutral and place it in an appropriate part of the article, I think we'd have agreement regarding the contribution. Otherwise, it is still contested. If you want to push it, I feel pretty confident it won't remain in the lede, it doesn't meet the standards for inclusion there. Mamalujo (talk) 16:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Qu'est ce que c'est? a message - oh no - no agreement ever - "its Dog Eat Dog - - I'm just waking up/The dove is in the dungeon/ and the white-washed hawks/ pedal hate and call it love/Dog eat dog/ Holy hope in the hands of/snakebite evangelists and racketeers -It's dog eat dog, ain't it Flim-Flam man?Dog eat dog, you can lie,/cheat,skim,scam/beat 'em any way you can/" -Joni Mitchell dontcha know - no agreement avec vous, ever - Sayerslle (talk) 00:09, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how they think they are serving the interests of peace, the Catholic Church, by what they do. Anyone who is genuinely seeking spiritual nourishment are put off by any hint of lying. Why should they believe in things that cannot be seen when the "evangelists" lie about things that can be be verified? Yt95 (talk) 16:13, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I agree - and I keep thinking of more Joni Mitchell lyrics I'm listening to at the moment , when thinking about certain figures in history -'We're no flaming angels/And he's not heaven sent/How can he speak for the Prince of Peace/ When he's hawk-right-militant ...'Sayerslle (talk) 19:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Funny that, I've been thinking about buying a Joni Mitchell cd this past while. The last album I have of her is "The Hissing of the Summer Lawns" on vinyl from the 70's so I was thinking of getting a sort of greatest hits type collection. Any recommendations? Yt95 (talk) 01:34, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

You know i was looking on Amazon yesterday because listening to Dog eat Dog - which has several tracks i think are brilliant (Good Friends with Michael McDonald especilly) and I thought I'd like to get the next two of her Geffen albums Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm and Night Ride Home because I don't know those- What sparked my listening to Dog Eat Dog again was Whitney Houstons untimely death and the 1985/86 era came back to me when I listened to 3 records over and over -Whitneys debut album, Dog Eat Dog by Joni Mitchell,and Pat Benatar's Tropico album -all summer, must have been 1986, - so I'm not up on the arc of Joni Mitchells entire career really I'm afraid- I Love Hejira too though, and Coyote which just evokes Canada for me for some reason though I was only there for two weeks a long time ago - I'd look for a greatest hits album that had 'Woodstock', 'Good Friends', and 'Coyote', on it - or get Dog eat Dog and Hejira... ! Sayerslle (talk) 03:09, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I especially like late sixties West Coast music which I also associate Joni with - an old hippy who thinks still thinks there is something in the peace and love ethos so maybe I will start there and work forward. I used to have a rare single of her singing "Circle Game" with James Taylor which I really liked as a kid, though maybe one circle is enough if there is something better. Imagine stuck in[REDACTED] purgatory for ever! Yt95 (talk) 04:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC) But I just looked up the lyrics "There'll be new dreams maybe better dreams and plenty Before the last revolving year is through" so it's not on continuous repeat mode, whew. p.s I see you were born in Headingly. I lived for two years just outside Headingly and really liked the area, great people. Yt95 (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know 'circle game' - i like the look of some of her album covers, Clouds for example, and vinyl records do sound better really dont they - i'm glad you liked Headingley - again, like with Joni, my knowledge is very circumscribed - my family left Yorkshire when i was 2 - mum and I were both born in Leeds by chance, her dad was a gardener working at Harewood House for a bit and my dad worked for the Post office there for a few years only - i've looked at the place using google street view out of curiosity - what a thing for nostalgia google street view is -ive checked out nearly all the places i once knew - have you seen theres a new book out in June 'Eugenio pacelli in the view of scholarship' by peter pfister - could be interesting - i followed a link you gave elsewhere to Paul o'Shea's site and he said he'd changed his mind about Cornwell's work - i wonder why thats come about? - i'd like to get o'shea's book too but i still havent finished Cornwell and Gerard Noels books about pius. so many books!Sayerslle (talk) 19:13, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I was listening in the library today to Circle Game on Youtube

I think you're probably right about O'Shea's reservations - and the title- one can see it might have been chosen to sell copies - I'm reading 'unearthing francos legacy' at the moment and paul prestons essay in it - he writes about the language used by the Right - of the need to exterminate vermin kind of thing - and from sources like Angel herreras 'ascoiation catolica nacional de propagandistas' that in the Asturias for eg the left wing workers 'deserved to be punished by exposure to Moorish atrocities' - that it was ironically just that 'the Moorishness' ie. the barbarsim of the working class left deserved the Moors - it is a kind of racial inferiority being asigned the left - and some of the Carlist language 'there are moving around spain complete teams of creatures injected with rabies - ' -i think i'm less inclined than you to think the anti-Semitism and anti-leftism was not at all stained by ideas of racial inferiority/superiority - and pius - i was very struck by Cornwells book when he reported the letter pacelli wrote back to Rome on revoutionary Munich - full of disgust , physical disgust , for the revolutionaries - whatever else, it all seems millions of miles from the kind of things Jesus would have written Sayerslle (talk) 17:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

The principle was that once a Jew was baptised they ceased to be a Jew whereas with the Nazis once a Jew always a Jew, albeit a baptismal certificate for a converted Jew (the Church called them "Non-Aryan Catholics") did at times bring some protection. I think you are right about language and acts we now call racist being commonly employed in the past even by official organs of the Church, and even the Popes. I think a lot of this is the principle of "otherness" at work, probably at a sub-conscious level. The effect of it is to dehumanise the target group and make them worthy of hate. Hitler more than once said to women at Bertesgarten, when they asked for mercy towards the Jews, words to the effect "you must learn to hate, hate, hate". He probably worked on the assumption that unity and communion founded on love was all very well but human beings have often shown a greater capacity to rally around the flag of hate. This happened on both sides of the Spanish Civil War. At the present time there is worry in Europe about the rise of Neo-Nazi parties in the wake of economic woes and how there is a distant echo of what happened in Germany after the Wall St crash led to an exodus of money to cover the calls of the speculators in the U.S. Hitler was the "strong man" that many turned to then but look what happened. I never used Cornwalls book for anything on[REDACTED] because I have many of the secondary scholarly sources he used for his own work. Though Ronald Rychlak rightly noted the errors, it didn't stop him using Cornwell's book extensively in his own work as a reliable secondary source. (his own book certainly isn't free of issues) Oddly enough it was Cornwell's book that showed me in a couple anecdotes what I took to be maybe Pacelli's true self under all the pomp and circumstance associated with the papacy - a boy. This reminds me of somebody you like. I was talking to a Cistercian several years ago who recalled when Malcolm visited his abbey with a TV crew in 1960's. At that time it was a strictly silent order but when the cameras stopped rolling Malcolm, like a naughty schoolboy, was laughing and kept pushing him to tell him swear words in sign language! Yt95 (talk) 20:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

a boy - Yes, i know what you mean . I wonder if that abbey was Sancta Maria Abbey, Nunraw? I ve seen excerpts from a visit he made there -, he made an excellent film about a trip to Lourdes too around that time 1963-1966 ish -, - though I have to say I think he lost it toward the very end - i saw a couple of months ago the debate he ahd with John Cleese and Michael Palin about the Life of Brian , and I thought John Cleese made Malcolm seem out of time really - he lost his good judgment I think toward the very end. Still love him though. Sayerslle (talk) 20:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, his friend Richard Ingrams thought the same. I think part of the reason is maybe that Malcolm had a kind of very free lifestyle in his early years and, as happens with so many who undergo some kind of conversion experience, he flipped in the opposite direction in his later years. I think there is a bit of the fundamentalist in most people, veering off one way, course correction, veering off in the other direction until some kind of middle of the road state is established? I think Ingrams also said that towards then end, when in his dotage, he thought he expressed anti-Semitic sentiments. I don't know what he said but maybe when the brain has trouble remembering recent patterns of thoughts and memories the old ones still remain. He came through the thirties when anti-Semitic sentiments were nothing unusual. Yt95 (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I read the Ingrams biography when it cam e out - I think i do remember vaguely something about anti-Semitic remarks when his mind was going - - its true that the 1930s was a very strange terible time - even George Orwell surprised me a bit when i read 'down and Out in paris and london' , when hes tramping and he'll write something like (can't remember exatly) ' a grubby looking man, a Jew...' its like it was in the air they all breathed -disastrous - it is disgusting to see parties like Golden Dawn in greece now - is there a fundamentalist in most people? - i remember watching good old john betjeman being asked near the end of his life by jonathan stedall 'is there anything you feel absolutely sure about john?' and he hesitated, thought and then said ' no...i don't think there is - i wouldn't like to lay down the law about anything.' probably the middle of the road is the most mature position, perhaps that was lacking in the 1930s - not enough people willing to stand up for imperfect democracies because of utopian chimeras.Sayerslle (talk) 22:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I kind of take it that "faith" involves a kind of uncertainty otherwise it wouldn't be faith. But even people with no belief in other than the material can be believe they have a truth that other people must accept as the history of the 20th century shows. Maybe it more to do with a personality trait, excercising control over other people, power lust and all that. Religion and science just becomes the vehicle for something which is far more banal. Yt95 (talk) 22:42, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

personality trait - oh gawd - the end of 'Dockery & Son' by Philip Larkin comes to my mind ;

Life is first boredom, then fear/ Whether or not we use it, it goes/ and leaves what something hidden from us chose/And age, and then the only end of age.

some are born to seek to exercise control - others to be mystics, magicians, fools - archetypes - free will? Sayerslle (talk) 01:01, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Often thought about it but no answer, cue Moody Blues "Question" Yt95 (talk) 14:24, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Asma al-Assad

Don't use edit summaries like this one. You should have stopped at WP:NOTAFORUM.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I suggest you alter your editing habits. If you continue to give edit summaries like the above, and like this one , you will be reported for personal attacks. Meowy 01:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

the substance of the edit summary - bias. am i 100% wrong? Sayerslle (talk) 09:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

p.s , from cursory glance at your talk, meowy - 'probably you had never even heard of syria until last year, but now, all whipped up with fake indignation fueled by whatever propaganda news channel you watch - leave[REDACTED] alone.' bloody hell,- and you'd report me. ah well - all part of life's rich pageant i suppose. Sayerslle (talk) 10:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Sayerslle, the immediate matter here concerns your abuse of (and insertion of abuse into) article edit summaries. You have done it many times - it is not just limited to the two examples cited here. This is not what edit summaries are for. Meowy 17:06, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Shia/Alawite

Re: this , I've got no objection to either phrasing myself, but it seems redundant to me to say "Shia/Alawite men from Shia/Alawite villages"--I think that's why another editor altered it originally. Thanks for the addition, btw. That Channel 4 News source is one of the most helpful added to the article yet. Khazar2 (talk) 22:01, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

I think for some readers 'shabiha from shia/alawite villages ..' could mean - the men were not either shia or alawite, but they came from those villages -' I just think spelling it out, as it is in the source, is the better idea - channel 4 News - yes, it is generally pretty excellent i think and has been for ages. Sayerslle (talk) 22:06, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing

I wanted to give you a heads-up that this edit appears to be nearly verbatim from the source, and I've had to adjust it accordingly. Please remember that Misplaced Pages policy on close paraphrasing and copyright violation mean that we have to somewhat rewrite content that we're adding, rather than reproducing sentences verbatim. No harm done, but please be careful with this in the future. Cheers, and thanks for your edits, Khazar2 (talk) 04:27, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

copyright - nightmare - you sent me to the wrong page - please learn about disambiguation. Sayerslle (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean; it appears to me both links are correct. Cutting and pasting from a text without putting the text in quotation marks is straight-up, if minor, copyright violation--"even inserting text copied with some changes can be a copyright violation if there's substantial linguistic similarity in creative language or structure (this can also raise problems of plagiarism)."-- hence the link. As I said, no harm done, but please do be careful in the future. Khazar2 (talk) 14:09, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

grrrr - well when I click on CLOSE - i get a page about Closing discussions - I dont care about minor copyright violations - if theres a transgression, just delete the edit - my experience at other times is that when editors have departed from simple texts from books and papers to use their own creative language they have sometimes departed also from the meaning of what they were seeking to impart from the chosen text - if you get my drift. in any case - as you have said - no harm done. far more important is npov imo - - some have tugged my coat ( phrase I like nicked from Danny Baker ) to tell me they have had to remove a photo or two - like one of malcolm muggeridge from the homage to catalonia article - if they hadn't bothered it seems to me absolutely nothing would have happened - still, . Sayerslle (talk) 15:00, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh, I see. My mistake. And FWIW, I agree with you that it's a very difficult line to walk between being overly faithful to the source and not faithful enough; I struggle with it in my own editing, too. But do be careful about verbatim text--that's definitely on the wrong side of that narrow line! Thanks again for all your work at Houla massacre... Khazar2 (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You do seem very even-handed in your editing on the article. that ANNA source - User:A Quest for Knowledge translated their raison d'etre at the reliable sources noticeboard -thinks it likely its an 'advocacy site', 'a group blog', it has a worldview that determines how it will report events - - Channel 4 news, they go in , and report as they find, no pre-determined script - thats the difference - thats why i thought meco was worth fighting. Sayerslle (talk) 16:22, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

3RR

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User:Sayerslle, what was the point of all that? If an editor feels strongly that something belongs in an article but there are other editors that disagree, that's what the Discussion page is for.—Biosketch (talk) 20:28, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

what was the point of that? i dunno - sorry i disturbed your tourist brochure style. taré Sayerslle (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

South tel aviv

this is not racism like the world think !. the problem is that the origianl citizens of south tel aviv is leaving there homes becouse of these African migrant workers. the residents of tel aviv doמ't mind the fact that are a migrant workers from 40 countries. HOW MANY PEOPLE DID ENGLAND + CHINA + AMERICA WAS DEPORTED  ? .... allways israel is the bad guy ?! ....... intresting . פארוק (talk) 06:49, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Personal attacks

I advise you not to refer to my edits as "utter lying garbage" and accusing me of censorship, as you did here. You know full well that such behaviour may result in being blocked from editing Misplaced Pages, and I will report your misconduct if it happens again. - TaalVerbeteraar (talk) 09:41, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

go for it. Sayerslle (talk) 09:57, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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Reply

You very well know when I said what I said I was methaphorical and not lying. When I said dozens I ment numereous (you in fact reverted 5 times). And I did not accuse you specifically of reverting dozens of times. I was describing what an edit war is in practice, not that you personally reverted dozens of times. You were being too literal. I was trying to make a point that edit warring is not required when we can discuss the issue and reach a consensus. I don't know what is the reason for this behavior. You need to assume good faith from other editors if you wish to work as a team in the effort to positively contribute to Misplaced Pages. But since you are now even accusing me of being a lier, highly uncivil, than I think I have nothing more to discuss with you. In the future, ask for an administrators/arbitors opinion. Good night! EkoGraf (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

you want to look up metaphorical in a dictionary. you exaggerated to paint me in a bad light. Sayerslle (talk) 21:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Why would I want to make you look bad? I don't even know you friend. EkoGraf (talk) 22:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

thats true. i'm going off to read Peter Mansfield (historian) on the middle east - 20 years ago he wrote; "what the Arab world urgently needs is more democracy, wider political participation and much greater respect for human rights."Sayerslle (talk) 23:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

syria

Christians were reportedly present in early demonstrations in Homs but stopped participating in them when Islamist Salafi slogans were proclaimed.

do you think you fairly represented the referenced material with this edit? I couldnt find in the BBC article the emphasis you put on the material here at all. is that because I'm missing something or is it your POV editing? the article says everyone walked off in solidarity with the Xtians and as far as I could see didnt say they stopped participating full stop at allSayerslle (talk) 21:32, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Why do you attribute those edits to me? FunkMonk (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

because in the edit history it isnt there after you edited on 2 march and then it is there after you edited on 4 march. still, a revealing answer in its way i guess. says it allSayerslle (talk) 22:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Read whatever you want into it, who cares, seems I must have mixed up different articles or something, it was months ago. FunkMonk (talk) 22:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

i read into it you are a liar and a twister for your POV - you got 'mixed up' - yeah right. fuck off. Sayerslle (talk) 09:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

why dont admins like wilkins confront twisting liars like this bloke rather than hastle over civility crimes - as if integrity isnt way more important? Sayerslle (talk) 09:24, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

are you allowed to censor my talk page? please don't - Sayerslle (talk) 10:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

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for telling a liar to fuck off - who said 'who cares' about misrepresenting source material, i get a months ban. that is way excessive imo. and wrongheaded - admins semm to prioritise 'civility' over integrity - very wrongheaded - and then loking back - what over 3 years jamesbwatson,, when i have had a few blocks - and then deciding that constituted a pattern of endless, excessive personal attacks - when in 3 years i've had a block a year - normally, until this absurdity - for about 24 hours. Where did i say i had no intention of abiding by wps policy - i have no desire to be sweary - i think if swearing is outlawed totally wp poicies are out of kilter but i dont believe swearing is illegal on wp. anyway- i think this ban is outrageously excessive -and admins should confront POV twisters more - this picking on the odd use of the f word - too easySayerslle (talk) 10:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Misplaced Pages works because people work together. That's why the civility rules are very important- it is not possible for people to work together if they can't be polite to one another. This is your fourth block for making personal attacks, so a month seems very reasonable. Generous, even. It's likely that the next one will be six months, a year, or even indefinite. You seem to think that one block a year for personal attacks is reasonable- it's very unusual. Most people never get blocked, and to have a block log as long as yours but not be permanently blocked is unusual. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 12:12, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

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i dont suppose you bothered to look at what led to my unforgivable use of the f word :

Christians were reportedly present in early demonstrations in Homs but stopped participating in them when Islamist Salafi slogans were proclaimed.

do you think you fairly represented the referenced material with this edit? I couldnt find in the BBC article the emphasis you put on the material here at all. is that because I'm missing something or is it your POV editing? the article says everyone walked off in solidarity with the Xtians and as far as I could see didnt say they stopped participating full stop at allSayerslle (talk) 21:32, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Why do you attribute those edits to me? FunkMonk (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

because in the edit history it isnt there after you edited on 2 march and then it is there after you edited on 4 march. still, a revealing answer in its way i guess. says it allSayerslle (talk) 22:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Read whatever you want into it, who cares, seems I must have mixed up different articles or something, it was months ago. FunkMonk (talk) 22:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

i read into it you are a liar and a twister for your POV - you got 'mixed up' - yeah right. fuck off. Sayerslle (talk) 09:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

-isnt that misrepresenting the source and then denying you wrote it ? is that all fine? - i dont accept no workplace operates properly without the occasional verbal fracas- i've known workplaces where the odd verbal fracas arose - seems par for the course to me - i don't like the implication that you'll enforce a surface perfectionism of conduct while POV twisting and 'subtle' verbal undermining, and mocking bullying such as BWilkins practices is winked at and encouraged - loathesome to me all that - - this last verbal storm in a teacup was all but blown out until the interference of BWilkins - who doesnt seem to actually edit articles much - anyway, teachers rarely get it right when dealing with bullies thats been my experience - c'est la vie. Sayerslle (talk) 16:17, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I think you're confused: the block is not about swearing, it's for calling people "liar" and other such personal attacks, and similar actions throughout your "career" (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:06, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

what does "career" imply - is that a personal attack. or just snidy. like the editor implied he hadnt made the edits that twisted the source material. i guess thats the difference - i just say what i'm thinking, straight out, you leave snidy comments in " " , and you, like the other editor, imply things - mean really. snide.Sayerslle (talk) 11:13, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

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