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:CartoonDiablo re-added it because he/she said it is a MEDRS reliable source and the removal was 'POV'. I think CartoonDiablo needs to read MEDRS again. According to google scholar this source only has 3 citations, and it's actually 8 years old, not 6. It isn't POV to remove a source because it isn't high quality - '''that's what MEDRS tells us to do'''! :CartoonDiablo re-added it because he/she said it is a MEDRS reliable source and the removal was 'POV'. I think CartoonDiablo needs to read MEDRS again. According to google scholar this source only has 3 citations, and it's actually 8 years old, not 6. It isn't POV to remove a source because it isn't high quality - '''that's what MEDRS tells us to do'''!

::First of all my mistake, the study is actually a ] because it reviews numerous secondary sources (which are themselves reviews of literally hundreds of effectiveness studies) to get its result. That means it is the highest possible standard as a medical study.
::And secondly there is no standard per MEDRS for how often a study needs to be cited (or have any citations at all) to be a reliable source.

::This material has also been removed from the psychoanalysis article on the same baseless grounds. As far as things go, I urge Widescreen either to find another tertiary source that comes with different conclusions so as to show that it's disputed or I'll reinstate the material. ] (]) 18:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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The contents of the Computerised CBT page were merged into Cognitive behavioral therapy on 2011-08-15. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see its history; for the discussion at that location, see its talk page.

Sources for a rewrite

There are thousands of secondary reviews, compliant with WP:MEDRS, of CBT listed on PubMed; here is a small sample of those reviews that are freely available, recent, and can be used for the complete rewrite needed here.

Here are some that are not freely available, but may be useful if someone can get hold of them:

  • Ridgway N, Williams C (2011). "Cognitive behavioural therapy self-help for depression: an overview". J Ment Health. 20 (6): 593–603. doi:10.3109/09638237.2011.613956. PMID 22126636. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
  • Thoma NC, McKay D, Gerber AJ, Milrod BL, Edwards AR, Kocsis JH (2012). "A quality-based review of randomized controlled trials of cognitive-behavioral therapy for depression: an assessment and metaregression". Am J Psychiatry. 169 (1): 22–30. doi:10.1176/appi.ajp.2011.11030433. PMID 22193528. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Kowalik J, Weller J, Venter J, Drachman D (2011). "Cognitive behavioral therapy for the treatment of pediatric posttraumatic stress disorder: a review and meta-analysis". J Behav Ther Exp Psychiatry. 42 (3): 405–13. doi:10.1016/j.jbtep.2011.02.002. PMID 21458405. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Hirshfeld-Becker DR, Micco JA, Mazursky H, Bruett L, Henin A (2011). "Applying cognitive-behavioral therapy for anxiety to the younger child". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 20 (2): 349–68. doi:10.1016/j.chc.2011.01.008. PMID 21440860. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Thompson RD, Delaney P, Flores I, Szigethy E (2011). "Cognitive-behavioral therapy for children with comorbid physical illness". Child Adolesc Psychiatr Clin N Am. 20 (2): 329–48. doi:10.1016/j.chc.2011.01.013. PMID 21440859. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • Rathod S, Phiri P, Kingdon D (2010). "Cognitive behavioral therapy for schizophrenia". Psychiatr. Clin. North Am. 33 (3): 527–36. doi:10.1016/j.psc.2010.04.009. PMID 20599131. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  • da Costa RT, Rangé BP, Malagris LE, Sardinha A, de Carvalho MR, Nardi AE (2010). "Cognitive-behavioral therapy for bipolar disorder". Expert Rev Neurother. 10 (7): 1089–99. doi:10.1586/ern.10.75. PMID 20586690. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

There are many many more where those came from: this article is seriously outdated, in need of expansion, and in a state of disrepair. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:41, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I can do some work on the Schizophrenia and Psychosis part when I have more free time after my finals. I literally just wrote at 20-page paper on CBT for Schizophrenia and read a bunch of studies as well as a treatment manual by Beck. I'll see what I can do. Ayzmo (talk) 04:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks ! Please make sure to stick to secondary sources such as those listed above-- I had to remove all manner of primary sources, uncited text, and original research here. With the exception of the "History" section, it no longer has primary sources and OR, but the writing is still incomplete and rough. There is plenty of information about CBT in general, and wrt specific conditions, and dealing with the history of CBT in the recent high quality sources above, that there is no need for this article to have relied so heavily on primary sources or outdated sources. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

More reviews

Just combined you list of PubMed CBT Review list to tthe Reviews from my private CBT collection to create a new Cognitive Behaviour Therapy (CBT) Review collection it may help dolfrog (talk) 12:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Dolfrog, I have never learned how to link to a saved PMID search-- they go away when I try to link. How did you do that ? Could you please explain here or on my talk? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:17, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
The first step is to create a PubMed account, and when you carry out a search you can save the results to either a new or exisitng research paper collection. For a single research paper example you select the "Send to" menu option top right, and choose "collections" and from there you can add the paper to one of your existing research paper collections or start a new collection. For the results of a search you select the articles you want (tick box on left side) and again select the "Send to" option as before, and that will add all the selected articles to your chosen collection. Next choose "My NCBI" select "Manage Collections" at trhe bottom of the collections box, which then brinks up all of yoyr PubMed Research paper collections, and from the "Settings/Sharing" column slect the "private" option which takes you to your collections admin page, select "Public" (Middle of page) and save, you select "Edit settings" from top menu, which takes you back top collection admin page which will now include a URLyou can post anywhere to you research paper collection. I hope this explains all dolfrog (talk) 10:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much ... I've used the "Send to" function, but didn't realize that by having an account, one could save lists. Would you mind reposting this to the talk page at Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-06-30/Dispatches, so I'll know where to find it for relinking in the future ? Thanks again ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:01, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm surprised no-one has invoked Cochrane yet....aaargh, 111 to wade through! Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:29, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Holy cow, there's so much secondary info easily accessible, and this is such an important topic-- this really should be an FA, or at least a GA. On schizophrenia, I defer to your judgment. If we all want to work to really fix this mess up, the area I'm most equipped to help with is TS/OCD. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

French survey table

I reverted this because it isn't possible to constitute the hole field of reserch in effevtivness in only one table mirroring only one govermental survey. I read WP:MEDRS but I didn't found the point which approve this precede. If you only pick one survey in a field of hundreds of studys, metastudys, reviews & surveys and think this is NPOV I'm sure this gonna be a long discussion. WSC 04:59, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

CartoonDiablo re-added it because he/she said it is a MEDRS reliable source and the removal was 'POV'. I think CartoonDiablo needs to read MEDRS again. According to google scholar this source only has 3 citations, and it's actually 8 years old, not 6. It isn't POV to remove a source because it isn't high quality - that's what MEDRS tells us to do!
First of all my mistake, the study is actually a tertiary source because it reviews numerous secondary sources (which are themselves reviews of literally hundreds of effectiveness studies) to get its result. That means it is the highest possible standard as a medical study.
And secondly there is no standard per MEDRS for how often a study needs to be cited (or have any citations at all) to be a reliable source.
This material has also been removed from the psychoanalysis article on the same baseless grounds. As far as things go, I urge Widescreen either to find another tertiary source that comes with different conclusions so as to show that it's disputed or I'll reinstate the material. CartoonDiablo (talk) 18:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
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