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	The only coverage of the subject in a secondary source appears to be a brief piece in a local Chicago LGBT newspaper. All well and good, but not a clear indication of ], and it is the only one apparent at all. Any assistance in establishing notability would be appreciated.<br>		The only coverage of the subject in a secondary source appears to be a brief piece in a local Chicago LGBT newspaper. All well and good, but not a clear indication of ], and it is the only one apparent at all. Any assistance in establishing notability would be appreciated.<br>
	] (]) 18:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)		] (]) 18:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
	:We ~~can~~ just fall back on her current list of awards and accomplishments. This article will never get deleted as she flies over GNG. ] (]) 19:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)		:<s>Perhaps we should cut to the chase and try to explain how Stryker's work has helped discredit ]? If that's not enough</s> we could just fall back on her current list of awards and accomplishments. This article will never get deleted as she flies over GNG. ] (]) 19:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

			::(ec) If Stryker was at all involved in the Bailey's now 10 year old book, it's news to me. Your trouble with ] is neither nor there, but it does suggest that a reasoned discussion on this topic is not going to be had with you, and outside opinions will need to be sought.
			::To get back to the topic, you are saying that her notability is based upon her awards. Here on WP, there are very clear guidelines about what kinds of awards demonstrate notability, and they all include being a well-known national or international award. For the first two claims on the page (an "Emmy" and a Lambda), I have already indicated why they are not clear indicators. If you would like to list the awards which you believe are on the level described in ] (the Olympics, a real Emmy, etc.), I will be happy to indicate why I disagree (or that you have convinced me). If you are arguing that multiple local or low-level awards in combination establish her notability, then I can only suggest you peruse the discussions going on at ].
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Notability

We are having trouble establishing whether the subject of this BLP meets WP:BIO. The most relevant avenues would seem WP:PROF and WP:AUTHOR. These are two possibilities, but neither is particularly strong:

Although she is the recipient of a Lambda award, it was not based on a work of her own (she was its editor).
Although the mainpage says she received an Emmy award, she actually received the "San Francisco/Northern California Emmy Award", not the very notable Emmy Award

The subject does not appear to meet any other criterion of WP:PROF. Only few of her pubs are peer-reviewed, and she has a GS h-index of about 11, which is not very high.
The only coverage of the subject in a secondary source appears to be a brief piece in a local Chicago LGBT newspaper. All well and good, but not a clear indication of WP:GNG, and it is the only one apparent at all. Any assistance in establishing notability would be appreciated.
— James Cantor (talk) 18:38, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

~~Perhaps we should cut to the chase and try to explain how Stryker's work has helped discredit J. Michael Bailey? If that's not enough~~ we could just fall back on her current list of awards and accomplishments. This article will never get deleted as she flies over GNG. Insomesia (talk) 19:06, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

(ec) If Stryker was at all involved in the Bailey's now 10 year old book, it's news to me. Your trouble with WP:AGF is neither nor there, but it does suggest that a reasoned discussion on this topic is not going to be had with you, and outside opinions will need to be sought.

To get back to the topic, you are saying that her notability is based upon her awards. Here on WP, there are very clear guidelines about what kinds of awards demonstrate notability, and they all include being a well-known national or international award. For the first two claims on the page (an "Emmy" and a Lambda), I have already indicated why they are not clear indicators. If you would like to list the awards which you believe are on the level described in WP:BIO (the Olympics, a real Emmy, etc.), I will be happy to indicate why I disagree (or that you have convinced me). If you are arguing that multiple local or low-level awards in combination establish her notability, then I can only suggest you peruse the discussions going on at WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Authors.

— James Cantor (talk) 21:29, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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