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:Jarble may be right on policy, although I suspect his communications could be better written (as mine could be). I would ask the copyright experts. There are some links on my user page to projects on copyright, etc. :Jarble may be right on policy, although I suspect his communications could be better written (as mine could be). I would ask the copyright experts. There are some links on my user page to projects on copyright, etc.
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::I'm aware of , but not any policy on it. Not to mention, some people write text that they are going to use for more than one Misplaced Pages article, and it's not a case of borrowing in those instances. Like I told Jarble: "There are plenty of articles that duplicate text because the text is relevant to more than just one article." ... I also extended that to articles that share more than just the ] text. Your of the duplication tag still doesn't seem completely correct because, from what I can see, the articles are applying WP:Summary style. However, some of their sections are pointing to sections of other articles where the section isn't even going over anything new -- that is, they aren't extensively elaborating on the topic; as such, in those cases, the tag may be okay to use. But it just seems like a useless tag to me because so many Misplaced Pages articles have a small, meduim or large overlap. The duplication tag could apply to most of the articles on Misplaced Pages. Whatever the case, it definitely shouldn't be placed at the top of articles; it's a section tag, at least the one you're using, not a "whole article" tag. ::I'm aware of ], but not any policy on it. Not to mention, some people write text that they are going to use for more than one Misplaced Pages article, and it's not a case of borrowing in those instances. Like I told Jarble: "There are plenty of articles that duplicate text because the text is relevant to more than just one article." ... I also extended that to articles that share more than just the ] text. Your of the duplication tag still doesn't seem completely correct because, from what I can see, the articles are applying WP:Summary style. However, some of their sections are pointing to sections of other articles where the section isn't even going over anything new -- that is, they aren't extensively elaborating on the topic; as such, in those cases, the tag may be okay to use. But it just seems like a useless tag to me because so many Misplaced Pages articles have a small, meduim or large overlap. The duplication tag could apply to most of the articles on Misplaced Pages. Whatever the case, it definitely shouldn't be placed at the top of articles; it's a section tag, at least the one you're using, not a "whole article" tag.


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Regular tunings

I made the images File:Tritone in the chromatic circle.png, File:Augmented chord in the chromatic circle.png, and File:Diminished seventh chord in the chromatic circle.png for use in place of the image of the chromatic circle in the regular tunings section. Hyacinth (talk) 06:06, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Geometry of repetitive, regular guitar-tunings

Wow!
You are a beautiful human-being, Hyacinth!
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 06:22, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Would you be interested in a similar picture for all fourths, all fifths, and new standard tunings? Hyacinth (talk) 01:52, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
The tunings you mentioned are not associated with regular polygons, so that they would be messy. Maybe you could find a good-looking spiral for the non-repetitive regular tunings...?
There are regular tunings that are not discussed. It would be interesting to have symmetric-star pictures for the "unison" (a big dot at the C note), half-note (a regular 12-gon), and whole-note (a regular hexagon) tunings. Sethares states that these tunings are less interesting, although it is possible to play e.g. major chords in the whole-note tuning. An article on regular tunings could mention them briefly, and illustrate them. Misplaced Pages has an article calling "unison" tuning ostrich tuning.
Sethares also discusses augmented-fifths and sixths tunings, perhaps because he composes electronic music. All-fifths C-G-D-A-E-B already exceeds the range of guitars (perhaps even with Gary Goodman's Octave4Plus strings ...). I can briefly mention the really weird tunings in a separate section in the regular-tunings spin-off article.
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Hyacinth! Your drawings look even better on a MacBook Pro! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Non-repetitive regular guitar-tunings

See File:All fifths tuning in the chromatic circle.png, File:All fourths tuning in the chromatic circle.png, and File:New standard tuning in the chromatic circle.png. Hyacinth (talk) 23:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Lefty–righty tunings: Ordering the notes
These are very good, once again!
:)
From graphs to directed graphs?
A confession: I scratched my head—waiting for the morning coffee to caffeinate my neural network—to see the same note-sequence in all-fourths and all-fifths tunings.
Then I remembered, duh! The all-fifths and all-fourths tunings are righty-lefty inversions, so that one reverses the order of the sequences. I had planned to write more about righty-lefty tunings, following Sethares, but your diagram illustrates the importance of such inversions.
Perhaps one could replace the edges with arcs/arrowss? Arcs/arrows would make the illustrations self-explanatory.
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 07:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

A new spin-off article

The regular-tunings section has grown so that it can be a spin-off article, and has been moved to regular tunings. In the original article, I shortened the guitar tunings#Regular to be in summary style.
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

A good-article collaboration?

Regular tunings
Who would like to help improve this article to GA status?
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Take Five: All-fifths tuning for orchestral-instruments

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Gilderien's talk page.

--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 19:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

A thoughtful and courteous discussion took place at the WikiProject Music Theory. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Infobox: Not too shabby

Major thirds
For every major-thirds tuning, the consecutive open-notes are separated by four semitones, and so three strings cover the twelve semitones of the octave.
AliasesAll thirds
IntervalMajor third
Semitones4
Example(s)E-G♯-c-e-g♯-c'-e'

D♯-G-b-d♯-g-b'-d'♯

Other instrumentsSeven-string guitar
RepetitionAfter 3 strings
AdvantagesReduced hand-stretching: major and minor chords on 2 consecutive frets
DisadvantagesReduced range on 6 strings
Left-handed tuningMinor sixths tuning
Associated musician
GuitaristRalph Patt
Regular tunings (semitones)
Trivial (0)
Minor thirds (3)
Major thirds (4)
All fourths (5)
Augmented fourths (6)
New standard (7, 3)
All fifths (7)
Minor sixths (8)
Guitar tunings

For your viewing pleasure. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Major-thirds tuning: A gallery

An illustration of minor, major, and seventh chords for A, B, C
Illustrations for the article "major-thirds tuning", additional illustrations, and a basic chord-dictionary for major-thirds tuning are available in a PDF document at the Wikimedia Foundation.

The good, ...

Major-thirds tuning: Avoiding the mind- and tendon-debilitating chaos of standard tuning!
  • The fingerboard is covered by four-finger segments, reducing finger-stretching. The fingerboard is covered by four-finger segments, reducing finger-stretching.
  • Chords may be shifted three strings, just changing the octave. Chords may be shifted three strings, just changing the octave.
  • Inverting chords is easy. Inverting chords is easy.
  • Notes and chords may be shifted diagonally. Notes and chords may be shifted diagonally.
  • Major and minor chords may be played on three consecutive strings on two consecutive frets. Major and minor chords may be played on three consecutive strings on two consecutive frets.

..., the bad, and the ugly!

Let us quote from Guitar chords:

  • A Major Chord (sic.) A Major Chord (sic.)
  • C major chord (sic.) C major chord (sic.)
  • D Major Chord (sic.) D Major Chord (sic.)
  • E Major Chord (sic.) E Major Chord (sic.)
  • G Major Chord (sic.) G Major Chord (sic.)

Notice that the shapes are different for each of these so-called major chords. In truth, none of these chords are major chords, according to the definitions taught in music for other instruments: No wonder guitarists have difficulty discussing music!

Worse, for each of these chords, there are three other shapes that must be learned, according to the position on the fretboard.

Trying to play a C7 in standard tuning will put you in physical therapy.

Playing in standard tuning cripples the mind (and often the body) and its teaching should be criminalized.

(after E. W. Dijkstra's remark on COBOL)

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:36, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ralph Patt, inventor of major-thirds tuning

Updated DYK queryOn 3 September 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ralph Patt, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the music of Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, and Arnold Schoenberg inspired jazz-guitarist Ralph Patt to invent major-thirds tuning? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ralph Patt. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Age template

Paternalist reaction as usual

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Again Kiefer seems to be over-compensating about the young 'uns.

Hi Kiefer. I was wondering if you could draft a template that could be substituted to leave a message to younger editors who choose to display their age on their user page that informs them of reasons not to use it/directs them to Misplaced Pages:Guidance for younger editors (which sadly says nothing about displaying your age). I want to make sure it isn't something that scares them, but it should have enough information so that the decision they make is informed. Ryan Vesey 20:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

This might be a good idea, but usually it is better to email the user and suggest that he contact oversight. You might ask NewYorkBrad (who has drafted an essay for young editors) or WormThatTurned (who is now clerking and has mentored many young editors) or anybody listed at oversight. I have strong opinions, but this an area where experience, knowledge, and service matter, and you should ask somebody better equipped than me to help. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll do so, sorry for not getting back to you earlier. Ryan Vesey 02:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Finally wandering over to say I will look into this as soon as I can. KW, I actually stopped clerking quite quickly, it felt like bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy, drudge work that I didn't feel made a difference. All power to those who do it, but I'd rather spend my time more productively! Worm(talk) 09:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that it was less interesting and engaging than you'd believed it would be. Nonetheless, it may have given you perspective as to whether you really want to deal with knuckleheads showing up at ArbCom---especially the hard cases that do their work via e-mail.
Good luck! :) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Are we talking about children (under 16s) or people my age? (21 and 24 months) Thanks ツ Jenova20 10:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I wrote about persons who are not legally adults. I had not intended adults. I suppose wards (under the legally authorized care/protection of an adult) should not be displaying personal information; those with health conditions (e.g., Asperger's syndrome) should not display such information. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
D'oh! I have many "health conditions", but HFA, and all its relations, is not one of them! I really think that if adults wish to identify as Aspergers, HFA, etc., then it may be helpful to do so. Of course I don't for one moment approve of outing someone else as being so if they choose not to self-identify, but it's possible that non-self-identifiers might find it easier to get (for example) plain English policy explanations or some other kind of help by noting who is both an experienced editor and also somewhere in the non-neurotypical area of the autism-spectrum continuum. It's also possible that editors with a flawed understanding of ASD's may actually gain a greater (and more enlightened and appreciative) understanding by noting that there are respected editors who self-identify as being in this area. Summary: it's not a "health condition", its a pre-loaded software difference. Pesky (talk) 08:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Others may wish to avoid exposure to hurtful comments, particularly by stalkers.Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
They are responsible for the information they post here though and to an extent some infomartion is fine to give out. Like me, i actually stuck on my talk page that i'm dyslexic and sovisitors shouldn't bite if i do something wrong. We need a balance between what's realistic and what's unrealistic. Mobile numbers and addresses are incredibly inappropriate but knowing of health conditions like dyslexia, autism, aspergers etc will help you deal with another editor better and without writing a message they won't understand.
As Pesky says though, we shouldn't be so accepting "outing" someone else with this stuff. Thanks ツ Jenova20 08:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm (personally) relatively happy (for which read "prepared to accept the risk") to be in the line of fire for unwanted comments and attacks, but it always has to be a personal choice. But such things as dyslexia, ASD's, and so on really aren't "health" issues, as such. They're not "mental illnesses", despite a very commonly-held mythconception of them as being so. Yes, they can make a big difference, but so can colour-blindness or deafness, and nobody classifies those (or at least I hope they don't!) as a "mental illness". Some extra research (beyond the article) on Temple Grandin is educational. Pesky (talk) 08:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
A self-identification of an editor as having Asperger's syndrome has led (twice I think) to my asking another (irritated) editor to be understanding in private emails. It does some good. However, I don't think other editors use AS information as I have; I have never received such a request, although it may be that I have a sweeter nature than those I've mailed. I agree with Jenova20 about the importance of privacy for some information. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
As and when Real Life issues permit, I'm always happy to act as interpreter between A-spectrum and neurotypical editors. I, too, am in complete agreement that privacy is of vital importance for some information, particularly (and obviously) as regards minors. You might like to read this thing, just out of interest. Pesky (talk) 08:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
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My RfA

Good candidate who will be a good administrator in a few months

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Extended content

Thank you for participating in my RfA, I really appreciate it.

Oh, and for the record, I've seen you around quite a bit in recent times. You sure have come a long way over the past several months. Keep up the good work. =) Master&Expert (Talk) 00:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Polysemy

Thank you, Master&Expert, and good luck with the use of the powers inherent to your ascension to the next level of this RPG.
About your polysemic words: From a humble seed, I have grown to a blossoming flower and lately to a fruit bearer. ;) Thanks for noticing. :)
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:18, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I didn't actually succeed at RfA, so I haven't quite earned enough EXP to gain a level. But I'm working at it! Hard at work. ;)
Yes, I can tell. I remember last year, you were quite the different character than you are now. It's like you made a dramatic 180° turn. Keep it up, you're doing great. =) Master&Expert (Talk) 12:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I have no idea what you're writing about, when you suggest a change of character.
You should be happy with my approval. :D What do you care what the puling masses think? ;) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
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"She will outstrip all praise, And make it halt behind her."

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:06, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Horticulture: Nearing harvest

Just butting in to say I've noticed (and been really pleased by) the changes in you, as well. So have others. How's the "fruit" doing? Pesky (talk) 08:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Well. The fruit is ripe for the picking, but as a Rastafarian I must wait for it to fall from the tree. ;D Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:40, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Tim Minchin
Heh! Well, judging from personal experience in the issues, don't hold your breath! Meanwhile, this link is one you should keep. It may stop insanity. (Adding: besides which, the guy is an awesomely talented musician.) Pesky (talk) 10:04, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I can't quite recall how I ended up here, but thanks, Pesky for that introduction to Tim Minchin. I'd never heard of him. Bielle (talk) 01:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikibreak

I shall be away for a few days. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 06:51, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Wheeeee! Pesky (talk) 06:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
I need sleep. My wife and daughter are awesome! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:17, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Gods and all Good Things bless the baby girl :o) What are you calling her? Pesky (talk) 04:32, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Statue of the Greek Goddess Diana in Lviv, Ukraine.
Diana watches over Lviv.
My wife was so very happy that when I called our unborn daughter "Little Honey" when I started talking to her that "Little Honey" is her nickname. ;)
"Diana" honors a mathematician who catalyzed my writing my wife, on her birthday it turned out; I am happy that "DiaNA" also recognizes with my wife, who is a geneticist. Diana is also international and mythologically a strong woman.
"Sandra" honors my mother's best friend and our neighbor, whose house has always been open to me and my family. It is a feminization of Alexander, and so means "she who rules men (andros)". She is ruling me, already! :D It also connotes Cassandra, "she who ensnares men", and of course the beautiful prophet who maintained her integrity and told Apollo that she was not interested; may she have greater serenity to shut her mouth when she knows she is right but others are not ready to listen than her father!
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:07, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Genuine Barnstar
KW, I present this barnstar in commemoration of the recent birth in your family. Petaluma, California was the center of the universe for Jewish socialist chicken ranchers 100 years ago. That was the environment where my father-in-law was born. That's where I took this photograph. Thank you for all that you do for Misplaced Pages, and I bid you peace. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:44, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, dear Jim!
We're very tired but my wife and daughter are doing great!
Warm regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Jim,
I was so tired that I forgot to note that "barn" means "child" in Swedish, so your award was---to sound like Frenchie in "Small Time Crooks" as she finished the first letter in the dictionary---apposite!
Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

For the little one

Blessings
May she be happy;

May the spirits of Love and Laughter walk alongside her all her life;
May she walk with them when the path is smooth and light;
May they take her by the hand and guide her when the way is unclear or the going is rough;
May they carry her if she tires or stumbles;
May they teach her spirit to take wings. Pesky (talk) 04:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Pesky!
That is beautiful!
:)
Love,
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
This is great! Congratulations to you and your wife Kiefer! Ryan Vesey 13:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Give her some cuddles from me :o) Pesky (talk) 06:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Father holding daughter in swaddling clothes
Kiefer.Wolfowitz holds his newborn baby daughter.

I saw your mention of your news on Drmies's talk page. Congratulations to you also! LadyofShalott 00:53, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, my Lady! :)
Congratulations! All the best! We had our 3rd (grandchild) last month :)...Modernist (talk) 00:54, 1 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Best wishes to your children and congratulations to you. I think that grandchildren add years to their grandparents' lives---more than offsetting the years lost due to the stressors and sleep-deprivation of the grandparents' becoming parents, first! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Just got back off hols and seen your news. Congratulations - daughters are wonderful (I have three). --Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
    Thank you, Elen! I am so happy that we were lucky enough to have a daughter first! She will mature faster and help her mom to keep me in line! :) Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:56, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Ha, good werk, Elen--I screwed up on the third one, which turns out to be of the male persuasion. Drmies (talk) 02:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
      Thanks Drmies! I had lost count of your children. Perhaps you once counted your son before he was born? Congratulations to you and your wife, and give extra hugs to your daughters, who finally have a little brother to dress up! :)10:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Congrats, Kiefer!! --Dylan620 01:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, so much Dylan! :) Warm regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!

A binky for your little one
Looks like you'll need a few of these! Congratulations on your newest family member! SarahStierch (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much, Sarah!
I've already had use of the dummy/pacifiers. I've had to bite down really hard when she doesn't want to sleep at 3 a.m.! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
That's why God gave us bourbon. FWIW, we never used pacifiers, though at ages 3 and 6 they make me change my mind. That's a nice photo, Kiefer. It's an indescribable feeling, isn't it. Enjoy, and make sure you teach her rock and roll--they don't do that in school. Drmies (talk) 05:00, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Precious

tuning
Thank you for quality articles on tuning and mathematicians, even fictitious ones, for tuned comments to well-wishers, and for striving for serenity when you are "right but others are not ready to listen", - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much!
I should clarify that I just copy-edited the article on Mikhail Kadets, which was written by Sodin ("Sasha"), on whose articles its always a pleasure to work. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 10:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I used to play dobro in an open D tuning, tuned down a step to C (CGCGCE I believe). Down tuned to make it sound a little "sloppier" for blues. For some odd reason, I found it quite comfortable although I'm guessing that is not a common tuning for slide. That was back in my younger days, before the tendons went bad. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 00:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
I love the sound of Dobro (resonator) guitar and its depiction on the Dire Straits album, Brothers in Arms, one of my favorites. Sorry to hear about your pains. I wish I had written major thirds tuning earlier, to save your tendons! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Started before I could read, irregular gigs from 16 up until I was 40, in the finest dives and holes in the wall America has to offer, mainly blues and country music. The tendon damage was well earned, although apparently irreparable as I've seen a dozen specialists. And I am a Fender man, customized "93 Telecaster + Hot Rod Deluxe or Laney LC50, plus other toys from the 60-70s, and keys, bass, etc. I had my time, I have no regrets. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 10:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

File:Grooveshark screenshot of King Crimson work.png

I've uploaded the screenshot you sent me. Since you know better than I what its intended use is, I'll leave placing the image to you. Cheers, Sven Manguard Wha? 01:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, wow... congratulations on the baby! Sven Manguard Wha? 02:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your help with the file and especially for your congratulating me!  :)
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again, Sven. It seems that that image gets 30 viewers a day, which is substantial given its fair-use restriction to only Grooveshark. The uploading does seem to have been useful. Thanks again for all of your help. You are a great editor! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference

I'm sorry to report that there were not enough accounts available for you to have one. I have you on our list though and if more become available we will notify you promptly.

We're continually working to bring resources like Credo to Misplaced Pages editors, and this will very hopefully not be your last opportunity to sign up for one. If you haven't already, please check out WP:HighBeam and WP:Questia, where accounts are still available. Cheers, Ocaasi 19:14, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Picking names from the end of the alphabet does not constitute a random sample, btw. It may have been haphazard and free from conscious foreseen bias, but usually a random sample would be preferable.
What conclusions can be drawn from a trial without randomization? That persons with later names are chosen first?
For a justified conclusion that Credo accounts are likely to improve articles or increase retention of writers, randomization has been recommended since the 1870s. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Kiefer.Wolfowitz. You have new messages at Jason Quinn's talk page.
Message added 12:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Jason Quinn (talk) 12:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, and explanation. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 20:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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Email

"It is said that a Shaolin priest can walk through walls.

Looked for, he cannot be seen.

Listened for, he cannot be heard.

Touched, he cannot be felt."

Hi Kiefer. Any reason you don't have email communications enabled? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I have tried to reduce my WP involvement to spend more time with my family, and sometimes to play guitar. Reducing email contact is part of that decision. I had thought that you had my email address in real life. I shall send it to you. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:46, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Chance

Id guess that like Colonel Smith you dont subscribe to the theory of random chance, and perhaps lean towards viewing coincidences as elements of the great plan? The quote you posted to me is from a section called Chance. The lines immediately preceding it are "Everything which has value is the product of a meeting, last throughout this meeting and cease when those things which met are separated. That is the central idea of Buddhism (the thought of Heraclitus). It leads straight to God."

By chance I was visiting her grave only last Sunday, just added some pics to the article. Im still hoping to totally rewrite it one day. Maybe not for a year or two, there are over a hundred thousand sources to sample, and its not easy to pick out the best ones to show the applicability of her ideas to the great problems. The need for her to be properly understood is greater now than ever before, with the global decline in religiosity, the "return of hunger" to which over a billion now suffer from, and with the rapidly expanding precariat to which millions (billions) more belong.

Eliot wrote that only the young are likely to have the clarity to grasp the applicability of her thought, so Ive been sending copies of Need for Roots to some up and coming politicians. One of them told me its been keeping her awake at night, and that she's recommended her to one of Ed Milibands senior advisers. So things are slowly happening. If they come together, it will be a kinder more just world that your beatutiful daughter grows up into, where she'll feel less need to take up the burden of the tzzadik, and be more free to enjoy the beauty of life. FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I shall write more later, but I am touched by your message.
I rarely touch liquor, but I understand the appeal of a shot of vodka in the morning. For my part, I find reading Trotskyists and Roman Catholics invigorating. Ralph Miliband wrote a nice paragraph about the role of the working class (now paywalled, alas)] which is worth reading (but probably not worth tattooing on oneself).23:43, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, tried to sign up to buy the article, but the site kept saying Id failed to enter the anti spam code. Not sure about Miliband, but many left wing commentators in the 80s seemed almost too shell shocked to grasp what had happened. They did a lot pointless soul searching, not seeming to realise the underlying cause of the lefts fall from grace was the rightward shift of the global political centre that had took place between about 68 & 83. This article has quite a good overview of the main forces driving the change. And Embedded liberalism is not bad at indicating the quasi cyclical nature of these big shifts. If Im not misreading the political unconscious, we're almost due for another sea change, with the tipping point maybe in 2017. There's a risk that US republican insanity could derail things, but I tend to think the biggest danger is too far a shift to the left.
Another reason why her work is now so relevant. She was one of the first left winger thinkers to suggest that the totalitarian left could be just as oppressive as the worst capitalists. The problem is always with the elite. She wrote that before there could be a revolution that generally improved conditions for regular people, it would be necessary to accurately understand the mechanics of social oppression. She came probably closer than anyone to doing this with her essay on Oppression and Liberty. Camus and dozens of others have called it the greatest political essay of the 20th century. Its interesting you mention Trotsky, although he was far closer to her thinking than Stalin, she still strongly disagreed with him both in print and in person. Apparently she was one of the very few who the better of him in debate, he was spluttering with rage and shouting, while she was calmly making her points. Have added this to the article, though made the claim more neutrally as Im not sure whether witnesses sympathetic to Trotsky would agree.
Anyway, hope my message didnt come across as moribund. While the selfish elite are now causing more distress than ever, the fact that its now being felt by hundreds of millions of middle class folk, not just the inarticulate, means that the prospects for lasting positive change are better than in normal times. FeydHuxtable (talk) 11:44, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The pleasures of the community of Wikipedians

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Oi

How about actually using the talk page rather than slap your bullshit tags all over the article? Or do you really think that it needs two NPOV tags? All the sources are also reliable, disagree? Take it to the appropriate board. Slapping tags all over an article and not using the talk page is disruptive and pointy editing, so use the talk page. Facts, not fiction (talk) 13:00, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

You are damaging the reputation of Misplaced Pages because of your tendentious editing regarding Pakistan.
Somebody who can parse English syntax should help in the clean up of your latest "article". One (first?) citation is to an article warning that it is based on a convenience sample that cannot be used to generalize to any population.
Hit the road. You are blocked or banned. You just don't know it yet. (Watch Donnie Darko and consider whether somebody can know the future....)
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:06, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
As I thought, no actual reasonable discussion, just sound and fury. Read WP:TE again before accusing me of it. WP:AOTE in particular. I have supplied reliable secondary academic sources, you have provided hot air. Facts, not fiction (talk) 13:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
You have recently returned from a block for tendentious editing on Pakistan, and you have now violated your indefinite 1RR restriction. I won't waste time discussing anything with you, until you are ready to admit your errors and improve. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:13, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
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Accusations of "disruptive editing" comparable to "domestic violence" and ANI threats from an administrator
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Domestic violence in Pakistan

Pumpkin Sky closed out the nom for DYK as rejected, he has reopened it now however. Do you think the article is now suitable to go ahead? Facts, not fiction (talk) 19:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

KW is off again, the nomination may as well be withdrawn he will not drop it. I had hoped to bring a serious issue to public attention, all I got in return was abuse. I shall not bother with further DYK's. Thank you for your help. Facts, not fiction (talk) 21:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not dropping it. Kiefer's disruptive behavior (including his harassment of you and his disruption of DYK) is unacceptable. If he continues, he'll be at WP:ANI very soon. The situation is a lot like domestic violence; if Misplaced Pages gives in to disruptive behavior, it will only continue -- and get worse. --Orlady (talk) 23:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
I suggest you withdraw your improper remarks. Domestic violence, indeed. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
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DYK hook fails verification but promoted

The above DYK hook fails verification, but it got verified (I guess that was an error) and now it is promoted. The hook says "that between 70 and 90 percent of women in Pakistan have suffered some form of sexual violence" but the actual source says "According to Human Rights Watch, studies on violence against women estimate that a woman in Pakistan is raped every two hours; approximately 70 to 90 percent of women suffer from some form of intimate partner violence". Can somebody please take a look into the matter please? The hook is currently in Queue 1. --SMS 18:57, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I am the one who approved the hook. I want to point out that at the time I reviewed it, no Google book URLs had been provided and all of the sources were offline. I AGF'd it. Since then, URLs which allow for better verification have been added. I have no control over moving this out of Queue 1, but for what I knew when I was able to know it the hook seemed fine. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Irresponsible DYK claim about Pakistan rape incidence;;

The Pakistani rape-claim needs to be tabled until it is properly vetted.

70%-90% of women is a rather large confidence interval for a proportion. It is difficult to imagine a human-subjects board allowing such a crappy study that would have so few subjects.

On checking the poor reference

one finds vague references to "studies" by Humans Right Watch, which is an advocacy organization rather than a conventional reliable source.

What the fuck is this doing on the queue for the main page of Misplaced Pages?

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:10, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree entirely. In fact, if you look at the DYK hook review (Template:Did you know nominations/Rape in Pakistan: Revision), I specifically mentioned that I'd want others' input on whether it's even a suitable topic for Misplaced Pages's front page. Slightly more than just 7 hours after I reviewed the hook, User:PumpkinSky promoted it, not waiting for others to chime in. That was a grossly irresponsible promotion. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I think whether the topic is suitable for the Main Page is a different issue from whether the hook is verified. (I also have some doubts about the article being sufficiently neutral in tone). Going to pull it out of the queue and replace it with another hook now, unless someone else gets there first. It can then be reconsidered. (BTW I'm the one added the URLs; I was able to see all but one of the cited articles/book pages, but that may vary depending where one is.) Yngvadottir (talk) 19:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
That is absolute bollocks. Human Rights Watch are cited by academics and governments worldwide. They are a very reliable source for all manner of human rights abuses. The book used is from an academic publisher also. Take it to the RSN board if you think the source is of no use. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:56, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
They do have a POV, and this needed much better handling. Secretlondon (talk) 02:25, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Hook pulled, nomination template reopened, author notified

I think I've set it all up so we can all discuss this expeditiously at Template:Did you know nominations/Rape in Pakistan: Revision. But I will note, Jrcla2, that either of the checkmarks/ticks means you believe it's ready. If you have a serious concern that you believe should be discussed first, next time please use one of the "there's a problem that needs resolving first" symbols. (Of course, part of the problem is that we've had less than a flood of passed articles of late, so they're getting promoted relatively soon after they are given the go-ahead. I had to scramble to do a QPQ review for my last one before it actually hit the Main Page, ahem :-) ) Yngvadottir (talk) 19:52, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

In hindsight I agree, I should have chosen a different symbol. At least the issue was caught ahead of time. This would have been bad news bears if it had made the main page as is. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:00, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Darkness Shines, the author, has now added another reference and proposed an alternate hook based on it. May I recommend we talk about it at the nomination page? (although I'll be afk soon for sleep; but I also think I've shoved my oar in on this.) Yngvadottir (talk) 20:16, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
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Created/expanded by Darkness Shines (talk). Self nom at 17:37, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 03 September 2012

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

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Need to change your signature.

The powers that be are turning on HTML5 in two weeks on WikiPedia. This should mean the elimination of <font> tag. Going thru my talk page and I noticed you used the font tag. There Is a page that helps out with formatting text or give me a buzz if you need help. Bgwhite (talk) 04:30, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the personalized heads-up! :)
You directed me to a page that describes the font tag, so I am not worried yet. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

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User talk:Jarble#Your duplication tags

Hi, Kiefer.Wolfowitz. Since you've had to advise Jarble on Misplaced Pages formatting issues before (in your case WP:OVERLINKING), would you mind weighing in on the linked discussion? 46.165.208.13 (talk) 18:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Friendly Neighborhood IP-man!
(1) I think that Jarble, like the rest of, will respond best to empathy and appeal to his good sense.
I could have better empathized before, regardless of the hour or the number of articles from which I'd removed his excessive linking.... Since I was terse and firm, I don't think I'm a good intermediary to help you.
Jarble did not respond to me, and doesn't seem to respond much on his talk page. I would suggest finding an editor with whom Jarble has had productive discussions in the past.
(2) WP does have policies on importing text from other articles, which at minimum require an edit summary noting such borrowing. I've borrowed from articles I've written (or that Hyacinth has written) and I try to acknowledge the source in the edit summary. In cases of translation from other language Misplaced Pages to English WP, WP has templates.
Jarble may be right on policy, although I suspect his communications could be better written (as mine could be). I would ask the copyright experts. There are some links on my user page to projects on copyright, etc.
Good luck! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm aware of guidelines on taking information from one Misplaced Pages article and using it in two or more other Misplaced Pages articles, but not any policy on it. Not to mention, some people write text that they are going to use for more than one Misplaced Pages article, and it's not a case of borrowing in those instances. Like I told Jarble: "There are plenty of articles that duplicate text because the text is relevant to more than just one article." ... I also extended that to articles that share more than just the WP:Summary style text. Your continued use of the duplication tag still doesn't seem completely correct because, from what I can see, the articles are applying WP:Summary style. However, some of their sections are pointing to sections of other articles where the section isn't even going over anything new -- that is, they aren't extensively elaborating on the topic; as such, in those cases, the tag may be okay to use. But it just seems like a useless tag to me because so many Misplaced Pages articles have a small, meduim or large overlap. The duplication tag could apply to most of the articles on Misplaced Pages. Whatever the case, it definitely shouldn't be placed at the top of articles; it's a section tag, at least the one you're using, not a "whole article" tag.
But, anyway, thanks for the reply, Kiefer.Wolfowitz. 46.165.208.13 (talk) 00:30, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:Repetitive guitar-tunings

Category:Repetitive guitar-tunings, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer • 21:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

The nominator has a long history of frivolous deletion suggestions., which has been discussed at an RfC/U and ANI.

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Nominator's rationale: No clear inclusion for what's "repetitive". Is EADGBE "repetitive" because it has two E's? Repetitive tuning doesn't have an article. This seems completely arbitrary and non-defining. Ten Pound Hammer • 21:25, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Oppose. Repetition is discussed in the articles with reference to William Sethares's and other reliable sources. For example, unison tuning CCCCCC, major-thirds tuning E-G♯-c-e-g♯-c', augmented fourths tuning BFBFBF, cittern tuning CGCGCG, etc. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:46, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for your message about stats by Henryk

Thanks for your message about stats by Henrik but these informations

"Emw's version is a visual tool written by Emw, based off of Henrik's data. Trending Topics, provides detailed view. Also does not go as far back in time as stats.grok.se WikiRoll: top viewed pages of the day/week/month/year on some Wikipedias, by Maciej Smoleński. WikiTrends: articles with biggest view increases (only Misplaced Pages) Wiki-Watch: Last 30 days, also works when stats.grosk.se is down. For Misplaced Pages English. For Misplaced Pages German: de.wiki-watch.de/ Raw data used for third party programs or analyzing (Henrik's source); see also User:Emijrp/Wikipedia_Archive#Domas_visits_logs"

aren't useful. Stats by Henrik are out of order. And we don't know why... That's a pity. Thanks a lot again and best regards.

IP, 8 September 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.4.38.247 (talk) 05:47, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

This be the message: Man hands on misery to man

Mushrooms get kept in the dark and fed shit. Swedes love mushrooms.
Hi!
Life is unfair, and full of bitter disappointments.
Hendrik is away, and repeating complaints on his page is unlikely to summon him.
Try leaving a bunch of mushrooms on his talk page. Swedes cannot resist mushrooms in the fall.
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to comment at Monty Hall problem RfC

You are invited to comment on the following probability-related RfC: Talk:Monty Hall problem#Conditional or Simple solutions for the Monty Hall problem? --Guy Macon (talk) 17:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but this seems like a headache. I trust Richard Gill's judgment. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:43, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Guy,
RfCs usually should be a last resort. The Information Technology RfC seems to have been premature, and two edits counter-productive:
  • Unless you are aiming to escalate irritation into conflict, please do not blue-link policy to established editors, particularly late at night.
  • Also, unless you are being deliberately provocative, do not put templates on the talk pages of established editors.
We all make mistakes. I wish you luck with IT and MHP. Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:41, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
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