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Rasmussen Reports

Beeblebrox, I'm not at all familiar with Misplaced Pages administration, so perhaps you could explain to me why you closed this discussion. I don't see consensus. I thought we were making good progress before Naapple declared "This conversation has gone on long enough," and, "The End." --Nstrauss (talk) 03:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Progress? If by that you mean it was becoming progressively more obvious that nobody agreed with you that the content belonged in the lead section, I would agree. Of you meant you were getting close to getting agreeement that it did belong I would say you have a case of selective deafness. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Please re-read that thread. There were only 4 participants, including me. From the very start Naapple flagrantly violated WP:AGF and was very uncivil. Orange Mike only came in at the very, very end and did not explain his view. The last participant was Safehaven86. Although he and I had our differences we were clearly moving toward a common understanding.

The discussion lasted for only 8 days before you closed it, and the page has not been particularly active. Why not give others the opportunity to weigh in for, say, a couple more months before closing? --Nstrauss (talk) 04:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

A couple of months pf debate over one sentence in the article lead? Why? Why could this possibly be so very important to you? You may want to examine your own motivations for wanting thos so bad. Beeblebrox (talk)

I don't understand, are you accusing me of editing in bad faith? I demonstrated good faith by explaining in detail my motives in the discussion thread. It seems that you never read the thread before closing it. Please do so. --Nstrauss (talk) 19:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I merely asked you to honestly ask yourself why you are so fixated on the idea that the content be right on the lead section. Of course I read the entire conversation before performing a close. A close I stand behind 100%. I did not say you were acting in bad faith, but I did say you were having a problem listening. Re-opening the discussion would make it take longer to reach the same result again, but if you want to keep beating a dead horse I suggest you seek dispute resolution. I'll thank you to stop badgering me about it as well. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:46, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI, I've opened a new AN/I discussion here. Sorry to keep pestering you on this issue; I wish there was a less painful way to do this. --Nstrauss (talk) 22:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: speedy deletion

Hi! Thank you for clarifying. I may have made similar mistakes a few times more. However, I will be more cautious. Cheers!--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion has a lot of little details like that, it takes a while to get them all down. Even some admins don't know all the ins and outs of the criteria. One good way to be sure is that every time you have nominated something go to WP:CSD and double check to be sure there isn't some detail you overlooked or were not aware of. It takes a bit more time but eventually you will be able to nominate articles with total confidence. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

What about this one? I tagged it with notEnglish. Is that ok? Even the title is in some other language. SO it was difficult to ensure if this existed in other Wikimedia projects.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks like that was an article in Thai about white-tailed deer, so it was deleted as WP:CSD#A10. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:19, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I got it. Thanks a lot.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

CBS Records

Thanks for locking the CBS Records article. This incarnation of CBS Records is not related to the former CBS Records entities which changed their names to Columbia Records regarding the label and Sony Music Entertainment regarding the company. In 1988, CBS sold CBS Records to the Sony Corporation and CBS gave Sony only a temporary license on the CBS name which forced the name changes and eventually allowed CBS's parent company CBS Corporation to form a new CBS Records in 2006. The dispute has to do with the insertion of too much material which actually belong in either the Columbia Records article or the Sony Music Entertainment article. Steelbeard1 (talk) 22:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not looking to get involved in the actual content dispute, just shutting down the edit warring. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Please re-lock the CBS Records article as Norton changed it back BEFORE the dispute was settled. I have a compromise solution of creating a new article called "CBS Records International" regarding the international arm of the former CBS Records (now Sony Music) that was founded in 1962. Steelbeard1 (talk) 10:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Norton is at it again. Please take action. I've already report this in Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard. Steelbeard1 (talk) 13:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello again, Russ. Is there a way to keep the CBS Records article a DAB page permanently? Thank you. Steelbeard1 (talk) 20:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I was just reading your post at AN. It reads like an announcement of intent to edit war. Frankly I think the both of you should walk away from this issue and let users who haven't been warring over it sort it out. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

How do we start a WP:ARBCOM case regarding CBS Records? Steelbeard1 (talk) 19:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

See WP:A/G for details. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

ANI discussion

Hi, Beeblebrox. Would you be willing to take a look at this discussion and voice your opinions about it there? We are trying to come up with a resolution. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Requesting Speedy Gonzalez!

• Hi, as →User:Память← was confirmed as a sock of the BANNED →User:Rinpoche← per SPI result, I requested for it to be speedily deleted per WP:DENY as indicated by the CU admin. Subsequently, it was indeed deleted but a newbie who was clueless about WP:DENY just went to re-tagged the user page. Could you help to delete it? Thanks and best. --Dave 16:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hello again~! Please disregard the above, Boing! said Zebedee just beat you to it... and I bet he watches this page~! Cheerio~! --Dave 16:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Your comment on the Ken Sibanda page

This is not possible. I am merely raising the fact that Altfish80 is a sock puppet that was created to attack the page. Thanks, M — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mziboy (talk • contribs) 17:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't know what you mean by "this is not possible" but I was posting on your talk at the same time.please see my messages there. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:15, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Youreallycan

If you haven't seen the post at ANI please take a look. Any objection to me indefinitely blocking him now? IMHO I think I can do this on my own without community approval, but... Dougweller (talk) 11:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Had a look, replied there, short answer is it has npthing to do with the terms established at the RFC. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

SPI case

Hi Beeb. It appears that User talk:94.12.133.144 may have resumed editing immediately after coming of his IP block. I am tempted to reblock, but I would like your input on this. You may find his recent editing history particularly interesting. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear. I actually declined one of those speedy nominations yeaterday without putting it together. When I see an IP edit its just a string of random numbers to me. Seems likely to me, but User:Acroterion may have more info as the blocking admin. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

RAN

Something you told to Richard Arthur Norton apparently gave him a very wrong impression of what consensus is. See Talk:CBS Records#Disambiguation page vs. CBS Records article, specifically this comment by RAN: "However we set time limits for debate and decision making here at Misplaced Pages. An administrator gave us three days of lock down to come up with consensus." You've mentioned it to him on ANI, and I appreciate that you did, but could you tell him directly? He still just does not get it.--SGCM (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

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suckpupeteer

Not seen that before. A valuable addition to the language! pablo 23:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I stronly prefer it to the term "sockmaster" which I think plays into the sockpupeteers image of themselves as a clever genius circumventing WP with their brilliant plan. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:05, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for your Misplaced Pages help...

Daviddaved 00:11, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Userfy a deleted article

Is there any way you can userfy Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Huá to me? I know it's an old delete but just thought I try. —  AjaxSmack  02:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Now at User:AjaxSmack/Huá Beeblebrox (talk) 03:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't think there's anything worth salvaging but I couldn't remember. —  AjaxSmack  05:09, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

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WP:ANI#Ramil_Safarov

Hi Beeblebrox, I wasn't aware that there was already a discussion going on at AN, must have missed that one completely. Would you mind me merging the thread you closed at ANI into the AN discussion? The 1RR proposal would have to get admin approval anyway so why not have a subsection at the relevant AN discussion. De728631 (talk) 18:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind if you merged them. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, will do. De728631 (talk) 18:57, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Protection on Goodreads article

Hi! I noticed you put an edit block on the Goodreads article because it was turning into a revision war, and I'm glad you noticed it so soon. I was actually just looking for the process of reporting a revision war. I just wanted to ask if it's possible for you to either revert to my previous copy of the article or to remove the controversy section entirely. I'd originally added it because the controversy had gotten some coverage and it resulted in the changing of several of the rules on the site as far as reviews go. I'd like to keep it in there in as neutral a fashion as possible, but if it's going to just cause drama then I'd just as soon not have it at all. In any case, the current article revision lacks reliable sources and looks to be biased towards the side of the side of the sites that are against the negative reviewers. I don't really have an opinion either way, but I would like it to be more neutral than what it currently is like. Could you compare the two versions and make a decision as to whether it should be changed to my version or otherwise deleted? The current article state is atrocious.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 18:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid the short answer is probably not. Per WP:PREFER, protection usually means just protecting whatever version is currently on the page. (for a more lighthearted description of the same issue see the wrong version at Meta. Admins do not make rulings in content disputes and have no special authority over article content. What is needed is for a consensus to be established as to how the article will deal with these issues. If you don't feel the two of you can work that out a thord opinion is a good first step in informal dispute resolution. I see you have already tried to engage the other user in discussion, hopefully that along woth the protection will help resolve the situation. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• The biggest problem so far is that the other user, although well intentioned, is new and unaware of how notability of persons is established and neutrality. I'd really, really appreciate it if you could keep an eye on the conversation between the two of us. I would prefer that we not have to go to dispute resolution but I doubt that we will be seeing eye to eye on this so I'm also going to put in for a third opinion.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 19:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

One question added after your vote

Thanks much for voting. When we put the RfC together, one thing we were all agreed on was that it should run a week, so that it didn't take too much time away from more central questions ... but we decided not to put that in the RfC, I think because we didn't want to force a cutoff in the middle of a good debate. At this point, I've added that question, if you'd like to vote on that one too. - Dank (push to talk) 15:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Re Penyulap

I'm not able to post on Penyulap's talk, but please see this. Bishonen | talk 09:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC).

AN

Hi. Disappointed to see you closed the discussion (request for moratorium) and suggested a RfC. Perhaps my opening statement wasn't clear, but I wasn't asking for a random admin to just declare "moratorium imposed", I was hoping there could be a bit of discussion by some uninvolved parties (admins and non-admins) and they could come to a consensus on whether a moratorium would be useful. The community has the authority to do this and AN is a central noticeboard, not an admin only area. To suggest a RfC, which would be along the lines of "well, we have this RfC over here where we can't get consensus, so I'd like to have a 30-day discussion (usually longer) to see if we shouldn't move these articles until we get a community consensus on the issue", is pretty ridiculous. Surely it's common sense, but try telling that to those involved. As for AN3, of course no one has technically edit warred (these are all experienced and intelligent editors), and a report there would just end in walls of text with no result. In addition, these editors just need a clear cut warning along the lines of "do this and you will be blocked, whatever your justification", something un-wikilawyerable, and they will stop. I'm WP:INVOLVED and unable to make these calls (plus, as you've noted at AN, it's not really something a single admin should be doing), and of course no uninvolved admins want to wade into the mess (can't blame them). Can you please repoen the AN discussion? P.S. – been meaning to say this for a while, but I thought your close of the Ivory Coast RM was excellent and tough break about the RfB. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 13:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

The thing is, AN is explicitly not the place for settling content disputes. The discussion got very long very fast but the majority of it was the same already involved parties just continuing their argument. The remainder of the remarks were me and one other admin trying to explain that there is no mandate for us to do anything. Without a consensus, there is simply no basis for an admin to do anything here, and that conversation was clearly not helping.

Some thoughts on how to proceed:

• WP:DRN is usually a bit faster than RFC, maybe they could help.
• Or a time limited-RFC. I agree that thirty days is probably not warranted for such a discussion, but the RFC framework is not set in stone, it can be modified as the situation warrants.
• I am generally the last person on the world to suggest this, but this may even be that rare case where a poll is appropriate. Since the goal is not to resolve the content dispute but to calm things down so that it can be resolved, a time-limited poll (say five days or a week) to establish the moratorium would give admins the consensus that is needed to enforce any such moratorium, and the poll structure would hopefully discourage the involved parties from posting walls of text.

To be honest I wasn't going to formally close it, I pretty much marked it with {{NOTHERE}} and was ready to be done with it, but then I saw on my watchlist that LittleBen was going back in and posting, not new remarks at the bottom but modifications to remarks he already made that had already been replied to. Rather than have another argument with him it seemed best to just shut the whole thing down.

Oh, the Ivory Coast move. For me that served as a big reminder to keep it short and sweet when trying to explain a close. If you give too many details, people will jump all over them and look for the most sinister interpretation of them they can. It was funny actually, I was at a talk at Wikimania, less than a week later, where the presenter mentioned that nobody cites IAR anymore. Afterword several of us were discussing how he didn't get that admins use IAR all the time, we've just learned not to say so because it makes people go crazy. Thanks for your condolences on the RFB, but really, being told "you're too decisive we want someone more boring" is about the nicest rejection I've ever gotten. I obviously had not realized it, but if boring is what the community wants from crats I probably would not be a good one. I thought they wanted competence and a record of good judgement. Mu mistake. They want competence and no judgement, good or bad. What amused me is that I said right out that I would not answer what has long been the stupidest part of RFB: being asked to re-examine 10-15 old RFAs and say what you wpuld have done. A few people were really bothered by that, but then when 28bytes ran right after me, nobody tried that with him either. I basically count that as a win, we got a new crat and they weren't subjected to the usual hazing. Ok, you caught me just after getting up and clearly I am feeling a nit refelctive this morning and have now posted my own wall-o-text. Coffee time. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Usertalk:Angel670

Talkback

Hi Beeblebrox, I replied to your suggestion a few days ago. Would you mind having a look and letting me know what you think? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 13:29, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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This AfD removal

I'm a bit perplexed by this edit. Was that intended? AllyD (talk) 18:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

• Ah! I guess not, seeing you've reverted. AllyD (talk) 18:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Been editing with an iPad. When looking at a list of changes sometimes a lot of links are close together, all I meant to do was look at the diff but the iPad thought my finger was on the "rollback as vandalism" link. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

• I spent some time on holiday a fortnight ago with a (much cheaper) 7" slab for company and several times thought my fingers / the unresponsive little screen were on the brink of putting some grotesque tag onto an article. AllyD (talk) 18:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thank you Beeblebrox for reading the riot act over Talk:Crimean Karaites. As one who was trying to figure out what the problem was from WP:DRN I gave up about half way down. Hasteur (talk) 19:47, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I was about to give you one for shutting down that pointless DRN thread, I'll do that now. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:17, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I moved the star and copied a choice quote to help me remember in the future to User:Hasteur/HallOfPride. Because the quote uses your signature and timestamp exactly, please let me know if you want it removed. Thank you. Hasteur (talk) 20:32, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

I used the talkpage and did not edit war..The issue has been discussed numerously on the talkpage. Thank you--108.18.145.11 (talk) 20:49, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

many users operate under the mistaken assumption that discussing on the talk page at the same time as edit warring makes it ok. It does not. You discuss instead of edit warring, not concurrent with it. It is a shame that the other user involved apparently refuses to do so, and is now blocked as they have clearly been at this a while but that does not make it ok to keep reverting them. There is no "right side" in an edit war, anyone who particpates is wrong. should this issue come up again, please seek dispite resolution and/or page protection as needed and do not edit war as you have been doing. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:53, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "the ahihud incident"

This page should not have been speedily deleted because... (

• The article, despite being incomplete, was obviously not a "blatant prank" and only perceived as such because of its unusual topic, but if the editor was actually to read the article in its entirety he\she would have noticed the paragraphs featuring and quoting two different studies conducted at two different facilities, one from the from the L. Greenberg National Institute of Forensic Medicine and the other from the Technion Israeli Institute of Technology which prove the findings as impossible to be created by a hoax.
• Because i am currently in touch with people who were involved in the researches conducted on the findings and investigated the event, i was indeed hesitant of adding specific information about the incident without learning from them if the information is accurate or sourced in rumors, the article was incomplete (a fact which was mentioned the end) and lacked important material and sources that would add to its validity a great deal. (photographs of the original documents issued by the National Institute of Forensic Medicine with the study conclusions written by professor Yehuda Hiss, chief pathologist and head of the National Institute of Forensic Medicine at abu kabir as of 1988-present, proving beyond any doubt that the findings from ahihud could not have been the result of a hoax, along with sources to the information featured in the article and links to media coverage of the incident.)

In a site that allowed the "Jerusalem UFO incident" page to remain for months without any sources until I came in and had it removed because it was a definite BLATANT HOAX and proved as such many times, the removal of "The Ahihud incident" is not just unfair but insulting, as the article about the ahihud incident, even at its incomplete state, had much more valid information in it the many other articled related to the subject, and the incident itself despite being debated over for almost 20 years has never once been proved to be a hoax, and actually proved not to be the product of a hoax, not once but twice, once by a government institute and once by a highly regarded research university. because of these reasons i will request the article deletion to be undone as soon as possible, so i may amend it to fit all[REDACTED] standards.) --The truth is around here (talk) 04:08, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

See, you merely claimed those entities investigated this supposed incident. Tell you what, you come up with one reliable source that mentions this supposed incident and I will restore the page. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:45, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

The majority of the information written in the article about the circumstances of the event itself was not sourced in the entities who investigated the event, but was reported by each of the two dozen witnesses who were present in the event including Ziona damti, the female resident that first encountered the scene and Chief Superintenden Danny Elcoby of the acre police department who made a media appearnece following the incident explaining how things went down once he arrived at the scene (an apearence in can link to) and many other residents that agreed to be interviewed to the news that day, but all of the eyewitness accounts put togeather would still not have the value attributed to them if not for the actual physical remains left at the scene and the unusual conclusions of the two major studies conducted on them. reliable sources can indeed be provided and linked to the article if it was restored, i had recived a message from some editor telling me the article was nominated for deletion three days before, a warning i did not pick up on because as you may have noticed, im completley new to[REDACTED] editing and decided to get in to this to create the article about the ahihud event, which was in my opinion, quite supprisingly absent from the site (at least in hebrew, considering english mentions of the incident are quite few on the internet, and the fact that it is known in israel, as it occured in the countrys relativly recent history), so if you restore the page i will change the written information to include names of people involved to make it less obscure and change the phrasing to make it more straight forward but skeptic nonetheless. links to the few media mentions of the incident where the same information that was discussed and debated over in media forums by individuals involved can also be provided, along with links to the original documents leaked from the study conudcted on the remains by the National Institute of Forensic Medicine which was the second study to conclude that the findings cannot be the result of a hoax. The truth is around here (talk) 22:34, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't think you quite understood what I said In my last post. Show me a reliable source, here, on this page, and I will restore the article. Providing the names of supposed witnesses is not going to cut it. Show me the source that says this incident occurred at all. The deletion was not based on the idea that the incident itself was a hoax but rather that the article you posted was a hoax. If it was not, show me the sources proving as much and I would be happy to restore it. Beeblebrox (talk)

Oh I got you, well if that's all i need then here is the news report brodcasted at that day in december of 94 about the incident, the lady who speakes first is mrs Ziona damti who first discoverd the findings and the man with the jacket that speakes after her is the police office that was sent to the scene, Chief Superintenden Danny Elcoby. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REKi4JerDXs (talk) 03:56, 15 September 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.222.212 (talk)

While it would be better if you could find something directly from a source as opposed to a repost from YouTube, it seems this is not a blatant hoax after all and as such I will go ahead nd restore the page. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:05, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, and yes the video is on youtube but was uploaded on the official channel of the channel 2 news network (major channel in israeli television), the opening slide sais "internet news 2", so it's not exactly a repost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The truth is around here (talk • contribs) 21:11, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

User:SCWA Ladies Champion

Can you ban User:SCWA Ladies Champion? This user has uploaded countless copyrighted images from WWE and claiming them to be his own work.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 20:42, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Not really sure why you brought this to me specifically, but I will have a look. (FYI, a WP:BLOCK and a WP:BAN are not really the same thing, a single admin can't ban anyone, but I understand that you probably meant block.) Beeblebrox (talk) 20:46, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. And you're right, I meant to say block.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 20:50, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

At glance it looks like they genuinely do not understand that hey are violating copyright by doing that. Unfortunately for them it makes no difference, we can't allow that. I've blocked them and deleted all the images as obvious copyvios. Hopefully this will be a learning experience for them and they can return to editing. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For dealing with User: Billiejeanthriller. I feel a bit dumb for not catching that hoax ;). Electric Catfish 00:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Well, to be fair I had just deleted another article they created that was tagged as a hoax, so it was easy to see the pattern, but thank you very much for the star! Beeblebrox (talk) 00:29, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: the natural gas issue

There already is Natural gas in Alaska, Alaska gas pipeline (which wasn't even tagged for WP:ALASKA until I took care of it just now) and Office of the Federal Coordinator, Alaska Natural Gas Transportation Projects. Only the second one has any relevant history. They had a big pow-wow here about a week ago with Larry Persily and others. I attended (even though I'm cautious about my real-life identity on here, I'm the guy seated next to Scott Kawasaki in this photo), but it was a lot of talk we've all heard before for years decades. Maybe I should have gone to Arizona anyway, since I had the plane ticket. Last winter was ROUGH.

I'm actually rather amazed that I seem to have the ear of local legislators, with the exception of Bob Miller and David Guttenberg. One of those legislators told me that the Fairbanks Chamber of Commerce lobbied for a gas pipeline from the North Slope during the mid 1950s, or around the time that exploration was occurring in Umiat. Then again, other chambers of commerce were pushing at around the same time for the Knik Arm Bridge and the road to Nome. It's like we're revisiting a bygone era of boosterism. The political mantra over the past decade has been "good jobs." The fact is, there just aren't enough of those good jobs for the population base we have now. I watched a lot of the legislature this year on Grovel to Grovel for the first time in many years. It seems like we have a government/labor union/oil company axis of evil which is content to take care of its own, with the rest of us fending for ourselves.

I haven't been to Chena Hot Springs in a long, long time, apart from accompanying Japanese tour groups. Basically, issues with the folks who currently run it. I always preferred Circle Hot Springs, but it's been closed for probably a decade now. There's also Melozi Hot Springs, but that's out of the way even for me at present.RadioKAOS (talk) 23:05, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

We never stay at the actual resort. the public use cabins in the rec area are more our speed, and the North Fork cabin is a five minute walk from one of the few places up there where grayling fishing is legal. Great spot for the canoe and a bottle of wine as it's a stocked pond, I suppose to keep anglers off the Chena until wild stocks there rebound. I'm missing it right now, there is a reason we aren't usually in Homer in mid-September. The wind is howling, it rains most every day, and half the good places to eat are closed while the staff takes a long post-summer break. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:16, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Re your comment on Jimbo's talk page

" loads and loads of ignorant arguments, ethnic/political/religious mudslinging, wildly off-topic rambling postings of all kinds, name calling, trolling"... and those would be its better qualities! --Orange Mike | Talk 18:59, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Now that it has become clear who was really proposing the idea it all makes sense. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

James Klar and The Magic Pig

I googled it before tagging it as a hoax and this is what I found. It provides no indication that the book exists, and therefore, I believe that it is a hoax. Please take another look at it. Thank you, Electric Catfish 19:10, 19 September 2012 (UTC).

History merge

I was wondering if you could merge User:Zac/Sandbox/Liz & Dick to Liz & Dick for me? Thanks. Zac  22:00, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it's been done without me. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:25, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Keith Vaz.

Could I ask you to look at this and change if and only if necessary. Regards JRPG (talk) 16:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Reverting it was probably sufficient. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

CBS Records redux

It seems that Moxy cannot admit that what he believes to be true the admins do not agree with. I lost my patience with him as you can see from the back and forth in the Talk:CBS Records page. Steelbeard1 (talk) 19:38, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

At this point it seems unlikely that administrative action alone can resolve this problem. I again suggest that this dispute has risen to the level where WP:ARBCOM may need to become involved. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

It's already in RfC at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Economy, trade, and companies but I have yet to see outsiders add their input. Steelbeard1 (talk) 20

58, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	From one admin to another for your tireless work on AN and other kinds of disputes and problematic areas. It ain't gone unnoticed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:26, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Well thank you! It's nice to get the right kind of notice when one has recently gotten the wrong kind. Not that I am ashamed of my remarks, but to see them used by Fox News... gross. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah! Wrong barnstar - it should have been the 'Defender of the Wiki' one ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

PC

FYI. And FWIW, on a slightly different note regarding NPP, although I am not entirely in favour of creating a right for NPP, I fear that the question may become inevitable when the NewPagesFeed is finally released for general use and has been monitored for a while. The reviewer right (whatever that will be) could be a possible guideline, and might incorporate both if need arises. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:58, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

 :- ) Don 04:47, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

SPLC

Hello Beeblebrox. I happened to see your comment at Talk:Southern Poverty Law Center#RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles?. Recently User:Arthur Rubin was reported at WP:AN3 by MrX, per WP:AN3#User:Arthur Rubin reported by User:MrX (Result: ) for some reverts that involved mention of SPLC opinions. So far no admin has decided to close the AN3 report. In the effort to nudge things toward closure, I have begun a discussion at User talk:Arthur Rubin#Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion. It's my hope that a compromise with Arthur could be found that would allow closing the AN3 report about him. If you have anything to add to the discussion on his talk page it would be fine. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 19:13, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi, Can you warn this ip: ..I am not even sure if all of his vandalisms were undone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.145.11 (talk) 03:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done', although anyone can issue a vandalism warning. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Blah blah...

I realized that the same discussions were raging on. After thinking about it, I decided that further contributions on my part would amount to beating a dead horse. I saw the announcements for those research accounts. Unfortunately, I'm back to getting my Internet access primarily through the library or through Wi-Fi on my phone. Therefore, it would be a waste of those accounts. Besides, there's a treasure trove of material available at just about any library to anyone willing to spend the time required to find it. For instance, I came across the Pioneers of Alaska's history of Homer the other day. Looking through the 1930s-1950s photos made me realize that Homer hasn't really changed all that much in the years since.

The borough's library director has a column every Monday in the FDNM. His column this week ended with the lament that Alaska is pretty far behind other places in biographical coverage of its people. I talk to a lot of like-minded people on subjects like these, and the attitude is that everyone is waiting around for a grant or a book deal. The ones who have made their living on the sort of thing that you and I and others have done on Misplaced Pages for free pretty much loathe Misplaced Pages for that very reason.

That 1964 Milepost I previously referred to mentions that Wasilla was (at the time) well-known as the home of Gerrit "Heinie" Snider, a highly notable person from Wasilla who had the misfortune of being somewhat lost to modern history. I wonder if it's worth mentioning elsewhere or if people would wind up scratching their heads. If Sarah Palin lives on Lake Lucille, she probably lives on part of the Snider homestead. Also, Snider's daughter was mayor of Wasilla when Palin was in junior high. Lots of history that's not being taken into account. Like when I was glancing at the FDNM website, look at the attention given to Coleman Barney versus Richard Frank, and tell me who is the more historically important person.RadioKAOS (talk) 23:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Crimean Karaites talk page

Please could you enforce the 'rule' you posted on Talk:Crimean Karaites that "New remarks below old remarks. Don't insert remarks into the middle of a thread." Kaz is inserting comments into the middle of the thread on Talk:Crimean Karaites, and has started doing the same at Talk:Karaim language.--Toddy1 (talk) 11:01, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Why does Toddy1 always do something, then when I copy him he points out how wrong my actions were but never points out what he himself has been doing. Classic straw-man attack. I think it best for me to simply continue to reply where Users are talking to me. But I promise, that if Toddy does what he wants me to do then I will follow him. I am only copying him after-all. Kaz 22:14, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I am so sick of this bullshit. Go find some other admin to babysit the lot of you. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:17, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Requesting WP:FORUM statement for Talk:Crimean_Karaites

I'd appreciate it if you'd reinforce the Wiki Not A Forum on that TP - the page is a mess in many ways, but there is also waaaay too much discussion between some editors about their personal beliefs/experiences instead of discussing Reliable Sources to improve the article. Thanks. HammerFilmFan (talk) 02:27, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Please see my response to the thread directly above this one. I have asked at WP:ANRFC for a previously uninvolved admin to come in and close the move discussion. The rest of it is probably going to need some form of WP:DR, not an admin babysitter. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Renaming User: Shanequinlan01

Listen thanks for the courtesy blanking but I'd rather have the account renamed. I'm finished with wikipedia and I really don't want any reminders as well as the fact that I want to protect my privacy. The name still comes up despite the page being deleted. Stockprice(temporary) (talk) 11:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC) PS This account is only temporary for the purpose of dealing with my request.

I've emailed the bureaucrats mailing list asking them to consider renaming the account. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:17, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much.

Stockprice(temporary) (talk) 18:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

On Ceviche

I read that you took the page under protection, as I understand, against non-consensus moves. Lately I have been the only user who wanted to move that page to: Cebiche. It was not possible manually so I asked admin help. Than I saw that there are several users who opposed a possible move. So I opened a discussion on the RM. (In fact I only added an RfC tag to the discussion I had already opened and nobody had joined by then.) Anyway, after this we will only discuss the RM and at the end of the discussion wait for an admin to close it, in favour or against. Nobody is making a move without consensus. (When I tried to move the article there was no visible controversy -no discussion on the TP- so I never thought doing something arbitrary. Could I make myself clear? All the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Nobody is in trouble or anything, the protection is just to stop any future moves from being made without a consensus. It is usually a good idea to check the talk page archives before making a move, in this case it has in fact been discussed before so it cannot be considered an uncontroversial move. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

It is truly like herding cats here

I don't see anyone else trying to propose solid solutions to the stuff that just happened. Yet people have no problem calling things "dumb", despite offering nothing else as an alternative. My RfC is an informal proposal. It is meant primarily for the Administrators to consider, since they are generally the enforcement arm of policy. Nothing in policy requires me to have a formal RfC, listed on RfC pages. It is a request that people weigh in with comments. That's it. If you feel the need to weigh in, do so positively. Or find a professional rationale for closing the debate. But how many times do we need to remind people that civility means you don't post things like what you just did? -- Avanu (talk) 18:33, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

A couple of points:

• calling an idea dumb is not incivility. If I said a person was dumb, that is something else
• Misplaced Pages doesn't need civility police forcing everyone to talk like we are in a kindergarten
• Don't ever remove someone else's comment like that. Not mine, not anyone else's. you can disagree with me all you want and that's fine, but don't be trying to be WP's self appointed censor. All it will get you is a block, so don't bother. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, calling an idea "dumb" is incivil. Ideas don't have intellect, and an idea could be ill considered, or lacking in detail, or have some particular flaws, but an idea itself is not dumb. The only dumb entity would be the proposer of an idea that is called "dumb". If you have particular complaints, voice them as an intelligent person.

Misplaced Pages does apparently need Civility police when people can get away with constantly being jerks.

And as far as your comment being somehow sacrosanct and unremovable, why is that? Did your comment help the encyclopedia in some profound way? Did it add to the debate there? Did it do anything to help me or anyone else formulate a solution and improve our processes? Or was it simply nitpicking my perhaps-clumsy attempt to help? Think about it. -- Avanu (talk) 18:47, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I asked you to think about it. Your templating my User Page says you did nothing of the kind. You lecture me about removing your post in one forum while simultaneously dismissing me here. -- Avanu (talk) 18:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)