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| *None of which are sufficient reasons for keeping the article. ''As I am sure you are aware, deleting Mr. Revell's entry from your archives could have serious career consequences for a musician on the brink of widespread commercial success in the U.S. This is an action not to be taken lightly '' is immaterial--Misplaced Pages is not here to advance a career (Parenthetically, a Misplaced Pages biography generally has very little impact on career trajectory, and attempts to 'guilt' editors into keeping an article have even less impact on the Misplaced Pages community). None of the removed citations came from reliable sources, per ]. Also please read ]; Misplaced Pages does not include articles based on the possibility or even likelihood that someone ''may'' become notable. As yet there is no evidence that "he is widely cited by his peers." If there are ''any'' credible sources, I'd suggest you add them, rather than making claims that no editors have yet been able to substantiate. If and when such sources become available, a deleted article may be resubmitted. Thanks, ] (]) 20:18, 12 October 2012 (UTC) | *None of which are sufficient reasons for keeping the article. ''As I am sure you are aware, deleting Mr. Revell's entry from your archives could have serious career consequences for a musician on the brink of widespread commercial success in the U.S. This is an action not to be taken lightly '' is immaterial--Misplaced Pages is not here to advance a career (Parenthetically, a Misplaced Pages biography generally has very little impact on career trajectory, and attempts to 'guilt' editors into keeping an article have even less impact on the Misplaced Pages community). None of the removed citations came from reliable sources, per ]. Also please read ]; Misplaced Pages does not include articles based on the possibility or even likelihood that someone ''may'' become notable. As yet there is no evidence that "he is widely cited by his peers." If there are ''any'' credible sources, I'd suggest you add them, rather than making claims that no editors have yet been able to substantiate. If and when such sources become available, a deleted article may be resubmitted. Thanks, ] (]) 20:18, 12 October 2012 (UTC) | ||
| You did not address his thus far commercial success, which DOES fit under the Misplaced Pages definition of notable. The reasons stated in my last paragraph of my first comment are all, independently, reasons given in WP:MUSIC for allowing a notable music bio. This reasoning cannot just be ignored by stating "none of which are sufficient," that is just flatly untrue. Did you fail to follow the link to the commercial that I provided? |
You did not address his thus far commercial success, which DOES fit under the Misplaced Pages definition of notable. The reasons stated in my last paragraph of my first comment are all, independently, reasons given in WP:MUSIC for allowing a notable music bio. This reasoning cannot just be ignored by stating "none of which are sufficient," that is just flatly untrue. How can the very commercial that used his song, itself, be unreliable, especially in combination with his discography on Bandcamp, where the song is available in its entirety? Did you fail to follow the link to the commercial that I provided? Are you not aware that under the DMCA the recording artist who created "Gone Gone" would have these sources removed almost instantly if they were not reliable sources, if the music had somehow, no matter how unlikely, been recorded by another artist? In the case of this song, all THREE factors of reliability, the source itself, the publisher of the source, and the publisher of the source are COMPLETELY reliable. Mr. Revell IS notable, and he has every indication of remaining notable as an American singer-songwriter in the future. | ||
| I am not an editor of this article. I have added links and they have been removed within minutes of my adding them, by whom I do not know. Perhaps John from Chapel Hill can answer that question. He seems to have some sort of personal connection to and/or vendetta against Mr. Revell. I don't have time to keep adding reliable sources just to have them taken down by the likes of you. My law practice keeps me too busy to fool around much on Misplaced Pages. But I do know that calling an artist whose career depends on notoriety "un-notable" might be considered by a court as libel, Mr. 76.248.149.47. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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This subject appears not meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. The review in non-notable Urban Folk magazine is alone doesn't seem convincing of notability. Media coverage is exceedingly local and lends even less to an encyclopedic biography. The subject also doesn't approach WP:MUSICBIO for much the same reason. Also, his association with more notable ensembles doesn't give way to much coverage of this individual beyond passing mention, credits, and liner notes. Note, this is a somewhat scrubbed version of an autobiography. JFHJr (㊟) 04:38, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- there were some interviews with Jeffrey Lewis that were removed, for no apparent reason they're here: http://www.trakmarx.com/2001_02/lewis.htm and http://mancunianmatters.co.uk/content/21101485-first-lastwith-new-york-anti-folk-star-jeffrey-lewis both of these articles corroborate that Grey is a contemporary of these artists, which is all the article ever said in the first place. also here is a link to the album produced by Grey on Ramseur Records: http://paleface.bandcamp.com/album/the-show-is-on-the-road If the other less notable records should be removed, that is a valid case, but the only problem here seems that there weren't enough citations. Astrocrow (talk) 13:32, 9 October 2012 (UTC) — Astrocrow (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- WP:LOTSOFSOURCES wouldn't do anything to save this article. The mancunianmatters website and Jeffrey Lewis blog are of moderate (but not strong) reliability for BLP content; they has exactly one passing mention of the subject (the articles simply aren't about him) and exactly zero in-depth coverage of the subject in sources that are actually reliable. This subject has been an associate of Paleface, so that's not independent coverage. See WP:42. None of this is negotiable: being a contemporary of other artists is not notable. JFHJr (㊟) 16:01, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Stripped-down version of the fuller autobiography, with little in the way of sources to support notability. The Lewis interviews note Mr. Revell as an admired musician, but these are passing mentions in interviews from sources of uncertain reliability, and Mr. Lewis' claim to notability, as evidenced at his Wiki article, could use further references as well...but that's another story. 76.248.149.47 (talk) 13:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, per WP:MUSIC, WP:GNG, WP:BIO, etc. Qworty (talk) 22:15, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 18:33, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
DO NOT DELETE. Mr. Revell has recorded over eight albums, and is a significant contributor to the anti-folk community and genre. Mr. Revell's contributions are significant and notable. Reliable sources can also include the albums he has recorded as original sources. They are available in full version here: http://greyrevell.bandcamp.com/. Though his recorded albums are "self-authored" and are not "Independent of the Subject" these albums, taken along with his recent commercial popularity abroad, his recent attention from media and new fan base, and his significant influence on other anti-folk musicians should be taken as a whole to come to the conclusion that he and his music are notable subjects worthy of a Misplaced Pages page.
Also, though Mr. Revell has yet to attain widespread attention in the United States, he is not 'likely to remain' in this position, as his popularity is growing exponentially due to the recent attention received via the HP commercial. Mr. Revell is a notable and significant American singer-songwriter and deserves a Misplaced Pages page.
Grey Revell's contribution to American Songwriting is significant. His recent placement in the HP commercial is a significant achievement, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O91lPSKfgpk&feature=relmfu . He is receiving more downloads now than any other indie musician referenced in his own article. He is touring with the nationally known artist "Paleface" and contributing significantly to his next album. As I am sure you are aware, deleting Mr. Revell's entry from your archives could have serious career consequences for a musician on the brink of widespread commercial success in the U.S. This is an action not to be taken lightly.
It would disserve the Misplaced Pages community to delete the page of such a significant and notable American singer-songwriter. He is, under the Misplaced Pages guidelines for notability of music, a "prominent representative of a notable style of music", anti-folk. He has "performed music for a work of media that is notable", the HP commercial. He is a member of a national PRO. He is widely cited by his peers, though all citations are not posted here, and someone seems to be systematically deleting the citations that have been posted recently. There are more sources available. All of these criteria make him eligible for the definition of "notable" under Misplaced Pages's policy guidelines.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AmandaBCook (talk • contribs) 16:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC) — AmandaBCook (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- None of which are sufficient reasons for keeping the article. As I am sure you are aware, deleting Mr. Revell's entry from your archives could have serious career consequences for a musician on the brink of widespread commercial success in the U.S. This is an action not to be taken lightly is immaterial--Misplaced Pages is not here to advance a career (Parenthetically, a Misplaced Pages biography generally has very little impact on career trajectory, and attempts to 'guilt' editors into keeping an article have even less impact on the Misplaced Pages community). None of the removed citations came from reliable sources, per WP:RELIABLE. Also please read WP:CRYSTAL; Misplaced Pages does not include articles based on the possibility or even likelihood that someone may become notable. As yet there is no evidence that "he is widely cited by his peers." If there are any credible sources, I'd suggest you add them, rather than making claims that no editors have yet been able to substantiate. If and when such sources become available, a deleted article may be resubmitted. Thanks, 76.248.149.47 (talk) 20:18, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
You did not address his thus far commercial success, which DOES fit under the Misplaced Pages definition of notable. The reasons stated in my last paragraph of my first comment are all, independently, reasons given in WP:MUSIC for allowing a notable music bio. This reasoning cannot just be ignored by stating "none of which are sufficient," that is just flatly untrue. How can the very commercial that used his song, itself, be unreliable, especially in combination with his discography on Bandcamp, where the song is available in its entirety? Did you fail to follow the link to the commercial that I provided? Are you not aware that under the DMCA the recording artist who created "Gone Gone" would have these sources removed almost instantly if they were not reliable sources, if the music had somehow, no matter how unlikely, been recorded by another artist? In the case of this song, all THREE factors of reliability, the source itself, the publisher of the source, and the publisher of the source are COMPLETELY reliable. Mr. Revell IS notable, and he has every indication of remaining notable as an American singer-songwriter in the future. I am not an editor of this article. I have added links and they have been removed within minutes of my adding them, by whom I do not know. Perhaps John from Chapel Hill can answer that question. He seems to have some sort of personal connection to and/or vendetta against Mr. Revell. I don't have time to keep adding reliable sources just to have them taken down by the likes of you. My law practice keeps me too busy to fool around much on Misplaced Pages. But I do know that calling an artist whose career depends on notoriety "un-notable" might be considered by a court as libel, Mr. 76.248.149.47. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmandaBCook (talk • contribs) 00:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
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