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Ujjwal Patni

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No indication in published third-party reliable sources that the individual concerned meets WP:Notability (people) guidelines, either as an author or for any other reasons. Seems to be an efficient self-publicist, hence the abundance of self-authored puffery, but nothing else of any real significance - despite attempts to manufacture notability by synthesis. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Delete for abjectly failing WP:AUTHOR and WP:BK. This is pure WP:ADVERT. Qworty (talk) 00:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Delete for lack of notability. Rhode Island Red (talk) 00:51, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Keep, Absolutely notable. Patni is a prominent self help author of Indian origin Indian with 6 books in more than 10 languages (a significant achievement), who has received multiple awards, has widely covered by media in Hindi and English. Most of the top Indian and global websites show his books and numerous evidences are there on internet. Multiple exclusive stories about Patni in top Hindi media is also available. Sorry to say, but due to unknown reasons one contributor has not respected the neutral spirit of Misplaced Pages and reverted 100 % positive edits done by others in last 6 months.

The subject clearly meets the criteria for WP:AUTHOR and WP:Notability (people) guidelines.

Exclusive publication about Patni with reference of Books and other achievements

Latest published Biography - Dr Ujjwal Patni is a dentist turned self-help author of 6 books published in more than 12 languages, a popular motivational speaker

Latest Published Interview - The Times of India weekly speaking tree print edition. A dentist turned motivational speaker and corporate trainer, with more than two lakh trainees across 100 cities, Dr Patni is the celebrated author of six self-help books in 12 languages. Here’s an exclusive chat with Guinness world record achiever Dr Ujjwal Patni:.

Latest published news about review of Patni's book Power Thinking in India Today - http://www.onlineprnews.com/news/238521-1340137375-india-today-recommends-power-thinking-by-top-trainer-author-dr-ujjwal-patni.html The book in light is Power Thinking authored by Top Indian author and corporate trainer Dr Ujjwal Patni. Power Thinking

list of Books - Power Thinking, Winners and losers, Safal vakta safal vyakti, Great Words Win Hearts, The Bitter truth of network marketing and network marketing – join add win.

All the books are with ISBN numbers and widely available in multiple languages. Just for reference, all the top online sellers show Patni's book on their catalogue. Some are presented below.

Books on Flipkart, India's top online store shows Patni's 14 Books in multiple languages

Books on Google

Books on Amazon

Hundreds of other evidence are present in different language on world wide web. Thanks...Nothing Personal and Nothing permanent. (talk) 12:08, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment'. And here we go - the same meaningless sources that we've already been bombarded with at Talk:Ujjwal Patni -

'Biography': reader-submitted content , written by an anonymous person who states that "As a passion and hobby, he contributes in national level newspapers, magazines and blogs on leadership, motivation and personal effectiveness as a free lancer".

'Interview': Written by the subject himself, and not published in the Times of India. This is 'http://www.speakingtree.in'. Interestingly, I see that the salient fact that this was self-authored has now been removed from the page. It does nothing to establish notability under our guidelines anyway...

'Latest published news': from 'onlineprnews.com' - a press release. "Online PR Media offers affordable multimedia press releases that achieve high search engine visibility -- putting your message in front of the right people at exactly the right time".

'List of books': Wrong link, but so what? We know Patni writes books. None of them have received the recognition required meet the requirements of WP:AUTHOR.

Misplaced Pages notability requirements have repeatedly been explained to Mahaveerji, but all we've been given in return is unsuitable sources. synthesis, irrelevance, and waffle. We don't need evidence that Patni writes books. We need evidence that his books qualify him for an article under our notability guidelines. No such evidence has been provided, though Mahaveerji asserts the contrary. So a simple question for Mahaveerji: which of the specific numbered criteria in WP:AUTHOR does Patni meet, and where are the third-party published reliable sources to demonstrate this? AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:57, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Comments of AndyTheGrump

With Good Faith, I suggest you to correlate the facts through primary, secondary and third party reliable sources. If none of the contributors are making exaggerated claim about Patni, personal attacks must be stopped on contributors who want to construct this article and nothing derogatory must be said about the subject. I am presenting a point to point reply to the comments posted by you.

'Your first comment - Biography' - Intentionally ? the full introduction of the author is conceded and only few selected words were presented by you. Successstories is a global reputed website that has published credible biographies of achievers across the world. Instead of discussing a single line about Patni's biography, you are more concerned about the author's bio. Pls correlate the contents with other available evidences. Few other lines conceded by you about the worthy contributor are -

Ramesh, a management postgraduate works as a senior regional manager in an educational company. He loves to meet top motivational speakers to know about their lives, words and work and spreads their inspiration and wisdom through his writings. Ramesh also takes sessions throughout the country on motivation, marketing and human relationships. He is inspired by Dr Stephen covey, Dale Carnegie, Sri Sri Ravishankar, Dr. Kiran Bedi and Dr. Ujjwal Patni. Does it make any difference, if the content is accurate?

' Your second comment - Interview' - Instead of questioning the content, Why are you continuously questioning the credibility of India's topmost media house to delete Patni is not clear. The Times of India Speaking Tree (English weekly) is a weekly newspaper that caters to the reader seeking any form of wellbeing of the mind or body.

Furthermore even if it is 'http://www.speakingtree.in', that doesn't decrease the credibility because it is started by The Times of India and provides a platform to interact with gurus, seek answers.

' Your third comment about online pr news' - I would suggest you to correlate the content with numerous evidences available, instead of doubting on everybody's intent. The news is about the review of Ujjwal Patni's book Power Thinking on India Today which is a highly prestigious weekly Hindi magazine of India. There is no extraordinary claim in the news about Patni. If you are really responsible researcher , i would suggest you to get this prestigious Hindi review translated and you would surely take back your deletion nomination.

' Your fourth comment - I sincerely thank you for accepting that Patni writes books. Let the notability issue to be evaluated by unbiased, neutral and ethical Wikipedians.

Thanks Thanks...Nothing Personal and Nothing permanent. (talk) 15:40, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I have no interest in discussing ethics with an idiot. Find somewhere else to promote Patni. He isn't notable by our criteria. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

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