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Re: Some comments

Yes, posting comments to Talk:History of Croatia is fine. --Joy (talk) 14:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Your changes in Zadar article...

...are not written in good faith. It's based on selective sources and interpretation. It represents extreme politics of the Italian irredentists. No need for that. 78.0.152.65 (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC) Example: you wrote: "Andrea Schiavone, known in today's Croatia with the name of Andrija Medulić", as you don't know that "Schiavone" means - a Croat!78.0.152.65 (talk) 11:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Fist, you should log. In principle I do not answer to anonymous users. Also I think you should read about[REDACTED] code of conduct before posting again a comment of that kind, or your user ID could be blocked. To enter in the matter of your concern. Being qualified of irredentism is inappropriate and injustified. I do not consider that Italy has any right of claim for Zadar and or anywhere else in Dalmatia or Istria. Italy started a war and los it. It is a logical consequence to lose land. What I do not uderstand are the efforts made by modern Croatian storiography to change the history of people that lived in territories that today are in the border of modern Croatia. Concern the etymology of Schiavone I know where it comes form and it means "Slav",because it was from Dalmatia. But Damatia at that time was not Croatia, was the Republic of Venice. --Silvio1973 (talk) 17:40, 3 December 2011 (UTC) Your Italian educational system as such is very problematic concerning Dalmatia and its population in history. They don't teach you the real stuff, you have distorted paradigm abaout it. Example - you use Austrian censi from the middle 19th century but you obviously dont't know that these censi were not like modern ones, it was not based on ethnicity as modern censi are, it was based on "language spoken in public life" which cannot be equalised with ethnicity in this case since official language in Dalmatia was Italian, proclaimed by Italian administration with a fake document. Dalmatia was a part of Venetian Republic, but it was not populated by Venetians or Italians, neither it was part of Italy. But all of this was already said and resolved in Zadar talk page. You are just starting problems from the beginning. 83.131.73.39 (talk) 14:53, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Giorgio da Sebenico

I noticed you talked about Niccolo Fiorentino, so I thought you'd like to have a look at Talk:Giorgio da Sebenico. We have an Italian user there who insists that his proper name was Giorgio Orsini, but has not been able to provide a proper source to verify this. Either way the issue of most common name looks to favor the more geographic name for the main title, but it would be good to verify if there's any real merit to this argument. --Joy (talk) 10:24, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

On my books of Art they are reported as being the same person. I gave a look to the talk on Talk:Giorgio da Sebenico (honestly disappointing, I wonder if these users mind really something about art) and I must confess that it's a true mess. Also, it is simply not serious that 80% of the article is about the dispute on the name and only 20% about his masterpieces. And everywhere in the article there are translation in the two languages of names and places... honestly the article should be written again from scrap. It should be an article on art and it is looks indeed as a street fight. What some users should understand is that in the XIV century parents did not go to the Town Hall to register their children! Only people with noble origins were keen in transmitting the family name to their children. Most of them were called "Name" + From (da) "somewhere". Concerning Giorgio Orsini (Alias Giorgio da Sebenico) this name was given to the artist when he was already dead. My proposal is to report in the text (briefly) this fact but to use for the rest of the article the name Giorgio da Sebenico. Side comment : in Italy it is quite known as Orsini. --Silvio1973 (talk) 14:31, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that basically confirms what I suspected to be the case. I also don't really like the fact that I contributed to an expansion of a name debate that is already overblown and has undue weight. Hopefully a person interested in art will come along and offset this with actual art content. --Joy (talk) 13:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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Third opinion response

Hello there. I'm in response of a request for a third opinion. I am currently reviewing the talk page of the disputed page and should come up with a response in the near future. Whenaxis (talk) 22:34, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit war

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Hi. This is Whenaxis. I filed an edit war filing on your behalf for both you and Zenanarh for your edits on Zadar and Luciano. You can see the application here: . Hope all gets resolved - or unfortunately arbitration will be the next step. Yours truly, Whenaxis about talk contribs 23:45, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

This is a good one. I have filed an application for edit war against Zenanarh. However, I will accept the judgement of any arbitration. And I hope this will show the road to follow in the future. It is not possible that any modification concerning the history of Dalmatia has to become every time a kind of war. --Silvio1973 (talk) 18:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

• Because the edit war has seemed to have calmed down, I have decided not to issue a block in this case, but this is a clear warning that Edit warring and/or violation of the three revert rule are not allowed and will result in a future block if continued. -- DQ (t) (e) 23:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

DeltaQuad, Surely they have calmed down. I moved away from the dispute and the current versions of the article those convenient for Zenanarh (he was the last one to modify!). Next time I'll ask directly for a 3rd opinion without getting in such discussions. You can go trough the talk and see how much I tried to find a consensus and what was Zenanarh's reaction. You should also see how much disputed are the article about Dalmatia and its history to understand that there is a real problem of POV's about the content of those articles. --Silvio1973 (talk) 15:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello again

After my decision, I looked back to your contributions and Zenanarh's contributions. And I thought everything was over, then I saw your edits for Luciano Laurana and Schiavone, and you guys are still disputing.

So I decided to help you guys make a decision by requesting for comments from the larger community. I will follow the dispute in the following days, if you need anymore help, please leave a message on my talk page. Sincerely, Whenaxis talk contribs 00:42, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

RFC/U discussion concerning you (Silvio1973)

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January 2012

An thread that concerns you has been posted on WP:ANI. See Personal attacks and incivility by User:Zenanarh. Regards -- Director (talk) 14:29, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hey

Hi Silvio1973. It's Whenaxis again. I would just like to follow up with my previous mediation and I would like to see if there are any remaining issues that have been on your mind. Any questions regarding what the next step should be or anything else, I am happy to help you with your journey on Misplaced Pages. Please leave a message on my talk page on anything I can do to assist. Thanks, Whenaxis about | talk 20:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

WP:OUTING

Again, I'm gonna report you, but please stop using personal names. -- Director (talk) 15:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

No problem, but do you realise that YOU started with this? Why do you call me Silvio? Don't do to the others what you do not want they do to you.

Kind regards.

--Silvio1973 (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

You must be joking? "Silvio" is part of your public username! -- Director (talk) 18:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

My user name is Silvio1973, not Silvio. I called you with your name (alleged) because you started. However, I will refer to you as Direktor. No problem. --Silvio1973 (talk) 18:07, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

To be brief: addressing you with a part of your username, as opposed to its entirety, is not WP:OUTING. What you're doing is. Please do not do so in future. -- Director (talk) 18:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

It will not happen again, but please do not call me with my first name. I dislike you to take such proximity. --Silvio1973 (talk) 18:17, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

That's a different matter. You should have requested that immediately. -- Director (talk) 19:11, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I came across this argument when adding a comment to DIREKTOR's talk page, and I've just got to make a suggestion to you; don't take things personally and assume good faith. Your reaction to him calling you Silvio and leaving out your year of birth was bordering on absurdity. Your username is what people will refer to you as, people call me BaSH because it's shorter, and I accept that because that is what normal people do. I'm unsure of what led up to this, but if your biggest complaint with a person is that they left out your year of birth, then you really don't have any basis to complain dude. :/ BaSH PR0MPT (talk) 03:55, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

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I will revert all your corrections later

I do not understand the comment that you placed on my talk page regarding the Zadar article: I will revert all your corrections later. My corrections were just that, corrections, they didn't change the content. There is some really poor writing in that article, and it is not properly sourced. I didn't find anything on the talk page that would suggest that correcting spelling or grammar would be improper, or fixing a redlink. Could you clarify your comment for me please? I did notice the warning regarding violations of Misplaced Pages policy, is that what you mean by: There's a lot of discussion going on Zadar right now.? Reading the talk page there was a decision six weeks age (12 January 2012) by administrator Whenaxis, is there still a problem? --Bejnar (talk) 20:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Citation

One of the things that might help citation in the Zadar article is use of the Template:Cite in its various formats: Cite news, Cite web, Cite book.

Also it is sufficient when linking to a page in a book on Google Books to limit the url to the book id and page number. Thus:

http://books.google.it/books?id=kMXURN7sxh4C&printsec=frontcover

provides the same display as:

http://books.google.it/books?id=kMXURN7sxh4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=italians+of+dalmatia&hl=it&sa=X&ei=HMIGT5X7BsGe-wbi86C5AQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=italians%20of%20dalmatia&f=false

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Improvements to Rasac

Hi, Silvio1973, I just wanted to stop by and say that your improvements to the Rasac article were exactly what I thought was needed when I placed that tag on it. Well done! - Jorgath (talk) 12:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

RE: Italians of Crimea

Hey, I responded to you on my talk page instead of here to keep the continuity of the conversation. --ddima (talk) 23:25, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Giovanni Cernogoraz

I wouldn't say the information you removed is of "no importance" - I did not add it to prove a particular point, but to provide additional background on his employment situation, especially given the fact that the article will become a DYK entry, and the hook is precisely about his job.

By the same criterion, it could be said that the information you entered is also of no importance, and in fact it was removed, and then restored. I have no problem with it, so let's not split hairs, I like the article the way it was, with both of these facts inside for the benefit of the reader. GregorB (talk) 11:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Dalmatia / Bay of Kotor

Please defend your position by showing a few more reliable sources that prove your assertion that the Bay is notably described as Dalmatia. If you just keep reverting, regardless of whom you are reverting:

In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you continue with the behaviour on Dalmatia, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you.

--Joy (talk) 07:19, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Joy, I have reverted user Nemambrata because I do not find normal that someone modifies the article without being really involved before in the discussion. --Silvio1973 (talk) 07:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I see you have already been notified and warned regarding WP:ARBCOM. Another POV removal of WP:SET results (from a reference intended to show the prevalence of a term) will be instantly reported on the relevant noticeboard, and will be presented as part of your pattern of pro-Italian tendentious editing on this project (as previously noted by Joy). The relevant policies are WP:NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, WP:VANDALISM, WP:EDIT WAR, and WP:TENDENTIOUS EDITING. regards. -- Director (talk) 11:41, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

What about WP:CANVASSING? That's what you have done trough the the Talk page of Dalmatia. However Direktor, I think you are an expert in the matter of being blocked. At least this is what appears going trough your Talk page.--Silvio1973 (talk) 11:52, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Please read the policy before you accuse others of a breach. Thank you. -- Director (talk) 12:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Consistent usage of the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARY

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In short: go to secondary sources, and (for the purposes at hand) completely forget about "original" or "official" names. Again, thank you. -- Director (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

What are you talking about?! Where did I call you an "irredentist"? I did no such thing. You called me "arrogant" and "obsessed" for simply following policy, and you referred to my contributions as "crap". But I did NOT call you an "irredentist" or "fascist" or whatever else you're on about here. This is outright slanderous. -- Director (talk) 19:43, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement

There is new thread on arbitration enforcement forum that might be interesting to you - http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#DIREKTOR Nemambrata (talk) 13:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)