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Regarding . Per ]: "Inline references can significantly bloat the wikitext in the edit window and can be extremely difficult and confusing. There are three methods that avoid clutter in the edit window: ], short citations or parenthetical references. (As with other citation formats, articles should not undergo large scale conversion between formats without consensus to do so.)" I'd like to introduce list-defined references to this article, to make it more friendly to edit (less code -> closer to WYSWIWYG). Per the request of editor who reverted me and ] recommendation I'd like to ask editors interested in this article for input which style they prefer, and strongly suggest following the "avoid clutter" recommendation. While LDR add a little code to the total size of the article, it amounts to only 10% or so of the total article size, so load time should not be significantly affected (nobody should notice a 10% change; also, section edit load time will shorter anyway...), and editing experience should become much friendlier. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 05:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Regarding . Per ]: "Inline references can significantly bloat the wikitext in the edit window and can be extremely difficult and confusing. There are three methods that avoid clutter in the edit window: ], short citations or parenthetical references. (As with other citation formats, articles should not undergo large scale conversion between formats without consensus to do so.)" I'd like to introduce list-defined references to this article, to make it more friendly to edit (less code -> closer to WYSWIWYG). Per the request of editor who reverted me and ] recommendation I'd like to ask editors interested in this article for input which style they prefer, and strongly suggest following the "avoid clutter" recommendation. While LDR add a little code to the total size of the article, it amounts to only 10% or so of the total article size, so load time should not be significantly affected (nobody should notice a 10% change; also, section edit load time will shorter anyway...), and editing experience should become much friendlier. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 05:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
:Yes, I completely agree. I did that with the ] and ] articles and it works well. It also really helps when you want to find the refs again to edit them as you know right where to look, instead of having to search through a sea of text.--<i>ɱ </i> 06:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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Why is there no mention of Lincoln's stance on Animal Rights? He was considered a major advocate of animal rights for his time.--Valkyrie Red (talk)
True. Lincoln was personally kind to animals including his Tabby cat at the White House. However PETA (founded 1980) did not exist then. Unless there is a specific Lincoln speech on Animal rights I am not sure there is enough historical weight to put in the article. Did Lincoln sign any laws that protected any hunted animals? I am not sure he did. Cmguy777 (talk) 04:29, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Cmguy777 note that Abe never went hunting or fishing; did he ever have a pet of his own (as opposed to one for the kids)??--no one seems to mention it, although publishers joke that they are eager for that book on Lincoln's dog. Rjensen (talk) 07:45, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Myths
This article could definitely use a section on the myths and legends associated with Lincoln, and then it should say whether or not it is true or false. This would be both interesting and informative, and it would clear up things for people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.102.168.15 (talk) 23:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Product of his time?
Does anybody have access to a reference by a historian making note of Lincoln possibly being a product of his time regarding his ethnic slurs, etcetera? I think it would be worth putting and could round out that section (I can't remember the name; something about historical reputation). I was actually surprised it wasn't there. I'm not trying to excuse his actions, but it's almost a no-brainer to me. Has anybody heard of Ben Franklin? Just a thought. Lighthead07:49, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I just want to add that my previous comment is sort of misleading. I mean to ask if anyone has any miscellaneous reference; not one in particular. It almost sounds as if I'm asking about one that I remember seeing. Not so. Thanks. Lighthead08:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Possible Addition
I saw that the Duel article had a mention of Lincoln with a 'citation needed' tag at the end, so I found that the James Shields article has a good bit about it, something that I believe should be copied into this article. That is allowed under WP:CWW, as long as the editor mentions the article copied from and the date copied. Here is the text, and it has two references within:
Shields nearly fought a duel with Abraham Lincoln on September 22, 1842. Lincoln had published an inflammatory letter in a Springfield, Illinois, newspaper, the Sagamon Journal that poked fun at Shields, the State Auditor. Lincoln's future wife and her close friend, continued writing letters about Shields without his knowledge. Taking offense to the articles, Shields demanded "satisfaction" and the incident escalated to the two parties meeting on a Missouri island called Sunflower Island, near Alton, Illinois to participate in a duel. Lincoln took responsibility for the articles and accepted the duel. Just prior to engaging in combat, Lincoln made it a point to demonstrate his advantage by easily cutting a branch just above Shields' head, the two participants' seconds intervened and were able to convince the two men to cease hostilities, on the grounds that Lincoln had not written the letters.
Suggestion: reducing clutter through list-defined references
Regarding . Per Misplaced Pages:Citing_sources#Avoiding_clutter: "Inline references can significantly bloat the wikitext in the edit window and can be extremely difficult and confusing. There are three methods that avoid clutter in the edit window: list-defined references, short citations or parenthetical references. (As with other citation formats, articles should not undergo large scale conversion between formats without consensus to do so.)" I'd like to introduce list-defined references to this article, to make it more friendly to edit (less code -> closer to WYSWIWYG). Per the request of editor who reverted me and WP:CITEVAR recommendation I'd like to ask editors interested in this article for input which style they prefer, and strongly suggest following the "avoid clutter" recommendation. While LDR add a little code to the total size of the article, it amounts to only 10% or so of the total article size, so load time should not be significantly affected (nobody should notice a 10% change; also, section edit load time will shorter anyway...), and editing experience should become much friendlier. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here05:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I completely agree. I did that with the BrickFair and Lego The Lord of the Rings articles and it works well. It also really helps when you want to find the refs again to edit them as you know right where to look, instead of having to search through a sea of text.--ɱ 06:18, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
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